YTSEJAM Digest 4023
Today's Topics:
1) Hmmm...
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
2) DT on radio
by "Anderson, Brian D" <BAnderson@sdms.usa.xerox.com>
3) re:Portland Me. show cancelled
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
4) Chroma Key review
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
5) storyhill?
by Alex Fraser <id@dreamt.org>
6) DERIK and Ska?!?!?!?
by Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
7) Yes albums -- boring??
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
8) Yes albums
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
9) Re: Yes albums -- boring??
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
10) It's over! The trip, not Bahr Wars...
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
11) Re: The Ryan Park Executioner
by "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
12) Re: It's over! The trip, not Bahr Wars...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
13) live maiden reviews????
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu>
14) Kansas live...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
15) DT concept Album
by Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:35:34 -0500
From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hmmm...
Message-ID: <3597DE76.24A@auburn.net>
> From: MaxArbot@aol.com
><belhai@drew.edu> writes:
>
> << I swear, there's this one wrestling fan who always shows up on
> every WWF TV show each week and he looks very much like Petrucci. >>
>
> You watch wrestling? Haha haha haha...
You listen to Tangerine Dream? Haha haha haha...
:)
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:41:46 -0400
From: "Anderson, Brian D" <BAnderson@sdms.usa.xerox.com>
To: "'Da Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: "'Babs'" <babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu>
Subject: DT on radio
Message-ID: <201BB34B3A73D1118C1F00805F1582E88C2CB9@x-wb-0128-nt8.wrc.xerox.com>
Hello all,
Almost had a heart attack while listening to our local radio station
here in Rochester, NY. They played an ad, that said they will be
playing DT tonight on their new music show. So for anyone that's in the
area, and reads this beforehand, DT will be played tonight (monday) at
10:00 on 96.5 WCMF. This will be the first time they've played DT since
PMU, way back in '93. Hopefully they'll gain a few more fans.
-Brian Anderson
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:02:16 -0400
From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re:Portland Me. show cancelled
Message-ID: <3597E4B7.EF15C551@seacoast.com>
>Hi Jamers,
>the show in Portland, Maine on August 4th has apparently been
cancelled.
>I got this from a local fan who wanted to attend this concert, but was
>told so even he had already bought a tickets some weeks prior!!!
>Cheers
>Choon-Kang
I also have tickets for this show[ 4 th row] I hope I don't get screwed,
Mike Portnoy had it confirmed in the dates he sent to the jam. the
Ticketbastard website lists it as cancelled, they also list it as ELP,
no mention of DP, if any one has more info it would be appreciated.
Bob
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:13:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chroma Key review
Message-ID: <19980629191325.2837.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
I received the Chroma Key disc "Dead Air for Radios" this weekend, and
was able to give it enough listens for an initial review:
Dead Air for Radios can be described as a "mood" piece. It pretty much
maintains a consistent, somber, melancholy mood through all of the
songs. Because of this consistency, it does seem to sound all the same
on the first listen. This is not necessarily bad, since the
"everything sounds the same" effect happens a lot when listening to a
type of music that is not familiar.
It sometimes helps to list the influences that are evident when
describing a new recording. Not being totally familiar with this style
of music, it is difficult to draw comprehensive comparisons. It does
have a techno, modern rock feel to it. Some artists that I am familiar
with who are similar include Peter Gabriel, Depeche Mode, New Order,
Sade, Pink Floyd, Bob Welsh and Tool. Of course the comparison is with
the "somber" side of these artists. As a mood piece, the recording
could be compared to Peter Gabriel's Security. This comparison is made
stronger by the vocals, which come out very similar to Gabriel.
For fans of dialog sound bites ala Pink Floyd, Queensryche or Dream
Theater, you won't be disappointed. They are abundant throughout the
recording.
For guitar fans, there is hardly any guitar. For fans of solos (guitar
or keyboard), there are no solos. This could be a problem for those
who need some serious indulgence in their music. I must admit that I
was itching for a song to "break out", but it doesn't happen. But
enough of comparisons to other styles…
The recording is short by current standards. It clocks in at 44:09
minutes, and 2 of the songs, although interesting, are more or less
filler, consisting of dialog sound bites, with background music
(camera 4 and hell mary).
Within the context of the style of this recording, here's a
description and rating of the songs:
colorblind - Very techno feel to it, due to the pulsing synth. The
song starts with very effected voice, and then moves into the cleaner
sound. Has some nice piano lines. The pre-chorus is very Gabriel-like.
(8/10)
even the waves - Many may be familiar with the demo version of this
song. Here it is in a pristine state. This song contains the most
guitar of any song on the album. Some strong rhythm chords during the
singing. Subtle and simple guitar soloing at the end of the song. (8/10)
undertow - A very catchy tune! After the first few listens, it stands
out the most. Starts off with a more upbeat drum part. Includes some
cool little guitar fills, and a fast, catchy piano line. Song
structure as a whole is more diverse and the vocal melody is less
monotone than other songs. Would like to have heard the last
"Goodbye"! (10/10)
america the video - A very techno-style, synth-heavy song. A little
more upbeat than the rest of the recording. (6/10)
s.o.s - A demo-version of this song has circulated a lot, so many are
familiar with this one. It is good to have a clean version. (7/10)
camera 4 - Not really a song, but dialog with techno-music behind it.
Interesting, but after few listens, it gets a little old. May work
better as background music. (5/10)
on the page - Excellent piano work! Anyone who is looking for
something similar to previous work such as Space-Dye Vest will find it
here (although without the emotional lyrics). Chorus vocals may take
some getting used to, but the music is top notch. (10/10)
mouse - A very melancholy, mood setting song. The songs starts with a
dialog and there are lots of sound bites in the background. Part of
"on the page" is reprised at the end of the song. (7/10)
hell mary - Not a song, but an interesting work. Seems to be a
computer generated voice, describing some type of solar/astrological
event. Sound effects for a background. Kind of a story/mood piece.
(7/10)
As an overall rating, I would give it a thumbs up! With the obvious
warning that this is not a "prog-metal" recording.
My $.02, BH
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:33:00 +0000
From: Alex Fraser <id@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: storyhill?
Message-ID: <01IYT8SAKHIM8Y4YDH@carleton.edu>
> Meanwhile do yourself a favor and go buy some Storyhill. Ask Korgx3 for
> more information. :)
Storyhill? you mean the two-man acoustic guitar guys? if not, i'd
be interested to know what you're talking about. if so, well i went
to the same college as them, so i've seen 'em a few times...
peace,
id
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:47:33 -0400
From: Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DERIK and Ska?!?!?!?
Message-ID: <01BDA375.65B984C0@ppp-13-ts7.nerdc.ufl.edu>
I was thumbing through a couple of my brother's Ska CD's when I ran =
across a band called "Rocket fromthe Crypt". To my surprise, it was =
produced by Kevin Shirley! However, the biggest surprise was that Derik =
Sherinian played the keyboards for the ska album!!!! Has anyone else =
heard of this or is Derik keeping quiet about this????=20
d a u s s t u d e n b e r g=20
"few will try, most will quit" - Tom Ryan
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:04:43 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes albums -- boring??
Message-ID: <199806292005.NAA14391@baygate.bayarea.net>
> Okay, on to Yes, I think "90125" and "Talk" are just great. "Big
> Generator" is pretty weak except for a couple songs. Now here's when I
> start getting hate mail... I heard "Fragile" and "Union", and I think
> they're both really boring. I mean, they have really cool sections in
> them, but they just get really old.
I'll agree with you that "Union" is pretty boring. I would chalk
that one up as probably the weakest Yes album ever made. On the
bright side however, it spawned an extremely cool tour.
As for Fragile, I don't share your opinion. However, might I venture
to guess that part of the reason you get bored is the fact that
really only about half of Fragile was written and recorded by Yes as
a band. The rest of the album consists of solo pieces by each of the
band members. In my opinion some of those solo pieces could be seen
as a bit boring (though I enjoy most of them). If Fragile turns you
off, might I recommend you check out "Close to the Edge" or
"Relayer." Both are full band performances from beginning to end,
and I think that most DT fans would not find them boring.
> Now, once you've gotten beyond the
> shock of that, can anyone please tell me about "Open Your Eyes"?
I'm not crazy about "Open Your Eyes". I like it in small doses (one
or two songs at a time), but any more than that and it starts to get
very monotonous. For most people who are into complex music, I would
recommend first checking out the older titles I mentioned above.
However if your favorite Yes albums are "90125" and "Talk," then
"Open Your Eyes" might be more up your alley.
Paul
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Paul Humm
humm@levy.com
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:39:29 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes albums
Message-ID: <199806292040.NAA27540@baygate.bayarea.net>
Damon Fibraio wrote:
> As for albums themselves, pick up The Yes
> Album, Fragile, and Close to the Edge first. Then, you can follow up with
> Relayer, Tales from Topographic Oceans, Going for the One, and Tormato.
> then you can get Drama, 90125, Big Generator, Union, and Talk. Follow
> those up with Anderson Bruford Wakeman and Howe. (BTW, the live ABWH
> album, an evening of yes music plus is another good compilation live
> album, if you can deal with the abwh tracks from the anderson bruford
> wakeman ablum.)Finally,g o back for the Yes and Time and a Word first
> albums. They are my least favorite. Do it in that order and you should be
> happy.
I think that this just about perfectly sums up the order in which to
buy the Yes albums, assuming that you have already heard one of their
compilations ("Classic Yes," "The Very Best of Yes," etc.) and have
determined that you like them. The only changes I would make is to
add both "Keys to Ascension" albums somewhere in the list, and to
move "Tormato" to the end of the list along with "Yes" and "Time and
a Word."
Paul
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Paul Humm
humm@levy.com
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:19:44 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Yes albums -- boring??
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980629180826.28455A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Paul Gregory Humm wrote:
> As for Fragile, I don't share your opinion. However, might I venture
> to guess that part of the reason you get bored is the fact that
> really only about half of Fragile was written and recorded by Yes as
> a band. The rest of the album consists of solo pieces by each of the
> band members. In my opinion some of those solo pieces could be seen
> as a bit boring (though I enjoy most of them).
Well, I agree with you that some of the "solo" pieces (some of
them aren't that much of "solo" pieces) may be not appealing from a
listener standpoint, but if you like to see pure self-indulgent music,
you'll be delighted with those syncopations of "Five Percent for Nothing".
:-) Even "Cans and Brahms" is cool, despite the Hammond organs (no,
Cassiano, I don't like these damn organs :-) ). But "Mood for a Day" is
the absolute winner there. It gives me pure joy. Sheer beauty. I don't
know of any other phrase which could express my feelings towards those few
magic minutes.
> If Fragile turns you off, might I recommend you check out "Close to the
> Edge" or "Relayer." Both are full band performances from beginning to
> end, and I think that most DT fans would not find them boring.
On the other hand, "Gates of Delirium" might be too much for some
people... I do like it when the guys are playing things almost
mechanically, in the middle of the song. The first time I heard it, I
thought the CD was scratched! :-)) I'm serious! :-) I don't have the CD
right here so I can't give you the exact timings...
> I'm not crazy about "Open Your Eyes". I like it in small doses (one
> or two songs at a time), but any more than that and it starts to get
> very monotonous. For most people who are into complex music, I would
> recommend first checking out the older titles I mentioned above.
> However if your favorite Yes albums are "90125" and "Talk," then
> "Open Your Eyes" might be more up your alley.
I may have mentioned this earlier, but of their newer albums,
"Keys to Ascention II" is really worth getting, if only for "Mind Drive."
That is, of course, IMO.
> Paul
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:20:24 -0400 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: It's over! The trip, not Bahr Wars... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980629212024.0074da38@pop.pipeline.com>
I have been away on a vacation that saw me drive through the states of Maryland, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Washington, North Dakota and Michigan. Not a bad way to spend a few weeks. Observations. There are more cows in Wyoming than people. I have to laugh at people who complain about the heat and humidity when it's 75 with 20% humidity. Come visit the mid-east coast swamp! There are some serious mayonaise-sandwich-inbred-gene pool people in North Daokta. No, this has nothing to do with my wife getting a speeding ticket there! (Although the fact that Montana has no daytime speed limit ruined us for the rest of the trip.) Uh, there are fewer black people in Northern Idaho than I have fingers on one hand. It was weird. I was at this huge grocery store, an amusement park, a restaurant - something was wrong...what was it? No black people. It's strange. Maybe that's why the people up there have a racist rep; no exposure so it's easy to demonize people who are different. Motels. Believe that there are people whose snores can rattle your dentures, even if you have your original issue set of pearlies. It's cold! It's hot! It's $70 for a makeshift cot! *groan* New novel by caucasian-american author Kevin "maya angelou" Madden: "I know why the long-haul trucker is fat." Road food will kill you! A&W Bacon Cheeseburger, or Wendy's bacon Cheeseburger? More Dairy Queen Blizzards for your lumpiness? Bacon? Bacon? Snausages? Oh, sir, would you like to see our dessert menu? Another bag of Doritos, Jeeves!
Uh, nice struggle Caps.
Mike Bahr. Let's get this straight. You have no time to respond to what I will term "piddly" e-mail regarding your "professional" operation, but you insist that each and every semi-flame (legit criticism, too) that comes your way has to be, nay MUST be answered. Ever hear of priorities? And that little Philospohy 101 thing lost me. I must have been looking for too many great potatoes up in Idaho.
Cds. Driving across country gives a person plenty of time to listen to lots of cds. You get to listen to some of the stuff you haven't heard for awhile. On the other hand, I had to listen to a buncha the wife's 80s alternative shit like the Cure, Big Pig, The The, Love and Rockets, and that sort of stuff. *Shudder*
I drew the line at TLC. Shit wasn't being played. But then I had to comprimise and leave the King Diamond in its case ;-(
Back to yer squabblin'
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97, 1997-98 Stanley Cup Champions
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:52:24 -0500 From: "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: The Ryan Park Executioner Message-ID: <000b01bda3a8$34403be0$25bd2581@ryan-park>
Chris Ptacek wrote:
> <HTML> > <B><BLINK><H1> > TURN OFF THE GOD DAMNED HTML! > </H1></BLINK></B> > </HTML>
Sorry about that... it's sad that I've been using this e-mail software (Outlook Express bundled with Windows 98) for two weeks and didn't notice until I sent a post to the Ytsejam!
And I understand how frustrating it can be: Eudora Pro 4.0 croaks when there's an HTML message in a digest. The rest of the digest is unreadable.
Ryan
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: It's over! The trip, not Bahr Wars... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980629145425.9139A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Kevin Madden wrote: >Mike Bahr. Let's get this straight. You have no time to respond to >what I will term "piddly" e-mail regarding your "professional" >operation, but you insist that each and every semi-flame (legit >criticism, too) that comes your way has to be, nay MUST be answered.
Slander snowballs. A legitimate criticism may seem small, but, it is also a very large bandwagon. Anybody who has a complaint will jump on... kind of like a forest fire. What Mike is doing (too abrasively, I might add -- another bandwagon to jump on! ^_^) is putting out fires.
I know what it's like to run a legitimate business (a business need not be 100% moral or legal to be legitimate, otherwise, there would be no legitimate businesses...), and try desperately to keep your product moving while complaints crop up in a public forum. It should be (and very often is) the first (though not prime) concern of any small business owner who must act as his own PR department. Get up, check the newsgroups and mailing lists, brush teeth, check customer e-mail, get dressed, turn off alarm. That's usually how the day starts.
Mike Bahr's priorities are as straight as they can get, considering he really should have two more employees. Three people could run that business fine.
>Ever hear of priorities? And that little Philospohy 101 thing >lost me. I must have been looking for too many great potatoes >up in Idaho.
It was logic. I suggest a straight logic class, or Discrete Mathematics (first term teaches logic -- the rest is dedicated to destroying it... ugh).
Maybe you got lost because Philosophy is the art of getting lost in logic. Who knows, maybe it was all the road food. Or the Celine Dion... ^_^
--Matt (No harm intended)
-------------------------------------------------------------------- "Saying a band is 'progressive' because they wear pirate shirts and write songs about the discovery of tungsten, yeah, we made that up." --Brian Henderson --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:54:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: live maiden reviews???? Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980629185030.10357A-100000@bergman.umail.ucsb.edu>
How about some reviews of the MAIDEN/Dio tour. It is a little dissapointing that the rumored line up was also going to include MALMSTEEN, WASP, HELLOWEEN, UFO but now, there are only two major bands. Metal needed a large festival tour other than Ozzy, and some of the shit he brings around like limp bitzkit and coal chamber. Man those guys are fucking awful.
also, go out and but SENTENCED's "Down". This album kicks a lot of ass. One of the best albums I have heard in a while. The death is gone and replaced by awesome heavy metal.
-- Conrad Chi uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kansas live... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980629160920.7728A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Last night, I was lucky enough to see Kansas play live at Griffith Park here in Beaverton. It was a festival (Taste of Beaverton), so I was only set back five bucks. I'm still a little in shock -- this is the first big rock band I've ever seen live. It kicked too much ass for words. They played a lot of classic songs (including a really cool rendition of Cheyanne Anthem -- awesome!), plus some off the new album. The highlight of the night was Elenor Rigby -- I had flashes to TSO or Savatage. I wonder if the studio version off the new album sounds that good...
It also stands as the first show I recorded (chuckle). All I had that worked was a mono tape recorder (not micro, but it isn't exactly DAT). The tape came out okay, but I fucked up the first three songs. But that's okay, because I ran out of tape and recorded over them to get the encore (Carry On). I did get a decent sound for Cheyanne Anthem, Elenor Rigby, Point of Know Return, Hold On (not sure of the name), and Carry On. (maybe another song or two -- I don't have the tape in front of me). I'll put some .mp3's of it on a homepage sometime and then tell you guys about it.
Laterz
--Matt (The Bootlegging Fool)
-------------------------------------------------------------------- "Saying a band is 'progressive' because they wear pirate shirts and write songs about the discovery of tungsten, yeah, we made that up." --Brian Henderson --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu> To: YTSE JAM DIGEST <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT concept Album Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980629163711.20523A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
Hey jammers
Long time no post. first of all, I would like to agree with what Neil said about DT being THE band he never knew he'd always been looking for. :) Also, this has been a few jams ago, but whoever the guy was that said that huge CD collections are not material possesions, but spiritual belongings and the soundtrack to your life...you rock! That is exactly how I look at it. I don't buy all kinds of CD's just for the sake of having them. I actually *enjoy* listening to music, I mean sitting down and really getting into the tunes, not just playing them in the background while reading or at work (although I do this too). I have always felt that way about music, but have never had the knack for for eloquently putting my thoughts into words.
Ok, the next thing that's been bugging me is this: If you ask me which are my favorite CD's out of all of my collection, I will tell you, A PLeasant Shade of Gray, Misplaced Childhood, Operation Mindcrime, Crimson Idol (thanks to whoever recommended this one!), and others which elude me at this time. And what do all of these albums have in common? They are all concept albums. Now here's where I get to my point. Why doesn't DT do a concept album? I know it's a totally cliched prog idea, but I have to admit, concept albums move me way more than just the average collection of tunes. Now could you imagine DT doing one? Do you have any idea how friggin' awesome that would be? Plus I know that Portnoy himself has mentioned in interviews that he would love to do one.
Now, I know that there is still lots of unreleased material and live performances to be released (hopefully soon) but I would hope that DT would consider this as a possibility for an upcoming album. If this did occur, I am absolutely positive that it be my altime favorite album. Plus the fact that of any band out there, DT could do one hell of a job with a concept album. For example, if Fates can write such an amazing album like APSOG, imagine a DT concept album. That's all for now. Discuss.
-Fit Fare Slim Slam
P.S. hello to Clicking Stick Boy (aka CSB), and the green and yellow lanterns! You guys rule!
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