YTSEJAM Digest 3993
Today's Topics:
1) Liq. Ten. Exp.
by "J?rgen C. Bakken" <easy2beat@hotmail.com>
2) Powermad and Symphony X...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
3) I&W misprinted CD
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
4) Jones Beach
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3988
by Toneadd9@aol.com
6) DT/DP/ELP in Philly
by Chris Jerolamon <ckj@UDel.Edu>
7) DeGarmo
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
8) Re: stuff...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) Re: hi
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
10) Re: Do You Market Products & Services? FUCK YEAH!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) Re: Imagine this...
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
12) 'Peanuts' tab / Bass stuff
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
13) Re: FAQ stuff...
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
14) re: live album
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
15) Re : Big Wreck (age)
by MentalHunk@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:49:11 PDT
From: "J?rgen C. Bakken" <easy2beat@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Liq. Ten. Exp.
Message-ID: <19980618134911.13110.qmail@hotmail.com>
I Have just recently bought the album, and I must say,
IT'S BLODDY EXCELLENT.
To those complaining about the drop in the JAM, come on that's nothing,
everone who has bought and bootleg knows what drop is.
By the why, Mr. P: I'm totally for the live album, and the video.
Especally since I missed the consert i Norway, you should com eback more
often. Like you tour america all the time, how about an norwegian tour?
Just a thought from
Jørgen C. Bakken
91 74 77 98
ytsejam@iname.com
www.angelfire.com/az/jazz4
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:58:46 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Powermad and Symphony X...
Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5E7905EA@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
>
> I've just received an email from the Symphony X list, notifying
> me that Symphony X has been CONFIRMED for the Powermad festival in
> Baltimore on the weekend of August 21,22,23. How many
> Jammers will be
> there? The webpage for the festival itself has not been
> updated recently,
> but here is the URL: http://websnet.com/global/mad2.htm
>
> Mini Ytsecon anyone?
Well, the DC/Baltimore locals will be there.(Pat? Kevin? Steve Z.? Kez?
Maybe Bafu, even?) There'll be a lot of cool bands - even Division, although
we don't fit into the "cool" category... :)
Seriously, I had a blast last year, made a lot of new friends, heard some
great music, and spent $200 on CDs...
What more could you want on a weekend? :)
The bands I know of that are playing:
Symphony X
Mystic Force
Mercury Rising
Division
Digital Ruin
Aztec Jade
The Quiet Room
Delusion
I think Vicious Rumors and Enertia are playing again, too.
Mike
Division
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:49:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I&W misprinted CD
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980618104205.9969A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Haje Jan remarked:
> I mailed a while back about the I&W misprinted CD. It is in the regular I&W
> CD case, with the regular liner notes, and the regular image on the disc,
> but it has AC//DC music on it (whatever one it is.. It has Hell's Bells on it.
>
> Now this guy emailed me and told me he'd give USD $ 100 for it.. Is it
> really worth that much? Or maybe it's even worth more?
>
> FEEDBACK!! FEEDBACK!!!
*screeech*howl*screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*glass shatters*
You're welcome. :)
The simple answer is "it's worth whatever the person who's buying is
willing to pay for it" or "it's worth whatever the person who's selling is
willing to sell it for". Personally I have always found discussions of
"what something's worth" to be kind of ridiculous. I have thousands of
comic books. Some of them are "worth" hundreds of dollars according to the
Overstreet Price Guide, but I hardly ever read them myself. Others are
worth only their face value, but I read them to tatters and wouldn't part
with them for any price. They're worth more to me.
Same goes for CDs. If you're looking to buy a CD and find one you want,
but the seller wants more than you're willing to pay, it's worth more to
him than it is to you.
If you are willing to sell the CD at $100, do so. He's willing to buy it
at that price, and you could make yourself a pretty penny on something
that's essentially just a curiosity.
Ta,
Phil
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Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"I never should have written all those tank programs."
-- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
Currently playing: Boston -- "Walk On"
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:55:11 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jones Beach
Message-ID: <35892A4F.D8E31C52@bdm.com>
Alex wrote:
> Me and a friend of mine are planning on going to the DP/ELP/DT Jones Beach
> show on August 9th. Before I buy tickets online, I want to find out some
> stuff about the venue. I've never been there, and want to get the best space
> for my money!! Thing is this: we're there for DT, so we're not going to
> purchase the expensive tickets. We'll probably leave after they play, to beat
> the crowd out of there, and get home at a somewhat humane hour. We're
> shooting for the 15 dollar tickets, which are listed as
> -any area for this price
> -standing room only
> -mezzanine
I don't understand this reasoning at all. Why not stick around and check
out ELP and DP? Both of these bands are influences to DT, so why not see
what they are all about if you don't know anything about them? Even if
you dont like their studio work, a lot of bands are much much better
live. Deep Purple are one of the early pioneers of metal and ELP is one
of the pioneers for progressive music. I would love for the chance to
see these 3 bands but alas the tour isn't (currently) coming to the DC
area for some unknown reason.
NP:KISS-Alive III
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:54:49 EDT From: Toneadd9@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3988 Message-ID: <b2ef670b.3589384a@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-18 01:10:25 EDT, you write:
<< http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/7460/z-medley.ra and also I uploaded a little clip (I have to edit this again) from DT at: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/7460/dremix.ra >>
did anyone find these, i checked em out-but to no avail. private mail me if yes
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Jerolamon <ckj@UDel.Edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT/DP/ELP in Philly Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980618121311.1696B-100000@copland.udel.edu>
> > In case it hasn't yet been writ here, tickets for the August 12th Deep > Purple / Dream Theater / Emerson, Lake & Palmer show go on sale this > Saturday, that's right, the 20th of June. Just announced today -- a 93.3 > WMMR "concert event", even. > Really?....I've been listening to that station all week waiting for an announcement.
Anyway, where do we have to go to get tickets? The box office at the theater (the E Center?), ticketmaster (yuck), or some other place? TIA,
Chris
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:40:52 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DeGarmo Message-ID: <l03130300b1aef3785303@[129.116.47.106]>
>Chris Degarmo (formerly of Queensryche)
When did this happen?!
James C. Shields Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Spread before you is your soul So forever hold the dreams within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace I'm Learning to live Dream Theater "Learning to Live" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:01:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: stuff... Message-ID: <199806181701.NAA01456@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> Hi guys, > > After listening to to all the studio DT albums, I have come to the = > conclusion that LaBrie's voice TOTALLY rocks. The thing that perplexed
Agreed, 100%
> me while listening to him, is how he gets his voice so high and clear?? > Is this just vocal training that anyone could do and manage to get that > high or he is just very very lucky??
It's a combination of both. Some musicians believe in "born musicians" and prodigies and things like that <and they do exist: Tori Amos, Jordan Rudess, etc.>. The truth is there are VERY few "born" singers, unless they're Italian. By born singers I mean people who have natural, instinctive vocal technique. I, however, believe that TO A CERTAIN EXTENT anyone can learn how to sing well <or play an instrument well, or do math well>. It all depends upon training and PRACTICE.
However, as much as technique can be learned, singers also need to be born with a good instrument. James's VOICE itself is the biggest part of the magic.
> The control he has over his voice > amazes me alot of the time so if anyone here can give me insights into > where and how he gets that amazing vibrato and the clearness plus > highness in his voice, well, I will be thankful, and I'll be able to > get some sleep tonight maybe ;)
Vibrato must be practiced in order to get it going, but one it does it will come so naturally that you will have to concentrate to NOT get the vibrato. Vibrato is a by-product of healthy vocal tone, as is the clarity. While it is true that you can build and improve your range, that is another thing that you are just born with. If you're an alto don't try to make yourself a aoprano and if you're a bass don't try to make yourself a tenor. Find what you are and be that.
Read books <just be careful because no one ever learned to sing by reading a book>, take lessons, practice, join a church or school choir. These are the best ways to improve your voice. I am a classically trained singer and I still say that ANYONE can learn to sing rather well.
How do you get to Carnegie Hall? <anyone, anyone...>
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:37:33 +0100 From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: hi Message-ID: <01bd9ae8$28721fe0$LocalHost@elydian>
>Hi >My postings dont seem to be getting through to the jam... > >Anyone for beers in the Bull and Gate pub before next weeks DT forum >gig? > >Cheers > >Simon > >By the way >England 2 Tunisia 0
Yeah, no beers for me though, I got a four hour drive back, afterwards. What time? Anyone else coming? I'll be with Tchzrech and a couple of others.
========================================== In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ ==========================================
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:59:06 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Do You Market Products & Services? FUCK YEAH! Message-ID: <199806181859.LAA10187@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Vincent G. LuPone" thus begged: > > If only hemmheroids (sp?) were that easy to remove. hmpf. > >Sarcastically yours, > >~Vince
Vince, you PHUQUEENG IDEEOT... don't reply to SPAM you toad lover.
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:27:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: AL <al@isd.net> Subject: Re: Imagine this... Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980618152623.9152A-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> Could you imagine 12 outdoor shows in carefully selected locations > spanning the fruited plains? I sure could. Here's my dream band list: > To open at 11 Am, Chroma key (1hr set)- Platypus (1hr set)- Liquid Tension > Experiment (1 hr set)- Rudess Morgenstein Project (1hr set)- King Crimson > (2hr set)- Fates Warning (2hr set)- Kings X (2hr set)- Dream Theater (3hr set). > This would take one hell of a road crew and probably two stages. > Hey, why not a two day event? Invite Angra, symphony X, Savatage, > Vanden Plas, Galactic Cowboys, Yngwie Malmsteen, And Yes.
Give Dr. Mosh the crack pipe back now. :)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:54:00 -0400 From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 'Peanuts' tab / Bass stuff Message-ID: <36E02D8151FFD1118C1C00600808ACE50F90E3@HAMSXHA2>
I don't know if this has been mentioned before (I don't think it has), but is the Stu Hamm version of 'Peanuts' available in tablature? If anyone has any info on this, I'd greatly appreciate it.
And speaking of bass, I'm almost hesitant to mention this, but I played one of the best basses I've ever played last night. It was... a Squire Jazz. And it friggin' COOKED. So I traded the kid my Ibanez SR305 for it straight up. Anyone else ever run into this? A lame, cheap-ass company known for it's slip-shod production making an instrument that you simply can't live without?
Again, thanks! - N
Nicholas Giannotti JointSTARS Contracts giannottin@hanscom.af.mil "Save the whales - collect the whole set."
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:14:25 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: FAQ stuff... Message-ID: <01BD9B0A.E5B58A20@180.rotterdam1.gironet.nl>
Christopher Ptacek (who I consider a good friend) wrote :
> I was even more surprised that Itchy didn't just decide > to maintain the faq himself and work with Gabbo.
I respected Merlo's decision, and figured Gabbo would ask me for help if/when he needed it. Besides, I don't think it'd be a good idea to have two guys working on one document.
I do try to help out by sending Gabbo relevant info for the FAQ, if I happen to come across it... For instance, Rich Kern (he did the programming on "Space-Dye Vest") got credited for the vocals on the "Wanted Dead Or Alive" demo... But according to Rich that was actually Chris Collins. Things like that...
That reminds me... A coupla years ago I contributed some info to the FAQ that to date hasn't been confirmed yet. And all it would take is for someone to watch two pretty good movies, to prove me right. It'd be cool if one of you guys could rent them and watch them before Gabbo's new version. :)) Here's the info :
> 7.4 Where are the samples from "The Mirror" from? > > Mark "Itchy" Bredius wrote to the YML with the following information, > which to date has neither been confirmed nor proven wrong by anyone > else (so feel free to help out!). He says that the woman's voice > ("Everything you need is around you. The only danger is inside you.") > is Mary Beth Hurt's, from a movie called "Lightsleeper," directed by > Paul Schrader in 1992. It also starred Willem Dafoe and Susan Sarandon. > > Mark also wrote that the male voice is Jeremy Irons' from the movie > "Damage," from Louis Malle, also in 1992. Mark transcribed the passages > this way: > > (Jeremy Irons in Damage) > The feeling that (3:23) I HAVEN'T BEHAVED AS I SHOULD. You know, what > you were saying in Hartley about passion... You were right. I was > distanted. I know I was. > > (Mary Beth Hurt in Lightsleeper) > (3:26) EVERYTHING YOU NEED IS AROUND YOU, THE ONLY DANGER IS INSIDE YOU > > (Jeremy Irons in Damage) > (3:34) YOU SEE, I THOUGHT YOU COULD CONTROL LIFE... > (3:39) BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THAT... There are things you... > (3:42) THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN'T CONTROL
(the upper case parts indicating the samples)
Ok, back to Ptacek...
> Some people, like Itchy, get an inordinate, and inappropriate amount > of pleasure out of that kind of work.
Someone recently asked me why I put so much time and effort into maintaining UACM. Told him it's fun to find out just how far you can get with a fan page... You know, making sure you always have the latest info before everyone else... Getting compliments from (ex-)band members... Being able to help fellow fans out with the latest info about tour dates and upcoming releases... The actual HTML coding is a VERY small part of what it takes to run UACM...
I tend to compare it to maintaining a FAQ, *live* and on a daily basis with not much room for error, seeing as UACM gets over 600 visitors a day. It can be very exciting in an odd sorta way. :-) Hope this explains the "inappropriate amount of pleasure" thing.
Now if I could only explain why my paragraphes are so damn neat. > All this being said, I think Gabbo HAS updated the faq recently...
Yup, saw a preview two or three weeks ago... Let's just wait and see what Gabbo comes up with, instead of giving him shit for not knocking out an update because people expect a new version... If it takes a few weeks more to make the FAQ even better, so be it.
> Let's wait a couple days and see what comes of this. You may just > see a new FAQ tomorrow. If not, I will help organize a way to get > a new maintainer, if that's what we need.
How about a petition on "Under A Cyber Moon" ? ;-)
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 06-17-1998
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:52:56 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: live album Message-ID: <3589FCB8.2816@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com wrote :
>BTW, since DT does SO many LONG songs, wouldnt a 74+ minute CD be >to short? Lets do a double album - BOTH 74+ minutes! that would rock! >they MUST include:
>Metropolis >Petrucci's guitar solo >Portnoy's drum solo >Scarred >Carpe Diem/The Darkest of Winters/Ytse Jam (instrumental thingy) >New Millenium >Peruvian Skies >TTT >The Mirror >Lie >Voices >Pull Me Under >Lines in the Sand >ACOS 1 & 2 >Burning My Soul >Trial of Tears >JLMB
>Portnoy...are you reading this!?!?!
Hey, you forgot :
- Clockwork Orange Theme <--- the most kick ass intro ever ! (especially when they start with Lines In The Sand) - A Crack In The Mirror <--- this track must be on the live album because it's so great and not availible in any regular album. - Derek's solo <-- like Royal Hunt's 1996 2 live CD, every band member sould put his solo on the CD (beside James ;-)) - Crimson Sunset <--- if they start with ACOS 1 & 2, then they should put ACOS 6 at the end of the album.
I just hope that the live album will be a 2CD with 155 mins of Dream Theater.
NP : Shadow Gallery - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:18:00 EDT From: MentalHunk@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re : Big Wreck (age) Message-ID: <4d569ab0.35899219@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-18 01:10:28 EDT, you write:
<< O.K., keeping in mind that A LOT of people at the DT shows were nauseatingly disrespectful of Big Wreck, and the fact that their lead singer didn't help their case much by being rather confrontational: >>
At the Minneapolis show, at one point when Big Wreck was between songs , A guy from the back of the venue yelled out " Dream Theater fucking Rules ! "....To which the lead singer (sorry, don't know his name) replied " Hey, you don't have to tell us...we see them everyday at soundcheck ." .....This doesn't sound confrontational to me, it sounds respectful....I thought Big Wreck kicked ass , and I hope Dream Theater reaches new fans and makes an impression on "newbies" the way Big Wreck impressed me .
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