YTSEJAM Digest 4020
Today's Topics:
1) my 2 cents about effects
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
2) Yes....WTF?
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
3) Chromakey review
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
4) An idea?
by "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
5) Re: datajacks
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4016
by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
7) Viagra: Who needs it?
by AL <al@isd.net>
8) Re: Yes....WTF?
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
9) Re: An idea?
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
10) DT Tour Shirts
by "Andrew Brodie" <andrew@ames.net>
11) they said what?
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
12) Flint, Michigan
by "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
13) Yes or No
by "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:05:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my 2 cents about effects
Message-ID: <19986281456416334@ix.netcom.com>
Well, being a guitarist, I figured I should put in my opinion about effects.
I have a fairly basic setup, its all floor stuff, since I really dont have the
money to buy a whole bunch of rack stuff. My guitar goes into a Cry
Baby Wah, then into a Boss Metal Zone, where I get my distortion, and
finnaly into a Digitech RP20 multi, which I use for reverb, delay,
compression (on the leads to make them stand out more), chorus,
flanger, and phaser, as well as a pitch shift effect that I use when
my band does Closer to the Heart. My amp is a Fender Twin Reverb
(you metal guys laugh all you want, but I can get a pretty ripping sound
with the Metal Zone, and by using my RG, it gets probably the best
heavy rhythm sound out of a Twin possible. BTW the lead and
clean sounds are THE best. A Twin may not be able to get a great
crunch, but it can really make leads sing).
Matt
"I'm so hip I have trouble seeing over my pelvis."
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:05:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes....WTF?
Message-ID: <199862814361118467@ix.netcom.com>
<<Okay, on to Yes, I think "90125" and "Talk" are just great. "Big
Generator" is pretty weak except for a couple songs. Now here's when I
start getting hate mail... I heard "Fragile" and "Union", and I think
they're both really boring. I mean, they have really cool sections in
them, but they just get really old. Now, once you've gotten beyond the
shock of that, can anyone please tell me about "Open Your Eyes"? The few
things I've heard about it are pretty good... but then "Fragile" is
supposed to be so great, and I guess it was for the time, but I just
hate it when you have to TRY to keep from being bored.>>
Ok, I really dont mean to critisize (well, maybe I do) but I find it odd that you
like a band like Dream Theater and can't appriciate Fragile. Besides the fact
that it was on Petrucci's top ten most influential albums in Guitar for the Practicing
Musician (one of the few partialy intelligent guitar mags out there) it is also a very
good representation of Yes' Prog years. If you DONT like this Progressive sound
of Yes (as I said, Prog, like in DT is prog) then DONT get: THe YEs Album, CLose
to the Edge, or Tales from Topographic Oceans. Now, you also seem to like the
"pop" Yes albums. Call me whatever you want, but 90125 signifies the end of Yes
for me. THe point where they stopped being a prog rock band and became a pop
band. Most all Prog bands from the 70s have done this. Genesis' prog sound
began to fade with the leaving of Steve Hackett, but it was echoed a bit in albums
afterwords. I do think that Invisible Touch sealed the "pop" sound for Genesis and
officially ended their "progginess". King Crimson is still prog, and I know Fripp
wouldnt have it any other way. Rush has become more hard rock, but there
are always a few Rush songs on recent albums that have a "progressive" feel to them.
Pink Floyd still has a slight progressive sound, but then again, they have a very unique
sound, and its very hard to describe how they are now (but if you were to ask me,
the pinnicle of their progressive sound was from Animals to the Final Cut). Just
don't call me sort of a "band frontrunner" like only liking them if they're prog. If
you're a Metallica fan that doesn't like the way they are now, you should especially
keep your mouth shut ;-). Anyway, Ive been rambling, back to Yes...If you like 90125,
yes you will like Open Your Eyes.
Matt
"It feels unpleasantly like being drunk..."
"Whats so unpleasant about being drunk?"
"Ask a glass of water."
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:29:13 -0400
From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Chromakey review
Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF021F924@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
I am a bit surprised that there hasn't been that much mention of the new
Chromakey CD, so here goes. This CD is quite laid back indeed. Most of the
CD has a somber melancholy tone. Most songs are in the 4-5 minute range.
Searching for some way to categorize it "melodic industrial" may work (??)
The sound is based, as one would have to expect, heavily on the keys and
effects. Minimal emphasis on the guitar work. Kevin does the vocals and
his voice seems to work with the style of the music. Having had the demo
tapes for quite a while, I had always liked "Even the Waves" although I had
hoped for an arrangement that had more strength instrumentally (with great
MP fills and a pulsating JP solo ....... ooops, I promised myself that I
wouldn't do that).
Kevin left because of a need to pursue a different sound and there is indeed
a large difference between the sound on this CD and DT. The real
disappointment is that for me it really borders on not being progressive -
without jump-kicking *that* discussion for the millionth time. In fact,
while I sincerely wish Kevin all the best, I feel that it must be said that
there is probably a large segment of DT fans that will not care for this CD.
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@comversens.com
"Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows. Neither do I"
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:45:46 -0400
From: "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: An idea?
Message-ID: <19980628194115.UMWH87@239157822worldnet.att.net>
**The following would have been sent via private mail, but the addressed
party is notorious for not reading e-mail unless it contains offers of
cash. It also contains information beneficial to Jammers not familiar with
the preactices of Prism Records.**
>Mike Bahr - Prism Records - remove ANTISPAM in my address to reply
I think that with Prism now being a basically official bootlegging company
that maybe the continuous posts about it should be considered spam. Other
business aren't allowed to just post here on a whim, so why is this one?
Hey, I have an idea: since all of us know where the Prism page is, and all
of your updates are there, and Prism is even in the FAQ (last I saw it),
why don't you just not post that stuff here any more, Mike. Then maybe the
flame volume you complain of would decrease and we wouldn't be reminded
continuously of Prism's negligence.
The only stuff I have seen from OAN Records' owners in here recently has
been replies to material posts not dealing with their sales, so maybe you
could do the same. And last I checked KTS, Why Not? and other bootleg
companies have not been posting here.
>the best way to defend yourself on the internet is to ignore the
>insult. That shit don't fly. Never did.
You completely misunderstand this whole thing Mike. Few of us even know
you. None of us are insulting you. We're trashing a business that deals
with its customers in an unprofessional manner and makes NO attempts at
amends for its poor service, even going to the extent of DENYING the
service is as bad as it is. There's an old saying that says in every insult
there is a little truth, that is why we are so compelled to defend against
them.
> I sincerely doubt most of what has been said to me would be
> repeated in my presence.
At one of your little barbeques, no maybe not. However, I don't see myself
ever getting an invite <g>. But ask some of your friends at Equinox what
happened when I was lured into one of their *brainwashing* sessions. I made
it a point to be vocal about their dishonesty and misrepresentation. Now,
were I to see you at a DT show, I'd likely leave you alone. Were I to see
you there selling a fistful of CDs: I'd give you the verbal thrashing I've
been desiring to for the last year, and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in the
melee.
I continue to respond to your posts not because they refer to me, but
because you continue to misrepresent your business as efficient, well-run,
and "for the fans". It is none of those things and you and I have had
private e-mails on the subject. I take these opinions to the Jam
continuously because you still do not seem to know that your business, in
the opinion of what would seem to be a majority of jammers, has no place on
the Ytsejam Mailing List anymore. If I'm wrong, I welcome all of Mike
Bahr's supporters to mail me in private to tell me as such. If I get more
than a dozen, I'll acknowledge that.
Stodgers's vacation is over
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:57:19 +0100
From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: datajacks
Message-ID: <01bda2c6$93c00060$LocalHost@elydian>
>Is it just me, or is anyone else filled with piss-in-your-shoes terror at
>the idea of Microsoft writing code in your *brain*? Jesus, first
>GPF and pffft, there goes three years of college (assuming heavy
>drinking didn't do that already).
>
> -And now for something completely different...
> A theater tech with a clawhammer. *THUNK* *splat*
> (Milluminati Psycho) -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
Any brain implants would have to be sold with free ctrl, alt and delete
buttons implanted into the arm.
==========================================
In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality.
-- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ ==========================================------------------------------
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4016 Message-ID: <19980628205214.10719.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>
> I am still recovering from this gig!!! > I don't know how the Grateful Dead ever did it!!!
hmm, maybe because they didnt bash the shit out of their drums all night long? ;)
> Today I received confirmation from East West / Elektra that they have OK'd my > request for a DOUBLE CD!!!! >
wow
WOW!
On another note, last night i went to the best jazz concert i've been to, and one of the best concerts all around: Roy Haynes w/ John Patitucci and Danilo Perez. If these goes play by any of you jazz-freak's area , do not miss it. I was left literally speechless
And tonight I'm seeing Projekct Two.Woo-hoo! :)
Ern
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:59:43 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSELAND <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Viagra: Who needs it? Message-ID: <3595DBCE.1DFCFF9C@isd.net>
Greetings Jamsters: With the recent announcement from Mike Portnoy I'm sportin' some serious wood. With a live video & 2 CD album on the horizon it's time to rejoice! I read this at like two in the morning, I was seconds away from waking up the the little woman (AKA The Warden) to tell her the good news, then it dawned on me, she'd kick my ass! She's a classic DT fan, just not as enthusiastic as I am. Hey, any woman who's favorite house cleaning music is "Awake" and favorite song is the Mirror, well.... You just gotta' love her. (Don't wake her at 2:00 Am though) Thanks for the great news Mike!
NP: In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida... At 78 RPM :) -- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons >Ol' Red must have had a kid just like my 9 year old. Doh!
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:54:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Yes....WTF? Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980628165257.1249A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, let me break down Yes a little bit here. First, I think the person who hates fragile is nuts, but that is my opinion. Second, you might like open your eyes, but I think it is severely mediocre. I like some songs on it. And for the guy who thinks that post 90125 is trash, listen to some tracks off of Union, and both keys to ascension albums. The abwh tracks off of Union are pretty damn proggy. Also, there is Finalize from Big Generator, and Endless Dream from Talk which are rather proggy. And for the fragile hater, yes, avoid the yes album, close to the edge, tales from topographic oceans, and relayer. You forgot relayer. You might not like Going for the one or tormato ro drama either.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: An idea? Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980628165824.1249B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I swore I wasn't going to read, let a lone get involved in the bahr discussions, but I have been here from the beginning of Mike Bahr's business. When Mike first came out with Subconscious, I had just joined the jam. This was a disc meant for fans of DT. Mike said himself that he wasn't out to make money. just barely making minimum wage. i thought "great. A disc for the fans, not a bootlegger just out to make money." I would've ordered his discs based solely on this, simply because he was just that much different. A fan, who had the resources to make discs for other fans just to spread some rare stuff. Somehow, in the back of my mind, I thought that he was going to go from fan doing a favor for other fans at marginal prophet, to bootlegger. And I was right. And it is a shame. Mike, I have never ordered a disc from you. I have never had that money to spend. But, you took prism records from a good vibe giving place to get a hold of rarities from bands we love at minimum fuss to a full-fledged bootlegging business that has a bad reputation. You can deny this all you want, but the facts here say that nobody wants your discs anymore. So, you turn from making discs of DT rarities for other fans to collect to trying to make money from Rush, Queen's ryche and Tori. I am not slagging a business I know nothing about. i am not even flaming you. I just think you have lost sight of why you began to do this. I never look at the 'to' header of a message when I read it. But, I don't need to. You have lost the respect of an entire mailing list. And I remember when you used to appologize for things, now you won't even do that. When Mike Bahr was wrong in the beginning, he would admit it. When Mike Bahr got personal email that wasn't directed to a list where his business rep may be tarnished, he answered it. Mike Bahr used to bend over backwards for people. not today. mike Bahr is the business man , selling bootlegs just like any other bootlegger. And just like any other bootlegger, one day you might get nailed. I think it is sad. I just hope that the other guys making discs for the fans don't take that dreadful leap into bootlegging country. it is a land where you apparently can never return from.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:11:35 -0500 From: "Andrew Brodie" <andrew@ames.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT Tour Shirts Message-ID: <000f01bda2d9$5aa04de0$29681ace@ns.ames.net>
Does anyone know exactly what the text says on the front of the long sleeve black DT tour shirts. On the official site (www.rsabbs.com/dt) I can only make out the images, but not the text. I'm wondering what exactly the images mean? Does anyone know?
http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/merchandise/
Thanks.
TTFN -acb
Andrew Craig Brodie andrew@ames.net
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:15:53 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: they said what? Message-ID: <199806282118.OAA21683@cats.ucsc.edu>
> You wanted another misinturpreted lyric? From "Take Away My Pain", >this one had me rolling. > "I'm not farting anymore" > "I'm not fourteen anymore".
I always heard "I'm not fertile anymore"
Droomies (not Droogies) >I've always been into is where >the drummer uses a phrasing that matches the guitar(s) note-for-note >(either on the cymbals or on the drums themselves).
Ah. That's probably why I don't hear anything special. To me, Good === Making the drum part stand out by counterpointing the other parts. Like Craddick, MP, MZ NP and others do. When they're all just playing the same notes it doesn't impress me. Except for certain passages, where EVERYONE plays the same notes, like in HK, and several other DT songs. If it's his style to match the riffing of ther guitar, I don't think I'll ever be able to get into his playing.
~Chris
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | ./__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:43:38 -0500 From: "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Flint, Michigan Message-ID: <002301bda2e2$03868ca0$88bd2581@ryan-park>
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Flint, Michigan's hockey team may be second-best, but they apparently = have a good music scene! Aside from Full on the Mouth (which I know = some of you despise), I've seen two bands from Flint perform in the past = week, and I've been impressed by both.
Last weekend, I saw The Reverend Right Time and the First Cuzins of = Funk. (The "right time" they're referring to is 4:20.) It wasn't = necessarily my style of music, but they were actually pretty good! It = was very difficult to understand the vocalist at times; he tended to = mumble. But they had a unique sound: part rock, part funk, part jazz, = part ska. Their guitar player had a jazzy sound, and they had a = saxophone player, a trumpet player, and a DJ making scratch noises on a = turntable! <g> Overall though, their music was fun and pretty good. = Unfortunately, they were performing at a street festival, and they were = the first act (7:00 P.M.) Since no one had shown up that early, their = audience was less than 50 people. I felt bad for them on that regard.
Last night, I saw Grand Funk Railroad, also from Flint. My father said = they were popular when *he* was in the Army. I expected to be the = youngest one there, but there were people of all ages. They played a = free show at another local festival, and drew a crowd of 3000+. I = didn't know any of their songs except the standard hits ("We're An = American Band"), but I was very impressed. The band seemed REALLY tight = -- to be expected when you've been around that long. The drummer was = outstanding -- he did a great job of keeping a strong rhythm. He knew = when to throw in a complex fill or a cymbal crash, and when *not* to do = so. His solo wasn't that great, but the only solos I can compare him to = are from Neil Peart and Mike Portnoy <g>. The lead guitar/vocalist was = also very good; his solos in the songs were very melodic and flowed = well. If they are touring and in your area, I would DEFINITELY = recommend them.
Returning to lurk mode,
Ryan
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second-best, but they apparently have a good music scene! Aside = from Full=20 on the Mouth (which I know some of you despise), I've seen two bands = from Flint=20 perform in the past week, and I've been impressed by both.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Last weekend, I saw The Reverend = Right Time and=20 the First Cuzins of Funk. (The "right time" they're = referring to=20 is 4:20.) It wasn't necessarily my style of music, but they were = actually=20 pretty good! It was very difficult to understand the vocalist at = times; he=20 tended to mumble. But they had a unique sound: part rock, part = funk, part=20 jazz, part ska. Their guitar player had a jazzy sound, and they = had a=20 saxophone player, a trumpet player, and a DJ making scratch noises on a=20 turntable! <g> Overall though, their music was fun and = pretty=20 good. Unfortunately, they were performing at a street festival, = and they=20 were the first act (7:00 P.M.) Since no one had shown up that = early, their=20 audience was less than 50 people. I felt bad for them on that=20 regard.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Last night, I saw Grand Funk Railroad, also from = Flint. =20 My father said they were popular when *he* was in the Army. I = expected to=20 be the youngest one there, but there were people of all ages. They = played=20 a free show at another local festival, and drew a crowd of 3000+. = I didn't=20 know any of their songs except the standard hits ("We're An = American=20 Band"), but I was very impressed. The band seemed REALLY = tight -- to=20 be expected when you've been around that long. The drummer was = outstanding=20 -- he did a great job of keeping a strong rhythm. He knew when to = throw in=20 a complex fill or a cymbal crash, and when *not* to do so. His = solo wasn't=20 that great, but the only solos I can compare him to are from Neil Peart = and Mike=20 Portnoy <g>. The lead guitar/vocalist was also very good; = his solos=20 in the songs were very melodic and flowed well. If they are = touring and in=20 your area, I would DEFINITELY recommend them.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Returning to lurk mode,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><BR>Ryan</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:29:37 -0500 From: "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yes or No Message-ID: <002201bda2e2$02261240$88bd2581@ryan-park>
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About a year ago, I found out that "Owner of a Lonely Heart" was by Yes. = So, I figured I'd check them out. I bought "Yes Highlights: The Very = Best of Yes" secondhand and was very impressed, as I expected. ("Lonely = Heart" quickly became one of the less-liked songs on the album!) The = 1991 greatest-hits CD had a melodic quality that reminded me a LOT of = Hemispheres-era Rush. In other words, one of the truest definitions of = "progressive" rock.
I think this album does a good job of representing the different eras = from 1969 to 1987. I bought "Keys to Ascention II" and like it, = especially the live tracks. But aside from these albums, I also have no = clue as to what else to purchase. I can't find a favorite era in the = "Highlights" CD -- I like it all! At any rate, as far as a first Yes CD = to purchase, I highly recommend this one.
Ryan
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rock.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I think this album does a good job = of=20 representing the different eras from 1969 to 1987. I bought = "Keys to=20 Ascention II" and like it, especially the live tracks. But = aside from=20 these albums, I also have no clue as to what else to purchase. I = can't=20 find a favorite era in the "Highlights" CD -- I like it = all! At=20 any rate, as far as a first Yes CD to purchase, I highly recommend this=20 one.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><BR>Ryan</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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