YTSEJAM Digest 3587
Today's Topics:
1) More yacking
by someone@prognosis.com
2) Yngwie and a harpoon, tonight on America's Stupidest Groin Videos
by Pat Griffin <shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
3) Fates in Dynamo 98 !!!
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
4) Things that make you go hmmm...
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
5) Wowzers
by someone@prognosis.com
6) Curious about MP3s
by Angus53 <Angus53@aol.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3586
by someone@prognosis.com
8) AWARD: Jon K.
by Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
9) Re: Validity of drummers
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3585
by "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
11)
by bah@bah.com
12) The Fastest?
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
13) On a lighter side!
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
14) Petrucci and Malmsteen
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 00:07:29 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More yacking
Message-ID: <199803010605.WAA07205@odin.ax.com>
> From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
> Subject: Yngwie Johan Malmsteen
>
> What have all you guys against Yngwie Johan Malmsteen ?
Nothing at all. He's just an easy butt end for jokes. I firmly
believe that the majority of the people on this list who knock him,
have never listened to his playing in the first place. When I
actually cut him down, it's usually lighthearted. The guy can
play... I just wish he could still WRITE
.
> He is one the best guitar player of all time.
> Without him, bands like Symphony X, Stratovarius would never make the
> music they do these days. Yngwie has create the style you call "Neo
> Classical Metal".
You just keep on believing that. :) Yngwie was influenced by
DiMeola and Uli Jon Roth, both of whom have neoclassical recordings
that pre-date Yngwie's. He's a big influence on a lot of players,
but if he had never come about, someone else would have. When Yngwie
arrived on the scene, there were already people who could play like
him. He was just one of the first to be promoted.
> I like all his albums. From Rising Force (1984) to Facing tht Animal (1997).
> It's true that sometimes his solo's sounds the same but it's not a bad thing.
Yes it IS. It's the WORST thing. It shows that he's a sort of
shallow writer, and the most important thing is the writing, not the
technique, if you ask me.
> Ynwie make still the best neo classical music --->>>> BACH AND ROLL.
That should read "Yngwie still makes the SAME neoclassical music...
over and over again."
> I can't wait to hear his Concerto album, which promised to be 1 of the best
> and inovativest instrumental album of all time.
It promises to be interesting. I'll offer that much.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:32:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yngwie and a harpoon, tonight on America's Stupidest Groin Videos
Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.95.980228233138.1119A-100000@devnull.cc.missouri.edu>
> Yngwie is arrogant but, hell he can play. He is giunus.
^^^^^^
Boy, isn't *that* a ringing endorsement. :)
Hey, guys? I heard a rumor that we are going to get sued by the Yngwie
mailing list for copyright infringement. Can we please stop this
conversation, I think 3 weeks is long enough. Why don't the six of you
who are still arguing about it just email each other and choose a mutually
agreeable location to meet and bludgeon each other with large heavy
objects. Hey, since we already have Chris Calabrese's address...
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
| Pat Griffin Reality Squared Design |
| gabbo@dreamt.org shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 07:40:44 -0800
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates in Dynamo 98 !!!
Message-ID: <34F9817C.2524@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Fates Warning will play on the Dynamo Open Air Festival 98 in Holland !!!
Stratovarius, Hammerfall, Fear Factory and many other bands will play
there as well.
During the Fates Warning tour through Europe, they will be some special guestes.
I would say, those guestes are maybe Kevin Moore and John Arch.
For more information about the tour, check out my Prog Or Die page.
Arash
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| PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page |
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| DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY |
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| http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm |
| OR |
| http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ |
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| by Arash Ashouriha |
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| ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de |
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:36:58 -0700
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Things that make you go hmmm...
Message-ID: <01bd44dc$6f831f40$1c0d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
Is it just me or does Herbal Essences Conditioner just rock?
--KorgX3
The previous is a basic demonstration of the general quality of the Ytsejam
Mailing List. For a list of advertisers in your area, please stand by.
Will the real Saddam please step forward?
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:01:08 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wowzers
Message-ID: <199803010659.WAA07501@odin.ax.com>
> "Dream Theater is a band."
- Chris Merlo
> Is it me, or does the Jam fucking RULE this week? :)
It feels like the good ol' days.
> From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
> Subject: Validity of drummers
>
> I know that putting down drummers as the lowest form of musical life is said
> in good fun, but I have a simple concept here.
I've done similar work, and you're right. I suppose I should make
sure this is clear: When I knock drummers, or those pussy "bass"
players, it's generally meant as a joke. True exellence on any
instrument requires immense amounts of time and effort, and it
doesn't matter if you're the primitive barbarian that beats on a
piece of wood and animal skin, or the clean, well groomed 7 string
virtuouso.
> From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: Validity of drummers
This post wins my "Completely unwaranted, 'out of the blue' flame of
the week" award. How could you have found something insulting in
that? Are you just holding a grudge from something Cal previously
said?
> From: Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
> Subject: Our Lady of Shrapnel
> > Can anybody list a "very best of Shrapnel records", i dont trust their own
> > reviews, they repeat the same things over and over for each artist.
>
> I can't list a very-best-of, but I can tell you what I've heard and how it
> sounds. The best reference for this question would be Chris Ptacek, who owns
> 8,261 compact discs, 7,388 of which are from the Shrapnel label. Above all,
> keep in mind that Shrapnel is for a specialized audience. If you are not an
> avid guitar freak like myself you probably won't like much of their catalog.
I'll go ahead and add some notes (though I agree with the ones Bafu
noted and would have worded my comments very similarly) :
Jason Becker: Perpetual Burn. This is the be all and end all of Neo
Classical, and there are few among the informed (both among
players who have their own shred albums out, and are mentioned on
this list, and among collectors and listeners) who will disagree with
this statement. He has all the chops and more, but on top of it all,
he manages to OOZE feeling and emotion, in a way that some people
reserve for only blues players. This guy is the reason I play
guitar, and he is where I learned that you can play fast and still
have a soul. You just can't imagine what you're missing if you don't
own this. Even my non-musician friends love this all instrumental
masterpiece.
Cacophony: Go Off, or Speed Metal Symphony. This is Becker and
Friedman, in what I believe is the most monumental and beautiful
shred guitar collaboration to date. The problem is, these are both
mainly comprised of vocal tunes, and the vocalist is VERY VERY BAD.
To quote the dude who got me into this band, when I was 12 years old,
"The guitars are certainly very ripping, but the singer sounds like
he gargles with Liquid Plumber." Go Off is, in my opinion, the
better of their two albums. The two instrumentals, and the solos in
the vocal tunes are more than worth the price of admission. I think
I'd go so far to say that these two albums are Becker and Friedman's
best recorded performances ever, better than either of their solo
works, in terms of soloing.
Greg Howe: This guy has 6 or 7 Shrapnel releases now. His first is
his most NeoClassical, in my opinion, and really epitomizes what 80's
shred metal guitar was about. Alive, kicking, and memorable. As
time has gone on, he's been influenced heavily by other players and
other styles (Garsed and Holdsworth seem to be the big ones), and now
he's doing some of the best fusion out there. He has immense
technique, and his phrasing is impeccable... when I listen to his old
stuff, I just love to groove with the shred, but when I hear the new
stuff, I often revert to the (now very rare) "What the fuck is he
DOING?!" mode (that's not to say that I can DO everything now... I
can just tell what techniques are being used usually)
Tony MacAlpine: All of his albums are amazing. He always has at
least one Chopin piece that he performs beautifully on piano on each
album, and SOMEHOW, he's able to shred equally well on keys and on
guitar. This guy is like MICHAEL.ANGELO. technically, but with more
feel, and a sort of "style" to his playing... very classy and very
cool... like you know he's not breaking a sweat as he whips out 32nd
notes across the neck. His best album, IMO, is Maximum Security.
Vinnie Moore: We lose a bit of emotion, and trade it for perfection
in technique. Vinnie doesn't hide behind 10ms of delay, like
MICHAEL.ANGELO. and picks with a standard technique (Unlike the way
M.A. braces and pivots off of the base of his fingertips). His
picking is so flawless, that it almost takes away from the impact of
the music... every note is hit with such a sickening precision. It
makes for some beautiful music. He always has an awesome keyboardist
(I think Rudess plays on at least one of his discs... can't recall
off the top of my head). He is one of about 5 players I know of who
can pick as perfectly as DiMeola (not about speed alone... about
perfection) but can also do legato, as smoothly and bogglingly as
Holdsworth.
Bafu said it best though... "When Steve Vai has nightmares, they
feature music by Ron Thal."
For those of you people who didn't know, MICHAEL.ANGELO.'s real name
is Michael Batio and he used to play with the band Holland. He's
now playing shows in the Chicago area under his real name, which
leads me to believe he may have shedded the vinyl pants and
sleeveless shirts and gone "normal." I see him around town all the
time. One of the most humble, and knowledgable shredders I've met.
As of last year, he was still wearing the glam gear and shredding
just like you remember, on stage at the Becker Benefit. I hope he's
gotten that out of his system, because he has a lot to offer.
> > Why?
>
> Versatility. I'm basically trying to say there's more to being a respectable
> guitar player than just shredding. John's already proved he's capable of
> changing styles and can still play with great ability.
I was just curious about the Billy McLaughlin reference. His
playing is actually quite easy (though fantastic, beautiful, and
impacting) to pull off. He doesn't reach for the complexity that
Hedges did.
You know... I still don't understand Hedges... he took simple songs,
and made them impossible to play, while making them sound simpler and
more natural. I don't understand how you do that to a song. I have
learned a bunch of his stuff, and I still just can't comprehend how
he came up with his methods. He was just the king. I truly love his
music, as much as I love anything in this world.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 02:09:39 EST
From: Angus53 <Angus53@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Curious about MP3s
Message-ID: <107303e2.34f909b5@aol.com>
I checked out the MP3 web sight, and downloaded a player. It didn't say
anywhere whether or not this stuff costs any money. Maybe I'm computer
retarted or something, but how does this work, and where do I find songs to
play. If someone could e-mail me privately with some info I would apreciate
it. Thanks
Andrew
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:23:47 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3586
Message-ID: <199803010721.XAA07657@odin.ax.com>
> From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
> musical goals. It was meant to be self-deprecating. It was also meant to
> show that you don't have to be a drummer to appreciate drums, a guitarist to
> appreciate guitar, etc, etc. That was more towards the comment that another
> ytse jammer made stating something like "and you're a drummer. You shouldn't
> comment on guitar." That isn't what was said exactly, but that was definitely
> what was implied.
What was meant was that I don't believe that a drummer can, without
having put forth a reasonable effort to try to PLAY the guitar,
understand guitar techniques in the same way as someone who has spent
the better half of his life doing little more than playing guitar.
You don't have to be a musician to appreciate music, or to appreciate
a virtuoso, but without significant experience playing an instrument,
you can't really qualify technique in the same way that a musician
can. If you don't believe this, that's fine, but I absolutely do
believe it. I know I can't say with any certainty who is the better
sax player, Coltrane or Parker, technically. I can't say who the
better drummer is technically, Dennis Chambers or Terry Bozzio...
Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa... etc. Why does Emerson sound more complex
to me than Rudess? My keyboard friends have told me that the
opposite is generally true of those two...
As a guitarist, there are certain things you can know about a song,
solo, etc, that a non guitarist can't. For instance, you can see the
shapes that Yngwie is playing as you hear him play them, where no
drummer who doesn't also play guitar can possibly do this (even if
the drummer has watched his friend play guitar, or watched Yngwie
previously). You can hear the difference between a tapped lick, and
a legato lick, by the tones of the strings, which dictate how many
notes are being played per string.... you can hear the difference
between perfect precise picking (like DiMeola) and slightly off
picking (Like most of Yngwie's, though I love a great deal of his
work).
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:27:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: AWARD: Jon K.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980301012051.17924B-100000@grover.eecs.uic.edu>
That's got to be the best greeting to a mouthy newbie I've read in a long
time.
Honestly guys (and gals), this list does have a lot to offer. You just
have to wade through the periodic waves of nonsense threads (and I'm not
blameless) to get some good content.
I've been lurking for years and I've been turned on to some fantastic
music because of you guys.
BTW, I HIGHLY recommend Lemur Voice's _Insights_. Great prog metal.
Cross between WDaDU & I&W.
And the list rolls on...
Glenn
P.S. I've heard people that suck, but Shannon Hoon is the biggest suck to
ever suck a suck. :)
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L. Glenn Waterfield
"Call for your physics
reading today!" "Live it up, boys. The meter's running."
- Harry Caray
Argonne National Lab
Waterfield@anl.gov
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:30:54 +1100
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Validity of drummers
Message-ID: <34F90EAE.7A0F36D3@sydney.net>
Calvin 6S wrote:
> On a let's get on with it note:
> Received LTE in the mail today. It's amazing. II don't agree it is where DT
> might have gone after IAW like others have said. I just think it is a great
> extension of four very talented musicians that can write and play excellent
> music on a whim!!! And before somebody so easily gets offended, no I don't
> think my remarks have any bearing on the lives of other people except the fact
> they may just decide to buy it if they hear enough good things about it.
I don't remember anyone saying that on this list.
Anyone expecting an 'I&W' part II orgy is going to be disappointed
though from the 4 songs I heard I am very impressed with.
It is as you said 4 very talented musicians playing some great
progressive
music.
Maybe DT should dump JLB, JM and DS and replace them with Tony Levin
and Jordan Rudess ?
Now there's a thought :)
graham
N.B. This post contains sarcasm, look it up in a dictionary before you
reply !
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:34:21 -0400
From: "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3585
Message-ID: <199803010738.BAA29785@hurricane.gnt.net>
> I am probably going to get "flamed" for this, but Joe Satriani has the
worst
> drums (usually a drum machine) I have ever heard. My friend asked me to
make
> a jam along tape to Crushing Day. I was never able to listen to Satriani
the
> same way again. Yeah, his guitar playing is phenomenal, but he should
"sub
> out" when it comes to drums.
>
Have you listened to the Joe Satriani album......Manu Katche, Peter
Gabriel's drummer plays on it and it has some good drumming. It was kinda
funny in the Home video where Joe is jamming in the studio and recording,
Manu was doing some real Cool drumming and it kept screwing Joe up.....once
he gets out his Drum Programmitis just imagine how awesome his music will
become.
Also I agree drums are not the most important part of a song but Good
drumming can make a good song great and bad drumming can make a Great song
sound like shit.
Anyone on this list Buckethead fans? If so he plays on three tracks on a
CD by Arcana it is another Bill Laswell Project....along the lines of
Praxis (if you haven't heard this check it out on Transmutation
Mutatis...something after that can't remember now.....you've got Buckethead
playing with Bootsy Collins.......daaaeee Groooveeee.) but anyways Arcana
is kinda experimental Jazz...and pretty darn good too.
Has anyone checked out Black Light Syndrome.....I knew that Bozzio was
Great..and I knew that Levin was Great.....and I Knew that Stevens was good
but I didn't realize he was that good
"Oh my god you killed Kenny, you Bastard"........Stan(Uhhh South
PARk....for those without a good cable hook up)
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:46:44 -0800 (PST)
From: bah@bah.com
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Message-ID: <199803010746.XAA11852@geocities.com>
BAH!
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:19:28 +1100
From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Fastest?
Message-ID: <l03020900b11ec98211fe@[131.217.133.78]>
Well, dammit, I wanted to stay clear of a "fastest guitarist" thing, but
here, I play my trump card:
Buckethead.
faster than any human. :)
Anyone who's heard him may agree? I can't guarantee anyone's heard him?
Check out all four of the albums by Praxis (stay away from the '1984' EP,
it isn't what it appears to be), or check out any of his solo albums, an
album by Giant Robot, either of the Death Cube K albuma, as well as HEAPS
of other stuff. He generally works in conjunction with Bill Laswell, so if
you're familiar with Laswell, you're prolly already familiar with
Buckethead.
He's up there as the fastest, without a doubt. I'm not going to say he IS
the fastest, with all these people seeming to know without a doubt who's
faster (if you sit next to a CD player with a stop watch in your hands, you
need to get out more!), but if you want super-fast guitar, check him out.
Seeya!
Chirs Groves.
cdgroves@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au
"And you hate me.... because of my lazy eye....."
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 03:16:57 EST
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: On a lighter side!
Message-ID: <5806562f.34f9197b@aol.com>
I have reveiwed my past posts to the Ytse Jam and discovered that I have
broken one of the 10 commandments of the jam. Make sure your messages are
bland enough so as not to piss anyone off! I have sinned against you! I was
told if I say 1,000 Hail Petruccis I will be forgiven: Well here it goes:
bpm = 208
Play with feeling Repeat
1,000 times
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Now if I were Yngwie Malmsteen I could have finished that much faster. Have I
pissed you off yet? I like it here. I'm not going anywere. So deal with it
and I'll deal with your hate mail. Send c/o calvin6s@aol.com. Hurry up and
do it before I have to pay $2 more and get a new email address! I have also
tabbed out many other arrangements like the above if you are interested!
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 10:04:43 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Petrucci and Malmsteen
Message-ID: <3317F12B.974B21D3@stones.com>
`Allo Jammers..
Last couple digests were getting kinda pathetic so I just HAD to
post this. I`m wondering how long will it take before people will
realise that u CAN NOT judge guitarists and tell this one is better,
this one sucks, this one is the best... at least not when we`r talking
about guitar gods like Malmsteen, Petrucci, Clapton (do I have to go
on?)... It`s all a matter of opinion. They all have their unique styles
and they`r all undoubtly extremely good at what they`r doing. It`s
either you like their music or you don`t..PERIOD! But you can NOT judge
their musicianship and talent. Malmsteen is such an unbelivable guitar
player that makes me shiver any time I hear him. U might not like the
masterbateolian sound of his solos, but that doesn`t make him a bad
guitarist. He also probably plays more notes in one solo than clapton
did in all his career, but that still doesn`t give you the right to say
who`s better. When I hear Clapton a verse of Sambora`s song crosses my
mind: "...and when he bend a note, a tear would fill my eye"...or
something like that. Claptons solo`s might sound boring to some people,
but only a tone deaf person can call Clapton a bad guitarist.
I`m not gonna waste words on Petrucci..he is the god of all guitar gods,
but u still can`t say he`s the best guitarist that ever lived. I can`t
imagine a thing that Petrucci plays and Vai couldn`t...and the other way
around.
OK..and now the reason I`m writing this...
This is for all of the buttmunches that spat on Malmsteen last couple of
days, but are true and dedicated fans of Petrucci. I`ll show you what
the man himself said about Malmsteen.
In the last Guitar magazine Petrucci listed 10 of the most important
albums in his collection. One of them is (GUESS!!!!!!) "Rising Force" by
(do I really have to tell you???) Yngwie Malmsteen!!!!!!!
and for those that haven`t read the article yet, I`ll retype it for your
viewing pleasure.
John Petrucci: Rising Force by Yngwie Malmsteen
" I was really getting into idea of playing fast and proficient, and
here was a guy that sounded like Al Di Meola playing heavy metal. His
use of vibrato and phrasing and runs and arpeggios was just amazing. I
was in the high school at the time this record came out and I would sit
in the back of the class with my headphones on, flipping out over what
Yngwie was doing. I couldn`t wait to go home and try to play his parts.
This album also encouraged me to go out and learn Bach and Paganini, and
study pieces that were both beautiful and technically challenging. It
gave me a whole new knowledge of single-note, classical type soloing "
`nuff said!
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