YTSEJAM Digest 3590
Today's Topics:
1) Yngwie's name
by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
2) hear ye hear ye!
by DragynLMC3 <DragynLMC3@aol.com>
3) FREE-Music Street Journal 2
by Yes0001 <Yes0001@aol.com>
4) Re: hear ye hear ye!
by eckie@asu.edu
5) Re: hear ye hear ye!
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
6) fender strat
by Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
7) Re: HELP ME!
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
8) Yngwe
by Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
9) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Yngwie=2C_Bj=F6rk_and_Satch?=
by "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
10) Savatage releases
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
11) liner notes
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
12) Drummers and Guitars
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
13) Re: Petrucci and Malmsteen
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
14) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?JP_clinic_and_DT_show_in_Malm=F6?=
by "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
15) playing F-A-S-T!!!
by O-P Komonen <op777@mail.surffi.net>
16) Re: Becker...TTT
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
17) Herbalessencejam
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:09:25 -0600
From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yngwie's name
Message-ID: <34F9A455.28F45943@ix.netcom.com>
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> If you know how to pronounce what's his name's first name please don't
> e-mail me privately...just waste some jam bandwidth and let EVERYONE know how
> to say it correctly.
>
I believe it is pronounce Ing Vay
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:34:50 EST
From: DragynLMC3 <DragynLMC3@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: hear ye hear ye!
Message-ID: <24ab1c37.34f9aa4c@aol.com>
Hello all jammers! I was thinking (oh ow, that hurt) and I was just wondering
that if there was no DT (prog gods forbid) what would you have in your 10 cd
cd player? (i do not have one, but this is after all just pretend... no more
then 10 we dont want to scare people now with all ur cds)
Anyway, i was just wondering what the lot of ye scurvy bastards would sooth
thyself with... :} this isnt against the rules is it? hope not
~Lisa
DragynLMC3@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:36:37 EST
From: Yes0001 <Yes0001@aol.com>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FREE-Music Street Journal 2
Message-ID: <d6a79b14.34f9aab7@aol.com>
Hi there
Issue number two of the Music Street Journal is available now. The Music
Street Journal is a free Email newsletter focusing on reviews of (primarily)
progressive rock. This months reviews include Liquid Tension Experiment
(featuring Tony Levin, Jordan Rudess, John Petrucci and Mike Portnoy), Cairo,
Tempest, Royal Hunt, Dream Theater, Pentwater, Faith No More, Smashmouth and
Captain Beyond. The newsletter is available as an Email attachment in the
following formats:doc for word 5.0, doc for word 5.0 in winzip format, doc for
word 5.0 in sit format for mac and html in winzip format. A word of warning
here, the html file is a short download, the rest are quite long as this is a
large document, and it contains color photographs. I would also consider
sending it as a hard copy by snail mail, but I would have to charge for it in
that format because I am doing this out of love for the music, but I do not
want it to COST me money. If you would like a copy, Email me at
Yes0001@aol.com and specify the format that you would like..
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:55:41 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: hear ye hear ye!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980301115219.11867A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, on a bright and sunny day with a lunch box
filled with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, Oreo cookies, and
Dream Theater napkins, DragynLMC3 posed the hypothetical question:
> Hello all jammers! I was thinking (oh ow, that hurt) and I was just wondering
> that if there was no DT (prog gods forbid) what would you have in your 10 cd
> cd player? (i do not have one, but this is after all just pretend... no more
> then 10 we dont want to scare people now with all ur cds)
Savatage. An' lots of it.
Oh, 'n then I can't live w/o my daily allowance of Vai, Satch, and
'Deth...and Tourniquet and...
ahh fooey! I LOVE THE BEAUTIFUL MUSIC!!!
~It's an ECKIEEEEE BALLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:59:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: hear ye hear ye!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980301125331.12823A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
DragynLMC3@aol.com said:
> Hello all jammers! I was thinking (oh ow, that hurt) and I was just wondering
> that if there was no DT (prog gods forbid) what would you have in your 10 cd
> cd player?
>
> this isnt against the rules is it? hope not
Actually, it is. Top ten lists (or any other number, for that matter) are
forbidden.
Unless Bafu or Eckie write them, in which case their humor value outweighs
the annoyingness of top ten lists. :)
--Jay "breaking out the can of Kibosh for the top ten thing..." Omega
--NP: Arena - Songs from the Lion's Cage
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:13:09 -0500
From: Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: fender strat
Message-ID: <34F9B344.167671B1@pop3.utoledo.edu>
the five different positions on the strat do as follows....
position 1(all the way forward, towards the headstock): neck pickup only
p2: neck and middle pickup
p3: middle only
p4: middle and bridge
p5: bridge only
those are how stock, non-modified strat switches work. the tone knobs
(don't quote me on this, but i am pretty sure) affect the neck and
middle pickups. they can be redone to affect whatever pickups you want,
though....
chris
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:20:54 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
To: The YtseJam mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: HELP ME!
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.980301191931.25527B-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
2 things:
1 - I find it helpful to simply check out the subject lines, skim
the posts, and if it doesn't look interesting, don't read it.
2 - Looking for keys players of on the 'jam? You found one.
Time to go practice my uroboros impression... :)
Carpe Diem,
-- Bert Baldwin
rcb@vectorbd.com
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:17:43 -0500
From: Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yngwe
Message-ID: <34F9B457.D61BE8F6@pop3.utoledo.edu>
I am pretty sure "Yngwe" is pronounced "Ing-vay". If i am wrong, does
anyone else have any clue?
chris
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:40:49 +0100
From: "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Yngwie=2C_Bj=F6rk_and_Satch?=
Message-ID: <9803011938.AA03649@nomina.lu.se>
I have a suggestion if Yngwie is good or bad, some one who knows how to do
it could set up a page where you choose good or bad. When everybody has
voted we'll know if he is respectable or not since the majority always has
right. :))
What I can say about JP vs. Yngwie is that if JP had the chops of Kurt
Cobain he could still play circles around Yngwie.
I would also like to promote a great french guitarist, Patrick Rondat. He
sounds the way Yngwie wants to sound. I only have one of his albums,
Amphibia. It has all those incredible shredsolos that Yngwie is so famous
for, but it also has some wonderful songwriting. It's all instrumental, for
those who are interested the fanclub website, from which you can order
records from and hear samples at, is at
http://www.gatewaytorondat.force9.co.uk/index.html, check it out.
>"Clapton is God." - garffitti in London in the 60s.
Here, in Lund Sweden, that qoute was removed a few months ago... :(
>I was wondering if there are any other Bjork fans on this list....I know
it
>might be a stretch but some of her melodies are just awe inspiring.
I am a fan, but I haven't got any of her albums, "It's oh so quiet" is
great. And What I've heard from the new album sounds really cool
>I am probably going to get "flamed" for this, but Joe Satriani has the
worst
>drums (usually a drum machine) I have ever heard. My friend asked me to
make
>a jam along tape to Crushing Day. I was never able to listen to Satriani
the
>same way again. Yeah, his guitar playing is phenomenal, but he should
"sub
>out" when it comes to drums.
Manu Katche who played on his selftitled 1995 release, is one of my top 10
favorite
drummers. He's so great, go listen to S.M.F. and then tell me that Satch's
drums are
bad.
Simon Mitternacht
crimson@dreamt.org
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1233/
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 15:33:59 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage releases
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980301153359.0095b840@maila.wm.edu>
I know this is a bit delayed, but:
Ages ago Arash wrote (whoa, almost alliteration):
>Hi
>Savatage will release a live CD and a live Video later this year.
>Arash
Are either of these going to be released in the U.S.? Please, I MUST know!!
Thanks
Alex
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 15:50:01 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: liner notes
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980301155001.0095b470@maila.wm.edu>
On Sat, 21 Feb 1998 Nathan wrote:
> Agreed. Hey, I was able to pick up a copy of Savatage's 'Dead
>Winter Dead' yesterday. Exellent album. In the liner notes, there's thanks
>to a certain "Derek Sherimean". Now is that a typo, or merely coincidence?
>I know that both Sherinean and Al Pitrelli played for Alic Cooper during
>the '80s, although I don't know if they were in the band at the same time.
>I suppose that would be the connection.
Good choice!! That is definitely a kick-ass piece of work. Now I just
have to go and look at my well-worn liner notes again...haven't seen that
tidbit....
Alex
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:52:41 -0500 (EST)
From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drummers and Guitars
Message-ID: <199803012052.PAA13791@camel7.mindspring.com>
Ummmmm who taught that drummer how to speak? ;) Just joking. My best friend
is a drummer and he's a very smart guy, contrary to popular belief.
However:
The power section of an amp is not what gives it characteristics. Both Mesas
and Marshalls use 6L6s (Marshall calls them 5881s), yet do they sound
similar? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Same with 5150s. Ampeg tube bass amps also use
6L6s, but you go and try to plug a guitar in there, and see what you get.
That's just an extreme example, but it shows that it is the whole package
that makes the difference, not just one particular detail.
Plus, about Yngwie... you should think a bit before you go off on this list
like that. People have the right to have an oppinion on other artists/bands.
This is a Dream Theater list, not an Yngwie list, so there are some people
here that don't like Yngwie, and you'll have to learn to deal with that.
Later.
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 22:05:13 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Petrucci and Malmsteen
Message-ID: <33189A09.E5D991A0@stones.com>
> Despite what you may think I doubt if any jammers on here are illiterate
> or need
> to see things twice before they get through our thick skulls.
Scuse me?? And what`s that suppose to mean?
I have alot of respect for the jammers, most of them anyway.
> Just because JP says it's good doesn't mean that it is, does it ?
> For instance if he said that Spice Girls were in his top ten bands
> should
> we all rush out and buy it and like just because JP does ?
> If you take your logic then, if JP told us all to go take a long run off
> a short bridge/peir/jetty, we all would ?
U missed my point completely, or maybe I wasn`t clear enough
expressing it. Ofcourse I didn`t mean that u should like and
respect or praise whatever JP chooses, thank god we`r smarter than
that (hopefully). My point was that YM was a big influence on JP`s
playing.
>
> graham
>
> N.B. This posts contains sarcasm, look it up in a dictionary before you
> reply !
I heard this stupid remark before, but hey, hotshots like you just love
to use old used up phrases such as this one with the dictionary..doh!
Sincerely,
Matej
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:18:05 +0100
From: "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?JP_clinic_and_DT_show_in_Malm=F6?=
Message-ID: <9803012115.AA07883@nomina.lu.se>
Hi there
I am going to review both the John Petrucci clinic on the 27th and the
concert on the 28th, both in Malmv. Mike Portnoy also did a clinic in a
nearby town, but as they were at the same time and I'm a guitarplayer I
chose to go see John.
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The Clinic
The clinic was at Musikbvrsen (a music store) in Malmv and began at 7 pm, I
was there at around 6:15 and stood outside the shop freezing and listening
to John warming up. At around 6:50 they opened the doors, I got a seat in
the second row, the people who worked in the shop had occupied the front
row... John came in at around 7:10 and began playing a warmup solo. The
solo ended with "Flight Of The Bumble Bee" by Tchaikovsky. He said that
Steve Morse had made an album called "Guitar Battle" (or something like
that) where rock guitarsists played classical pieces and that he (John)
played bumble bee there. I don't know if it's already released.
Then he put on a cd with the chord progression from Prince's (or whatever
he's called) "Purple Rain". He jammed along to that for about 5 minutes and
then played along to a couple of the Liquid Tension Experiment songs, Kevin
Shirley had made versions without guitars for him. The cool thing was that
he said that since the whole thing was recorded and written in one week he
had forgotten most of the songs and had relearned them earilier in the day.
Of course I have never heard any of those songs before but I didn't hear on
single miss, and a lot of those passages were pretty tricky. :)
He ended the clinic by playing the two video game songs he had written for
Sega. In my opinion those were the coolest songs that night, but maybe
that's because they were made to be pretty easy listening and I would
probably like the LTE songs better if I got the chance to listen to them a
few times.
He stayed a while after the clinic and I got my guitar and my xmas cd
signed. He was really cool and not at all arrogant, but that we already
knew... I, shy as I am, couldn't make up anything to say other than "Will
you sign here", "Thank you very much" and later "This was great". Felt
kinda stupid meeting my biggest hero and not being able to speak.
----The concert
The show started at 7:30 pm, Vanden Plas supported as usual. I missed the first 10 minutes of Vanden Plas since I had to do a gig with a pyschedelic band I'm in. There wasn't too much people there so I could get up to the third row. When Vanden Plas were finished one of the guys in front of me left so I got in the second row on the right side close to John Petrucci. The only thing that I didn't like with this concert was that there were three ramps that went out from the stage to the audience, if you watched it from above it looked like an E. Derek and Mike were pretty far away. John, John and James all came out on the different ramps so I got some contact with each of them at least once during the concert. When I saw them in Copenhagen in december last year there was a normal stage and in that way that show was better.
They began with Mirror/Take The Time, in the same manner as on the IAW video. I was expecting Lines In The Sand, so I was a bit surprised. I can't remember the whole setlist but the two songs that were best were Lie and Trial Of Tears. Lie was incredible live. Anne Lee was quite fun, the song started with a piano solo, during the solo the crew mounted a small drum set on the middle ramp and a vocal mic. Mike was supposed to sing through that mic, but there was something wrong with the stand so several times during the song he played with one arm and tried to adjust it. In the end he kicked it to the side and concentrated on drumming instead, before they went on with Hollow Years he got it adjusted correctly. On those two songs John Petrucci played a nylon stringed solid body guitar with a piezo pickup, it sounded pretty cool. John also played an unaccompanied solo that was about the same as the warmup-solo he played at the clinic
During the drum solo Mike took a drum with a wireless mic on it and went up front on the middle ramp and handed out drum sticks to some people in the audience, there were no drummers in that area though, so there were no surprises.
The encore was a medly of Metropolis, Learning To Live, The Crimson Sunset and A Fortune In Lies.
A friend of mine taped the show, so there'll be an exact setlist later.
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I hope I haven't bored you too much, I guess this review sounds like every other concert review.
Simon Mitternacht
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1233/
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 23:13:13 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@mail.surffi.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: playing F-A-S-T!!! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980301231313.006db7f8@mail.surffi.net>
With all this discussion of who is the fastest, I bring you some posts from my own ytse-archives.......
op777
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sextuplets at 200BPM? Are you talking 16th note triplets? I'd have >to hear that before I'd believe it (not to insinuate that you're lying... >just that I've never heard anything that fast in all my listening years). There's this norweigan guy (Markus Paus) who got in the "Guiness Book of Records". He pulls off 460 and some notes per SECOND. He uses both hands and all fingers to HO/PO notes ... (I have heard him play, but 460 nps ??? In my fastest moments i can do 25 nps at most (strictly speed picking, no h/p)
Anyhow, at 200 BPM this Markus dude can play 1/128th notes !
Disclaimer: This info is based on information from my national broadcasting company, if it contains errors, I am not to be flamed. :) I have not done any extended checking on this matter, that I leave to you.
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:40:32 +0200 ]From: "Iumentum" <alnygaar@online.no> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Markus Paus Message-ID: <199707151641.SAA03189@online.no>
Markus Paus can actually play that fast... I have seen him perform several times. His techique is only good for playing fast. When the slow parts comes he sounds like an aircrash. The fastparts are so fast that you can`t hear the tones... =CC think it sucks big time! This guy actually quit school and practiced 12 hours a day to reach this speed. Poor guy... I really hope he will learn to play with soul someday... Mayby i should buy him "Learn to play guitar in one day". He should draw some benefits from that book...
Alexander=20
Yet another DT fan <<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------------------------------------- Olli-Pekka Komonen snail:Kutojantie 2, 13720 Parola, Finland e-mail: opk@hlti.fi phn:+358-3-6715036 cell:+358-400-498 266 ------------------------------------------------------------- "YOUTAKEMYLIFEANDI'LLTAKEYOURSTOO!!!" -Kevin Moore "Very positive message" -James LaBrie -------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 22:09:23 +0100 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Becker...TTT Message-ID: <33189B03.81B5032E@stones.com>
>>>Yeah, Jason Becker without a doubt is the greatest guitarist of all time.>>
Oh comon!! U really can`t say who`s the greatest guitarist of all time. Becker definately is one of the great guitar gods, but he`s not the best just because you dig him alot!
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:22:05 -0500 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Herbalessencejam Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980301162205.0072db94@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>Yes Herbal Essences rock Korg. All the chicks in my dorm use it and it >drives me up the walls... Hmm maybe I should get some for my girlfriend...
My sister had a bunch of those fancy girly shampoos in the bathroom back home, so I decided to try a little experiment out...purely for scientific purposes, of course.
Purpose: To determine whether Herbal Essence shampoos and conditioners make a guy smell like a girl.
Hypothesis: Herbal Essence shampoos and conditioners will make a guy smell like a girl. Gender is not an issue in the good-smellingness of the products.
Procedure: 1. Took a shower using HE hair care products. 2. Smelled hair, recorded data. 3. Rinsed and repeated. 4. Re-smelled, recorded data.
Data: Trial: 1 Smell: Boy Trial: 2 Smell: Boy
Conclusion: The good-smelling effects Herbal Essence shampoos only work on fems, causing the rejection of the hypothesis. It can be theorized that there is something in the overall gender chemical make-up that causes this difference. Further experiments need be conducted.
There ya have it, folks! Scientific *proof*.
Brian "Guinea Pig" Henderson
=========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ ===========================
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