YTSEJAM Digest 3983
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Ryche
by Adam Pye <alpineone@mindspring.com>
2) re: Queensryche, prog or not prog
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
3) Houston Ytsenight on Hold
by "Colonel Mustard" <cmustard@vonl.com>
4) Chromakey info
by Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
5) Re: Who needs tab?
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
6) Speaking of Mad Shredders
by Awake77@aol.com
7) Suggestions for CD's
by "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it>
8) DT back to Denver.
by Eric S P Barker <EBarker@NBCI.Net>
9) Circle of firths and spruces. (No tit content)
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) Help
by AL <al@isd.net>
11) unsubscribing
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
12) Live album / Is the rest of DT jealous of MP?
by "Ryan Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
13) RE: New live CD and possible video!
by MTeiper@aol.com
14) Re: Firth of Fifth
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
15) Re: firth of fifth
by Thrak75@aol.com
16) Bees, bees the magical fruit...
by "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
17) FedEx Two Year Service
by Adam Pye <alpineone@mindspring.com>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:36:42 -0400
From: Adam Pye <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ryche
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980612113642.00804550@mindspring.com>
>'Ryche has indeed changed over the last 15 years. They used to be my
>favorite band (I even have a tattoo of the tri-ryche on my arm!), but was
>extremely disappointed with "Promised Land" and "Hear..." IMHO, "Warning"
>and "Rage" were THE benchmark albums for progressive metal.
I still fail to see why people call Queensryche "progressive metal." QR
is one of my favorite bands, but I think they're just straight ahead
rock/metal. You've got every song having a strong chorus, standard song
form (verse, chorus, etc) and short songs (very few are >4 minutes). 90%+
of their songs are in 4/4. The only album I think could be called
progressive is Promised Land. There's some really cool stuff on there that
you don't hear on their other albums (PL and Disconnected are cool as hell
and Someone Else? is one of their top 3 songs ever IMO). Warning and Rage
were pretty good, but extrodinarily cheesy. I can't play some of those
songs anymore simply because I cringe at the lyrics. Great band, but I
really don't think progressive is the right label for them.
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Adam Pye (Alpine/Alpineone/Alpione)
alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html
^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:22:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Queensryche, prog or not prog
Message-ID: <19980612162207.8576.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com>
An old-time Ryche fan wrote:
> Also, what's all this dissing of "Rage?" I think it
> is their best album! The production is totally over
> the top, with big sounds and totally maddened vocals
> complete with heavy doses of effects.
Oh yeah! Talking about progressive! Rage was so far ahead of it's
time. Those of us who were into the Ryche when this came out were
blown away.
If you were to hear it for the first time today though, it wouldn't
seem as progressive, since the techniques used on that album are used
all over the place now. (Orchestral "hits", whisper to scream vocals,
heavy "computer style" effects/sounds, sound bites, etc.)
(Of course you have to give credit to the Beatles and Pink Floyd for
doing some major progressive pushes into this area a long time ago.)
But what is progressive anyway? What was progressive 30 years ago is
really regressive today...
I know the only true test...if it's in the progressive section at the
record store. No.. hold on, that just means that it's not a big seller
or not on a major label...
meandering, BH "mine goes to eleven"
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:29:10 -0500
From: "Colonel Mustard" <cmustard@vonl.com>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>, "Raytheon" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>,
Subject: Houston Ytsenight on Hold
Message-ID: <01bd961f$3a35d140$04ef5ed1@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
I decided that postponing the Houston Ytsenight until late July
or early August would be a good idea since most people seem to be out of
town at the current time. Sorry about messing up any plans or anything like
that for that evening, but very few people have contacted me so far for the
Ytsenight coming up in a week, so it will get knocked back a few weeks until
more people can come. I'll keep you updated -
- Mark
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:32:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chromakey info
Message-ID: <199806121732.NAA24158@node1.unix.Virginia.EDU>
here is a post i just saw on alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive.
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive,han.arts.music.progressive,it.arti.musica.rock.progressive,rec.music.progressive
Subject: New CHROMA KEY WEB SITE - Kevin Moore (ex-Dream Theater keyboardist)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:22:02 -0700
Organization: Fight Evil Records
Hello all,
I thought some of you might be interested in checking out the new Chroma Key
web site (it went up today):
It features the debut CK album "Dead Air for Radios", which will be released
through the site on June 22. (You can order online as well as by mail.)
There are plenty of mp3's and RealAudio files for your downloading, um,
pleasure.
Let us know if there's anything else you'd like to see on the site (mp3 of
demo stuff?), and we'll try to get it up there. (Those of you with web
sites,
please visit the "Link Us" page - we could use the help!)
Enjoy, and thanks for listening...
Best,
Kevin Moore
Fight Evil Records
http://www.chromakey.com
P.S. BTW, all orders recieved before June 22 will be autographed and shipped
on the release date. (Let
me know if you'd rather I didn't fuck up your cover).
-- Best, Kevin Moore Fight Evil Records http://www.chromakey.com************ scott andrews biophysics research sha3u@virginia.edu chemistry department ****************************************************************** --- http://www.people.virginia.edu/~sha3u --- info & CD reviews | Ibanez | soundclips of of major & underground | 7 string | my prog-thrash progressive/thrash metal | guitar info | metal band ATAXIA ****************************************************************** "metal isn't dead, it just smells funny." -Zappa paraphrase
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:49:03 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Who needs tab? Message-ID: <l03130301b1a719237201@[129.116.47.106]>
>Hey, if you want to REALLY challenge yourself, why rely on somebody else's >transcription of the song? You know the melody, right? Learn it from >memory! Pick any key - here's a hint, it starts on the 5th of the chord. >Yer welcome ;^)
Sorry, I'm not that talented, and I do have to spend a little time studying for my summer classes (but not much, 'cause they're pretty damn easy). I guess I'm just a slacker like the rest of my generation who wants to take the easy way out. Get outta my way! I'm gonna go buy a flannel, get my nose pierced, and listen to whatever MTV tells me to like (Backstreet Boyz, Here I Come!) I also gotta go start eating a lot of Fruity Pebbles, so I gotta go mooch money from my parents. Later, dudes!
Jim Shields Guitarist - Room 213 and Molotov Kittens =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Man I know I've gotta go It's the same thing every night But I don't think another drink's Gonna make me lose my mind
So I think about my next drink And it's you and me and the bottle make three tonight
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:07:35 EDT From: Awake77@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Speaking of Mad Shredders Message-ID: <af824760.35816e68@aol.com>
Hey Fellow Jamians! I noticed a post about about Flight of the Bumblebee in relation to shredders , and I had to ask, has anyone ever listened to Eliot Fisk play all of Pagini's 24 caprices? Thats nuts, man. If you want a guitar challenge, try playing THAT shiznit! (Ive got the sheet music to all of them if anybody's interested) Also, is DT going to be touring again after the DP/ELP shows? Like maybe some shows in Dec like theyve been doing? I missed them on the FII tour, and I kick myself. Id like to make it up this fall.
-Chris
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:46:54 +0200 From: "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Suggestions for CD's Message-ID: <01bd9632$7857e7c0$e51f46c1@mau.omnia.it>
Hello Jammers !
I'd like to ask you for a suggestion : I like Symphonic Progmetal and Symphonic Powermetal : My fav bands, DT apart, are Angra, Royal Hunt, Savatage... I would like to buy these CD's :
Stratovarius : Visions Symphony X : The divine wings of tragedy Spock's Beard : The last one ... :)
In what order should I buy them ? And then, what else would you suggest me to buy ? Thanx in advance... Bye Marco
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:01:57 -0600 From: Eric S P Barker <EBarker@NBCI.Net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT back to Denver. Message-ID: <01BD9602.48A1B4A0@OC4.JanAlan.Com>
I heard the announcement for the DT / Dp show for Denver. Date August 26th at Fiddlers Green Amphitheater. Tickets go on sale this Saturday ( tomorrow ) I think. If interested you better double check me to make sure that I heard it right.
This will be the first time that I will miss them in Colorado. 5 out of 6 ain't bad To bad they wont be in Europe during this month because that is where I will be.
Eric from Denver
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:44:35 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Circle of firths and spruces. (No tit content) Message-ID: <001e01bd963a$8d061ea0$48f086cc@chuckrei>
>Andy, keyboardists don't use tabs, they use music sheets (the one with the >treble and bass clefs, remember?). And as for the Firth of Fifth
Hell, I use tabs for keyboards. It's easy enough for me to learn a piece of music by learning the guitar part then switching over to the keys and improvising over the chord structure. If you transpose guitar tabs to harmonica and waddle around like a duck for 10 minutes while stirring a nice brown gravy on high for another 40 minutes, the inverse of the quadrilateral formulation will represent the keyboard structure within four or five nautical miles.
> Now the "fans" trade CDs and you have a more convenient form for their
Don't CD's all garner the same relative interest rate (plus or minus a point)? Besides, their not as profitable as a high risk mutual fund investment such as the IDS New Dimensions fund. Trade stocks, it's more fun. :)
>Q: Where Mike "the drummGod" Portnoy (AntiChrist!?) appears in his >full MAJESTY [except from behind his drum kit]?
*poof* (KorgX3 turns into a savage looking old woman with a huge leech glued to the side of her face)
Booooo!!! Boooooo!!! God of Filth and Pestilence and Cowardice! Booooo!!! Boooooo!!! Bow down to the Lord of Eternal Folly! Bow down to him! Bow down! Booo! Booooo!! Booooooooooo!!!
Actually if you watch channel 16 they usually have 24 hours of shows that do nothing but bitch about him. Sometimes they even have artists renderings of what he looks like and play Stairway to Heaven backwards and shit. It's kind of fun to watch in an R.L. Salvatore meets L.Ron Hubbard sort of way.
And those cloven hooves of his can play some meanass double bass. --KorgX3, aspiring gynecologist. *poof* (Shit, almost forgot to turn back)
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:51:50 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSELAND <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Help Message-ID: <358186D6.AFD71E32@isd.net>
Could someone be kind enough to send me jam # 3880? For some reason I never received it. Thanks. mailto:al@isd.net
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: unsubscribing Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980612125630.2143B-100000@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu>
I am taking off, but I forgot how to unsubscribe. Anybody want to help me out?
thanks
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:41:58 -0500 From: "Ryan Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Live album / Is the rest of DT jealous of MP? Message-ID: <00c901bd9644$92360c00$aa01430c@dwhit>
>From: "Geoff Stephens" <geoff@texas.net> >Subject: RE: New live CD and possible video! > >I wonder if there is any consideration of a double album!!
They give you an inch, and you take a mile, eh? =)
Would be cool, though. When I asked James at the May 22nd Lubbock show about the possibility of a live album, he only said that there was a "definite possibility". Looks like OFB has done some serious pushing for it lately then. They'd better hope it sounds better than "Stream of Consciousness". ;)
On another note... Everybody just loooves Mike Portnoy. Do you all think the other band members are at least a tad jealous of the attention he gets? When JP was signing autographs after one of the shows I went to this past May, I heard people ask him at least a couple times, "Where's Mike Portnoy?" That's got to be annoying.
Ryan Whitaker Scarred Records http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:11:12 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: New live CD and possible video! Message-ID: <6d098422.35819971@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-12 10:05:13 EDT, you write:
<< I wonder if there is any consideration of a double album!! >>
Goddamn, I sure as hell HOPE so! How on earth would they be able to take a full unplugged show and an extra long live show and whittle it down to 74+ minutes? Hell, I vote for a TRIPLE album! Aaaaaaahhhhhh........ :-)
By the way, MANY thanx to Mark Bredius for posting such deliriously wonderful news! I'm immeasurably happy right now! 8-D
Laterz..... Matt T.
NP: Tribute to Judas Priest Volume 2
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:23:37 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Firth of Fifth Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980612142329.006ad834@lainet.com>
I think it's funny that through the posts about how Andy should spend more time trying to tune his ears, learn by hearing rather than seeing, and how keyboardists don't read tablature, but score, no one has bothered to give him the infomartion he asked for.
Come on folks! We're supposed to help each other out... Not criticize each other's learning techniques.
By the way, Andy, that URL is:
http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~heacock/midi/genesis2.html
-sp00L
is there anybody listening? is there anyone that sees what's going on? read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling think for yourself and feel the walls... become sand beneath your feet
- queensryche, anybody listening?
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:56:58 EDT From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: firth of fifth Message-ID: <b5885d5f.3581a42b@aol.com>
i know i mentioned i had transcribed the intro ages ago.....i don't remember if i ever gave it to anyone. i don't knwo if i still have it. anyone on here who's been on here a long time remember if they got one from me, or me actually giving it to anyone?
wild koba
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi new york law school thrak75@aol.com
"i bring truth and understanding. i bring wit and wisdom fair- precious gifts beyond compare." -n. peart ************************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:00:50 -0400 From: "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bees, bees the magical fruit... Message-ID: <19980612225519.DHTO7634@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey all,
>years ago Guitar for the Practicing (Shredder) Musician magazine >transcribed Nuno from extreme's version of this piece,
Note: this and the Rimsky-Korsakov piece are NOTHING alike. And there's no point learning the Nuno version, it's too freakin' hard. By the way, does anyone still have the Guitar School where they transcribed He-Man Woman Hater, with FotWB as an intro, without the delay effect info? This transcripition is a trip due to its sheer inaccuracy! Bafu: > If Andy had said "I'm selling cds to pay for a third testicle implant,"
Please! I don't have nough room for these two huge ones I already tote around! (psst... it's Andrew, Drew, or even Ah-swee-pay: never Andy) *We've got the biggest BALLS OF THEM ALL!* Ptacek wrote: > Buy music as an aesthetic investment, not a financial one.
I missed this the first time around, and have to bow in the face of it's utter truth. No sarcasm implied or intended. But alas, I am purchasing an Ibanez JS 6000 Custom with the accumulated funds. If that isn't an aesthetic investment, I dunno what is... :)
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:49:54 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FedEx Two Year Service Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980612204954.007dc100@mindspring.com>
Well, today I finally received my boots from Mike Bahr via FedEx two day mail. Everyone should know (as I always have) that when you order from Bahr, you WILL get your CDs eventually, but "when?!" is the biggest question. For some it's three weeks. For me it was a year and a half. He seems to be getting better on new orders, but I haven't ordered from him since early '97, so I can't say firsthand. Caveat Emptor.
On a quick side note, I've noticed a disturbing trend (at least disturbing for me) recently when setting up boot trades. Many people seem to find sound quality much more important than performance quality. A trader recently wanted a boot with a good version of Scarred. I gave him a few options and recommended one that had by far the best performance, but it happened to have relatively poor sound quality. He wouldn't accept that and instead chose a much inferior performance just because I rated it as an "A" sound quality-wise. I think this is a side effect of CD boot trading (or maybe vice versa). A good amount of fans seem to care far more about sound quality and convenience than about the actual music they're listening to. I'll tell you right now - the best performances DT (and alot of bands) has ever given aren't available for purchase (grrrr) on CD nor are the tapes of alot of those performances of very good sound quality (yup, to many "of"s). I'm not sure why I find people preferring convenience and lack of hiss over performance so offensive - maybe I'm just a boot purist, but it really bugs me. This is one of the very few subjects I'm anal-retentive on. :) Maybe I'm alone in just being into boot trading for the music. Any opinions? (Hmm, that wasn't such a quick sidenote afterall. Sorry) Hehe... Take care all...
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine/Alpineone/Alpione) alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967 http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________
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