YTSEJAM Digest 3588
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YNGWIE AGAIN!!!!
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
2) Re: Petrucci and Malmsteen
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
3) Shrapnel Faves
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
4) So off topic
by Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
5) Re:Validity of drummers
by Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
6) Re: Gullible
by Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
7) Re:Yngwie and a harpoon, tonight on America's Stupidest Groin Videos
by Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
8) Re: graham
by Yakov Kouznetsov <provibe@club-internet.fr>
9) QR News Soon
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
10) Fender Stratocaster question
by Richard & Karin <karies@wxs.nl>
11) HELP ME !
by "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it>
12) The 40th Annual Ytsies !!!
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
13) Becker..TTT
by "Matt Evans" <bmajik@abeln621a.unl.edu>
14) YNGWIE, Deep Purple, MARK METZGER, Christmas CD, assholes
by WarrenDW <WarrenDW@aol.com>
15) Deep Purple and Dream Theater tour dates..CORRECTION
by WarrenDW <WarrenDW@aol.com>
16) Ngeewe
by someone@prognosis.com
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 03:39:35 -0600
From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YNGWIE AGAIN!!!!
Message-ID: <34F92CD6.7DDA@rollanet.org>
LISTEN EVERYBODY:
]From the drummer that gave such a good first impression--
I am not a Wingnut Malmsteen fan. I don't really care for his stuff
that much. I do have a couple of albums of his, and I like some of his
lead stuff, and yes it does get very repetitive.
I personally think Yngwie is an arrogant asshole, but I still respect
the fact that he is very good at what he does.
The reason I posted that annoying bit about Malmsteen was because:
Music is everything, man. I know I'm just a "drummer"(never mind the
fact that I also play keyboards and have been playing out in bars and
clubs for the past six years or so).
I think that you should be glad that someone is praising Malmsteen
rather than praising Snoop Doggy Dogg.
Taht's why i posted that message- because music is there for people to
enjoy it, and for the lucky few that get to express it. So why give
someone shit just because they happen to like an accomplished guitarist
other than John Petrucci?
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 20:41:43 +1100
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Petrucci and Malmsteen
Message-ID: <34F92D57.D1255D4A@sydney.net>
Matej Grginic wrote:
> In the last Guitar magazine Petrucci listed 10 of the most important
> albums in his collection. One of them is (GUESS!!!!!!) "Rising Force" by
> (do I really have to tell you???) Yngwie Malmsteen!!!!!!!
> and for those that haven`t read the article yet, I`ll retype it for your
> viewing pleasure.
>
> John Petrucci: Rising Force by Yngwie Malmsteen
The pleasure is all yours.
Despite what you may think I doubt if any jammers on here are illiterate
or need
to see things twice before they get through our thick skulls.
Just because JP says it's good doesn't mean that it is, does it ?
For instance if he said that Spice Girls were in his top ten bands
should
we all rush out and buy it and like just because JP does ?
If you take your logic then, if JP told us all to go take a long run off
a short bridge/peir/jetty, we all would ?
graham
N.B. This posts contains sarcasm, look it up in a dictionary before you
reply !
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 06:01:45 EST
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Shrapnel Faves
Message-ID: <30a6b98e.34f9401b@aol.com>
In no particular order (except Becker is #1)
Jason Becker - Perpetual Burn
Marty Friedman - Don't let the "I'm Stoned" instructional video fool ya.
Tony MacAlpine - Start with Maximum Security
Cacophony - I agree, the singer did more harm than good
Racer X - Don't care for the songs, except YRO (Yngwie Rip Off) and Scarified,
but these two justify the purchase. Scarified is better.
Craig Goldy - Insufficient Therapy, haven't found too many people who agree
with me on this one, but this is my list not "too many people"'s.
Haji's Kitchen - Very good songs, very good solos, very good.
James Murphy - ah, I like it. a lot.
I'll stop there. There are others I like, but not as much as the above.
Looking at the other lists posted, these pretty much mirror others, except the
Craig Goldy. Others hate it, I love it. You should hear Craig's unreleased
stuff. Pure genius. Don't expect Dio songs.
I posted earlier that I have never cared for the drums on Satriani albums.
BUT that has been the only fault I could find with Satch. Now that I hear
Manu is on the new album, I can't wait to get it. See, Satch read my posts and
listened to me. Before you send your emails, ah never mind. If you are that
gullible (where's my Encyclopedia Webstanica), send away.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:14:02 -0800
From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: So off topic
Message-ID: <v04003a00b11e82ba59e6@[169.229.75.60]>
Yes Herbal Essences rock Korg. All the chicks in my dorm use it and it
drives me up the walls... Hmm maybe I should get some for my girlfriend...
-Shane
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:58:38 -0500
From: Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:Validity of drummers
Message-ID: <34E0F7BE.728D@ix.netcom.com>
> Just by
> figuring out the drums my eyes were opened. Then comparing it in the context
> of songs helped me progressive even further. I quickly noticed that my
> understanding of writing a song as opposed to a guitar song was finally
> realized.
<snip>
> Trust me. I have a whole new respect for guys like Mike
> Portnoy. I just want to bow down when I see him.
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:56:04 EST
One word Calvin -- AMEN ! ;)
Zildjian
NP: Genisis "A Trick of the Tail"
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:07:35 -0500
From: Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Gullible
Message-ID: <34E0F9D7.2C25@ix.netcom.com>
> OK, if any of the jammers out there even go to your dictionaries and look
> up the word gullible, you may be surprised to see a mirror next to the
> word.
> Damon Fibraio, damon74@injersey.com
AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE THIS PLACE !!!
> "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and
> endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, Spirit of
> Radio, 1980 <-- Boy did Rush strike the nail on the head here or WHAT !?!? This must be the most popular quote/sig....yet, true as it getss huh?
Zildjian
NP: Genesis "A Trick of the Tail" still.....and they're slamming !!!!
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:45:50 -0500
From: Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:Yngwie and a harpoon, tonight on America's Stupidest Groin Videos
Message-ID: <34E102CE.7076@ix.netcom.com>
Pat Griffin wrote:
> Pat Griffin
> > Yngwie is arrogant but, hell he can play. He is giunus.
> ^^^^^^
> Boy, isn't *that* a ringing endorsement. :)
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAH EXCELLENT !! HAAAAHAHA
> Hey, guys? I heard a rumor that we are going to get sued by the Yngwie
> mailing list for copyright infringement. Can we please stop this
> conversation, I think 3 weeks is long enough. Why don't the six of you
> who are still arguing about it just email each other and choose a mutually
> agreeable location to meet and bludgeon each other with large heavy
> objects. Hey, since we already have Chris Calabrese's address...
> ROFLM(FUCKING)AO
You're killing me !!!! Keep it up ! :)
Zildjian
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 14:29:14 +0100
From: Yakov Kouznetsov <provibe@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: graham
Message-ID: <33182F2A.4B1C@club-internet.fr>
graham boyle wrote:
Maaaaaaaaaate for fuck sake it's Dream TheaER :)
Listen, man. If you don't have any ideas to share with people
you would certainly waste your's and everybody else's time looking for
writing mistakes. Everyone can make a mistake. Think next time when
putting shit like that 3 TIMES on the list. Take care.
Jacob. provibe@club-internet.fr
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:00:32 -0600
From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: QR News Soon
Message-ID: <01bd451a$66712800$282227d1@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
According to the official Queensryche page's news section,
updated yesterday, QR has a list of song titles of their next album that
will be posted on the page when the band gives the webmaster permission to
do so. Also, the "mystery guitarist" replacing Chris DeGarmo has been chosen
and working with the band for some time now. The announcement will be made
as soon as the band has all of the "final details" worked out. Keep checking
www.queensryche.com for the updates!
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:19:28 +0100
From: Richard & Karin <karies@wxs.nl>
To: DT mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fender Stratocaster question
Message-ID: <34F95250.114A@wxs.nl>
Hi there...
Just a questions...on a Fender strat with five-way switch, what do the
actual positions determine? And which pickups are influenced by the tone
knobs?
Cheers...
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:07:02 +0100 From: "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: HELP ME ! Message-ID: <01bd4512$ed4fcdc0$ca56f3c2@mau.omnia.it>
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Hello YtseJammers ! I subscribed the list just two days ago (Hey, don't confuse me with that = stupid Tom Cox... I just don't judge anything before I know it well = enough...). Well... I'm quite disorientated... In just two days I received 11 = digests... HOW CAN I READ ALL OF THEM ?!?!? :) And they keep on arriving ! = AAAARRRGHHH ! Maybe I'm just a little confused because it's the first time I subscribe = a mailing list... I find there are a lot of very intresting things said = in here... But... I won't ever succeed in reading them all ! Can anyone here tell me some tips to help me find my way clear ? I hope you won't consider me an idiot for what I'm saying... :) Thank you in advance ! [MAV] P.S : Am I the only synth player in da list ?!?! I see lots of guitar = players, but no one writes about keyboards... :( [DREAM THEATER RULES !]
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:49:15 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The 40th Annual Ytsies !!! Message-ID: <01BD4529.9C26B500@ns.globalxs.nl>
T H E 4 0 t h A N N U A L Y T S I E S
with your host, Eckie Grammer !
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm
(oh, and the new Most Frequent Poster lists are up) _____
Pat Griffin wrote :
> Anyone want to handle the Big Gay Al's Big Gay Porn Catalog and > "Your penis enlargment kit has arrived!" package?
Don't knock the penis enlargment kit, dude. It's what helped me get that giant erection for the Falling Into Infinity booklet !
:-)
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:52:24 -0600 From: "Matt Evans" <bmajik@abeln621a.unl.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Becker..TTT Message-ID: <980301095225.ZM25349@goliath.unl.edu>
Yeah, Jason Becker without a doubt is the greatest guitarist of all time. Technically I dont know of anyone that can match him, and musically he's damn near unmatchable as well. His second album brings this to the forefront much more than his first, it was too esay to just be blown away by his playing skills to really spend alot of time thinking about what he wrote.
Then again there must be a few million notes on Perpetual Burn, and i can not listen to the CD for a few years at a time and when i put it back on, I still remember all of em. I think it means something if you can remember a song that well.
If only I could play em some day :)
So i've had this love/hate relationship with the kick ass JP solo in TTT for a while now. I spent all of spring break my senior year of highschool picking it out (i was house sitting for my girlfriends parents) and i thought i had it down. Then i got the tab book for I&W and saw that he was playing it slightly differently, but i was 90% correct. Anyhow. Im playing this thing, and just when you're done with the first part, there's a minute little pause, and then he pulls off the same incredible sounding lick again with a little twist on the ending. GRrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Im kicking myself repeatedly for never building up my pinky finger. Given that I can *almost* pull off the solo without using it at all, I wonder what I could do if i knew what the hell to do with that 4th digit on my left hand.
Aww well :)
-- *********************************************************** * Matt Evans * * University of Nebraska, Lincoln work: bmajik@ntr.net * * Computer Engineering Major school: mevans@cse.unl.edu * ***********************************************************
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:25:14 EST From: WarrenDW <WarrenDW@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YNGWIE, Deep Purple, MARK METZGER, Christmas CD, assholes Message-ID: <dab2c559.34f99a02@aol.com>
OK, OK, I have really had enough of this YNGWIE bashing etc.etc.etc.
I will go on record as saying that I STILL don't know how to pronounce his first name so if anyone of you assholes know how and is willing to share that information with me please do so.I first heard him on the Alcatrazz album and thought he was excellent. But now he is wealthy and arrogant so I now hate his guts....which brings me back to his name...How damn arrogant he must be to have such a unpronouncable first name.
BTW Deep Purple's web page has tour information about DT...no venues yet but if I remember correctly the US tour is Sept-Oct 98. Now I can only hope they will come to Portland Oregon so I can see them. Imagine Steve Morse and JP backstage arguing about how to pronounce "YNGWIE".
Also much THANKS to MIKE PORTNOY. The fan club Christmas CD is GREAT. The beginning has a "parody" of the beginning of Pink Floyd's "Money".....you know the cash register effects at the start of the song....you can tell the guys had fun recording FII.
There are some assholes out there that don't like the CD that much and wish there was some concert material on it....( I won't mention names cause that would probably get MARK METZGER in trouble).
You can tell Mike went through a lot of time and trouble to get the material for the CD and I now challenge MARK METZGER to go up to Mike Portnoy after the next concert he attends and tear Mike a new asshole for not putting more "cool" stuff on the CD.
That's it for now. Did I mention that I think YNGWIE is an asshole?
Peace from Oregon Warren P.S. The name MARK METZGER is a made up ficticious name and has no relationship at all to the MARK METZGER that posts on this jam from time to time. If you know how to pronounce what's his name's first name please don't e-mail me privately...just waste some jam bandwidth and let EVERYONE know how to say it correctly.
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:28:54 EST From: WarrenDW <WarrenDW@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Deep Purple and Dream Theater tour dates..CORRECTION Message-ID: <88dc3418.34f99ad8@aol.com>
DT and DP tour dates are August 1 to September 15th. I erred in my previous post. Warren in Oregon
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:34:39 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ngeewe Message-ID: <199803011732.JAA10938@odin.ax.com>
> Anyone on this list Buckethead fans? If so he plays on three tracks on a > CD by Arcana it is another Bill Laswell Project....along the lines of > Praxis (if you haven't heard this check it out on Transmutation > Mutatis...something after that can't remember now.....you've got Buckethead > playing with Bootsy Collins.......daaaeee Groooveeee.) but anyways Arcana > is kinda experimental Jazz...and pretty darn good too.
He has more than 10 albums out... various discs released in various countries. There are two called Bucketheadland, I believe, and two called Giant Robot, and one on a different label where he uses the BAND name Giant Robot (and the album is self titled), 2 Death Cube K (anagram for Buckethead) albums, 3 Praxis studio albums, one Praxis live album, one cd with Jonas Hellborg... 3 or 4 with Bootsy or with Laswell in different projects... numerous soundtrack appearances... he's available at just about any record shop.
> Has anyone checked out Black Light Syndrome.....I knew that Bozzio was > Great..and I knew that Levin was Great.....and I Knew that Stevens was good > but I didn't realize he was that good
Steve Steven's is completely awesome. He shreds some just plain unbelieveable chops on that one cheesy Vince Neil album.
> Buckethead. > faster than any human. :)
His picking is derived from his lessons with Paul Gilbert. He's around Gilbert's speed, and he uses a lot of delay and effects to make it sound funky. He's also got some awesome tapping licks. I've been a fan of his since I saw his first Guitar Player column. I wouldn't call him the fastest... there's always someone coming out who is faster than everyone else. I'd say it's between Lane, Impelliteri, Bellas, Stump, and Batio right now... and the battle rages on. Speed alone is a shallow goal, though.
> From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> > Subject: Petrucci and Malmsteen > > Last couple digests were getting kinda pathetic so I just HAD to > post this. I`m wondering how long will it take before people will > realise that u CAN NOT judge guitarists and tell this one is better, > this one sucks, this one is the best...
Well, I agree with your sentiment, but consider the fact that we're mostly talking about terms of technique. Those who say that Yngwie can play circles around Clapton are referring to the fact that he's faster. Those who say that Petrucci couldn't play an Yngwie solo, are talking about complexity of technique. And as you must well be aware, technique is something that you CAN judge in terms of good/better/best. It's just extremely important to not make technique the ONLY thing you judge guitar playing by.
> I`m not gonna waste words on Petrucci..he is the god of all guitar > gods, but u still can`t say he`s the best guitarist that ever lived. > I can`t imagine a thing that Petrucci plays and Vai couldn`t...and > the other way around.
Actually, if you want to get nit picky, I don't think Vai could pull off the Erotomania solo without a good deal of practice (you'll notice if you listen to Vai that he rarely meanders about 3 note per string, string skipping licks) and I doubt Petrucci could nail :Fire Garden Suite" without at least as much practice. This just fits with your point though, that every musician is different, and you can't judge which is BETTER. Vai has techniques that Petrucci can't touch, and Petrucci has at least twice the precision that Vai has... but that's because they focus on completely different facets in their music.
> This is for all of the buttmunches that spat on Malmsteen last > couple of days, but are true and dedicated fans of Petrucci. I`ll > show you what the man himself said about Malmsteen.
Well, it's pretty common knowledge that Petrucci was hugely influenced by Malmsteen. The old solo in ACoS was like a friggin' tribute to Yngwie (which is probably why they deleted it... not wanting to beat a dead horse with all of the Yngwie style solos everyone else has done). And no one is justified in saying that Yngwie isn't a good guitarist... but there is indeed a problem with calling him a great songwriter, when he repeats the same songs over and over again. He needs to branch out and touch on some Jazz or some Fusion... maybe learn some fingerpicking acoustic stuff... (these are just wild and random suggestions... ) or do something like that, so he can try out some different styles and learn some new methods and theories. IMO, the best things Yngwie has done are his first 2 albums, and the beautiful rendition of Leviathan on the Guitar World cd... loaded with feeling on that version... the one on the Fire and Ice album pales in comparison.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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