YTSEJAM Digest 4029
Today's Topics:
1) The day's just filled with official news...
by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
2) Re: Ten years ago...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
3) Re: Ten years ago...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
4) Re: EOJ
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
5) colorblind lyrics?
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
6) comceptual lyrics
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
7) Kevin Moore CDs
by Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
8) Journey
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
9) Re: where's my sex? (was- Re: Change for the Worse...)
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) Some ytsejammer thanks...
by Jeremy Garman <jgarman@pop3.utoledo.edu>
11) Order of appearance
by Cryptoman <cryptorl@thegrid.net>
12) Re: Order of appearance
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
13) Howard Stern / DT
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
14) Re: ProgMetal Origins; Dr. Mosh, where's my sex?
by "Younis Hilal" <yhilal@lightspeed.net>
15) concept album/other Prog bands
by "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com>
16) Steve Perry and Journey
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
17) Liveconcerts again??? july 15
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
18) hotmail, cybermoons, Jrny/Ryche, and the kitchen sink
by "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:32:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The day's just filled with official news...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980630182415.21890A-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
I've had the FAQ update ready for a few days here, and was hoping to get
the announcement in along with Mike's post about UaCM becoming the
official DT site (Congrats, Itchy!). Anyhow, the timing is a little off,
but both posts should make the same jam, so.... :)
Enough with that, check out the updated FAQ at
http://www.prognosis.com/gabbo/dt/dtfaq.html
It's stil getting settled in, and I'm still checking links and verifying
mirror sites. If you notice an error, have new info, or anything along
those lines, don't hesitate to drop me an email.
There will be another update in about a week to correct the 'bugs' this
time around, and I will be adding in a few new things, as well as giving
credit where credit is due, and possibly restructuring a few things.
I can't being to appologize for this taking so long, so I'm not going
to... any attempt is going to sound like an excuse, and the truth is, I
undertook a task which I was not prepared for at the time, and it's no
one's fault but mine. Now that I've got the ball rolling, updates should
be every other week or so. So if I start slacking again, everybody get
on my ass and get be back in gear. :)
Anyway, congrats to Itchy again, and to all of you for new stuff to enjoy!
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
| Pat Griffin gabbo@dreamt.org Reality Squared Design |
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:40:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Ten years ago...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980630163918.18856A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote:
>
> Well, if you people sent messages on the YtseCD mailing list
>(shameless plug :-) ), we could see if that's indeed true. :-)
Well, gee, Roger, that isn't a shameless plug. A shameless plug would
have an *ADDRESS* I could go to to find out more about this mysterious
concept you call the YtseCD mailing list. What is it? Why is it? Where
is it? How is it? How are you? Fine, thanks.
--Matt (the next on the boat outta here)
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"Saying a band is 'progressive' because they wear pirate shirts and
write songs about the discovery of tungsten, yeah, we made that up."
--Brian Henderson
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:42:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Ten years ago...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980630164129.18856B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote a bunch of stuff I misread...
..I then re-read the message, making use of my new-found language skills,
and thus replied:
Oh! That list!
But still, an address would be good.
--Matt (number 9... number 9... number 9...)
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"Saying a band is 'progressive' because they wear pirate shirts and
write songs about the discovery of tungsten, yeah, we made that up."
--Brian Henderson
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:45:15 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: EOJ
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980630194515.0079c140@pop3.afn.org>
>> From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
>> End of YTSEJAM Digest 4023
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>Scott, dont scare me like that. You havent posted in what, 3 years? You
>cant just jump up out of nowhere like that, and get an EOJ to boot. You're
>gonna give me a heart attack! :)
Told ya so. The end of the jam is the traditional place for returning
posted. Note Bafu, me, someone else I can't remember, now Scott.
Believe me, the software knows.
NP: David Sylvian - "Endgame"
- Never, ever, ever trust anyone, for the World is Hate.
(Milluminati Psycho) -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:56:11 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: colorblind lyrics?
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980630195611.007a2280@pop3.afn.org>
On the Chroma Key issue, I have to say that colorblind is a catchy
fucking song. A shame none of the other samples caught my interest,
but this one is friendly in a sort of Cure-on-the-soundtrack-for-the-Crow
fashion.
I want to be sure on a lyrical point. This one lyric, I like a lot, but
I'd hate to like it because of a mistake. The chorus, does it end,
Maybe (? ... sounds more like a muddle) I'm paranoid
And that's my problem.
You almost have to be
When you look like me.
(insert truly irritating "Yeah, yeah," at this point)
Sort of the story of my life, if it's true. Such a shame I didn't like
the rest of the samples.
- Never, ever, ever trust anyone, for the World is Hate.
(Milluminati Psycho) -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:58:46 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: comceptual lyrics
Message-ID: <199807010001.RAA03437@cats.ucsc.edu>
Personally, if DT did a concept album, I'd like to see all of them
contribute. Imagine that there are several different main characters in
the piece. Then we could have each of they guys focus on a character,
giving theyr lyrics a more personal style, with JP and JM doing the
narration bits, since their style fits better with that. Each song copuld
have lyrical contributions from several band members. I think that'd be a
hoot.
~Chris
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu
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\_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my |
./__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" |
// \ | \\ ----+
\| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:14:04 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin Moore CDs
Message-ID: <35997F4C.53@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
In response to the final release of Chroma Key, I just want to announce
that I am no longer offering "Kevin Moore Music Meant to be Heard"
because a few of the tracks did make the CK final cut. If you wanna hear
this stuff now, you'll have to go straight to Kev with your money. And
yes, all two orders for it still in the queue will be fulfilled as per
usual.
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - remove ANTISPAM in my address to reply - Hardcore fan of Dream Theater, King's X, Rush (the band), and more!!! - Magic: the Gathering "Duelists' Convocation Level 2 Certified Judge" - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ - If it's nae Scottish, it's CRAP!------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:48:56 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Journey Message-ID: <01bda41d$102c7dc0$675099d1@homewks>
Speaking of Journey, has anyone else picked up a copy of Journeys Greatest Hits-Live. The CD was taped over 3 concerts in 1982 and 1983. It covers all of their hits up to "Raised on Radio" (which in my opinion wasn't that good). The live CD is great! Some of you may not like Journey, but if you do, check out this CD.
Mike Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:29:40 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: where's my sex? (was- Re: Change for the Worse...) Message-ID: <004b01bda48f$bb77a160$2f0d84d0@korgx3>
Well, today was payday, so I took my semi-annual stride over to the local CD shops to browse the bargain bins for some enlightening new music, and here's what I'd found.
*Yes - Closer to the Edge.* Well, this was one of three I'd purchased today and, my bad, I'd walked out of the store without looking at the copyright year. I usually make it a point not to buy music older than me with a few exceptions. Anyway, If Spock's Beard is Dream Theater on meth, this album is Spock's Beard on acid. It's just too fucked up for my tastes. It took about 5 minutes of random improvised fuckfest to break into vocals that went off target, imo. This is one to save for a day when I have time to actually sit back and analyze it thoroughly. That's just not today. Definitely a BAD starter album. (For me anyway).
*Yes - 90125* Already heard it. It's just nicer to have it on CD than on cassette. It's like the stool in the collostomy bag. I haven't actually listened to this for years, so it's refreshing to pick it up again.
*Yes - Talk* Now, this album really hooked me. This is the way I get into the prog bands though. Pick up one of their most commercial releases and work my way back. Talk is not mainstream commercial, imo. It's just a nice kick back and let the rythmn do the talking album. I like it alot so far. Jon Anderson's voice is going to take awhile and a higher frequency hearing disorder to get used to, though.
*Abraxus Pool* This one had me yelling "HOLY SHIT!" when I ran across it. That was only after a casual glance at the back cover listed Neal Schon as the guitarist. This one kicks much ass. Very latin feel. Reminiscent of good old Santana stuff. (Basically cuz it is all the original Santana band guys). Definitely worth getting.
*Peter Gabriel - So* All I can say is, "where the hell has this sumbitch been hiding from me?" I consider this one the pick of the litter so far. I've heard alot of his stuff here and there, but it was always mood music or something so I never really paid attention. I'm probably the last person on the list to buy this so I probably don't need to go into detail. :) KICK ASS!
Anyway, I'm sure ya'all wanted to read that. :)
>The new URL is www.dreamtheater.net I just gotta say it's "about fucking time!" Good job, Itchster!
Thanks for all the recommends gang. This is gonna be a musical evening... :) --KorgX3
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:48:53 +0800 From: Jeremy Garman <jgarman@pop3.utoledo.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Some ytsejammer thanks... Message-ID: <01IYV2BMJS08006V5J@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
....From a fellow DT fan!(who isn't a 'jammer yet, but will be soon!) He wanted me to forward this on to this list.
>Hi jammers! >Dushko here, you know, the desperate one on the issue of Budapest >concert! > >I would just like to thank all of you who made this amazing concert to >become my reality - for your help and quick urgent infos. Special thanks >goes to: > >Jeremy Garman, Andras Varga, Totikus, Derek Sherinian, Somac and Miklos >Mester!!! > > THANKS GUYS! > >At last but not least, thanks to DT guys for giving the incredible show! > >Hopefully soon I'll officially join Ytsejam. Until then >YTSEJAAAAAAAAAM! > >>From Dushko >
************************************************** Jeremy Garman ICQ: 2891526 mailto:jgarman@pop3.utoledo.edu mailto:jgarman@usa.net mailto:jgman192@aol.com **************************************************
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:27:32 -0700 From: Cryptoman <cryptorl@thegrid.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Order of appearance Message-ID: <199807010226.TAA05234@pop.thegrid.net>
Could someone tell me the order of appearance for the DT/DP/ELP show? I would really like to go to the show in San Francisco but am not sure if I'll make it on time if DT is the opening band. Thanks...
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Order of appearance Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980630224314.549A-100000@mariner.cris.com>
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Cryptoman wrote:
> > Could someone tell me the order of appearance for the DT/DP/ELP show? I > would really like to go to the show in San Francisco but am not sure if > I'll make it on time if DT is the opening band. Thanks...
Yes, I believe DT is the opening band. Then ELP, and finally DP.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:51:54 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Howard Stern / DT Message-ID: <000101bda4a3$961dc5c0$042e88cf@jammer>
For those who have not heard, Howard Stern will be guesting on Magic Johnson's talk show "The Magic Hour" THURSDAY night this week.
I received the Open All Night bootleg of DT "Static Progress" 2-cd set, and I have not had a chance to listen to both cd's in their entirety yet. I will give my view on it a little later. It was received in a very short period of time and I love the artwork on the cover, inside, and the back. Even the cd's themselves have colorful labels, something I've missed for quite some time.
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:04:32 +0000 From: "Younis Hilal" <yhilal@lightspeed.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ProgMetal Origins; Dr. Mosh, where's my sex? Message-ID: <199807010336.UAA07297@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net>
> From: Earendil Asmodel <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no> > I dont know about you guys,but when I first listened to > Images and Words,I thought: > "What the fuck is this stuff? Thats the band they all say > it kicks butt? I spent $20 for THAT CD?! Heck,Posers!" Hehe. I know exactly what you mean, man. The first time I bought I&W on TAPE, I just couldn't get into anything after PMU. "Arrgh! Listening to this is too hard! It might as well be homework!" Hehe. Well, listening to a new CD still takes a bit of work, but I have a much better attitude about it now:).
> ------------------------------ > From: Alex Fraser <id@dreamt.org> > Subject: where's my sex? (was- Re: Change for the Worse...)
[crap about spanking, bondage, and shit like that deleted]
The reason you're not getting a reply from Dr. Mosh lately is that he's been EXTREMELY busy. He's got a trunk full of heroin in his car which he received last week and he's been trying very hard to consume it all before his next shipment of pot comes in this weekend(that one's coming in a semi trailer).
On top of this, he's had to deal with labor problems. A group of prostitutes from one of his rings in socal are threatening to form a union. Apparently, word got out earlier in the month that the good doctor had been investigating the possibility of expanding his San Diego prostitution operations into Tijuana. The CA whores fear that more Mexican labor will be brought in to the U.S. over the next few years, depressing prostitution rates throughout Southern California. This situation had started out bad to begin with, but this union thing just about gave our favorite doctor a heart attack when he heard. He's always been big on a "personal" relationship with each of his employees, and the problem with a union is that it just tends to throw up a huge wall between the boss and the employees. I mean, how's he supposed to get laid? Get dates? Get REAL!
Compounding all this has been the U.S. Coast Guard. It appears that they're catching on to the evasion tactics employed by the good doctor's crack-boat drivers. Just last night, we received word that his latest crack shipment had been gunned down by a Coast Guard cutter after a high-speed chase that extended well into the Pacific. Fortunately, a shipment had come in just two days earlier by submarine, but the good doctor now only has four crates filled with crack instead of the ten that he'd paid for, and BOY is he PISSED! It looks like he's gonna have to to tone down his crack consumption for a while, because submarine crack deliveries are a fairly new thing. There's only 2 subs in the world that do this, and they're booked with other deliveries for the next 3 months!
As you can see, the moshing doctor has got a lot of shit on his mind. That's why he hasn't been replying to your mail, and you really need to cut him some slack. His reduced crack consumption is already starting to tell on him, and he's been cranky as hell since he started cutting back 3 hours ago.
NP: Zero Hour--"Awaken" (RELAX, folks, it's only an mp3, hehehe) Younis Hilal------------------yhilal@lightspeed.net
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 01:07:15 -0400 From: "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: concept album/other Prog bands Message-ID: <01bd74bf$02883b60$LocalHost@default>
Hey fellow jammers. Seems like this summer is a busy time for prog bands releasing new material (uh hmmm....Mr. Portnoy? :) ) and was wondering how I should spend my "limited monatary resources". What other prog albums should I buy? I like hard music like pantera, old metallica, ozzy, life of agony, and my fav DT album is Awake (with ACoS a close second) . I bought Iced Earth's new CD (can't wait for the delivery) and Symphony X's Devine Wings of Tragedy, and I love DT and LTE. What other bands/cds would be good for my tastes?
As for the concept album idea, I say go for it! I think the whole band should contribute lyrics because I love MP's ACoS and JM's Learning to Live. how about incorpating the theme around Metroplis Pt. 2 though? just a thought.
Can't wait for that double CD! -Rob, bassicrob@geocities.com Visit my webpage for my latest NIN Desktop Theme, bass solo mp3's, and other useless info or my NEW Dream Theater page with artwork, rare MP3's and, coming soon: LTE Desktop Theme. Check the page for the release date! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:26:17 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>, <korgx3@safelink.net> Subject: Steve Perry and Journey Message-ID: <199807010534.WAA14314@odin.ax.com>
>What the hell happened to Steve Perry?
It all has to do with Steve's chronic hip problem, which is the reason why they haven't toured. This apparently caused an argument between Johnathan Cain and SP which led to the split. One thing that wasn't publicized as much is that Steve Smith has also left the band. Pretty sad. I was hoping to finally see one of my favorite bands live.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Birzer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music "The Longshot" but glittering prizes and endless compromises ICQ#13068879 shatter the illusion of integrity." longshot@pressroom.com Rush - The Spirit Of Radio --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 00:58:51 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: YtseJam@DreamTheater.com Subject: Liveconcerts again??? july 15 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980701005851.0081ead0@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
I visited liveconcerts tonight and it says that on july 15 we'll get a "Dream Theater conversation and concert" does anyone has any info on this? is it the same concert we got last time? please let me know if you know something (email privately) --- Alan Estrada Adler ICQ #9267174
MP3 of the week - "90's medley" by Dweezil Zappa and Mike Keneally at: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025/ Shredder's Lair: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/
Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:32:08 PDT From: "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: hotmail, cybermoons, Jrny/Ryche, and the kitchen sink Message-ID: <19980701063209.3251.qmail@hotmail.com>
Yellow Lantern, Roger, that's about what I would have said, except maybe I would have been more sarcastic... I think it's Hotmail. They also sent it when I didn't hit "send". They've been screwing up a lot lately, and I keep getting this "Document contains no data" crap. Then after 3X trying, it gets the stupid thing fine... so anyway, sorry (c:]>* UNDER A CYBER MOON is now the official site?! Kick ass! It's always been the best anyway! And that R.sabbs site SUCKED! UACM deserves the honor! OOOKAY, now, maybe I'm a total moron (well, that's a given :)), or maybe I picked back up on the jam on #4012, but I'm clueless on what "Age Of Impact" is, as well as the whole Journey/Perry or the Queensryche/DeGarmo thing. I went to Queensryche.com, and all the news there was about a proposed new album, and a huge tour if they sell over 6 million. But if all this was made really clear in the past jams, no need to respond - I'll most likely pick it up.
-Anyway, back to business. I hope all of you weren't turned off and read all the crap I put in #28? It really says a lot.Anyway, I got mail from Kevin Rackley, who is also a drummer (smooth), and totally digs "Optical Race" (kickass!) Alright, first I'd like to know what kind of band you're in. (did you get all my "Electric Fusion" stuff in #12?... Our name will most likely be AURORA BOREALIS or just AUREALIS. The covers will supply the added hard-core edge. Optical Race, Lily on the Beach, Miracle Mile, and Melrose are the albums "Private Music..." covers. Optical Race only has 2 tracks on The PMoTD. It's good as a sampler of that period, but someone like you needs to hear the other albums. I'll also recommend "Tournado", as a sort of sampler of their later stuff. See #28 for earlier... but you'll like it. But I can tell you'll end up hearing the other main works, too - as soon as you hear for yourself how much talent they really have. I'm just shocked at times (STILL!!) at the total kickass beauty... Which brings me to "Big Swifty", who says "220 Volt Live" (yep, name's right) is his favorite. It certainly is a pinnacle of their modern, ass-kicking career, that's for sure. It sounds like you know some others. Please, what are they? What do you like the most about each? I'd really like to know, and I'll read all you care to tell. I just joined TaDream's list, and so far I don't really know what to think. But if I leave or not, I'm going to start asking them who listens to DREAM THEATER! Wish me luck, I'm going to be busy...
ThanX to all jammers everywhere who have written to me and read about the 2nd greatest band ever! -MAX AMUNDO <maxamundo@hotmail.com> =^..^=
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