YTSEJAM Digest 3999
Today's Topics:
1) Music that Kicks Ass -- Emerson Lake and Palmer
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
2) BLUE on the web today 330pm
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
3) Jones beach concert
by Devs0432@aol.com
4) august tour dates
by stan-o- <drumguy@uscom.com>
5) administrivia
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
6) Dali's Dilemma Update
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
7) mp3 sites?
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
8) Re: administrivia
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
9) Bootleg online suppliers.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
10) Re: mp3 sites?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
11) Re: Bootleg online suppliers.
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
12) Royal Hunt 1996
by 09E@or304.mc.gov.au (Graham Boyle HMAS Success)
13) Re: alternative-progressive
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
14) Don't F with Gaz right now....
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
15) Re: Tempest
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
16) Degarmo
by Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:13:31 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Music that Kicks Ass -- Emerson Lake and Palmer
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980621131331.007ada90@pop3.afn.org>
"Toccata"
(an adaptation of Ginastera's 1st Piano Concerto, 2nd Movement)
http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/toccata.zip
(Short rant follows:
It took over six hours of working on fucking Windows to make it so I
could upload this, so thank me. I hate Microsoft. I want Bill Gates
to go bankrupt and turn to a life of crime(not corporate crime, he's
already in for that--where's Crackers the Corporate Crimefighting
Chicken when you need him?) smuggling cocaine in his urethra to
countries with bad water supplies and get arrested and thrown into
prison and have to take it in the ass three times a day from a man
named Bald-Headed John. I hate Microsoft.
So today I'm going to sacrifice myself and sign up for my free month
of the Microsoft Network, because I NEED to have a 33.6 connection for
LiveConcerts.com's playing of Bruford Levin Upper Extremities and
Charlie Hunter today at 330pm (Pacific, I think). You've got to hear
this concert. I finally received my copy of BLUE the other day and
this stuff is great. If you get this post or the digest it is in today,
check it out.)
Well DT is soon to be doing some concerts with ELP, so here's my favorite
ELP song ever.
Emerson Lake and Palmer are basically Keith Emerson, who is a monster on
the keyboards and sick, sick, sick. Sure, there's the workmanlike
drumming of Carl Palmer, and the little used bass playing and the awful
vocals of Greg Lake (though I guess I like Lake with King Crimson ok),
but Emerson carries the band.
ELP started out as classical music to rock drums. Sometimes they would
credit their sources, sometimes not. By Tarkus and Brain Salad Surgery,
however, we had a prog rock group on our hands. But my favorite (other
than the 20 minute long "Tarkus") is this piece, classical music to not
very rock drums, a piece written by the modern composer Ginastera. It's
scary, scary, scary (and Carl Palmer's best drumming in my opinion). "Tocatta" is the musical version of the H.R. Giger paintings on the cover
of this album, Brain Salad Surgery.
(Anyone ever play the Amiga game "Darkseed?" This song would have been
the perfect score.)
And no Greg Lake singing "Still...You Turn Me On" (blech, worst song on
BSS).
Listen to it. It's zipped so Netscape doesn't screw it up. It's 3
megs.
"So you thought that your bolts and your locks would keep me out.
You should have known better after all this time.
You're going to pay in blood for all your vicious slander....
Let the blood flow." -- Fish -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:37:10 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BLUE on the web today 330pm
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980621133710.007ad210@pop3.afn.org>
Well Microsoft won't accept my name/address information, so no BLUE for
my 14.4k self, but you should check it out. Today, Sunday, at 330pm
(Pacific, I think) at www.liveconcerts.com. Bruford Levin Upper
Extremities with Charlie Hunter. Make sure you have RealPlayer
installed.
"So you thought that your bolts and your locks would keep me out.
You should have known better after all this time.
You're going to pay in blood for all your vicious slander....
Let the blood flow." -- Fish -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:50:12 EDT
From: Devs0432@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jones beach concert
Message-ID: <db7a1bc.358d47d5@aol.com>
Pat:
<< I don't understand this reasoning at all. Why not stick around and check
out ELP and DP? Both of these bands are influences to DT, so why not see
what they are all about if you don't know anything about them? Even if
you dont like their studio work, a lot of bands are much much better
live. Deep Purple are one of the early pioneers of metal and ELP is one
of the pioneers for progressive music. I would love for the chance to
see these 3 bands but alas the tour isn't (currently) coming to the DC
area for some unknown reason. >>
Well, we might. Then again, we might not. I would be curious, particularly
about DP, but nothing is carved in stone. The point is that I have never seen
DT live, having missed all points of their recent East Coast leg of the tour,
and this is my chance in the near future to do so. This makes seeing them
more of a priority. We'll probably be spending the day at the beach, and then
heading over to the concert, and after that there's still an hour ride home.
How tired I am will play a big part in when we leave.
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:15:59 -0400
From: stan-o- <drumguy@uscom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: august tour dates
Message-ID: <358D4DCC.2E5FB197@uscom.com>
> Wed Aug 12th - E Center - Philadelphia, PA
>
burns me up sometimes. THE E-CENTRE IS NOT IN PHILLY. It is in
Camden NJ, on the other side of the bridge.
sorry for the all caps. But ive been to this place way too many times
only to hear the artists say, "Heeeeellloooooooo Philadelphia"..
Mike, James, Derek, John, and John. Please dont make the same mistake.
You will be in Jersey on that night, not in philly.
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:26:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: administrivia
Message-ID: <13709.19289.259420.28981@wicked.stigmata.org>
hi all ...
first off, let me apologize for the strangeness of the jam
this past week. It seems as if the listproc server got stuck at some
point early last week and queued up a ton of mail and was very slow in
processing it. That's why things were so sporadic for a bit. It
seems to be happier now, so hopefully no more breakdowns.
second, i want to repeat this YET AGAIN. if it seems like the
ytsejam is down, DO NOT MAIL THE JAM and say stuff like "Is the jam
broken?" Guess what? First of all, noone is gonna see the damn post
if it is. Second, you are just going to clutter up the jam and the
processing queue by sending mail to the jam. if you think the jam is
down, IT PROBABLY IS and I probably know about it. But, if you want
mail ME <skadz@dreamt.org> and I will mail you back if something ISN'T
wrong. If you mail me and say "is the jam broken?" and it is, you
probably won't hear back from me, because I probably am working on
it. If it isn't broken and you send me a mail like this, I will look
in to it for you as soon as I can. Also, since Itchy and I talk
enough, check http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ and see if there is any
info there.
third, we currently have 1180 subscribers. this is before me
doing some admin work today, so that will probably drop down a bit,
but who knows. Since I am on the topic of unsubbing people, let me
explain a few things about the unusb process. I have a program that I
run on my ytsemail folder a few times a day that deals with 75% of
this mail. It makes logs for me and tells me how many times an
address is bouncing. If an address has bounced too many time (as
determined by me), i unsubscribe the address. If you get unsubscribed
and SHOULDN'T have been, just re-sub. If you get removed from the jam
for a reason other than bounces, you will get a mail from me telling
you that you are an idiot and that's why you were removed. I hope
this explains why a couple of people have been randomly unsubbed when
they shouldn't have been.
fourth, html mail. I have decided that sending mail that
shows up as both plain text and HTML is now grounds for removal from
the jam. This is getting RIDICULOUS and I am sick of it. Everyone
who is using an email program that is "cool" and lets you do HTML
mail, go in to preferences and TURN IT OFF before sending email to the
jam. I am sick of seeing post in jams that are literally in there
twice because of the two different versions. Goes by the normal three
strikes and your out rule and be prepared to get a e-mail lashing from
me if you send mail this way.
fifth, i have seen some people lately sending little one-line
funnies to the jam. STOP. Every once in a while is fine, but I am
seeing some names in almost evcery jam and all they are sending is
little jokes. Lets try and keep this to the purpose of the list. I
don't mind it here and there, but its getting ridiculous. if you
contribute to regular threads alot and just HAVE to send a one-liner,
fine, but don't make it your normal posting.
sixth, editing. EDIT YOUR DAMN REPLIES PEOPLE. I don't wanna
see, "I agree" with 100 lines of quoted stuff. Guess what? If
people are really interested in your reply, THEY PROBABLY READ THE
FIRST POST, so just keep a line or two so they know what you are
replying to. I have seen way too much quoted stuff in the jams lately
(well, not like it every stopped, but i digress) and its a waste of
bandwidth.
seventh, this is not the get in touch with mike bahr and
publically put him down forum. If you can't get in touch with Mike,
call him, I know his phone number is somewhere on one of his pages (or
at least used to be) or email him until he answers. Though, I will
NEVER buy a CD from Mike again, this is not the place to try and get
in touch with him. (same goes for anyone else selling merch)
eigth, bogie. (/me watches nick cringe) I can vouch for this
kid until I am blue in the face. I know he is late on some shipments
right now, but all the reasons he is giving people are completely
true. I know he dissed going out with me (and how could ANYONE not
want to hang out with me) on a number of occasions because of finals
and stuff, so don't worry, he isn't stiffing you, he is working on it
as quickly as he can. If you feel that something is really wrong with
his service in the future and he isn't responding, email me, I will
walk down the block and kick his ass for you :)
ok, i think i have babbled enough about stuff for now. As
usual, please think before you post to this list. Anything that can
be taken to private email, SHOULD be. There are almost 1200 people on
this list and I bet a good percentage of them get a huge amount of
email and don't have time to wade through alot of crap.
Thanks!
Skadz
Ytsejam Moderator
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:15:14 -0700
From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dali's Dilemma Update
Message-ID: <006501bd9d51$525d4d00$72a4d6d0@multimedia>
Just wanted to tell everyone that Dali's Dilemma finished
mastering their CD on Thursday. Kick ass performances by
everyone and really good production.
Its looking like it'll be released as
early as August or possibly September. Wait patiently and buy
Kevin Moore's CD and 'Age of Impact' on Magna Carta.
Hey Doc, I might be going to PowerMad now.
Is everyone going to Baltimore?
peace,
--james--
www.jamesthorpe.com
mail@jamesthorpe.com
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:43:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: mp3 sites?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980621164203.15348B-100000@thunder>
I am at work right now and I need to listen to music and forgot to bring
my CD's. Can anyone tell me some good mp3 sites to listen to? Do any of
them have a live stream?
Many thanks for making the evening pass better :)
-Ponte
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:37:10 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: administrivia
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980621182219.2694A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Ryan P. Skadberg wrote:
> hi all ...
(...)
Well, good points, IMO. I've been having the same problems with
some lists that I maintain and I think that there should perhaps be a
standard of netiquette that people should receive when they sign some kind
of a provider, even if it's their University (humm... Perhaps I should
make such a document to distribute/put on some homepage to some users here
of the network for which I'm responsible). This way, we avoid those
Seroussi's. I guess you know what I mean.
Anyway, I've been getting really sick of posts like "gee, get me
out of this list" or things like that. I guess that the regulars of the
list don't need to hear this, since they won't unsubscribe (or, if they
do, they'll avoid doing fools of themselves), but the other day, I read a
phrase which I thought funny and, at the same time, profound enough to be
applied to many things, not just the Internet: "Incredible! People whose
VCRs are flashing 12:00 are getting computers".
This is one of the worst sins that a list manager has to bear. I
think that the subscription process to mailing lists should be harder, to
see if people know how to read and also if they can think.
Oh, and I FUCKING HATE posts with HTML. In fact, I also hate those
FUCKING web pages composed by those "canned" programs which only show with
a decent visual when displayed on graphical browsers. The final test to
see if a homepage is good enough is to see it thru lynx. If it shows up
ok, then it probably is well-written. Hummm, but I digress.
Hehe! And if you didn't notice, I'm back. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bootleg online suppliers. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980621144950.5053A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Greetings friends, I'm interested in finding online sources from which to buy bootlegs. I know that Terrible Ted's is one such store, though their actual boot list is limmitted. Specificly, I'm looking for very early Van Halen boots. If possible, I'd be very grateful for URL's or just the names of the cites. Thanks very very much. Be well. Matt B
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:54:38 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: mp3 sites? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980621183743.2694B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Mike Pontrelli wrote:
> I am at work right now and I need to listen to music and forgot to bring > my CD's. Can anyone tell me some good mp3 sites to listen to? Do any of > them have a live stream?
Humm... Working on Sundays, pal? :-) Anyways, just fire up your browser and use it to find some MP3s. You'll probably won't find "good" MP3s (it all depends on your taste: one man's garbage is another's treasure), but will, of course, find some interesting things if you look hard enough. Just type some key words on the search engine of your preference, including, of course, mp3 and you'll probably find a bunch of files.
Regarding live streams, well, I don't know of any place that streams MP3 files (if you know of any, please let us know), but there are plenty of places streaming Real Audio files (which suck big time, BTW). For instance, check out <www.liveconcerts.com> or <www.thedj.com> or <www.hardradio.com> or <www.kcuf.org>. This last place also has some jazz, death metal and black metal. Check it out.
> Many thanks for making the evening pass better :)
If you're into a progressive mood, you can check the following URL: <http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/mp3/>. You'll find 2 mp3 files there. One of them is Gentle Giant's "On Reflection", from their kick ass album "Free Hand" and another is Kansas's "Carry On Wayward Son", from the album "Leftoverture", whose delicate piano interlude in the beginning was completely destroyed by Yngwie Malmsteen, on his album "Inspiration".
ObDT: It was also covered, of course, by DT.
> -Ponte
Let's the flamewar begin!, Roger...
N.P.: Katatonia, "Brave Muder Day" (excluding the vocals, it sucks) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:16:04 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Bootleg online suppliers. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980621190901.3039A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Stephen Dedalus wrote:
> Greetings friends, > I'm interested in finding online sources from which to buy bootlegs. > I know that Terrible Ted's is one such store, though their actual boot > list is limmitted. Specificly, I'm looking for very early Van Halen > boots. If possible, I'd be very grateful for URL's or just the names of > the cites. Thanks very very much. Be well.
I don't know if they carry early Van Halen bootlegs (of course, R. Whitaker has a lot of Van Halen boots), but you might check the Kiss the Stone records site. The URL is: <www.kissthestone.com>. It's on Singapore now, under a new administration and seems to have faster delivery, from what I hear/read. I haven't ordered anything from them since they got busted during the past year, but I was quite satisfied with their boots.
ObDTC: And they even have some Dream Theater bootlegs. Hummm... "Mind Control" (regarded by many as a classic, must-have boot, from the "Awake" tour, a soundboard recording), "Dream Out Loud" (don't have this one) and "Lords of Sound".
I wish they had some Opeth bootlegs... :-)
[]s, Roger...
N.P.: Renaissance, "Ashes Are Burning" <-- GET THIS DISC, DAMMIT! -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:37:34 +0000 From: 09E@or304.mc.gov.au (Graham Boyle HMAS Success) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Royal Hunt 1996 Message-ID: <358c73dd.or304@or304.mc.gov.au>
ROYAL HUNT 1996: I got this CD & Video a couple of weeks ago, very impressive. The CD is a double live concert recorded in Japan, the sound is very tight and a lot more powerful than there studio albums. Basically a good way to check out the pre 'Paradox' masterial
I also believe that later this month, RH are releasing a live video/CD from the Paradox tour, which I think is a Japan only release at this stage.
graham
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:03:47 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net> To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: alternative-progressive Message-ID: <199806220124.UAA04888@indy1.indy.net>
>No matter how you twist it, though, "progressive rock" is a noun, a >definite label (usually pertaining to early '70s bands). Not a label for >Foo Fighters.
You're right. But 'Everlong' is still one of the best songs of this past year, progressive or no. Labels (the corporate type and the 'this is this kind of music' type) be damed!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Patrick Indianapolis, IN mepatric@indy.net
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:23:56 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Don't F with Gaz right now.... Message-ID: <358DB22C.BDF115D2@winshop.com.au>
Gaz spied the Jam with his periscope and transmitted these signals:
> From: 09E@or304.mc.gov.au (Graham Boyle HMAS Success)
> Oh my goodness, Alan WTF is all this ? > 6 posts in a row, c'mon, and with the huge signature > AND quoting the original message as well :)
> Whatever your on send me some c/- the Pacific Ocean.... > 5 more days till we reach land, but who's counting..
> graham
Yeah, it's a good idea you yanks don't fuck with Gaz right now - being on a big fucken battleship loaded with nuclear warheads and all. (and you thought he could flame via email....)
Luke.
PS. Anyone who is the slightest bit partial to any of Blind Guardian's stuff, MUST get the new one, 'Nightfall In Middle Earth' - superb disc!
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:59:41 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tempest Message-ID: <199806220200.TAA21638@odin.ax.com>
> Tempest is a celtic band and most jammers wouldn't get into their type > of music, I would bet. My favorite is Serrated Edge. It's got some > classic celtic set to a rock beat. It's Irish-type music, so expect jigs Oh, I definitely would. I really need to check these guys out. Sounds like some pretty kcikass music. I totally dig Celtic/Irish type music.
Dale R. Newberry drnewb@spiff.net
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:30:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Degarmo Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980621222205.18948A-100000@copland.udel.edu>
There is a large group of people (ok maybe not large) who think that Queensryche best material was there newest. Granted, I love Mindcrime just like the rest of 'em, but to me it seemed like there where useing it like a crutch. The last two albums (In my opinion) were way to strong to still be playing 75% of Mindcrime live. Granted I did like what they did with Mindcrime of the Promised Land tour (the two stories went together real well), but they skipped a lot of key songs last tour just to play Mindcrime stuff.
The label seemed to lose interest shortly after the album came out. All the promotion was payed for by the band, and the as for the tour. The label didn't even do a ticket buy for guests or radio, like they did for the last tour. Degarmo new the plane was going down, and he grabed a parachute.
These are just my thoughts, as for the vaility of them, I work closely with the Label and many label Rep's, and I know the vibe about Queensryche.
andy
Andrew Miller ytsejam@Udel.Edu
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