YTSEJAM Digest 3977
Today's Topics:
1) Re: New Live stuff...
by Josh.Brand@stpaul.com
2) RE: Sava or QR(Slayer!)
by "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
3) Beer for Dolphins
by krackley@weidmuller.com
4) Miscellaneous comments....
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
5) Re: Miscellaneous comments....
by Alex Fraser <afraser@carleton.edu>
6) Savatage
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
7) RE: Other Prog Bands
by Josh Becker <josh@joshbecker.com>
8) any jammers in japan? ndtc
by Mathew and Melissa <palze@powerweb.net>
9) Complaining about Complainging about Complaining
by someone@enteract.com
10) Re: The Beard & complaining about complaining about complaining about c...
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
11) the welcome committee
by ReikiFox@aol.com
12) FAQ, Discog, Bio, John Wesley
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
13) ++change--/DTC (Dream Theater Convertee)/Time/Timing
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
14) Re: the welcome committee
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
15) Re: the welcome committee
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:46:11 -0500
From: Josh.Brand@stpaul.com
To: Liquid Ytse Experiment <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: New Live stuff...
Message-ID: <8625661F.00447DF8.00@astplh99.stpaul.com>
"Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl> jotted down:
>Hi everbody,
>
>in the last days a lot have been said about bootlegs, and one issue I
>didn't read anywhere. In the future Rush and probably DT will bring
>out a live album. For example Rush will (rumours say) bring a live CD
>with (excerpts from) the Counterparts and Test for echo tour. For
>people with bootlegs, nothing new will be on these discs.Since with
>almost perfect bootlegs like Critical Mass and Virtual Songs, you
>already have everything that will be on the live album and a lot
>more. The question is wheter you'll buy the new album?
(Sound of Josh clearing his throat a la #2 in Austin Powers...)
Well, I for one will be running, not walking to the store to pick up
any new releases from Rush or DT when they come out. When FII came out, my
friend and I had to wait for the guy to pull it out of the shipping crate
for us. This will be no different.
As for any boots anyone may have, well who wouldn't want a _real_ live
recording of the shows? I have Critical Mass, and it sounds fabulous, but I
want a real, edited, nicely mixed show. As for Virtual Songs, I think
you're being a little generous calling it almost perfect as a bootleg. It
may be complete material-wise, but sound-wise it's not exactly a
soundboard. Still, it's the best we have so far. And, for me, that's what
boots represent: the best we have so far to listen to our fav bands live
until they get with the program and hook us up with some professionaly
produced live stuff. Anyway, I do agree with the part about buying a band's
"label" releases in addition to boots. I own all of Rush's and DT's stuff
(yes, I _finally_ found WDADU) and I feel slightly less horrible about
owning bootlegged stuff. For me, it's all about getting as much music from
the band as I can.
As for the NDTC complainers, well I don't always really care when
someone goes off on a tangent about their keyboard setup, but it's
interesting to lots of other people, so I page down and look for something
more my style. It's a potpourri of information here on the 'jam, just enjoy
what's relevant to you and ignore the rest. That's my advice.
Well, having rambled, I have to get back to work. All of you euro
'jammers, prepare to see those Scottish hooligans get their arses whooped
by Brasil today! Vive la coupe du monde! Oh yeah, and go Red Wings...
Odelay,
Josh
--In the discman: Falling Into Infinity--
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:46:26 -0700
From: "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Sava or QR(Slayer!)
Message-ID: <C5B7060FE2DCD011A8730060B01A6244322D72@RTP_EXCH>
*** WARNING THIS LETTER CONTAINS AN OPINION!!! ***
Earendil Asmodel <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no> wrote:
>Dont get me wrong Dave,in my opinion Geoff Tate is the BEST singer
>(yeah,better than
>Dio,Dickinson,LaBrie,Gillan,Ozzy etcetctec) and i have fallen for his
>voice a long
>time ago.
Actually about 5 years ago I would have completely agreed with this
statement but after the last QR album I realize that Tate is REALLY
having some voice problems. I've been a Ryche fan since only the ep
was out (gawd, that was a LONG ass time ago) and nearly creamed
myself when the warning was released. His used more opera on the
warning than just about any other album, holding/rolling notes high
enough to make my testicles crawl up. Rage for Order was their attempt
at cheesing out in the late 80's. Don't get me wrong there a quite a few
GREAT songs off of that album but being that album was sandwiched
inbetween The Warning and Mindcrime, well it tends to pale alot.
Promised Land came out and the vocals dropped another notch for Tate
then Hear in the Now Frontier and after hearing that lame ass album I
realized that, like Metallica (ACK THE M WORD!), Queensryche had
just flushed down the shitter. I don't think I've ever heard Tate's voice
sound that bad in concert yet alone on a studio album.
As for the others...Dio is Dio awesome voice then, awesome voice now
he has his own unique style and nobody I have ever heard sounds like him.
Dickenson...see Dio's comment, though Bruce was at his prime in his early
maiden years.
LaBrie, there's a topic...LaBrie's vocals are fucking astounding. I just
hope
when DT has been around as long as QR has that LaBrie's voice doesn't
change (Aka he takes real good care of it). I'd seriously have to give
LaBrie
the "best vocalist of today" award. From the grating screams to the gentle
whispers I'd be real hard pressed to find someone better. (Well I live in
Raleigh,
NC...maybe I can go up to the mountains and find some backwoods hick living
in a rusted out trailer that has an outhouse out back that could
sing...kinda like
the Deliverance freak but instead of a banjo...*grin*)
Jim
"What reward is a banquet of red wine and bread,
when you hunger for life but on death you are fed?"
- M. Walkyer - The Best of Enemies (Wulf's Tale)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:57:47 -0400
From: krackley@weidmuller.com
Subject: Beer for Dolphins
Message-ID: <199806101257.IAA00071@mail.weidmuller.com>
> Andrew Embler wrote:
> Mike Keneally and Beer For Dolphins: Sluggo
Isn't he the guy who played guitar and keyboards with Steve Vai on the G3
CD/video? Just thought that name rang a bell.
Kevin Rackley
http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/Amythyst
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 08:01:21 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Miscellaneous comments....
Message-ID: <357e83a147b4003@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Yes, there is something music-related in this post eventually...
Finals are over.
The Queen is dead. Long live the Queen.
I got Billy William's signature at the Cubs game last night. If any of you
are big baseball fans, you'll know why that's cool. And I figure I might as
well mention it, because hey, it's no less DT-related than "This list
sucks," and it's actually a positive comment, which we could use more of
around here. <----- Your 'HYPOCRITE'-o-meter should be off the dial at this
point. :)
Now, a little musical content. If anyone is going to be at the Page/Plant
show in Minneapolis on Friday, drop me a line.
Further musical content. If anyone is going to be at Ozzfest at Somerset
July 18th, drop me a line.
Last bit of musical content. DT like, rox nutz 'n shit.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:31:45 +0000
From: Alex Fraser <afraser@carleton.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous comments....
Message-ID: <01IY2CN0PR4U91VT79@carleton.edu>
> I got Billy William's signature at the Cubs game last night. If any of you
> are big baseball fans, you'll know why that's cool. And I figure I might as
"The Cubs game"? So you were at the Hubert H. Humphrey
Wrigley-o-dome, then? Hey, how about that Brad Radke, by the way? I
guess he showed that Kerry Wood kid that you need more than just
pimples to make it in the bigs, eh? Heh heh heh...
Ok, I'll bite. Who's Billy Williams?
Gee, I always thought I *was* a big baseball fan...
All right, enough Coleridge bashing...
-id
P.S. DTC? What's that?
P.P.S. Gosh, ya know that Tempus guy is swell too.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:45:25 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Savatage
Message-ID: <357E8DF5.501D4375@home.com>
>dungeons i dont have,nor handful of rain,but they arent too good..at >least
>so i've heard from the most dedicated Sava-fans.
I disagree. Handful of Rain is very good!
(I don't know about Dungeons).
- Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:08:17 -0500
From: Josh Becker <josh@joshbecker.com>
To: "'YJ Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Other Prog Bands
Message-ID: <01BD944F.4F29AB20.josh@joshbecker.com>
Here's one to check out:
"Beyond the Mirror"
http://www.beyondthemirror.com
A while back on the jam it was speculated that Joe Satriani might join
Queensryche. Well, if that were to happen, it might sound a lot like Beyond
the Mirror.
Josh Becker
josh@joshbecker.com
http://www.joshbecker.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:20:54 -0500
From: Mathew and Melissa <palze@powerweb.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: any jammers in japan? ndtc
Message-ID: <19980610142053133.AAA172@palze.tcccom.net>
hey all,
i need to get in contact with some jammers from japan. so if you live in
japan, and feel like helping me out, email me. thanks!
matt
************
I've seen some people get upset when they see garbage being thrown from a
car, but my wife is the only one i know that tries to call Captain Planet.
************
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:37:33 +0000
From: someone@enteract.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Complaining about Complainging about Complaining
Message-ID: <199806101431.JAA14380@oats.farm.niu.edu>
You know, with all of this complaining about someone who is
complaining, I just thought I'd complain that we haven't had a digest
with 100% complaint about a complaint about a complaint. I'd like to
see that changed. Anyone interested?
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:36:57 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Beard & complaining about complaining about complaining about c...
Message-ID: <357EA819.EF94D0E1@pacbell.net>
Thomas Forcier wrote:
>
> Heheh...
> They called like an hour after I posted. I went and picked it up, and fell
> asleep listening to it.
Ummm... is that like a good thing? (I hope!)
> Now waiting to buy them will have
> paid off: I'll be helping the band at their new label!
It's not exactly their new label... SB is still on Radiant, Metal
Blade is just their distributor.
> Thanks Lisa Marie! Or is it Jessie?
Either will do :o)
someone@enteract.com wrote:
>
> You know, with all of this complaining about someone who is
> complaining, I just thought I'd complain that we haven't had a digest
> with 100% complaint about a complaint about a complaint.
Holy shit! We're definitely not trying hard enough! Wake up people!
Lisa Marie "Jessie"
ytsegirl@pacbell.net
http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:43:53 EDT
From: ReikiFox@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the welcome committee
Message-ID: <97cb7c67.357ea9ba@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/10/98 7:20:18 AM EST, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> Ah, newbies. Virgin blood for the likes of Eckie, Bafu, and PuhTaySek.
> Here, I'll make it simple for you:
i don't know if this particular post is related to my comment, but i see from
the rest of the jam that some people are a little flustered here. let me
clarify my position, maybe this time it will make more sense. the part that
truly stinks is that it seems that the FEMALE jammers are a little more snide
than the rest, which is saddening. There are so few women that listen to or
produce prog rock that i don't see why they feel the need to jump up my snatch
the first post i write.
I am not a *newbie* - i was a part of list about a year and a half ago, then
unsubbed because i moved. figured i'd re-subscribel about 2 months later last
november or so, then unsubbed again because the flames and fighting weren't my
thing.
then, to be honest, i resubbed this time in hopes of finding a set of the tour
dates for the DT-ELP-Deep Purple thing, which i STILL can't seem to find : (
so, jammers, **APOLOGIES** if i bruised your sense of equilibrium. If i
wanted to have my head up their collective asses, I would email them directly
and ask if i could. I meant simply to shake things up a bit, see how many
jammers don't ever post, or see if you'd even pay attention - my postings a
year ago went completely unnoticed - which i see you did.Not only that, but i
was treated pretty harshly - and for a group of people supposedly on a list in
support of things they love, that was rather shocking.
maybe i'll keep my mouth shut.
or not.
-nicole
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:40:06 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FAQ, Discog, Bio, John Wesley
Message-ID: <01BD9499.37E1E460@156.rotterdam1.gironet.nl>
Jon Kretschmer wrote :
> But as far as I can tell, the faq on UACM still says that
> D-man is the moderator...That needs to be changed.
That'll be fixed as soon as Pat's new version goes public.
I can't edit the FAQ, not even to update the name of it's
maintainer, because I only mirror it. Simple as that.
That's also why the current DT discography on UACM is so
damned outdated. But Jeremy Hyde is gonna change that. :)
If you have any (official!) items that aren't mentioned
in the most recent DT discography, please tell Jeremy
about them (and try to be as detailed as possible).
The biography is a different story... It's based on the
official one, but I try to keep it up to date... You know,
the equipment they use, where they live, the kids and pets
they have, etc... :)
Oh yeah, Explorers Club's "Age Of Impact" got pushed back to
July 27th... So now we've got ChromaKey in June, Explorer's
Club in July and Platypus in August (17th for Europe). :)
_____
Alan Estrada wrote :
> I read a review about an album by John Wesley, the review says it is
> considered the male tori amos, and that he has opned for progressive
> bands, has anyone heard about him or heard his music?
John Wesley (NOT John Wesley Harding) is (or used to be) Steve
Rothery's guitar tech and opened for Marillion on a few tours.
He's one of those artists people either seem to love or hate,
and happen to be one of the former. I wouldn't go as far as to
call him the male Tori Amos, though... For starters, Wes plays
guitar, not piano. The only resemblance *I* can think of, is
that both their lyrics tend to be rather personal.
> please let me know if this is good.
Depends on your taste in music, but I think he's pretty good.
Also check out John Wesley's official website "WesWeb" at
http://web3.ee.net/vermont/wes/wes.htm (think they have some
samples there).
Mark Bredius
____________________________________________________________
Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
* http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 06-09-1998
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:16:47 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ++change--/DTC (Dream Theater Convertee)/Time/Timing
Message-ID: <357EB16F.2781@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> Subject: RE: Changes to the Ytsejam
plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose
> I very much enjoy getting info about other prog bands similar to dt.
> And I don't plan on unsubing from this list either but there is stuff
> posted here which is absolutely unrelated to anything most of us would
> consider interesting.
Learn to enjoy the POWER of the Page Down key. Many consider it an
interesting technological advance that has recently (about 30 years
now?) become available as an upgrade option to just about any computer
on the market.
Come on, man! Mike himself has recently begun posting on the list. And
Derek too, right? Isn't that strong enough DTC for you? I think through
all of this, the jam has done ok for itself, unmoderated. As several
have noted, it's up to you to make it better.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thought you all might get a kick out of this (especially you Van Halen
fans :) It was a hard fought battle, and now the next battle is to get
back all my DT discs that I let him borrow and have him pull out the
greenbacks at Tower...
> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:13:52 -0400
> From: "Ed" <xxx.xxx>
> Subject: I am a definate converted fan of Dream Theater
> It has taken about six months. But I was listening to Van Halen live the
> other day, and realizing how sloppy the drum work is. Of course Eddie's just
> fucking phenomenal. But I never could really appreciate how good EV is nor
> how how sloppy, even though good, other muscisians are, until becoming such
> a inadvertant study of DT.
And he told two hair metal friends, who told two hair metal friends, who
told hair metal two friends... :P
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Question: Has there been any research done on altering relative time?
I'd like to see Dream Theater play for more than one hour, yet have it
appear to the concert promoters that only one hour has elapsed. If MP/JP
are able to approach the speed of light and are moving in opposite
direction, will there be a perceived slowing down of time? Perhaps if we
feed the promoters a daily dose of psychotropics, time simply won't
matter to them, much less anything else :)
E-mailing of any pointers to reference material on this subject is fine
as I know how much even the mere mentioning of drugs on such a pure
list, simply isn't tolerated.
/sarcasm
Check out a book called "From Chocolate to Morphine" if you think you're
so pure. The book has been out for a while now, so if you have trouble
finding it, I'm sure you could pick up a bootleg of it or something :)
Tom wrote:
> Pull your heads out of your asses,
> and actually READ the Jam. Maybe you'll learn something. Or maybe you
> just might laugh your ass of every now and again.
There's a mental image. Remember to pull your head out of your ass
first, or serious cranial damage could occur :)
Lata,
Jon
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*) ) __(_(___ | |__ | Sleep? |_ \ | | \ \ | What's |_/ / | that? |__/ |________|
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:31:43 -0700 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: the welcome committee Message-ID: <357EB4EF.F9600B12@pacbell.net>
ReikiFox@aol.com wrote: > > let me clarify my position, maybe this time it will make more sense. > the part that truly stinks is that it seems that the FEMALE jammers > are a little more snide than the rest, which is saddening.
Oooh! I think this is my cue. So, because I'm FEMALE, I can't voice my opinion? Should I have baked some cookies instead?
Hey, I call em how I see em... or maybe I'm just a bitch.
> There are so few women that listen to or > produce prog rock that i don't see why they feel the need to jump up my snatch > the first post i write.
Let's think about that for a second. The first post you write, has nothing to do with DT, yet you complain that 2/3 of the posts are not about DT... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Every post is bound to start a thread of some length... now had your first post actually been ABOUT DT then we might have a nice little DT thread going here... instead you just whined about the lack of DT content, and now we have a big ass thread going on about complaining. Now did that help your DT content issue?? No it didn't, did it?
Yes, I am a big contributor to this thread, but then I wasn't bitching about the content in the first place, so I couldn't care less. I don't mind when people go off topic, in fact I quite enjoy it... and if 2/3 of the posts are off topic the I'd have to guess that there are quite a few others that don't mind as well.
> ...i resubbed this time in hopes of finding a set of the tour > dates for the DT-ELP-Deep Purple thing, which i STILL can't seem to find : (
Under A Cyber Moon: http://www.prognosis.com/dream
It's the only DT information site that is kept up to date.
> so, jammers, **APOLOGIES** if i bruised your sense of equilibrium. If i > wanted to have my head up their collective asses, I would email them directly > and ask if i could. I meant simply to shake things up a bit, see how many > jammers don't ever post, or see if you'd even pay attention - my postings a > year ago went completely unnoticed - which i see you did.Not only that, but i > was treated pretty harshly - and for a group of people supposedly on a list in > support of things they love, that was rather shocking.
Welcome back, you'll get over the shock.
Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl _________________________________________ THOUGHTS - The Spock's Beard Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard/ _________________________________________ The #Ytse Mirror - #ytsejam news & gossip http:/www.dreamt.org/ytsemirror/
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:27:34 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: the welcome committee Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980610102734.00ae0660@mail.legato.com>
Lisa Marie z-snapped:
>"Oooh! I think this is my cue. So, because I'm FEMALE, I can't voice my opinion? Should I have baked some cookies instead? >Hey, I call em how I see em... or maybe I'm just a bitch."
Lisa...get back in the kitchen and make me a pie! And get barefoot while you are at it! You might be a bitch but I am THE bitch, ( and that's Ms.Bitch to you ;))
I second Lisa's emotion on the ratio or balance of DTC. If this were all DT all the time....how the heck would we find out about other bands, concerts, events, new cd releases, etc. This list is fine....if it ain't broke..don't try and fix it! You want moderated...go to another list. Wait? is that one even still around??????????
Nicole stated:
> There are so few women that listen to or > produce prog rock that i don't see why they feel the need to jump up my snatch > the first post i write.
okay time for me to remind the females on here the do's and don'ts of being a Lady Jammer!
DON'T talk about your naughty parts...who made you do that? SATAN?????
I happen to think we Lady Jammers are a rare and wonderful breed. We are so enlightened about our musical tastes.. Don't spoil it for the rest of us by whining. And if there were more females that were enlightened to Progressive or just plain AWESOME music....well that kinds cuts back on the supply of available prog loving guys!
>I meant simply to shake things up a bit, see how many > jammers don't ever post, or see if you'd even pay attention - my postings a > year ago went completely unnoticed -
oh so you started this on PURPOSE for ATTENTION????? How un-lady like!
okay I gotta scurry back to the shadows before I incur the wrath of Skadz.
Coldfire GalleryMistress@dreamt.org
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"Fly where your dreams go....." Crystalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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