YTSEJAM Digest 4001
Today's Topics:
1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 3986
by "BePe" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
2) Re: Iced Earth
by Joe Kruger <joekruger@yahoo.com>
3) vernon reid- mark it on your calendar if you happen to be in nyc
by Thrak75@aol.com
4) Re: DeGarmo
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
5) info on CDs......
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
6) Re: Banjo Tuning
by "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
7) Re: Iced Earth
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
8) Re: Fan club gig tonight
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
9) BG
by Devs0432@aol.com
10) Re: Skadz' Post
by Adam Pye <alpineone@mindspring.com>
11) DT/DP/ELP tickets on sale
by RushLLP@aol.com
12) martyrs
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
13) Say it ain't so!!!
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
14) Re: administrivia
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
15) Re: HTML
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3999
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
17) various stuff
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:31:59 +0100 (MET)
From: "BePe" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3986
Message-ID: <48722.s432342@popserver.tue.nl>
> Q: How many internet mail list discussion group subscribers does it take
> to change a light bulb?
>
> A: 1,331:
>
> 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light
> bulb has been changed
[snip]
and don't forget the 100 to send this same joke to the mail list over and
over again...
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 04:54:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Kruger <joekruger@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Iced Earth
Message-ID: <19980622115425.3174.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>
Do you consider Kill 'Em All, Ride The Lightning, and Master of Puppets
the best three albums ever made? Is these your favorite Metallica
albums? Do you hate new Metallica? Have you been bored with
everything that they have done since AJFA? Do you think that they've
lost their edge?
If the answer to any of these is yes, then Iced Earth might be the band
for you.
Iced Earth captures all the speed, intensity, and raw integrity of early
Metallica and mixes it with superb musicianship and excellent vocals.
The guitar work on their CDs is phenomenal, with rhythmic riff-work
that surpasses Hetfield. The rotating drummer position has always been
filled with guys who take Lars' brutal, assaulting style and combine it
with the ability to actually play double bass. The vocals are very
rough,
very heavy, and very powerful , but nowhere near the cookie-monster
growlings of death metal. The lyrics are equally brutal and violent -
not
for the faint of heart. I would describe their compositional style as
classic
metal influenced American power metal; they are really only mildly
progressive.
I recommend Burnt Offerings, The Dark Saga, and Days of Purgatory very
highly. Night of the Stormrider and the self-titled debut are decent,
but suffer from mediocre vocals and poor production.
Serious metal heads check them out at http://www.icedearth.com.
==
Joe Kruger
joekruger@yahoo.com
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:55:39 EDT
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com, HseJackBlt@aol.com
Subject: vernon reid- mark it on your calendar if you happen to be in nyc
Message-ID: <232712e8.358e625c@aol.com>
"8/6 (thursday), 8:30, at central park summerstage
LINTON KWESI JOHNSON
TRACIE JOHNSON with VERNON REID
Revered as reggae's preeminent dub poet, LKJ presents political and social
commentary a cappella. Fusing werdz 'n muse(sic), performance poet Morris
debuts a collaboration with guitar experimentalist Reid."
hmm...guitar wizard, free show in central park, 3 days before dp/elp/dt.
sounds like a nice concert warm up......anyone else interested?
and g. jack-phat-in-da-house-aww-yeah: got your message yesterday but was
dloading very large file. sorry couldn't respond and thanks much (be looking
for it).
wild koba
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david y. kobayashi
new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
"i'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints." -on the wall at
tripwire's
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:12:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DeGarmo
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980622100206.31706A-100000@archa11.cc.uga.edu>
On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 Andy wrote:
>
> There is a large group of people (ok maybe not large) who think that
> Queensryche best material was there newest. Granted, I love Mindcrime
> just like the rest of 'em, but to me it seemed like there where useing it
> like a crutch. The last two albums (In my opinion) were way to strong to
> still be playing 75% of Mindcrime live. Granted I did like what they did
> with Mindcrime of the Promised Land tour (the two stories went together
> real well), but they skipped a lot of key songs last tour just to play
> Mindcrime stuff.
>
> The label seemed to lose interest shortly after the album came out. All
> the promotion was payed for by the band, and the as for the tour. The
> label didn't even do a ticket buy for guests or radio, like they did for
> the last tour. Degarmo new the plane was going down, and he grabed a
> parachute.
Um gee maybe it had something to do with the label going under shortly
after the album came out. That's why Sign of the Times was huge on radio
but the album didn't sell crap; they suddenly had no more promotion. And
to my knowledge the Virgin thing was never official; after EMI's demise
they received several offers (according to them anyway) but haven't signed
yet; they're contemplating starting their own label (like someone already
said in here). /me waits with high hopes and baited breath for the new
album...
BTW that sucks about Nick Menza, wow...
And Dirty Work rules if you like Norm; go see it (2x so far for me)...
As for DTC: I like them.
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Album Currently Playing: Conception--In Your Multitude
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Matt Smith "We say revolution...
ktulu@arches.uga.edu With a cast-iron fist"
-Mustaine
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:21:46 +1000
From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: info on CDs......
Message-ID: <l03020901b254fd22bbc2@[131.217.133.104]>
With the release of this Explorer's Club CD ("Age of Impact"?) by Magna
Carta, if someone who owns this CD could contact me, I'd greatly appreciate
them being able to help with information I need for my Testament
discography.....
Also, if you have the new CD by Stuck Mojo, I'd greatly appreciate you
contacting me, as I need some info about this CD as well!
Seeya!
Chris Groves.
cdgroves@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au
"And you hate me.... because of my lazy eye"
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:38:03 -0800
From: "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Banjo Tuning
Message-ID: <C7EA264064ACD011BE4500805FC1DCA101A6271B@SATURN.nt.data-io.com>
Al,
pbbbbbbbthtpbhtpbhtpbtbph ~~d:
(sorry damon)
(:
-= norg =-
Al, if you even remotely want to get a chance to hear banjo in a
less-than-deliverance mode, check out Moxy Fruvous.
on a completely side note, has anyone else on the list ever experienced
Moxy Fruvous? (:
]From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: YTSELAND <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re:Banjo Tuning
IMHO, the best way to "tune" a banjo is to drop an accordion on it!
]From a really high place. Sorry, every time I hear a banjo I can't
help
thinking about the "woods" scene in Deliverance. Can you squeal like a
pig?
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE ProgtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.htm
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Iced Earth Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980622083555.28671A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Pam Doise wrote:
> >Matt Johnston wrote: > >> Dark Saga is very good -- only one truly cheesy track in the bunch. > >What song would that be? Probably my favorite one: I Died for You. It's >one of the few ballads they've done. Everyone describes Iced Earth as >death metal, but don't be put off by that. They sound similar to >Savatage, so if you are a 'tage head, like I am, you might find >something there you like. :)
No, it was Depths of Hell -- or whatever one that the lyrics *weren't* written by IE. Suckage for lyrics, but the music was repetitive. ^_^ I Died For You is my fav song as well (followed closely by the Huntress of Hunter or whatever Track 4 is called -- I've been away from it too long)
--Matt
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:37:55 -0500 From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fan club gig tonight Message-ID: <358E7A53.7947@auburn.net>
]From: Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl> > See some of you guys at the DT Fanclub gig tonight :-)
Yeah, yeah, yeah ;) Just make sure you fill us in on some juicy details from the show.
The first 15:00 of my ACoS midi are done...now for the last 8.
Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:44:54 EDT From: Devs0432@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: BG Message-ID: <4d5dc731.358e7bf8@aol.com>
>PS. Anyone who is the slightest bit partial to any of Blind Guardian's stuff, MUST >get the new one, 'Nightfall In Middle Earth' - superb disc!
I highly recomment this CD. I just got it from CDnow recently, and it kicks some serious ass. Great, big, metal sound, and awesome vocal harmonies. I'm about halfway through listening to it, and have not been disappointed in a song on the first listen yet. Buy it now!!
And to those who know more of their stuff...there are so many other albums out there by BG, I was wondering what should I get first after "Nightfall..."?
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:50:26 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Skadz' Post Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980622115026.0097f970@mindspring.com>
The latest Mike Bahr drivel:
>Oh, nice double standard there, Ryan. Real nice. Bogie can be late on >shit and nobody gives him a second thought, but if Mike Bahr is late, >let the flogging begin!
Please Mike, spare us your put-upon whining. You're by FAR the least reliable boot dealer in this particular market (DT, Rush, etc) and apparently Skadz has had some first-hand problems with you. He's allowed to post his personal opinions as much as anyone else. Note that he said "(same goes for anyone else selling merch)" when writing on this topic. You were singled out because it seems every week or so at least one person has to go through the public forum just to get his email replied to. Plus, when Bogie (from what I've been told) is late on an order, we're talking a month - not a year+. Slight difference there...
>What would you all rather I do, shoot the shit with you via e-mail, >or fulfill your order?
You're so full of shit it's unbelievable. And you call Skadz hypocritical. People have commented when you write to the Jam that you should be making CDs instead of posting. You've always asserted that writing email/posting doesn't affect your CD burning because you have multiple computers and not all of them make CDs. Now you're coming back and saying that if you read/write email your production will be slowed down? I've always been _far_ more than fair with you Bahr, and used to be one of your biggest supporters on the 'Jam, but even after I got my order last week (and only 17 months after I ordered too!) your constant lying and whining about how persecurted you are still bothers me.
Just think - if you actually got your CDs out the door in even a somewhat reasonably timely fashion you wouldn't have to deal with all this. People don't care about your personal problems. People don't care about excuses. People want the product they paid for months ago and haven't seen yet. And since they haven't seen them yet they want some sort of status report. Is it gonna be a week, a month, a year and a half? There's another way to deal with this problem on the 'Jam - answer your damned emails.
I apologize for this post since I've contributed way too much to Bahr-flaming wars in the past (it wont happen again), but I'll tell you this - I couldn't get him to answer my private emails for months but when I started talking about it in a public forum I got a reply in a damned hurry. Only on the third time did I actually get my CDs, but it's been the most effective (and only) way I have had to get this clown to answer me. Caveat emptor.
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967 http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:11:30 EDT From: RushLLP@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT/DP/ELP tickets on sale Message-ID: <495d8434.358e8233@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-22 08:34:08 EDT, you write:
> but more importantly, when the hell do tickets go on sale for this show? > They were supposed to be up for grabs on saturday but they weren't.... nor > sunday... Anyone know? I want my DT tickets!
They go on sale NEXT Saturday, the 27th... I already put my order in for 3 front loge tix from a philly phriend of mine... I think it's time we start thinking about a Ytse-get-together, especially if this "may be their last tour"...
Only 50 days and counting!!! :) :) :) :) I already warned everybody at work that this was going to be all I would talk about up UNTIL the concert, and all I would talk about for months AFTER the concert... heh..
--Matthew Put a tagline here or something.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: martyrs Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980622115540.16344A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Mike Bahr remarks: > Skadz writes.. > > seventh, this is not the get in touch with mike bahr and > > publically put him down forum. If you can't get in touch with Mike, > > call him, I know his phone number is somewhere on one of his pages (or > > at least used to be) or email him until he answers. Though, I will > > NEVER buy a CD from Mike again, this is not the place to try and get > > in touch with him. (same goes for anyone else selling merch) > > Oh, nice double standard there, Ryan. Real nice. Bogie can be late on > shit and nobody gives him a second thought, but if Mike Bahr is late, > let the flogging begin! At least from you personally; you say as much in > your post!! (I wish I had quoted that part) "I know both are late, but > I'll vouch for Bogie, and fuck that asshole Mike Bahr".
Quit playing the martyr, Mike. Read Skadz's post again, you must have missed the part that said "This is not the get in touch with Mike Bahr and publicly put him down forum". Skadz is trying to keep the "so and so, mail me" stuff to a minimum. He said nothing about your lateness and he made no insults to you. Last line: "Same goes for anyone else selling merch". Yes, that includes Bogie as well.
> But late is late. If you're gonna let it slide for Nick, that's fine, > but you gotta let it slide for me, AND Ryan W., and John D., etc etc > etc. or else you're just being a hypocritical bastard. And you know > better than that.
Maybe he *is* letting it slide for you too. He said nothing *about* lateness in his remarks about you. Here's the relevant stuff about Bogie:
> eigth, bogie. (/me watches nick cringe) I can vouch for this > kid until I am blue in the face. I know he is late on some shipments > right now, but all the reasons he is giving people are completely > true. I know he dissed going out with me on a number of occasions because > of finals and stuff, so don't worry, he isn't stiffing you, he is > working on it as quickly as he can.
So, when we paraphrase the remarks about you and the ones about Bogie, we get the following.
Mike: "Don't use the 'jam to get in touch with Mike, this isn't the place."
Bogie: "He's late with some stuff, true, but give him a chance."
I fail to see how the two are related; perhaps somebody can enlighten me.
For the record: I've dealt with Mike Bahr once. I got my discs within a month. I'm fine with his service and his product quality. But I too am getting sick of seeing people mail the 'jam and say that Mike Bahr won't answer their emails, and I'm getting more sick of Mike taking offense at remarks that weren't intended to be offensive.
Ta, Phil
======================================================================= Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Tech Support Manager, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "I never should have written all those tank programs." -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron" Currently playing: Glass Hammer -- "Journey of the Dunadan"
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:13:52 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Say it ain't so!!! Message-ID: <358E90D0.7C84DDD0@imap1.asu.edu>
I just found this on the hardradio.com site:
DREAM THEATER's Mike Portnoy told London's Rock Radio Network that the band's current tour with DEEP PURPLE and ELP may be their last. In addition to 20 North American dates, the band are playing a one-off "semi-acoustic" Fan Club-only gig of old, new and cover tunes in Rotterdam and a special 2 set, 3 hour-plus gig in Paris, both of which will be recorded by Kevin Shirley for a new live album and possible home video for release in the fall. --------
Portnoy, is this true?! No more DT tours? Throwing in the towel? {8^(
~Eckie sighs
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:28:31 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: administrivia Message-ID: <358E943F.51A93F56@imap1.asu.edu>
Ryan P. Skadberg wrote: > fifth, i have seen some people lately sending little one-line > funnies to the jam. STOP. Every once in a while is fine, but I am > seeing some names in almost evcery jam and all they are sending is > little jokes. Lets try and keep this to the purpose of the list. I > don't mind it here and there, but its getting ridiculous. if you > contribute to regular threads alot and just HAVE to send a one-liner, > fine, but don't make it your normal posting.
I'm cool with that.
~Eckie got kicked off the Megadeth list 'cuz of his one-liners....
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: HTML Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980622134305.14090A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
To the lynx basher, I have to publicly say this. You may knock text only pagesm, but to some of us, we like text only pages. They load faster. First and foremost. Also, as a blind person, and there is another blind person on this list who can back me up, lynx sometimes is our only option. Yeah, it doesn't support frames, but I have used frames pages anyway. Internet explorer does not work well for the blind, yet. Netscape is totally out of the question. So, at least for me, lynx is my only option. I use windows 95 with speech access, meaning the computer reads to me. The graphics you love so much will isolate a small, but viable segment of the world. Blind people deserve access, too. So take your frames, dhtml, graphics and other nice goodies, and fuck them. I hate people with your mindset. These are the people who believe that everything should be associated with pictures because we are too lazy to read. Or maybe we can't read because the school system pushed us through. I can read, I rad braille, and I love to read. It is sometimes the only option I have. It is bad enough that I don't have the access to printed material that I would like. Now, I gota deal with graphics that make no sense. Lynx may be obsolete, but it never crashes. Can you say that about your precious graphical multimedia browsers? i can't. Long live Lynx.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3999 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980622135159.14090B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
To Mike Bahr, I haven't been to your site in a while, but it seems to be fine in Lynx.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:23:10 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: various stuff Message-ID: <01bd9e0a$cf605360$3321c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
first:
about this debate about lynx support vs. frames, java, etc... i write and maintain a rush web page, and i feel it's important to be able to support the people who are still using lynx or netscape 1.0 for example. thus, i have two pages: one with frames and tables (but no java because i think most java is just for the "gimmick" factor), and one "barebones." i believe, since the web is an OPEN medium, that it is important to accomadate all browsers, platforms, or creeds. I am an equal opportunity web author.
no more political correctness...
awake:
i never really got into this album until this morning, when i had an epiphany with it: it kicks ass! now i can safely say i like all dt albums:
WDaDU: well, I don't have this one.... IaW: MASTERPIECE (except that cheesy song with the musak) Awake: almost as good, love Caught in a Web, Erotomania, Voices, The Mirror, Lie, Scarred, Space-Dye Vest aCoS: another personal favorite--amazing! FII: it's not as bad as everyone says; i can dig most of it, especially Lines in the Sand...
ciao, Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/ "Sometimes a view from sinless eyes Centers our perspective And pacifies our cries Sometimes the anguish we survive And the mysteries we nurture Are the fabrics of our lives." -Dream Theater ------------------------------------- "So many things I think about When I look far away Things I know - Things I wonder Things I'd like to say The more we think we know about The greater the unknown We suspend our disbelief And we are not alone." -Rush ------------------------------------- "I will wear your white feather I will carry your white flag I will swear I have no nation But I'm proud to own my heart." -Marillion (Fish)
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