YTSEJAM Digest 4007
Today's Topics:
1) Dream Theater expericences
by "Nafe, Tim" <tnafe@BestBuy.com>
2) Rotterdam Fan Club Show official set-list
by Portnoy420@aol.com
3) Re: Material?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
4) Re: Rotterdam Fan Club Show official set-list
by Alex Fraser <id@dreamt.org>
5) Dave Mathews Band DT reference
by krackley@weidmuller.com
6) Re: Material? ..and some more of my nipples (c)
by Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
7) The Tiles
by Rich Rochelle <Rich.Rochelle@asu.edu>
8) The Tiles, Pt II
by Rich Rochelle <Rich.Rochelle@asu.edu>
9) Van halen song in Rotterdam
by Henri Serton <hserton@worldonline.nl>
10) Wait For Sleep???? What form?
by JE78674@ltu.edu
11) Re: Blindness
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
12) Re: keyboardists opinions needed
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
13) Re: keyboardists opinions needed
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
14) Re: Blindness and being more politically correct.
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
15) Re: WAAAAHHHHH!!!
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
16) Re: Blindness and being more politically correct.
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
17) looking for a jpm by ibanez
by Ronda Roach <moe@wworld.com>
18)
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:56:22 -0500
From: "Nafe, Tim" <tnafe@BestBuy.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater expericences
Message-ID: <3CBB14EE9DB4D111B21100805FA7195202772A@cs01_exchange>
I just thought I would send in my experiences leading up to realizing
the sheer brilliance of
the band I love. I would love to hear how others came to know and love
DT as well.
I went to college in the mid 80's and followed all types of heavy metal,
Tesla, Queensryche
Metallica, Skid Row, Bon Jovi, and all the other popular metal bands
during that time period. I
was intrigued about a "new" band called Dream Theater. The radio
stations played PMU quite
a bit, so I purchased I&W on cassette. I never really went past that
song and passed them off as a
1 hit type of band. I didn't get into the rest of the songs on the
cassette. In my job, I came across
a pre-release version of Awake. I listened to it but again at the time
it wasn't my cup of tea.
A year or so later, I came across a pre-release version of ACOS.
Something must
have happened in my musical tastes or there was a calling of sorts which
drew me to this music. I absolutely loved this song. I listened to it
day and night, non-stop. These guys were amazing. I went back to I&W
and Awake and was again amazed. How did I miss this before. I waited
and waited and waited (like everyone else) for FII to finally be
released. I instantly love the cd. I saw them in concert at 1st Avenue
in Minneapolis in November. They were incredible! I also was able to
meet them. I thought I had died and went to heaven! I can't wait to
see them in August with Deep Purple
-DT Fan for Life
Tim
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit, we're dying
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lines in the Sand by Dream Theater
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:20:58 EDT
From: Portnoy420@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rotterdam Fan Club Show official set-list
Message-ID: <4ee195f0.35910b4b@aol.com>
Hey All,
Just to set the record straight:
Dream Theater - Fan Club show in Rotterdam - June 22nd 1998
Speak To Me.
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (with new Intro).
Hey You (Pink Floyd)
The Silent Man (Electric version)
To Live Forever (with extended jam & excerpt of Lines In The Sand)
Cover My Eyes (Acoustic version)
Another Day (only Acoustic Gtr, vocals and soprano sax)
Take Away My Pain (Acoustic band version with additional Alto sax)
Wait For Sleep (original version - piano & vocal only)
Excerpts of Mean Streets (Van Halen)
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (Elton John)
Eve
Anna Lee
Carpe Diem (with vocals by Mike & James)
Hollow Years
Excerpt of Paradigm Shift (Liquid Tension Experiment)
The Way It Used To Be
Bad (U2)
----(encore - which was NOT planned)
Peruvian Skies (excerpts of Have A Cigar by Pink Floyd & Enter Sandman by
Metallica)
The Silent Man (Electric Version - Take 2)
Trial of Tears
It was a very special evening for all of us.
Thanks to everybody that attended and also to the Theater of Dreams guys
(Roots & Denis) as well as all the other fan club dudes.
It was all captured on tape (beautifully, I must add) by Kevin Shirley for the
forthcoming Live album.
A film crew was there as well, so hopefully we will be able to include it on
another possible long-form home video....
Tomorrow, we will also record & film the "extra long DT extravaganza" in Paris
(3 hrs, 4 hrs???) for the live album & possible home video....
I'll post a set list list for that in the days following the gig...
Carpe Diem,
Mike Portnoy
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:16:01 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Material?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980624121158.8525A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Mauricio Martinez Villarreal wrote:
blah blah blah about music not being material
> What do you jammers think about this?
Of course, music is an intellectual property, like a book itself
is (think about it: you don't own a book, but only a copy of it, in the
very same way you don't own a software, or music).
In a more detailed fashion: you own the medium that carries that
intellectual property, but you don't own the intellectual work itself.
Only the author does.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:19:29 +0000 From: Alex Fraser <id@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rotterdam Fan Club Show official set-list Message-ID: <01IYM0HA7LYU91VY9W@carleton.edu>
Greetings Jam-lickers,
> Dream Theater - Fan Club show in Rotterdam - June 22nd 1998
Ok, here's a thought. Wouldn't this show in and of itself make a great video? And here's the pitch to sell it to the record company - think about how many bands break by releasing an acoustic version of one of their songs. The Black Crowes didn't really get huge until they released that video version of "She talks to angels"... Tesla got huge publicity for that video version of "Signs"... so wouldn't it stand to reason that releasing a video version of "Take away my pain" (or hell, maybe even "Bad") would do wonders for our boys? Plus, the video footage is already shot, so production costs would be lower than for a normal video (I'm assuming). It might be a great way to get "the masses" turned on to DT. And besides, given the fact that there's an existing strong fan base, it's not like the video won't sell enough to be profitable even if any singles from it aren't hits. Just my 2 pence.
What do you think, sirs? peace, id
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:35:40 -0400 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: Dave Mathews Band DT reference Message-ID: <199806241535.LAA00101@mail.weidmuller.com>
This is an article about the new Dave Mathews Band album in SPIN magazine. See if you notice the ACOS reference.
While "Don't Drink the Water" reveals a newfound declarative power, "Pig" offers the fullest realization of the most enduring theme in Dave Matthews's oeuvre-what he refers to as his "seize-the-day songs." This gather-ye-rosebuds-while-ye-may trope goes back to the first album's DMB army battle cry "Tripping Billies," with its chorus "Eat drink and be merry / For tomorrow we'll die." But on "Pig" he manages something surprisingly stirring and eloquent, with buoyant dynamics and William Blake-esque lyrics like "Looking at blood...deep and sweet within / Pouring through our veins...moving wine to tears." "The earlier records were more Lollipop Guild," deadpans Matthews. "This record is more Oompa Loompa."
Thought that was interesting.
Kevin Rackley http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/Amythyst
"And I try to burn the world With words I cannot say Don't you wish I had better things for you I know it's not enough to play The games have all become a myriad Of tears and who's to blame No one's lead you to the promised land But you weren't lead astray" - Amythyst
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:36:27 +0200 From: Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Material? ..and some more of my nipples (c) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980624173514.0068f614@mail.muc.de>
Hi there,
I'll try to cover a few points here:
Mauricio Martinez Villarreal wrote: [..] >I know that music cd s are something "material"......but what it contains >(music), is oftentimes very "spiritual".....therefore, i kinda think that >most of the cds in my collection (or every cd out there for that matter) >are "spiritual" goods, instead of material things. Exactly! Every time somebody sees my CD-collection, they pity me for my "materialism". Sure there is some satisfaction in buying new stuff, BUT mainly for the joy of hearing/feeling new music! I consider my CDs the soundtrack of my life, and so my collection is something like a photo-album to me, full of memories and feelings.
ICED EARTH: If you like Metal (with a capital M!) check them out. Days of Purgatory might be a good start, as it is a best-of kind of 2 CD set, but rerecorded and done by their current singer. I just received their new CD "something wicked..", can't say too much about it yet, they still rock hard and did not wimp out like so many others did...
STATIC PROGRESS by Open All Night Records: I received my copy (#12) last week. Just the facts: Great sound for a bootleg; song-selection is medium-good (I miss some rarities..); packaging is great, I really like the artwork; Service/turnaround time is un-f*cking-believable. A good one - I'll be in the line for the next offerings from OAN.
Get the new Monster Magnet - Powertrip great sound for BBQ and/or getting stoned.
read you - jerry :--) NP: Tragically Hip - Fully completely
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:55:50 -0700 (MST) From: Rich Rochelle <Rich.Rochelle@asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Tiles Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980624085025.17938A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
Hello Ytsejammers,
I have not posted here in ages, but I thought I could help on something. Anyway, I know just a little about the Tiles. I heard it all from someone else, so this all may not be 100% accurate. They are from Detroit, I believe, and they have at least one album. It is on the label Standing Pavement. I'm not sure of the title, though (self titled maybe?).
Anyhow, if there are any jammers in San Diego who want to hang out or start a band (I play bass), drop me a line!!! Don't be fooled by the ASU address, I graduated and moved!
-Rich
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:00:53 -0700 (MST) From: Rich Rochelle <Rich.Rochelle@asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Tiles, Pt II Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980624085747.18764A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
Hey,
I forgot to mention what my friend said about the Tiles' sound: he said that they were very good technically (on their instruments), and that they sounded almost exactly like what you would get if Dream Theater and Rush got together. I don't know if that means 70s, 80s, or 90s Rush, though, so...
Hasta...
-Rich Rochelle
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:36:00 +0200 From: Henri Serton <hserton@worldonline.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Van halen song in Rotterdam Message-ID: <35912AF0.FF8B811D@worldonline.nl>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:25:30 +0200 > From: "Andreas Berger" <aberger@waf-online.de> > To: <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Re: Rotterdam setlist > Message-ID: <01bd9f38$e32b69a0$LocalHost@p100>
> Andreas Berger wrote:
> >Hey you all,
> >here's the setlist of the rotterdam-gig, please feel > >free correct me, i'm NOT completely sure
> Okay, here's what I remember (just some corrections and > additions, I'm not completely sure either, though):
> >VanHalen tune (?)
> I didn't recognize it either. > It was pretty short so I don't think it > was the complete song.
I know what song. It was "Mean street" from the 1981 album "Fair warning. "Come on Dave give me a break..... One break coming up"!!!!!
After DT played this song James said:
"Please Dave come back"!!
> That's how I remember the setlist, the order might have been > different though. It was definately a really relaxed and > special night, so thanks to everybody who was involved!
It *was* a special night. I enjoyed it immensely.
And I also got to meet Marc!!! Hi Marc ;-)
> Take Care, > Andreas Berger
Greetings
-- Henri
hserton@worldonline.nl http://home.worldonline.nl/~hserton/
The result's of greed ??? Go to http://ios.org/Greed.html
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:51:13 -0400 (EDT) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Wait For Sleep???? What form? Message-ID: <01IYM5PEXNW29353R5@LTU.EDU>
To those Jammers who attended the Fan Club only show, you lucky bastards, I have a question. Was Wait For Sleep performed in the traditional fashion, or the currently popular acoustic guitar method?
Just curious because ever since Kevin Moore left the band, every boot I have heard has WFS played non-piano type.
Later,
Jeff E.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:33:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Blindness Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980624133112.8376D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
What is this? Slag Damon week? So what. I happen to have reasons for mentioning the dirty b word. OK, from now on, I will never refer to myself as blind again, OK I will refer to my self as visually challenged. Would that make you feel better? Oh wait, you don't want me to say that I am blind at all. OK, I am cured. :) I can see perfectly fine. Thanks for the help. If I only knew that denying my vission problem would cure me, I would've done that years ago. Now, I must go. I have a driving test to take. Can you all see me in a nice red sports convertible, driving down the NJ state turnpike, blaring New Millennium at the top of the stereo volume? Right before the inevitable crash?
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:24:45 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: keyboardists opinions needed Message-ID: <000501bd9f97$094d9780$49f086cc@korgx3>
>em in the keyboarding world. Basically, what song is either Moore/Sherinian >at his best? Frankly I don't have a clue, so any opinions would be nice. >Thanks :)
Let's see... Ytsejam and Take The Time come to mind offhand. I love the keys in Learning to Live, but of all, I'd say the Fasten Your Seatbelts Ytsejam is some of the most intense keyboard playing I've ever heard. :) Bogie had an MP3 of it on his website.
Then on the lighter side, definately play Eve and Wait for Sleep. :) --KorgX3
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:40:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: keyboardists opinions needed Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980624133649.8376E-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Keyboards? Me? Expert? Thanks. Anyway, I would recommend any of the following, and I will give my reasons as well. Firstly, for More. I think I would have to give Take the Time or Metropolis some nods, and let's not forget Wait for Sleep. In fact, I would do Wait for Sleep first. You may also consider UAGM or LTL. That is under a glass moon and learning to live if you didn't know. From wdadu, definitely Ytsejam, and Only a Matter of time. Oh, light fuse and get away may work as well. From Awake, Space Dye Vest, 6:00 or Scarred. Now, onto the Derek years. you could try ACOS, but I think Lines in the Sand, Just let me breathe or Burning my Soul may work. Trial of Tears could be cool as well. New Millennium could work as well, but not as well for Derek. No real solos there. Anna Lee may not be a good idea, since n that song, Derek sounds too much like a regular pop pianist. Not that I am disrespecting that, because every pianist needs to be able to do that. But, that is my definitive word on this subject.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:58:21 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Blindness and being more politically correct. Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980624105821.00ab8950@mail.legato.com>
Damon preached:
>What is this? Slag Damon week? So what. I happen to have reasons for >mentioning the dirty b word. OK, from now on, I will never refer to myself >as blind again, OK I will refer to my self as visually challenged. Would >that make you feel better?
Actually Damon, it won't make me feel better if you get politically correct. You see cause then I will have to call myself "a matrimonially deficient, un-assisted Parental unit" and gawd I HATE being politically correct. It's bad enough when the homeless beggars I see in here in the Bay Area now hold up signs which say "Residentially Challenged. Need Financial Assistance" If you have no problem referring to yourself as blind, then I have no problem with you being blind. But I never think of you as Damon, my blind friend......you are just Damon to me and stay just the way you are!
Sorry for the NDTC. We now resume our usual love fest!
The politically UNcorrect Lady Jammer
Coldfire GalleryMistress@dreamt.org
Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List galleryofshadows@coollist.com http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows
"Fly where your dreams go....." Crystalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:01:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: WAAAAHHHHH!!! Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980624134648.8376F-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Look, people. I am sorry if a fraction of you get offended by this kind of stuff. But my philosophy in life is, that if I get slagged in a public forum, I need to defend myself in a public forum, because I don't want people to get the wrong idea of something I posted. Adam took something I said out of context. he could've posted to me directly, but he didn't. He chose to keep it in the ring. Now, maybe you don't agree with this, and that slap at America and Seinfeld was totally uncalled for, but that's too bad.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Blindness and being more politically correct. Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980624140935.8376G-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
ColdFire, you missed the rest of the post. I was wroking up to a funny joke there. :)
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:16:17 -0500 From: Ronda Roach <moe@wworld.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: looking for a jpm by ibanez Message-ID: <35914271.4C5B@wworld.com>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:23:31 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980624112331.00a7a100@mail.legato.com>
Jon K swallowed his foot......
>I mean no disrespect.
yes you did. You were not very nice. Can't we all just get along???? (MAJOR SARCASM ALERT!)
>But to me you are just begging for sympathy and/or attention.
No he's not. Did you just do that to get attention? Cause you just got mine. Then again it looks like you are begging to be spanked. Shall I get the Mommy Spoon of deth???
>Being blind would suck, Im not saying it wouldnt. But you have >been on the list for a long time. Possibly longer than I. It just isnt >necessary for you to tell us every 2nd or 3rd message that you lack the >ability to see. Everyone knows that you are blind.
No..not everyone knows that Damon is blind. We get new subscribers all the time. And you know what? Sometimes I envy Damon. He sees more than all of us. Your eyes can blind you sometimes Jon, remember that. That attack was un-called for and unwarranted. No, I am not saying that Damon deserves any special consideration because he is blind. That would mean that we would need to give you special consideration because you sometimes suffer from being massively ignorant.
>You dont need to keep reminding us.
If you didn't notice, Damon's point of view on the current topic was totally valid. Sounds like you're the one who has a problem with Damon being blind Jon. If you're tired of being reminded of it, let me direct you to the 'page down' key. I never felt he was reminding us. Damon's blindness is an everyday part of his life. It's who he is. And we love him and the list is better for having him here!
>Should I mention that I have bad gas in every message I ever send to the jam? : )
Sure...go ahead! Some people on the Jam really appreciate reading a good brain fart!
Jon....you know I luv ya bud.....but you need to get spanked. You have been a bad boy! No hard feelings????
Mommy Coldfire!
Coldfire GalleryMistress@dreamt.org
Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List galleryofshadows@coollist.com http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows
"Fly where your dreams go....." Crystalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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