YTSEJAM digest 4010

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Thu Jun 25 1998 - 16:00:41 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Priceless DT Collectables :)
     by David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
      2) Re: Priceless DT Collectables :)
     by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4008
     by stan-o- <drumguy@uscom.com>
      4) Trade, my "new" guitar
     by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
      5) DT Collectables
     by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
      6) Re: Uncooked newbies?!?!?
     by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
      7) Re: I need more LTE!!!!! (need recommendations)
     by Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
      8) The State of the Ytsejam Address
     by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
      9) The London Forum show
     by Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com>
     10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4009
     by Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net>
     11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4009
     by Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
     12) Re: More LTE
     by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
     13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4009
     by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
     14) DT/DP/ELP
     by WazooDust@aol.com
     15) Re: Online Shopping
     by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
     16) Sci-fi
     by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
     17) Re: Sci-fi and Empty Tremor question
     by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
     18) Set lists?
     by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:38:43 -0400
    From: David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Priceless DT Collectables :)
    Message-ID: <199806251436.KAA02775@promail1.ee.net>

    Chris Ptacek wrote:
    > I'm talking about the people who
    >hoard up their DT stuff and sell it off for gold. I know that
    >through one group of friends or another, I could get my hands on any
    >DT material I needed. It should be that way for anyone on this list.

    Just thought I'd try and ease your mind a bit Chris....not all of us are
    like that. Some of us (and me personally) value our DT collections
    for our own personal reasons and satisfaction, and have no interest
    whatsoever in selling the stuff off. Hell I even have some rare stuff that I
    don't bother telling anyone about because I don't want people making
    crazy offers. But still, I do not make copies of all my stuff to give to my
    friends....I guess to me it doesn't hold the same meaning if everyone
    I know has the same recordings or pics or whatever. To me, a rare item
    is something I consider a collectors piece, not something for mass
    distribution.

    peace out,
    Dave (aka buster) Hatlee

    http://www.dhpc.com/wdadu/

    http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:59:06 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
    To: David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
    Subject: Re: Priceless DT Collectables :)
    Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980625105710.23919D-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>

    > Just thought I'd try and ease your mind a bit Chris....not all of us are
    > like that. Some of us (and me personally) value our DT collections
    > for our own personal reasons and satisfaction, and have no interest
    > whatsoever in selling the stuff off. Hell I even have some rare stuff that I
    > don't bother telling anyone about because I don't want people making
    > crazy offers. But still, I do not make copies of all my stuff to give to my
    > friends....I guess to me it doesn't hold the same meaning if everyone
    > I know has the same recordings or pics or whatever. To me, a rare item
    > is something I consider a collectors piece, not something for mass
    > distribution.

            Very much agreed. Speaking only for myself (and being a
    collector), I know that many of the things that *I* have - some worth
    grand monetary value, some just personal value - will probably never be
    sold. I like having a private archives, actually. Kind of makes what I
    own a little more special.

            So, any takers on a sealed Afterlife promo? :)

                    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
                        syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
                         erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
                    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:36:52 -0400
    From: stan-o- <drumguy@uscom.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4008
    Message-ID: <3592607A.AC9C03BE@uscom.com>

    > The point is, if a person has a physical handicap (whether it be
    > blindness, deafness, or whatever), they shouldn't have to constantly
    > remind people about their handicap in order to be treated with
    > respect.
    >

    Nor should they have to be reminded of their differences from others. I see this all
    to much, Being employeed in the feild of special ed. I see this all to much when
    integrating severly disabled children into the community. Bottomline is, everyone
    here is a person, and should first and foremost be treated in that manner. Im not
    saying that anyone who doesnt make 2 versions of a www page should be bound and
    gagged because that is what the internet is all about, im saying (not directed at
    anyone here) in general in the world today, it seems that if you cant run the fastest
    or jump the highest, you are almost put onto a back burner. Handicapped or not,
    EVERYONE should ALWAYS be treated with respect.

    > Damon, I like reading your posts. Based on what you
    > write, you seem like a cool guy. My opinion of you is based on
    > your posts, not on your ability or inability to see.
    >

    Damon is a cool guy with loads of interesting posts to read. I wouldnt have known
    Damon was blind until I saw him at a DT show unless he put that line about it in his
    sig. file. Anyway, I guess the point I am trying to make is that IMO, I can't say
    that I feel sorry for Damon because as far as I have seen on the jam, and at a few dt
    shows that ive seen him at, he hasnt let his lack of sight overcome his will to enjoy
    life, cudoos to that, I cant tell you how many people I have meet that have some sort
    of disability and are bitter at the world.

    stan tastic

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:32:54 -0500
    From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Trade, my "new" guitar
    Message-ID: <35926DA6.7E11@auburn.net>

    Hello. I was sent an extra copy of Experience To Extremes, the two disc
    Rush set from Prism records. I'm asking to see if anyone wants to trade
    me Stream Of Consciousness (CD-Rs are fine) for it.

    Also, much like my friend Buck Stodgers, I got a new-to-me guitar
    recently. It's an Ibanez RG570, serial number F937721, and I'm having
    trouble identifying the correct name of its funky color. It looks
    pinkish purple until you hold it under lights, then it looks very blue.
    Can anyone help me find out what this finish is called? I'm not
    complaining about it by any means - it plays like butter, has a hard
    case, and only cost me $325. I'm just curious, and I know there are some
    people on this list who are very knowledgeable about Ibanez guitars.

    Thanks in advance to anyone who helps me out,
    Mark Peters
    swifty@auburn.net

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:33:41 -0600
    From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: DT Collectables
    Message-ID: <004f01bda04e$e2a50240$45f086cc@korgx3>

    Since this was brought up, I'd forgotten to post something that i saw on a
    website this week. Go to http://cayman.ebay.com/ and use Dream Theater as
    your keyword.

    There's sometimes some old DT collector's item on there. :) Right now
    someone's selling some really old Majesty fanzines.

    Take care!
    --KorgX3

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:41:44 +0200
    From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
    To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Uncooked newbies?!?!?
    Message-ID: <01BDA061.0B6E6CE0@34.154.dialin.mxs.nl>

      KorgX3 wrote :

    > Could someone please update the FAQ as to where it's located? :)

      There are like 30 mirror sites for the FAQ, one of them being
      "Under A Cyber Moon". As soon as the new version goes public,
      all mirror sites will be updated. That's the way it works.

    > I have no idea where the most current version is...

      Last time I checked, all the mirror sites that were still up
      and running had D-Man's latest version. Two of the mirror sites
      weren't there anymore and my Dutch one needs to be added. I'm
      sure Gabbo will get right on it, as soon as he reads this. ;-)

    > I think Itchy would have the latest, but it says it's still
    > maintained by D-Man...

      Like I said a few weeks ago... I don't maintain the FAQ,
      I just mirror it. It's Gabbo's show, not mine. Sorry. :)
      
      Mark Bredius
      ____________________________________________________________
      Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
      * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 06-24-1998

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:50:13 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: I need more LTE!!!!! (need recommendations)
    Message-ID: <199806251550.LAA17194@node10.unix.Virginia.EDU>

    According to Ryan Roehrich:
    >
    >
    > Having listening to LTE since it came out I am now wanting more and more of

    another CD you might consider is the Holdsworth / Johanssen
    brothers fusion CD "Heavy machinery" that mike mentions in the
    LTE liner notes. Holdsworth is a fusion legend, and the
    Johanssens have played in many metal bands including Yngwie's.

    unfortunately, i didn't think the CD was that good.
    Holdsworth's solos are excellent, but the songwriting, all by
    the Johanssens, is spotty. it has a lethargic feel, none of
    the excitement of LTE, and a sterile feel, maybe from the synth
    bass lines or lack of musician interaction. on LTE you can
    hear them feeding off each other. if anyone wants to hear it,
    i'd be happy to trade my Heavy Machinery CD for most anything.

    scott andrews
    sha3u@virginia.edu

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:58:24 -0600
    From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: The State of the Ytsejam Address
    Message-ID: <005701bda052$1b529000$45f086cc@korgx3>

    --From Stodge, the Ytse-Grammar Nazi:

    >> If you'd like to bash/flame/whine/name-call at me anymore please do
    >> it in private email so we don't all get yelled at by Skadz...

    >Excuse me? Oh, I have to read (okay: page down past) your bullshit post
    >only to have you tell me to take it private. Hmmm... That's funny, you
    >didn't listent to my post asking YOU to keep this crap off the Jam. And
    >that's you in the non-singular sense...:)

    You're bitching at a guy who asked to take an off-topic subject to private
    mail because you didn't have to read it? That's about all the logic I
    derived from that. Since this is public knowledge anyway, allow me to state
    this plainly:

    "Stodge, you're being a dick."

    As a lesson for >everyone<, let me remind you all that this is a public
    forum, and that the subjects that come up are not always on topic. Most
    messages DO place their subject in the appropriate place, and if you don't
    like the subject, page down. It's not hard. :P And if someone asks you to
    redirect your responses to private mail, please do so rather than bitch
    about their cowardice or what-not to everyone else. You're own bitching is
    more cluttering than the topics others are obviously interested in. If you
    want to make the jam a better place, start legit topics, not flame wars. :P

    --KorgX3

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:58:56 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: The London Forum show
    Message-ID: <19980625155856.27325.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>

    Hi here is a few things about the Forum show.

    As mentioned by jonathan.agar@gecapital.com the show was more laid
    back than in December and for me not as good.

    The set was definitely different than last time-see below and did not
    really rock as I would have expected. The ill advised comment by James
    that no one was interested in the World Cup anymore and it was all
    over for us (I presume he meant England and/or Scotland) was not well
    received. At this point in the evening Scotland were losing but were
    still in it. Anyway.

    James, Mike Portnoy and to some extent John P played to the audience,
    as did Rudess and Morgenstein the support who really gave it some.
    However John Myung was pretty much static and moved around less than
    in December and Derek didnt smile until the very end and seemed just
    content to do his keyboard parts.

    The set list as much as I can pick out from my recording

    In between the bands Raise the knife (about 3-4 times) and another
    demo which I didnt catch the name of

    A very dodgy skipping intro CD!

    Crimson Sunrise
    Innocence
    The Mirror/Just let me breathe
    Take the time/Freebird/Hot for teacher
    long keyboard intro/Anna Lee
    Goodbye Yellow Brick road
    Speak to me
    Long keyboard intro/Lines in the Sand
    Caught in a web/Drum Solo
    The way it used to be
    Peruvian Skies/Have a Cigar/enter Sandman
    Guitar solo inc. Paradigm Shift (+MP and Rudes)
                and Flight of the bumblebee (rimsky Korsakov version)
    Pull Me under

    Encore-
    Learning to lIve/Segment of something I didnt recognise/Learning to live
    Crimson Sunset

    So there you go

    If anyone wants to swap a tape of this gig for anything else please
    email me privately. I would add there is a bit of distortion of the
    mini disc recording when things are loudest.

    They also took a photo at the end for the live album

    All the best

    Simon
    _________________________________________________________
    DO YOU YAHOO!?
    Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:14:13 -0400
    From: Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4009
    Message-ID: <35927755.70512FA7@tiac.net>

    > From: Ryan Roehrich <ryan@futureone.com>
    > To: ytsejam@ax.com
    > Subject: I need more LTE!!!!! (need recommendations)
    >
    > Having listening to LTE since it came out I am now wanting more and more of
    > it.
    > Ryan

    Ryan,
            Pick up a new release called Vital Tech Tones. It has Scott Henderson
    (Tribal Tech), Victor Wooten (Bela Fleck), and Steve Smith (Vital
    Information and various session). I think it's just as good if not
    better than LTE. It's the same kind of progressive instrumental jamming
    stuff except more fusion oriented. Also, I find it a bit more
    interesting because there's more improvisation and more group
    interaction because these players are more jazz influenced. You might
    have to look in the jazz section of your local cd shop for it. I put up
    an MP3 at Mosh's ftp site, check it out
    ftp://medusa.gmsnet.com/incoming.

    Adam

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:26:50 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4009
    Message-ID: <199806251626.MAA39512@node10.unix.Virginia.EDU>

    According to Adam Cook:
    >
    >
    > > From: Ryan Roehrich <ryan@futureone.com>
    > >
    > > Having listening to LTE since it came out I am now wanting more and more of
    >
    > Pick up a new release called Vital Tech Tones. It has Scott Henderson

    cool recommendation, i ordered this yesterday. there is a
    sound clip on the Shrapnel Records site [www.shrapnelrecords.com]
    under New Releases.

    it's not as heavy, more modern light fusion, but henderson's
    work with Tribal Tech is great too.

    scott andrews biophysics research
    sha3u@virginia.edu chemistry department
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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:21:21 -0500
    From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: More LTE
    Message-ID: <l03130300b1b836a1bc2f@[129.116.47.106]>

    if you want a very similar album (at least in concept) check out Black
    Light Syndrome, with Terry Bozzio, Tony Levin, and Steve Stevens. It kick
    ass. I almost like it better than LTE, because everything is less dense,
    with very few overdubs, and it was almost all improvised. It's on Magna
    Carta Records, so you should be able to get it from the same place as LTE.
    another cool thing about BLS is that Levin stands out a lot more through
    the whole record, without thick guitar overdubs as well as keys covering
    him up. definitely give this one a try.

    James C. Shields
    Undergraduate
    University of Texas at Austin
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    Spread before you is your soul
    So forever hold the dreams within our hearts
    Through Nature's inflexible grace
    I'm Learning to live
                                    Dream Theater "Learning to Live"
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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    Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:49:32 -0700
    From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
    To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4009
    Message-ID: <000601bc81d3$93fdd620$3102f9c2@arnes.si.arnes.si>

    >Having listening to LTE since it came out I am now wanting more >and more
    of
    >it. Unfortunately the chance for that for now is kinda slim. So I have >a
    >request, what other cd's out there would fill this need for something
    >similar to LTE? Any reviews on the Rudess/Morgenstein Project? >Any help
    >would be great!
    >
    >Ryan
    >

    Hey Ryan

    I suppose LTE is one of a kind, so you won`t find exatcly the same thing
    anywhere unless it`s half DT/half some other virtuoso musicians.
    I`d suggest checking out what Magna Carta has to offer. There`s plenty of
    tributes and other "projects" that feature members of DT and other
    exceptional musicians.
    As far as RMP goes, I`m sure you`ll like it. It`s only keyboards and drums
    and it most of the time sounds very rich (like whole band), but
    sometimes I feel a lack of other instruments. But I assure you, the
    performance of JR and RM are something amazing and they really let the steam
    go in some songs. But there are a couple very slow nice and very passionate
    songs too (like Masada). I`d say this CD is a must have.
    I got a signed copy in Munich/Ger where they opened for DT (both
    performances BLEW ME AWAY) and had a word with them, extremely nice guys,
    seems like all great musicians are :)
    If u can find RMP anywhere, GO FOR IT :)

    Sincerely,

     Matej Grginic
    a guitarist converted into a fiersome bass player

    P.S.
    My first post after a month of break :) Same old stories I see :)
    When will people learn that boots are meant to be traded with.

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:40:40 EDT
    From: WazooDust@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT/DP/ELP
    Message-ID: <6957e054.35928b99@aol.com>

     Is anyone out there able to help me get to and find tix for DT/DP/ELP in
    Wilkes-Barre, PA, or Cuyahoga Falls, OH.
     Please E-mail me privately at 'Wazoodust@aol.com'
        Thanks

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:10:28 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Online Shopping
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980625140917.15555A-100000@thunder>

    If you want to get Floyd and you have none already.. a very economical way
    is get the Box Set... gives you a good collection for like 10 bucks a CD
    and a good book :)

    I grabbed the Box Set for like 80 bucks once.. Now THAT was a STEAL!!!!

    -Ponte

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:16:13 -0400
    From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Sci-fi
    Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980625141613.007d1918@pop.wam.umd.edu>

    In reference to the currently en vogue Blindjam discussion...

    Isn't all of this complaining about text versus graphical WWW a bit
    pointless? Think long run. Eventually, blindness will become irrelevant,
    at least in the electronic aspect. Cranial datajacks, ladies and
    gentlemen, cranial datajacks. You'll "see" every electronic bitlet through
    a bypassing of the eyes. Scientists've already been able to enable the
    blind to see simple objects through a similar method. Hey, it's a reality.

    'Go atom, young man. Go plastic.'

    Brian "21st Century Digital Boy" Henderson

    ===================================
    Name:
     W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
    Contact:
     hender@wam.umd.edu
    ROBOT-CENTRAL:
     http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
    His Faithful Bootleg Page:
     http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/Musik/Boot/
    ===================================

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:10:58 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Sci-fi and Empty Tremor question
    Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980625150500.7208A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>

    On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Lobsterback wrote:

    >
    > In reference to the currently en vogue Blindjam discussion...
    >
    > Isn't all of this complaining about text versus graphical WWW a bit
    > pointless? Think long run. Eventually, blindness will become irrelevant,

            In addition, for those who are not congenitally blind, but have
            become blind due to corneal injury/scarring, etc. they have a
            new surgical experimental procedure where they bypass the cornea
            by inserting some mechanical device that captures the image and
            then produces the corresponding electrical impulses to be
            delivered to the person's retina. Really incredible stuff....

            Some DT-related content: Anyone ever receive that Empty
            Tremor promo in the States yet??????

                                                    -Al
    =====================================================================
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         u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com
    HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
      

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:47:01 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Set lists?
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980625154536.15555D-100000@thunder>

    Anyone remember the set lists for the following shows?

    Toads Place - Oct 1997
    Birch Hill - 1998
    Electric Factory - 1998

    I am having some trouble remembering the songs they played :( I remember
    the highlights very well though :)

    Many Thanks!
    -Ponte

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