YTSEJAM Digest 4024
Today's Topics:
1) Change for the Worse...
by Joseph Kostura <josephk@iag.net>
2) Idaho: Land of the Identity Crisis
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) Concept Album
by "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
4) Change for the Worse
by Joseph Kostura <josephk@iag.net>
5) The yesjam?
by "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
6) mtg/concert
by Devs0432@aol.com
7) DT concept album
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
8) Chroma Key
by JE78674@ltu.edu
9) The shocker of the day (NDTC)
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
10) Concept Albom
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
11) Re: Concept Album
by KEZCOM@aol.com
12) ChromaKey
by AEllis1222@aol.com
13) allman brothers really pink floyd and more
by Thrak75@aol.com
14) re: Dt concept Album
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
15) Videos
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:09:41 -0700
From: Joseph Kostura <josephk@iag.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Change for the Worse...
Message-ID: <359856F5.7EE9@iag.net>
Let me begin by apologizing to Skadz, and saying that I really didn't
wanna have to do this...but I have no choice now.
Yes, this is another post about Mike Bahr, and I did warn him that I
would "take this public." My complaint? I have not received my order
for Stream of Consciousness yet, and Mike's page used to show that my
order was IN HIS WORDS "cofirmed as shipped." I am nubmer 24 on the
order list. I've e-mailed him once a week in the last several weeks,
all the time polite, but getting gradually more frustrated. Now his
site shows that all orders have gone out, and there is no backlog.
Granted, he did post that he had received e-mail concerning problem
orders, but his problem is that he doesn't respond to his e-mail. Used
to be that when I e-mailed Mike, he would ALWAYS respond, usually the
NEXT day. Gee, when I originally e-mailed him to put me on the list
for what was then Welcome to the Wasteland, he e-mailed me back the
NEXT day, that I was down for the order, no problem.
Yes, I am a past customer of his, and I've been very happy with what I
have gotten in the past. But it is just that-- the past. Mike doesn't
get it nowadays. Customer satisfaction seems to have gone out the door.
He says he doesn't have time to read e-mail, and deal with it. If you
are telling me that once in the past 6 weeks you don't have 10 seconds to
write "Yes, there is a problem with your order, and I'll take care of it."
then I say you are so full of crap. It's good business sense to take care
of your customers. Don't ignore us. Like I e-mailed him privately, he
has my money, and I have no discs, what does that make him? My e-mails to
him have NOT bounced back, so I know he's gotten them. But I have read that
I'm not the only one he is ignoring. However, my patience is gone.
Mike, you've done it to yourself, getting all this heat. What more can
be said? I would simply like my disc set, or a note saying when I will
receive them. Too much to ask? I hope not...I really do.
Joseph
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:39:11 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Idaho: Land of the Identity Crisis
Message-ID: <003301bda3bf$8a0f9540$1c0d84d0@korgx3>
>> Meanwhile do yourself a favor and go buy some Storyhill. Ask Korgx3 for
>> more information. :)
>
>Storyhill? you mean the two-man acoustic guitar guys? if not, i'd
>be interested to know what you're talking about. if so, well i went
>to the same college as them, so i've seen 'em a few times...
Yup. Chris and Johnny. heheh. They rule. I really hate to refer to them
as country even though most people would categorize them that way. I think
of them as modern-day folk music. They're pretty good guitar players for
what they play, singing dual harmonies over the top and playing harmonicas.
Most of their songs are about traveling through the northern US and
reminiscing about life in Montana. Basically, it's granola "John Denver"
type of stuff only better. :) I like it alot. If you want to read up on
them, go to http://www.storyhill.com/ I don't think there's any sound clips
so if anyone is interested I'll make a couple. :)
>fewer black people in Northern Idaho than I have fingers on
>one hand. It was weird. I was at this huge grocery store, an
That's probably because basically all of Idaho lives up to its racist
reputation. The strange thing about where I live though is that (southern
Idaho) the hispanics actually push the black folk out of our area. :\ Very
strange indeed. But then the town I live in is about 50% hispanic, and all
their kids like to pretend they're black anyway, so it's not like we're
culturally deficient. :) It's just funny when some group of mexican kids
comes up to you and one tells you, "Hey, nice car, niggah" to me then
another one'll say, "Hey, yo, he's not black, niggah." Then I say, "An' you
are?" and then they get all uptight and crap. I know... I shouldn't
criticize youth in their pusuit of identity. :)
And where did you find an amusement park in Idaho, anyway? That's a
contradiction of terms. :P
--KorgX3
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:52:02 -0700
From: "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Concept Album
Message-ID: <199806300054.RAA19603@smtp.ucsd.edu>
> From: Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: DERIK and Ska?!?!?!?
> To my surprise, it was =
> produced by Kevin Shirley! However, the biggest surprise was that Derik =
> Sherinian played the keyboards for the ska album!!!! Has anyone else =
> heard of this or is Derik keeping quiet about this????=20
Hmmm...Thats weird, I always thought the keyboardist for DT was named
Derek...How odd... :)
> From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
> End of YTSEJAM Digest 4023
> **************************
Scott, dont scare me like that. You havent posted in what, 3 years? You
cant just jump up out of nowhere like that, and get an EOJ to boot. You're
gonna give me a heart attack! :)
As far as concept albums go, I love Queensryche's OM, APSoG, Savatage's
TWoM, but for some reason I think I would feel kinda cheated if DT went and
did a concept album for their new work. Part of what I love about DT is
their diversity. If they limited themselves to one concept throughout an
entire album, I think I would tire of it too quickly. I love riding the
emotional wave when listening to a DT album from start to finish, going
through all the different songs and their messages and themes. I think a DT
concept album at this point would remind everyone too much of the ACoS EP.
That EP is basically a concept album with some live material thrown
in...Similar to APSoG in that it is one song, but with a bit of live stuff.
And remember...DT is probably going to release Met II with their next album.
That will be a concept in itself.
Thanks Mike, for pushing for the double album. Yet another reason to be
thankful for having such a great guy working the system for us from the
inside.
Jon
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:38:01 -0700
From: Joseph Kostura <josephk@iag.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Change for the Worse
Message-ID: <35985D99.6EB@iag.net>
Let me begin by apologizing to Skadz, and saying that I really didn't
wanna have to do this...but I have no choice now.
Yes, this is another post about Mike Bahr, and I did warn him that I
would "take this public." My complaint? I have not received my order
for Stream of Consciousness yet, and Mike's page used to show that my
order was IN HIS WORDS "cofirmed as shipped." I am nubmer 24 on the
order list. I've e-mailed him once a week in the last several weeks,
all the time polite, but getting gradually more frustrated. Now his
site shows that all orders have gone out, and there is no backlog.
Granted, he did post that he had received e-mail concerning problem
orders, but his problem is that he doesn't respond to his e-mail. Used
to be that when I e-mailed Mike, he would ALWAYS respond, usually the
NEXT day. Gee, when I originally e-mailed him to put me on the list
for what was then Welcome to the Wasteland, he e-mailed me back the
NEXT day, that I was down for the order, no problem.
Yes, I am a past customer of his, and I've been very happy with what I
have gotten in the past. But it is just that-- the past. Mike doesn't
get it nowadays. Customer satisfaction seems to have gone out the door.
He says he doesn't have time to read e-mail, and deal with it. If you
are telling me that once in the past 6 weeks you don't have 10 seconds to
write "Yes, there is a problem with your order, and I'll take care of it."
then I say you are so full of crap. It's good business sense to take care
of your customers. Don't ignore us. Like I e-mailed him privately, he
has my money, and I have no discs, what does that make him? My e-mails to
him have NOT bounced back, so I know he's gotten them. But I have read that
I'm not the only one he is ignoring. However, my patience is gone.
Mike, you've done it to yourself, getting all this heat. What more can
be said? I would simply like my disc set, or a note saying when I will
receive them. Too much to ask? I hope not...I really do.
Joseph
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:09:33 -0400
From: "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The yesjam?
Message-ID: <19980630010503.CGLP28814@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
I have to say that the content in the jam lately has been some of the best
I have EVER seen. Concise and descriptive reviews of new albums (Chromakey,
LTE), Yes musings from both fan bases, and the latest in WWF action...:) To
add my penny's worth, I bought some new albums lately that I think deserve
notice. They're new to me, not new in general. Fire off:
Tonic - Lemon Parade: Yeah, pop-rock with a blues tinge. Done a million
times by a million bands. But these guys, like Collective Soul, hit on just
the right note. The first three tracks, all radio staples, are high points
leading to a little less after, but still a great album.
My Dying Bride - Like Gods of the Sun: I bought The Angel And The Dark
River a while back and promptly returned it. But for some reason, I was
compelled to give these guys another shot. Glad I did. This is some great
goth-metal, and the vocals are at least tolerable here.
Fishbone - Give A Monkey A Brain: If you know the name, you know the music,
but this is when grunge and metal were big, so Fishbone gave it a shot.
Comes off quite nicely, thought the liner is HORRIBLE. You can only really
tell the song order from the actual disc. Ska-metal? I like...
Spock's Beard - Kindness of Strangers: A gave this a shot and it fell
short. It just doesn't have the magic of what I've heard in other Spock's
material. June is pretty good though...
Cannonball Adderly - Jazz Masters: Jazz compilations suck as a rule, but
this one sucks much less. A great sampling of material that doesn't try to
cover too much ground. I knew of Adderly from his days with Miles and
wanted something more. This is a great introduction to him.
Letters To Cleo - Go!: Kiss my ass cuz I know you're all snickering. But I
like it, A LOT. It's like No Doubt without the pseudo-ska, hype, or whiny
vocals. Oh, wait. That's doesn't leave anything. This is just great solid
pop-rock with a singer that has real energy.
Adrian Legg - Mrs. Crowe's Blue Waltz: Best guitar album I've bought since
Metheny & Hayden (that includes Crystal Planet). There are some incredible
melodies on here, and much like Charlie Hunter, you gotta wonder how he
does it all on one guitar.
Joshua Redman: Live at The Village Vanguard: OH MY GOD! Two discs of insane
jazz music. He was nothing like this when I saw him in April, that's for
sure! I have to say that any jazz fan MUST BUY THIS ALBUM!
So those are some recent purchases from the used and new front. I just
ordered a butt load from Columbia House in a nother one of my music binges.
Soon you may read reviews of Lisa Loeb, Everclear, and Mark Whitfield... I
see you all shuddering at the prospect...:)
Stodgers lost his job and is happier than hell because of it!
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:48:45 EDT
From: Devs0432@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mtg/concert
Message-ID: <3e5b1810.359843fe@aol.com>
Choon-Kang,
>I will be travelling the US to see DT in Maine, Mass, CT and Long Island.
>Who is there from the Jamfamily and would like to meet?
>I will spend a week in NY afterwards, vacational purposes
I and a good friend of mine are going to the Long Island (or Lawn Guyland)
show, and I know that at least another jammer or two were going...we were sort
of figuring out a meeting amongst ourselves. Maybe we'll catch you at the
show! I do hope your U.S. trip goes well...get in touch with me if you want
about a possible meeting.
Alex
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:53:03 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT concept album
Message-ID: <199806300154.SAA07999@baygate.bayarea.net>
Hey all,
I was talking about music this weekend with three good buddies of
mine (know as Fit Fare Slim Slam, the Green Lantern, and Clicking
Stick Boy). In particular we got to talking about Dream Theater, and
also about some of our all-time favorite albums. And we all had a
similar thought, which I'll present in this post.
Consider the following albums:
Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall, The Final Cut
Queensryche: Operation Mindcrime
Fates Warning: A Pleasant Shade of Gray
Genesis: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick
Marillion: Misplaced Childhood, Brave
Boston: Third Stage
What do all of these albums have in common? They all kick ass, and
each album is one of the best by that particular band.
What ELSE do all of these albums have in common? They are all
concept albums! Not only that, but many of the bands I listed above
have influenced Dream Theater. Therefore, I can't help but imagine
how INCREDIBLE it would be if Dream Theater did a concept album.
Now, of course there would be some stumbling blocks. First of all
there's the record company to contend with, and also the fact that
DT already has some plans for at least the next studio album. (I
certainly don't want them to scrap Metropolis Part 2!)
Also, most good concept albums are guided by the vision of one person
and one person only, especially in the department of lyrics (Roger
Waters on The Wall, Peter Gabriel on The Lamb Lies Down, etc.).
Dream Theater, on the other hand, has always been a band where
several people contribute to the lyrics. Thus a DT concept album
would probably require one of the band members to find the motivation
and the inspiration to take on the role of lyricist and to provide
the vision for the entire album.
However, if these stumbling blocks could be overcome, I have no doubt
that Dream Theater could produce an amazing piece of musical art that
would stand the test of time and be looked at years from now as one
of the essential albums of its era.
-The Yellow Lantern
=====================================================================
| "A dominatrix to the first degree | |
| She'd rather die before she'd set you free | Rising Power |
| Hook, line and sinker is what she wants | 'Goddess of Pain |
| A nasty bitch she's no debutante." | and Pleasure' |
=====================================================================
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:17:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Chroma Key
Message-ID: <01IYTOXEXER68WWI0K@LTU.EDU>
Wow,
I'm surprised by the reactions on the Jam so far. I personally think
this CD to be a superb piece of music. I would classify it as
Adult Contemporary type music which I love. Kind of Gabriel, Sting type
music.
Undertow has to be (IMO) the best track on the disk.
If you like Adult Contemporary type music, do yourself a favor and
purchase this CD. If not, it's still worth it to play on long
car trips.
Later,
Jeff E.
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:43:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The shocker of the day (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980629223650.56950C-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
Hey all. Hope you'll forgive the lack of DTC, but I figured with the
number of Queensryche fans on this list, a lot of you will get a kick out
of this. I got this off the AOR mailing list. It is an interview with Neal
Schon of Journey. The interviewer is asking him about the other people the
band auditioned for the vocalist position before settling on Steve Augeri.
Read on:
---How many other suggestions did you get?
NS: We tried out the guy from Queensryche.
So you did do that!
NS: We tried Geoff Tate, yeah. He came out and we actually wrote a pretty cool song with him but he was not the right guy to cover the old material. When we tried playing the older material it obviously was not the right guy. But a super nice guy as well.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:57:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Concept Albom Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980629195337.13798C-100000@otter.mbay.net>
I have to agree with Scott. A concept albom would be way dope. I can't imagine the concept they decide to go with, but I'd really request that there be some really obvious themes that run throughout. Of course, I have no wright to request anything because I'd prefer that the guys have ample freedom of creativity. The one argument with concept alboms I've had is that I'd really like to see them in *kind of* a rock opera format. Have an overature that introduces the main themes of the albom. It would be instrumental. Then use those themes throughout. It would be even more challenging, in a way. Anyway, it'd be sweeeeeeet. Be well. The Green Lantern P.S. Clicking Stick Boy, Yellow Lantern, and Fit Fare Slim Slam kick tons of ass.
============================================================================ ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! Guitarist in the Santa Cruz/Monterey area of California seeks innovative, experimental, technical, and fun-loving musicians to create works of art and share them with the public. Enquire if interested. mattb@mbay.net ================================================================================= "With Man gone, will there be hope for Gorilla?... With Gorilla gone, will there be hope for Man?" (Daniel Quin) "A dominatrix to the first degree, she'd rather die than set you free, hook line and sinker is what she wants, a nasty bitch she's no debutante." (Mike Portnoy?, Rising Power, Goddess of Pain and Pleasure)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:20:20 EDT From: KEZCOM@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Concept Album Message-ID: <5c056911.35985975@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-29 21:14:17 EDT, you write:
<< Thanks Mike, for pushing for the double album. Yet another reason to be thankful for having such a great guy working the system for us from the inside. Jon >>
AMEN Brother Jon!
Just had to, Kez
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:28:19 EDT From: AEllis1222@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ChromaKey Message-ID: <a9a61fdc.35985b54@aol.com>
Hmm, ok, time to start dissecting the CD. The second line in the first song is "Back again, 6AM, far from sleep" and the first song on Awake is "6:00". Coincidence? Does 6 Am have some kind of meaning? Anyway, I like the CD, but I could do without "Camera 4" and "Hell Mary". "Colorblind", "Undertow" and "On The Page" are great songs. I doubt I'll be listening to this CD on a sunny July day cruising around with the t- tops odd though!
Anybody Else? Art
www.joestump.com ---------------------------- members.aol.com/aellis1222/art.html
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:46:55 EDT From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: allman brothers really pink floyd and more Message-ID: <99e1263d.35985fb0@aol.com>
so last night i had the fortune of going to see the allman brothers live at jones beach. other than the fact that i hear "whipping post" and "melissa" at every bar i've ever been in and that they're a great band, i knew nothing else of them.
well, i gots to say.....it was a short show, but man.....it was really good. i was bit confused, however, when i see a movie screen pop up with these weird floydian movie-things upon said screen (and mushrooms....mushrooms everywhere! is that all you georgians do?). i wasn't sure if i was watching dicky betts or david gilmour for some time (notwithstanding the trademark hat betts wears).
the allmans have some tradition as being a great guitar band, and they lived up to that billing. the slide guy (whose name i forget, and he had the flu!) was fascinating. scary to think that duane allman would've probably sodomized him when it comes to slide playing, but this guy was doing some pretty freaky shit.
but yeah, that's that. onto other things.
the only thing i'll say about the chormakey cd is everything metzger said about it, plus the fact that i'm bummed "blanket" didn't make the cd. oh- and yeah, i'm looking forward to seeing him live (whenever that happens).
something tells me i'm glad i haven't read this bahr wars shit. i've been really good at just scrolling lately, i suppose. ;-)
there- have a might time pissing on yerselves, and til next time.
officially a survivor of the first year of law school (much props to tim lodge for graduating and good luck on the bar, ya bastard), wild fucking koba
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi new york law school thrak75@aol.com
"i bring laughter, i bring music...i will soothe your primal fears." -n. peart ************************************************************************
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Date: 29 Jun 98 18:22:21 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Dt concept Album Message-ID: <199806300358.UAA02706@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
]From the keyboard of Fit Fare Slim Slam: >that huge CD collections are not material possesions, but >spiritual belongings and the soundtrack to your life...
I don't think anyone who is as obsessed with music as most of us would see it as any sort of "material" thing... It is far too important and abstract..
>Why doesn't DT do a concept album?
An excellent question.. A DT concept album would probably be unbelievable.. The only SLIGHT drawback that I can remotely think of is that perhaps sticking to a single topic would limit the variety of music on the disc. However, a single story can have many twists and turns, so maybe this would not be the case.. This is an excellent topic to discuss, however. (Mike, are you listening?)
>I know it's a totally cliched prog idea
I think it's a natural step for musicians trying to push the limits of what they can do within today's standard methods of music dissemination. We can already see that DT has a tendency to tie disparate songs together with common musical themes - you've got WFS/LTL, Erotomania references, Mirror/Lie, etc. The only thing missing is the lyrical connection.
The next question is how "obvious" do you want the concept to be? It can be a very subtle thing, where one must really analyze the lyrics to notice, or an obvious "storytelling" concept album, like Savatage's "Streets". I think I prefer to know that my interpretation of something is at least CLOSE to the writer's intended meaning. Sometimes being forced to analyze something too deeply dilutes the meaning, as X people will come up with X different interpretations and the writer is really not communicating anything intentionally.
>P.S. hello to Clicking Stick Boy (aka CSB), and the green and yellow >lanterns! You guys rule!
Ha! Thanks for your hospitality. We'll have to finish off that bottle of Jaegermeister soon in honor of MP. For now, a blast from his past... (see sig)
-CSB.
===================================================================== | "A dominatrix to the first degree | Rising Power feat. | | She'd rather die before she'd set you free | _MIKE PORTNOY_ | | Hook, line and sinker is what she wants | 'Goddess of Pain | | A nasty bitch she's no debutante." | and Pleasure' | =====================================================================
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:11:25 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Videos Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980630001125.007c6760@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
How Many of you have first generation videos?
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