YTSEJAM Digest 3963
Today's Topics:
1) Invitation to join prog-reviews@onelist.com
by greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se
2) ok, this is embarrassing. i'm stupid, but please.....
by Thrak75@aol.com
3) CD Review "Static Progress"
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
4) RE: Raging newbies
by "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3961
by Magnus.Lind@kunskapskretsen.se (Magnus Lind)
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3962
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
7) Review time again
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
8) Re: Bach & DT revised
by newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb)
9) Dreamworld
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
10) Progressive Celtic and other assorted stuff
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3962
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
12) Bass stuff
by "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
13) free boot cassette winners
by erodger@fore.com
14) Sebastian Bach live review
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 04:32:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: Invitation to join prog-reviews@onelist.com
Message-ID: <199806051132.EAA28652@odin.ax.com>
Hello,
I would like to invite you to join the prog-reviews mailing list.
The description of this mailing list is:
This is a mailing list where you get reviews of Progressive Rock, Symphonic
Rock, Progressive Metal, Art Rock, Hard Rock, Heavy Metal and other sub-genres
to the aforementioned genres.
You can join this list by going to the following web page:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/prog-reviews
If you do not wish to join this list, please ignore this message.
Thanks,
greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se
List Owner
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:47:51 EDT
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ok, this is embarrassing. i'm stupid, but please.....
Message-ID: <1cf05738.3577dae8@aol.com>
can someone tell me what's been going on with the chromakey release?
i've just been skimping thry the jams a lot lately, and i've failed to be more
observant of what's up. personal email will do.
and while we're at it...dream gear, koba-flavored.
keys- a steinway baby grand; k2500 rack version with a sampler, korg trinity
(76 keys, please); if the vk-7 really is the kicking little hammond emulator,
i'd like to know more; oberheim matrix 1000 (really cool analog sound module)
and in my wettest of dreams, i'd have me a fat little mellotron.
guitar- mortorro acoustic/electric 7 string guitar, the fabled boogie mark 3,
a souped-up hamer californian. whoo-ha!
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david y. kobayashi
new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
"throw off those chains of reason and your prison disappears." n. peart
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:34:33 -0400
From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: "'Bogie'" <bogie@MIT.EDU>
Subject: CD Review "Static Progress"
Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF0018BD5@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
New CD Review of Dream Theater "Static Progress" by Open All Night Records
(contact = provibe@club-internet.fr). DT in concert at the Bourges
Festival, France April 17, 1998 (actually well into April 18th by the time
DT took the stage). Two CDs for a total of about 130 minutes. The last
four songs were not from this show but from a DT concert in Japan in 1995.
Digital audience recording that is on par with DoE in terms of sound
quality. Minimal crowd noise and a very "alive" feel to the sound. The
only glitch was that the beginning of PMU (JP noodling around) probably
coincided with the swapping of tapes and thus a bit was lost and a
post-processing fade-in was required.
Open All Night Records is a relatively new supplier of "limited edition"
CDs. One has to be impressed with the quality of the packaging as well as
the sound quality. More importantly, one has to be very impressed on the
turn-around time for filling orders. The turn around time for me in Boston,
USA including mail service across the drink to France and back was less than
two weeks !! OAN sends an e-mail upon receipt of the funds and another
e-mail is sent upon the dispatch of the goods. The rest is up to our
friendly postal workers. If they are not busy cleaning their weapons,
service can be great.
I had heard "through very reliable sources" (also known as frequent flight
miles ;) that this was a really decent show !! DT played after Vanden Plas
and Angra had put on impressive performances and DT had to show that they
were indeed up to the task. The only bad news is that James was still in
the recovery process from the laryngitis that caused the cancellation of the
Nottingham show five days earlier. As such, the setlist was slightly
shorter, the song selection favored songs with more instrumental passages
and James had to take the lower registers to keep the show going. In fact,
both he and JP were feeling particularly crappy and it shows their
professionalism and dedication to the fans that they were able to pull it
together and play the show. (Note that you could never tell that JP was
feeling under the weather.)
Some highlights include: some great JP work, especially on Lie and TtT. The
Freebird ending (and MP vocals !!) on TtT. Scarred which is always fucking
brilliant. And, ToT really sounds great live although rather faithful to
the studio arrangement. I especially liked the mix on that one including
the scat guitar when DS solos (was it a mistake to pump JP this heavily in
the mix ?? I hope not). On the downside, the keys were a little reticent
in the mix throughout most of the show which was not the fault of OAN
Records but because for my taste they dont always seem to give DS his proper
share of the mix.
I would have preferred that the CDs be topped-off with different material
than Japan 1995 such as teaser excerpts from the Vanden Plas or Angra
performance on the same night or some of Carolina IV from the next night,
but some of this stuff may find itself being released in the future. And
even though it is not technically DT, I would have preferred to have the CD
start with Clockwork instead of right off with ACOS. Hey, it would be great
to have a boot that starts with Rooster to get the real feeling of the
beginning of a concert (BOGIE PAY ATTENTION !!) There's 140+ minutes on two
CDs and DT shows are 120 nowadays. But this is nit-picking. This CD is
Highly Recommended.
Mark Metzger
President and co-founder of Hogarth-Haters, Int'l
mmetzger@comversens.com
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:12:58 -0400
From: "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Raging newbies
Message-ID: <C5B7060FE2DCD011A8730060B01A6244322D64@RTP_EXCH>
You know what really cracks me up? A newbie posts
something and suddenly gets 50 people ripping him/her
a new ass. EVERYONE here was a newbie and sure
most of us read the FAQ first. But sometimes they get
turned on to this list by a friend and only save the original
"You are on..." message so they know how to get off, not
realizing that there is pertinant info in it. So cut them some
slack and maybe mail them a nice letter offline. Today's
newbie might be one of the better people on the list
tomorrow.
Jim
"What reward is a banquet of red wine and bread,
when you hunger for life but on death you are fed?"
- M. Walkyer - The Best of Enemies (Wulf's Tale)
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:52:45 +0100
From: Magnus.Lind@kunskapskretsen.se (Magnus Lind)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3961
Message-ID: <msg595.thr-7b532720.a2c2a@kunskapskretsen.se>
Hi my friends!
I just wanted to inform you that the new Treasure Land homepage is up
again.We have a new cd out namned "Gateway" and we have a new singer
namned Jakob (Jakyl&Hyde,Talisman).We have soundsamles to listen to
from both "Questions" and "Gateway".For you who don=B4t know us we are
palying progmetal with influences from calssical and latin music.
http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-48707
//Mangan
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 23:34:56 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3962
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980605233456.006bc9d8@powerup.com.au>
Jon Kretschmer suggested:
>>From: "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it>
>>Has anyone of you noticed the connection between Awake's songs titles and
>>the cover of that album ?
>
><sigh> Read the faqing fuck.
Ah, that well may be a good idea, but a tad misleading. Why? Because it's
not in the FAQ.
It annoys me somewhat when a newbie posts a common question and people get
pissed off and tell them to read the FAQ, when the answer isn't even in there.
I just had a good look through the FAQ to make sure the answer to Marco's
question was not there and I didn't see it (I'm looking at it on D-Man's
site). If I did overlook it, I sincerely apologise for any wrongdoings I
have committed and any inconvenience I may have caused you and your family.
I thank you for your time.
Nigel
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:28:43 +0100
From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Review time again
Message-ID: <01BD909F.029E4AD0@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
things have finally settled down here at work for a day or two, and I've got a
few minutes to quickly bash off a couple of reviews of some fairly new stuff.
ELEND - The Umbersun
The painter Hieronymous Bosch portrayed hell visually - Elend have put hell
to music. This is the third part of Elend's trilogy "Officium Tenebrarum"
and is a more than fitting finish. The trilogy is based on the set of three
masses held on the Wednesday, Thursday and Friday before Easter. This
last part is symphonic, huge, epic, angelic and diabolical. Fury and turmoil
dominate, anger and despair prevail. The lead vocals, which range from
whispered narrative to gregorian chant and hellish screams are backed by
14 (!) sopranos, 9 altos and 5 basses. Lyrics are in English, French, Latin
and Hebrew, and texts include images taken from the Revelation according
to John. This album is just unbelievably dark but very beautiful and full of
feeling. No guitars, no drums, no metal, but extremely rewarding. Do not
listen to this when you are down! 10/10
THEATRE OF TRAGEDY - Aegis
Before this album came out, Theatre Of Tragedy was rightly regarded as
one of the top gothic bands. Now, Aegis possibly has established these
Norwegians as THE gothic band. The band has undergone major line-up
changes since their last album, but has emerged the better. Gone too are
the aggressive, growling male vocals, but the contrast of Raymond's clean
vocals and Liv's glass-clear angelic vocals is still there. Everything about
this album seems riper, more mature and just right. The few instrumental
solos fit perfectly, the use of sequencers is not overwhelming, the
occasional touches of heaviness remind you of the dark metal origins of
the band without being simple repetitions of what's been played before. This
is the modern Theatre Of Tragedy, but it is still very clearly Theatre Of
Tragedy. The changes may piss off some of the die-hard gothic fans, but
I'm sure this album will also win many new fans, and I, for one, am already
looking forward to hearing the new stuff live. Another 10/10
EVEREVE - Stormbirds
More gothic music, but this time from Germany. The last album by these
guys, 'Seasons', reminded me of Amorphis. Last year they toured with
Amorphis. And now they still sound like Amorphis, without being a clone.
Small doses of black metal influences gives the music the typical Evereve
sound and feel. The most obvious thing about this band is the wide range of
vocal styles (and, like Elend, the multilingual lyrics - English, French and
German). I can sum this one up simply. If you like Amorphis, you will like
this as well. 9/10
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Summoning - Nightshade Forests (hide the corpse paint!)
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:51:22 -0500
From: newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bach & DT revised
Message-ID: <19980605145653574.AAA222@newcombr.netdot.com>
Before I get flamed I need to fix something I said in my last post.
What I meant to say was Bach might not be as well loved today or remembered
had he given in to what was popular at the time.
Sorry for the confusion
Thorin
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:28:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dreamworld
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980605112659.11869A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
I was reading the Aquarian last night, and they mentioned a
band called "Dreamworld", a prog-rock band with Marillion and
DT as two of their influences. I'm assuming they're pretty much
local (NYC Netro area), and I was wondering if anyone heard of
them. I may pick up their CD.
Oh, and I saw an ad for Vintage Vinyl, with one of the featured
albums in the ad being Spock Bear's Kindness of Strangers...
pretty neat-o.
-Al
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u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s
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balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:57:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
To: We have assumed control <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Progressive Celtic and other assorted stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.980605105026.113825A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
Damn Geocities mail isn't working today. :P Someone wrote the other day:
> but there *is* at least one band out there that plays progressive
> Celtic music.
Who's that? I'd really like to know, because I really like Celtic music
(or what little I've heard of it), and if progressive Celtic music
exists, I really have to hear it.
Then Matt Smith and Kevin Rackley wrote:
>> Album Currently Playing: Iron Maiden--Somewhere In Time
> "The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner" - awesome song
Did you guys know that the Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is
actually a short story by Alan Sillitoe, a writer from the British
North? Oops. Thought it was relevant. My bad. ;-)
Now about this eMpTyV thing, I thought today was the "tentative day" to
request a DT song.. but I STILL don't have their e-mail address, song to
request, or appropriate time to request it. Who started this thread so I
can make him/her responsible??? ;-)
-Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Kirby on irc.dreamt.org
Technical Writer and Dream Theater Nut!
ytsekirby@geocities.com -- http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:06:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3962
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980605085748.15770A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Nigel Bridgeman wrote:
>
>
>Jon Kretschmer suggested:
>
>>>From: "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it>
>>>Has anyone of you noticed the connection between Awake's songs titles and
>>>the cover of that album ?
>>
>><sigh> Read the faqing fuck.
>
>Ah, that well may be a good idea, but a tad misleading. Why? Because it's
>not in the FAQ.
Not in *your* FAQ, or any FAQ a newbie could read. However, in our
imaginary FAQs, everything's there. For example, our imaginary FAQs have
been updated since the release of FII. ^_^
I guess I shouldn't have been so sarcastic when I answered the newbie
(who's wonderful name I forget because I'm lame). For that, I apologize.
>
>It annoys me somewhat when a newbie posts a common question and people get
>pissed off and tell them to read the FAQ, when the answer isn't even in there.
>
You don't actually expect us to read the same old FAQ every time a newbie
asks a question that everybody seems to think is in there because the
question is so FAQ-worthy, it's sick...? ^_^
This does bring up an issue, which either Graham or Rocky brought up
before. There *hasn't* been a FAQ update since before the change in
management. Unfortunately, the number of changes will continue to grow...
So, when's the FAQ gonna be updated?
--Matt
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:10:54 -0800
From: "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bass stuff
Message-ID: <C7EA264064ACD011BE4500805FC1DCA1018F4006@SATURN.nt.data-io.com>
Ryan,
If you're looking to get into bass, then it sounds like you're heading
in the right direction.
When I first picked up a bass a long time ago in a galaxy far far away,
it was this cheesy thing with not nearly enough frets, four strings, and
a neck that was bent way outta shape. Knowing what I know now, I would
have never put my hands on an instrument like that because it did not
serve the purposes of where I wanted to go. But thinking back, I had no
clue what I wanted at the time so the bass was perfect for me. The neck
was slightly bowed so I REALLY had to slam my fingers on the notes to
actually get a sound. That served me so well later on because the first
day I set my fingers on what would subsequently become my 5 string, it
was like a dream come reality. My fingers were so toned to pressing
hard and potently that I was able to really hammer out some good notes
on a good bass.
For the record, I'm a former piano (well, sorta former) player who was
converted to bass while once listening to Primus ... the rest is
history.
So you want to learn where to put your fingers. You're probably well
versed in piano so you're relatively familiar with the sound. That will
be you greatest asset in this setup. Make sure it's a fretted bass.
Start out by playing along to music you're familiar with. I learned to
play bass fundamentals playing along to Metallica, INXS, and a few other
things. Some of it might be boring at first, but you're going to have
an easy sound to duplicate. It will get you and your fingers familiar
with a new instrument. When you can start playing through some of your
easier songs with relative ease, start moving on to other things. I
guess it depends on your influences and such. Granted, Metallica wasn't
exactly the thing I wanted to play forever, but it was a good place to
start. I moved on to some Iron Maiden, older Metallica (we're talkin
Cliff Burton now baybee (: ) and then finally Primus. Tabs are your
friend. You can read music. That will help. Learn the tabs, because
you're likely to find more tab music than actual sheet music for the
most part. The best books are the ones that have tabs AND music.
Metallica's "Kill 'em All" book for bass has both. Your first homework
assignment from me to you is to learn to play Anasthesia, the bass solo.
(: That song opened my world for bass playing.
There's a whole lot of history in there, but to paraphrase, don't worry
about quality for right now. Your first bass is going to get mangled
most likely. Don't worry about the quality of the pick ups, you can
always replace those. Your meat has to be raw before it can get cooked.
So start raw. Bad pickups, bent neck, cheezy amp. Seriously work with
that for a while, and when/if you decide that you're going to continue
in the direction of the bass guitar, start looking into some real
equipment. It took me 7 years before I finally owned a 6 string bass,
and I'm so much in heaven with it .... but without that background in
the early days, I wouldn't even remotely be able to appreciate what I've
got for my tools.
Hope that helps you out some. I'm sure that others would differ with
that mentality because we're all prog rockers and nuts about having the
best equipment possible (or something to that effect) but take from each
of us what you wish and then form your own game plan.
-= norg =-
all hail brak.
Ryan Spaketh:
> I play piano/keyboards but I'm interested in buying a used bass
> guitar
> (and amp) over the next month or so. I'm looking to spend a very
> modest
> amount... maybe $300 or so. It looks like I'm able to get a decent
> used
> bass for about $200, and an amp for $100. But I don't really know
> much
> about what I'm looking for. What should I be looking for there? If
> I'm
> just a beginner, should I be very concerned with the manufacturer's
> rep?
> What else should I look for? If the strings or pick-ups are poor,
> it's
> fairly easy to replace them, right?
>
> Also, will I be able to learn how to play on my own? I play piano, I
> can
> read music, and I know a bit about theory. But fingering on a guitar
> is a
> LOT different than on a piano, and I'm not sure I could ever figure
> out
> where to put my fingers (being in the right spot to play the NEXT
> note)!
> Do you think I could get by with an instructional book or two, until I
> develop a feel for it; or will I need more than that? Will tab help
> learning the basics of fingering?
>
> I'm sure you all know far more about this than I do. Thanks for your
> help.
>
> Ryan
>
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:14:59 -0400
From: erodger@fore.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: free boot cassette winners
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980605121459.00f1feb0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
Cassette winners:
Summerfest Milwaukee 6/29/93 <adika@mars.arts.u-szeged.hu>
Precious Things (beta) <WarrenDW@aol.com>
Instrumental II <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Sundance Instrumental Show <syrinx@dreamt.org>
Denver Awake <kevin2112@mailexcite.com>
Uncovered 1/31/95 <palze@powerweb.net>
Winners have been notified via private email with instructions for claiming
your tape.
More to come later.
KAI
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:21:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sebastian Bach live review
Message-ID: <19980605162118.9242.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
Well, with all the talk about Sebastian Bach recently, I thought some
of you might be interested in his latest show. He's touring right now,
and will be in California the next few days. Check your local
listings for info.
The show itself: I think SB is trying single-handedly to bring back
glam metal. The show is fairly entertaining, with lots of glitter
suits, feathers, and angel wings... If you like this style of music,
it's worth it for the showmanship (and bizarreness) itself. Of course
he does get around to playing the Skid Row favorites, also some Kiss
and Black Sabbath covers. (One of the guitar players thinks that he's
Ace Frehly. The other guitar player is just plain wacked: Angel wings,
smeared red lipstick). Derick Sherinian would look pretty normal
playing with this band.
The drummer does a pretty good solo, and it looks like he's shooting
to be the next Portnoy! (With a much smaller kit though.)
Oh yeah, the other bonus for all of you male jammers who complain
about the male-female ratio: more women at this show than at the
Lilith Fair. But they aren't butch, and they do shave. ;o)
My guess is that the LA shows will have half the adult film industry
attending (the female half, of course)...
my .02, BH
(Thanks to Ryan W, who got us on the guest list! Sorry LM, you missed
out on quite a show. :op)
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