YTSEJAM Digest 4002
Today's Topics:
1) late
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
2) Re: HTML
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
3) Chroma Key
by "Oliver Ploier" <Oliver.Ploier@stud.uni-hannover.de>
4) Re: DT's Last Tour?
by marshallm@juno.com (Mike Marshall)
5) double CD jewel cases?
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
6) Never mind (was: DT Tour No More?)
by marshallm@juno.com (Mike A Marshall)
7) Re: info on CDs......
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
8) Rock Radio Network/touring confusion
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
9) Tiles
by "Andrew Garinger" <agaringer@siweb.com>
10) last tour.....???
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
11) George Lucas wrote another Bahr Wars Trilogy?
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
12) central park
by Devs0432@aol.com
13) Re: Bye Bye Dream Theater! (fwd)
by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
14) Scott Brosius chat
by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
15) hehe. html... and BLUE
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
16) Last Tour
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
17) Baltimore ProgRock
by Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
18) ICED EARTH
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
19) Re: Chroma Key
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
20) Re: Lynx bashing <sigh>
by Adam Pye <alpineone@mindspring.com>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:58:34 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: late
Message-ID: <358EA95A.AAAA9FE7@bdm.com>
Mike Bahr wrote:
> Oh, nice double standard there, Ryan. Real nice. Bogie can be late on
> shit and nobody gives him a second thought, but if Mike Bahr is late,
> let the flogging begin! At least from you personally; you say as much in
> your post!! (I wish I had quoted that part) "I know both are late, but
> I'll vouch for Bogie, and fuck that asshole Mike Bahr".
Ok, isn't there a difference from being a few weeks late and being
months to over a year late?
NP:LA Guns-Cocked And Loaded
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 14:27:39 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: HTML Message-ID: <358eb02b62c0005@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <3.0.5.32.19980622001614.0097e100@mindspring.com> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> incredibly limiting. No Java(Script)
I agree that text-only is limiting, but anyone who uses Java(script) on a webpage should be visciously tortured and killed.
-Brian
"You've got to believe in someone, asking me who is right, asking me who to follow...don't ask me, I don't know." - Ozzy Coleridge on IRC Web: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hayd0029
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:31:43 +0200 From: "Oliver Ploier" <Oliver.Ploier@stud.uni-hannover.de> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Chroma Key Message-ID: <000001bd9e1a$f854fea0$82d46d0a@majesty>
Hi, today I got the german 'Metal'- Mag called 'Hammer' which includes an extra CD and features new Bands and new Songs by already known bands. This time they got 'Colourblind' by Chroma Key! The whole song, not just a sample. Boy, what can I say? It's nothing to do with DT -AT- ALL-! To translate what the editor from the 'Hammer' wrote:"[...] a variety from Rush to Talk Talk (!) to David Bowie[...]" Hopefully it's one of those albums that require more listens to show their whole beauty. In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit, we're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:58:00 -0500 From: marshallm@juno.com (Mike Marshall) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT's Last Tour? Message-ID: <19980622.165804.20686.0.marshallm@juno.com>
"Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> writes: > >Hey, gang. I happened to see this, and i thougt i'd bring it to > >>DREAM THEATER's Mike Portnoy told London's Rock Radio Network >>yesterday that the band's current tour with Deep Purple and ELP may be their >>last. > now, what got me was the "...may be their last." Is DT trying to >tell >us that this tour is going to be their last?
Wow. No exclamation point, as in surprised. Wow, as in stunned nearly-silent.
I hope this has been taken out of context (not by Syrinx, but RRN).
DT's last tour *ever*? Talk about major suckage. We can all say it;
MAJOR SUCKAGE!!!
DT no longer touring but recording, maybe? I guess I'll have to take what I can get...
The last leg of DT's tour in support of FII? While it would be great for us if the tour never ended (hey, I only got to see them twice this time around :) ), I'm sure they'd like to stay at home for a while, write/record another kick-ass album, and wow us with another string of live performances of over-the-top music. I sincerely hope that's what this means...
I don't know how often MP gets to check his mail when he's across the pond. Maybe he can confirm/deny this, if he feels like it...I'm sure we'd all like to know.
M.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:49:51 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: double CD jewel cases? Message-ID: <358EDF8F.FE317489@home.com>
Where can I find double CD jewel cases? Anywhere on the 'net?
Preferably the style where the LINER goes in front, as opposed to a seperate 2nd front cover liner.
I'm not looking to buy them in any big bulk amount (I'm not a bootlegger.... don't need 200 or anything), I just need some for boots I've bought that didn't come with them (Lords of Sound, Mind Control).
Thanks, - Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:45:54 -0500 From: marshallm@juno.com (Mike A Marshall) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Never mind (was: DT Tour No More?) Message-ID: <19980622.174605.18606.0.marshallm@juno.com>
Never mind. After checking several times, and finally hitting 'reload', I saw the message...damn browser cache!
It had me worried though. Stranger things have happened...
M.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:51:56 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: info on CDs...... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980622194256.16487A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Chris Groves wrote:
> Also, if you have the new CD by Stuck Mojo, I'd greatly appreciate you > contacting me, as I need some info about this CD as well!
Stuck Mojo? Stuck Mojo?! Stuck MOJO!?!?! Isn't Stuck Mojo that rap-meets-industrial-with-punk-mixed-with-alternative-metal-wannabe band? :-) Don't know anything about them. :-) Seriously, I think that "Pigwalk" is interesting, but it's not exactly my cup of tea... I prefer Renaissance. :-)
Anyway, you can check out their new CD probably on Century Media's site: <www.centurymedia.com>. Those lazy asses are very slow updating their site and they've raised their prices, but they've got also some damn cool bands. And it seems that Stuck Mojo, being apparently from the States, gets most of their attention, meaning that they are one of the few bands on CM that get to tour a little.
> Seeya! > > Chris Groves.
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:47:07 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rock Radio Network/touring confusion Message-ID: <01BD9E48.D82E7880@60.dialin.mxs.nl>
I added this to "Under A Cyber Moon" earlier today but thought I'd better post it on the list too... _____
Rock Radio Network/touring confusion
Those of you familiar with London's Rock Radio Network and their mailinglist, have probably read the following 'news item' :
"DREAM THEATER's Mike Portnoy told London's Rock Radio Network yesterday that the band's current tour with Deep Purple and ELP may be their last. In addition to 20 North American dates, the band are playing a one-off "semi-acoustic" Fan Club-only gig of old, new & cover tunes in Rotterdam on Monday and a special 2 set, 3 hour-plus gig in Paris on Thursday, both of which will be recorded by Kevin Shirley for a new live album and possible home video for release in the fall..." Please do not panic or email Mike Portnoy about this. As it turns out, Rock Radio Network misunderstood Mike. The "final dates" he mentioned to them, are simply the final dates (as in 'confirmed') for the DT/ELP/DP tour and final dates for the current Dream Theater tour (not final EVER!). _____
Mike already informed RRN of the misunderstanding, so there's no need to email them about this...
More details on the fanclub concert later! (too tired now)
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 06-22-1998
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:51:18 -0400 From: "Andrew Garinger" <agaringer@siweb.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tiles Message-ID: <002501bd9e41$08381d40$37f14bcf@old1.msu.edu>
For those of you who are interested, Tiles is hard at work on a = third album. Hugh Syme of Rush fame is doing the artwork and Terry = Brown, also of Rush fame, is mixing for the second time. Mixing begins = next month! I'll update the list when I get a copy of the post-mix = album... Anyone else psyched?
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:19:43 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: last tour.....??? Message-ID: <358F02AF.E3CC2C0@home.com>
> DREAM THEATER's Mike Portnoy told London's Rock Radio Network that the > band's current tour with DEEP PURPLE and ELP may be their last.
What's up with this? I'm assuming it's a misquote or something. Perhaps, it should be something like "last shows of their current tour"?
- Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:33:37 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: George Lucas wrote another Bahr Wars Trilogy? Message-ID: <003401bd9e46$fc3b83a0$140d84d0@korgx3>
> Please Mike, spare us your put-upon whining. You're by FAR the least >reliable boot dealer in this particular market (DT, Rush, etc) and >apparently Skadz has had some first-hand problems with you. He's allowed
C'mon, c'mon, c'mon! You all read Skadz last post! Double standards or no Skadz basically said, "no more heated Mike Bahr discussion on the jam." Let's adhere to that. It's very noble for you to stick up for Skadz, but I really don't think he needs it. :) All he has to do is k-line Mr. Bahr if he wanted.
And Mike, you say you're not allowed to post as a fan anymore without starting a riot? I call bullshit there, pal, cuz alot of your posts seem to turn into plugs for your business. That's what causes the riots. You're last post about bootlegs and quality and such was real cool, coming from Mike the DT fan, and not Mr. Bahr the CD salesman. I think many people on this list still like Mike the DT fan. I know I do.
>like. Now, I gota deal with graphics that make no sense. Lynx may be >obsolete, but it never crashes. Can you say that about your precious >graphical multimedia browsers? i can't. Long live Lynx.
You know, I never actually thought about it this way. It makes sense though. Frames have gotta kill text readers.
>IaW: MASTERPIECE (except that cheesy song with the musak)
Bah. I like Another Day. heheh. I could always be petty and make fun of you since you don't know the names of the songs, but I won't. :)
~KorgX3 takes Ben Lassaude's pants off.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:33:45 EDT From: Devs0432@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: central park Message-ID: <1a4c620c.358f140a@aol.com>
>hmm...guitar wizard, free show in central park, 3 days before dp/elp/dt. >sounds like a nice concert warm up......anyone else interested?
That definitely sounds like a cool idea. I will have to see if I can get a car so we can head into the city, but that might not be a bad idea!! Hit the city for a free concert, and then some DT. I like!!
Alex
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bye Bye Dream Theater! (fwd) Message-ID: <199806230236.TAA07677@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
This is from the Van Halen list.
>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:28:42 +1000 >Reply-To: vanhalen@sonic.net >To: VHML <vanhalen@sonic.net> >Subject: Re: Bye Bye Dream Theater(Non VH) > >> DREAM THEATER's Mike Portnoy told London's Rock Radio Network that the >> band's current tour with DEEP PURPLE and ELP may be their last. > >Damn! Please tell me this isn't true! I've only just gotten into Dream >Theater (I just bought Falling Into Infinity to complete my collection), >and for the band to break up now would just suck!
For those of you keeping track, I said from the outset that if FII didn't sell better than Awake that they would either have to go to an indy label or call it quits, because East/West Atlantic would drop them. It would be a shame to see it all come to an end, but I'd rather see them give it up then compromise anymore than they already did with FII.
Scott
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Scott Brosius chat Message-ID: <199806230240.TAA11815@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
For all you fans of the 1998 World Champion New York Yankees. :) >From: NYYankees <NYYankees@um1.unitymail.com> >Subject: Scott Brosius chat >Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:15:41 -0500
>HI FANS! > >Tomorrow, June 23, at 3:15 p.m. stop by www.yankees.com for Scott Brosius Chat! > >This is your chance to ask the Yankees' starting third baseman what it is >really like to play baseball in New York, what his most memorable moment from >this season is so far, or even what his favorite ice cream flavor is (it's >chocolate chip cookie dough!). > >Tell your fellow Yankee fans to drop by yankees.com tomorrow at 3:15 to get in >on the action. There will be a link to broadcast.com at the bottom of the home >page. > >YANKEES CHAT is brought to you by the New York Yankees and broadcast.com. > >Go Yankees!
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:06:39 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: hehe. html... and BLUE Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980623000639.00798b10@pop3.afn.org>
>>Oh, and I FUCKING HATE posts with HTML. In fact, I also hate those >>FUCKING web pages composed by those "canned" programs which only show with
>Hehe. I have to disagree there. I use Lynx myself very frequently on my >shell accounts, but I find writing 100% Lynx compatible web pages >incredibly limiting. No Java(Script), no DHTML, no advanced formatting, no >frames (AFAIK). The Web is _far_ too advanced these days for a text-
Who here keeps Javascript turned off? I know I do. Freaking consoles and other BS. Frames? Maybe 10% of sites with frames have a legitimate use for it.
Frankly, it doesn't take a lot of work to write html that can be useful for any browsers, but the one step this takes, obviously, is WRITING the html. Which few people do.
One thing I think everyone can agree on is HTML does not belong in email or Usenet.
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>being netcast (Sunday evening). Later, when I went to the site to see if >they were downloadable, they were nowhere to be found. What gives? Does >it take the site managers weeks to put concerts in the archive section, or >am I missing something here? Someone please fill me in.
It takes weeks, if they do it at all (which often for the type of concerts that prog and good music fans listen to means no, you will never hear it).
"So you thought that your bolts and your locks would keep me out. You should have known better after all this time. You're going to pay in blood for all your vicious slander.... Let the blood flow." -- Fish -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:33:34 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Last Tour Message-ID: <199806230436.VAA03718@cats.ucsc.edu>
I think they mean last tour before going back and recording some more ...
~Chris
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | ./__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> To: "The Spock's Beard Mailing List" <THOUGHTS@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM> Subject: Baltimore ProgRock Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980623004209.27698B-100000@copland.udel.edu>
The rumor is that Baltimore Maryland is a hot bed for prog rock, and prog rock cd shops. I'm going down there on Wednesday and I'm looking to do some shopping. Anyone have any ideas?
Andrew Miller ytsejam@Udel.Edu
np-Songs in the Key of Springfield
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:55:37 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ICED EARTH Message-ID: <358F3549.289A0069@home.com>
> The vocals are very rough, very heavy, and very powerful , but nowhere near the cookie-monster > growlings of death metal. The lyrics are equally brutal and violent, not for the faint of heart. I would > describe their compositional style as classic metal influenced American power metal; they are really only > mildlyprogressive.
I picked up Iced Earth's "The Dark Saga" today. I do find it to be pretty good..... definitely VERY HEAVY (heavier than the stuff I'm used to listening to). I think I'll like this disc alot once I get used to the growly vocals (the singer has a surprisingly nice voice on the non-growly passages, too.)
- Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:00:32 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Chroma Key Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980623000032.007f75b0@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
hey, this is a quick note for those who didnt know...Im uploading some MP3s each week into my homepage, I have uploaded the 60's, 70's and this week the 80's medley, check them out....I also have the complete medley on a Real Audio file (around 4 megs) I think the MP3 are better quality but you can check the real audio file if you dont want to download the whole medley in MP3, also by tomorrow I should have a online broadcast link for the medley so you wont have to download it...I will be uploading some more stuff soon as the version of Staying Alive that Dweezil recorded with Ozzy and a song that Dweezil recorded with Lisa Loeb and Ahmet Zappa....Im going to be uploading stuff from other bands so it may take some time....if someone want to upload old files into their website it's ok for me, let the music be heard.
take care.
for those who want to subscribe to the Dweezil Zappa mailing list email perrotto@bellsouth.net for more info or go to: http://www.acc.umu.se/~lindgren/Beef/beef.html to see what it's all about, thanks. --- Alan Estrada Adler ICQ #9267174
MP3 of the week - "80's medley" by Dweezil Zappa and Mike Keneally at: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025 Shredder's Lair: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/
Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:46:28 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lynx bashing <sigh> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980623014628.0094b290@mindspring.com>
Damon whined...
>world. Blind people deserve access, too. So take your frames, dhtml, >graphics and other nice goodies, and fuck them. I hate people with your >mindset. These are the people who believe that everything should be >associated with pictures because we are too lazy to read. Or maybe we >can't read because the school system pushed us through.
This is the most off base drivel I've seen on this list in quite some time - and that's saying quite a bit. :) The original post had absolutely nothing to do with blindness - only about using a text based browser. What's wrong with my mindset? I never said blind people didn't deserve access. In fact, I said absolutely nothing about blind people. If I'm writing a web page I'm going to use every tool available to me to make it something that I really like and enjoy. If that means alienating 1/1000th of the population (and probably far less of the net-going population) than so be it. If I have time I'll make the watered-down version for text based browsers, but there are so few out there (and most people that DO use Lynx at least have access to a graphical browser) that it's just a pretty low priority. The web was developed as a graphical/visual information medium for the internet. It's getting more advanced everyday and keeping it in 100% text-viewable form would be unbelievably limiting to the author. Should I not continue my radio show because deaf people can't hear it? Should I not watch TV because blind people can't see it? I'd really hope you'd answer "no" to both of those questions. The best (or worst, depending on your POV) part of this message is the accusation that I (and apparently all people who develop grapical web pages as well) am too lazy (or unable) to read. I'm sorry - what am I doing now? That's right - reading and writing to a mailing list. No graphics, no java, no html (if we can avoid it) - just plain text. You have to be able to read to use the 'net - there's just no way around it. Please think before you write such assinine posts. Sorry about this Skadz (and the rest of the 'Jam). It's totally off topic and I won't be following up any further replies (especially if they try to twist words like Damon's did).
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967 http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________
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