YTSEJAM Digest 3598
Today's Topics:
1) Atlanta Jammers and Rockline
by Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
2) Re: 8 finger tapping and technique@ax.com
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
3) Re: Where to find LTE?
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
4) Thshread
by Banister <rbaniste@emerald.tufts.edu>
5) BOOTLEG FOR SALE (and no it isn't Lords of Sound)
by WhoFooldU <WhoFooldU@aol.com>
6) 12 Toe Tapping
by someone@prognosis.com
7) Re: BOOTLEG FOR SALE (and no it isn't Lords of Sound)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
8) Impact, was "12 Toe Tapping"
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
9) Re: More news around the hour
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) Re: Where to find LTE?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) Billy Sheehan
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
12) dunlop jazz 3's
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
13) Re: 12 Toe Tapping
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Re: BOOTLEG FOR SALE (and no it isn't Lords of Sound)
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:16:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Atlanta Jammers and Rockline
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.980302181522.-399057C-100000@edesobe.resnet.emory.edu>
Having only been in Atlanta for seven months and ignoring the radio
stations, I was wondering if someone could tell me what station Rockline
would be on if a station carried it. Satriani is supposed to be on
tonight. Let me know, take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:25:18 EST
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: 8 finger tapping and technique@ax.com
Message-ID: <6ed89b04.34fb3fe0@aol.com>
Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> asked about who to listen to for 8 finger
tapping. I don't know if you are truly a beginner, but the first exercise I
started (and still play today) is below. It uses every finger, but isn't
super difficult. The hardest part is controlling open strings from ringing.
Although it sounds like an exercise, if you play it really fast, it still
sounds like an exercise. Here it is on the starting high pitched E string:
(4) 4 (3) 3 (2) 2 (1) 1
|---15--8--13--6--14--7--12--5--| continue pattern up and down set up strings
(as in go to the B string, then the G string, etc. etc.)
the (#)'s mean right hand (if you play right handed). This is a really good
starter exercise because of the mirror imaging with the hands. And just like
the 1-2-3-4 picking exercises, it can mutate into just about anything you are
working on.
God, the technique talk is great, but perhaps somebody should start up
technique@ax.com (or is there already such a place) so we can keep it
separated from the people who don't enjoy this stuff. We could go on
endlessly and aimlessly on which player is the most exciting, but straight
technique should be pretty tension free.
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:30:32 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Where to find LTE?
Message-ID: <199803022330.SAA20696@tx.cs.wm.edu>
> Does anyone know where we are gonna be able to get Liquid Tension
> when it comes out? Mall stores (doubt it)? Super stores (Best Buy/Tower)?
> Mail order?
Unless I'm wrong in my assumption that this is a Magna Carta release, you can
get it anywhere you can get other MC stuff.
-d
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:43:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Banister <rbaniste@emerald.tufts.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Thshread
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980302182106.12114A-100000@emerald.tufts.edu>
> My impression has always been (in an abstract sense): There is a minimum
> time period in music during which emotion can be imparted to a note. I
> don't know exactly what the duration is, but if you put more than one note
> into that duration, then you are essentially "splitting" the emotional
> impact over the multiple notes, and dulling their impact. Watch guitarists
I've gotta disagree here. . . emotion is a tool which you can use to shape
your performance, to imbue it with power. But the 'emotion' here is
actually a huge range of feelings... you can use your anger in a raging
passage (my favorite), your depression in a slow passage, your
indifference in a blase passage, etc... you can't really generalize
emotion to label someone when he's 'feeling' it or not... I've
experienced (once) a sort of guitar orgasm, where I was playing so
incredibly, so far beyond my ability, that It was like a climax (with no
messy clean up afterwards). And I acheieved it through a cmbination of
shred, tapping, chords, legato, slow vibrato, all other kinds of
techniques. It was simply the most intense feeling I think I've ever felt
(well, love aside I guess), and it's what I strive for every time I play,
although I've never quite gotten there again...
A big key in it is the physical side of playing... we tend to
ignore sometimes the feelings in our hands when we abuse the fingerboard.
But the point is, when we play, we exert ourselves physically, and that
physiucality is a conduit for our emotion. It's like sprinting. There
comes a point when you think you can't take it any further, and then you
do, and it's incredible. If I've been playing an intense passage, and my
hands are burning from the effort, and I think that it's going to kill me
if I don't stop, but I keep it going, and burn a solo into the ground,
that is an intense emotional feeling. When you strive for something you
think is beyond your reach, then attain it. . . well, I think I've lost
the thread (and most readers). . .
Oh yeah. . I'm back. Kinda... I'm having the hardest time dealing with 90
jams in my inbox. . but I'm back trying to read em... And how fitting for
me to come back and respond to something that has absolutely nothing to do
with DT. . oh well. ..
Hey Neal B. I'm alive! You still arround?
figuratively,
Rich
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:54:01 EST
From: WhoFooldU <WhoFooldU@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BOOTLEG FOR SALE (and no it isn't Lords of Sound)
Message-ID: <9ad379f1.34fb469b@aol.com>
Lost in the Sky (2cd deluxe digipak)
shopping has been good recently. $50 min bid for this excellent soundboard of
Dream Theater from Milan 1993.
Taking bids through March 9.
Glenn
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:04:50 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 12 Toe Tapping
Message-ID: <199803030002.QAA27416@odin.ax.com>
> From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
> My impression has always been (in an abstract sense): There is a minimum
> time period in music during which emotion can be imparted to a note. I
> don't know exactly what the duration is, but if you put more than one note
> into that duration, then you are essentially "splitting" the emotional
> impact over the multiple notes, and dulling their impact.
I used to believe this philosophy as well, but then I searched for,
and believe I have found, a paradigm counterexample. Listen to
"For The Love of God" by Steve Vai (I chose this because most of you
have or have access to Passion and Warfare). The song is obviously
filled with soul and emotion, as well as technical control. As you
listen, watch the timer on your cd player, and note the time that you
think the song is climaxing emotionally. While this song just drips
emotion like a Philly Cheesesteak drips phunk, the climax occurs, if
you ask me, during a fast run. (3:50 - 4:17 with an aftershock
around 4:30)
If splitting the notes into subdivisions impacts upon the
emotional value, then how can the most emotioonal part of this song (and
many others) occur during a shred passage? The answer is simple. The
emotion is not from any particular technique or tempo. It's from the
phrase that's being played.
The tendency is, more often than not, for people who can't play at a
particular level to knock the guy who can, in any way they can. Eckie
didn't really do this (though I disagree with his statement about M.
Romeo) but a lot of people do. MICHAEL.ANGELO's response is: "I've
never heard anybody who can play fast say 'Dude! Speed Sucks!!!'"
which is amusing, if you consider that he's one of the guys just now
recovering his soul after long years of "Shred for Shred's Sake"
abuse.
What makes something emotional, or soulful in guitar passages is
how well the guitar is being used as a communicative medium. Usually,
the song will dictate what should be played, whether that's fast or
slow. Whether or not the playing is appreciated for its soul and
emotion is another issue, though.
The emotional appeal in music is at the very core of its
inherent subjectivity. As such, one can study what about a
particular passage makes it sound emotional to oneself, but can never
judge for the next guy. There just happen to be coincidental
agreements between players and fans, about particular players, like
Vai, Satch, Johnson, Becker, etc...
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> From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
> During Billy Sheehan's clinic, he mentioned that he just finished a
> recording with Terry Bozzio and "some members of Dream Theater".
This is called Impact. It features Bozzio, Petrucci, Sheehan,
Guillory, and Sherinian, if my memory serves me. Look for it this
summer (I think it's done, but Magna Carta doesn't want to release
too many cds with the same players on em all at the same time).
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> I've got absolutely no experience with the technique, though I'm
> quite advanced in alternate picking and sweeping. I'd like to start out
> with easy stuff and work up to the crazy shit. Who should I start with if
> I wanted to learn some 8-finger stuff?
Well, the basic concept is to apply everything you do with your left
hand (on the guitar, you perv) to your right hand tapping technique.
Obviously, what you want to practice is legato techniques. Anything
you can do to increase finger individuality is helpful. I'm going to
have some stuff on my web page to detail this for people when i get a
chance, because it's too hard to explain in just text.
- Things to remember:
1). Always pull off the notes with your right hand... that is to
say, never "push off" the notes. For instance, a pull off with your
middle finger would not be an obscene gesture... you bring your
finger towards your palm (though not that dramatically).
2). Brace your right hand on your neck with your thumb. If you
anchor your thumb, you have more leverage. There are times when you
need to break the anchor, when you're moving around a lot, but it's
helpful to practice with the thumb touching the top of the fretboard
(conducive to better technique)
3). Don't feel like you always have to use all 4 fingers on each
hand in a tapping lick. The reason some people like "Octodigital
Technique" rather than 8 finger tapping, is that 8 finger tapping
implies that every finger is in use in every lick... which is stupid.
The most effective sounding tapped licks are often played with 2
fingers per hand (that's the best way to approach tapping 7th
arpeggios, for example). When you play regular legato, you probably
rarely use all 4 fingers on your left hand on each string, without
changing position. This applies for tapping as well. Of course, one
of the best exercises you can do for tapping is just the chromatic
scale, which means you WOULD use all 8 fingers. I like to play with
arpeggios, pentatonics, and an inverted mode concept I came up with
when I tap. But I'm not nearly as good at this stuff as you might
think.
4). Where are you going to put your pick? Toss it, hold it in your
mouth, or, like I usually do, hold it in your right middle finger,
and do your tapping with the other 3.
5). MUTE! You must mute the strings, or they will ring out and
drive you crazy! You can do one of two things: Cheat, and use a
muting device (either a hair tie, or a piece of cloth, or an actual
fret dampener like Batten) or go legit, like T.J. Helmerich (my
favorite of the 3 GIT 8 finger masters I know of) and Jeff Watson.
To do this, you just have to be mindful of the digits that aren't in
use, so you can move them quickly to mute a string before it rings
out. This comes as naturally as it does with regular legato... if
you're conscious of the strings ringing out, you'll be able to
develop a method to mute.
> Tacek, since we'ver heard about your two-handed talent, I'm expecting
> stuff from you.
See, this ain't fair. Bafu said I am some kind of tapping whiz, and
now I'm responsible for playing at some level I haven't even achieved
yet. :) Well... in case anyone is wondering, Bafu is a master
architect, electrician, and plumber. If you have ANY problems with
any of these areas (leaky faucets, broken cd players... need a high
rise apartment drafted and designed by next Thursday), just drop him
a letter, and tell him I sent you.
.
> This news broadcast has been brought you by KillMary, who reminds you that
> Ptacek is NOT spelled D-i-n-o- -K-h-o-e, and is NOT pronounced "Ing-Vay".
It's pronounced "Wank-Nub"
> From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
> Subject: Shredded Fingers
Beautiful post. :)
> From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
> Subject: Picks
I use Fender Extra Heavy picks. I like a full size pick, with only
a LITTLE bit of give. I don't like the complete rigidity of a metal
pick, or the sound it makes against the strings, and I hate little
picks. There's no purpose for em! The best pick I've ever found is
unfortunately my Michael Wilton guitar pick, which is more rigid than
an Extra Heavy, while being physically thinner... it's the perfect
pick material. Obviously I can't use this pick, though, and can't
find a way to get the same pick without having to steal a gross from
him.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:21:02 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: BOOTLEG FOR SALE (and no it isn't Lords of Sound)
Message-ID: <199803030021.TAA00860@al.cs.wm.edu>
> Lost in the Sky (2cd deluxe digipak)
>
> shopping has been good recently. $50 min bid for this excellent soundboard of
> Dream Theater from Milan 1993.
Everyone has been so busy bashing people that want good money for boots
they're selling, that I thought I would back Glenn up on his pursuit to sell
LitS. This boot kicks ass, and it's worth the 50 bucks -- or more. The
packaging is top notch - in the long-box shape, with one disc stored above the
other. A 10 page (or so - I'm at school, and I don't have LitS in front of
me) booklet with all sorts of snazzy pictures. And the performance is great.
(Then again, you knew that, because the set list features TLF, albeit without
the harmonies.)
If you have the money, get this.
-d
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:39:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Impact, was "12 Toe Tapping"
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980302193212.12155A-100000@voyager.cris.com>
Chris (p)Tacek wrote:
> > From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
>
> > During Billy Sheehan's clinic, he mentioned that he just finished a
> > recording with Terry Bozzio and "some members of Dream Theater".
>
> This is called Impact. It features Bozzio, Petrucci, Sheehan,
> Guillory, and Sherinian, if my memory serves me. Look for it this
> summer (I think it's done, but Magna Carta doesn't want to release
> too many cds with the same players on em all at the same time).
Yes, except I think the full title is The Age of Impact, which will be
released in June, hopefully.
<Dr.Mosh-Mode>
I was at a party this past weekend with Matt Guillory who
happened to have an advance copy of Liquid Tension Experiment he played
for us, and if I remember correctly he told me "Yeah, Age of Impact is
heavier than this. I think you'll like it."
</Dr.Mosh-Mode>
The Spine
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:39:17 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: More news around the hour
Message-ID: <199803030039.QAA01414@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, K I L L M A R Y said:
>
>
>Oh yeah, I got more news.
>
>Concept has split up. Bummer. I love the band, I thought Flow was a kickass
>CD, the other CDs were cool as hell too. Good songwriters. Singer Khan is
That would be... ConcepTION... :)
>Finally, Gordian Knot should start recording in April. For those who don't
>know, it's Sean Malone's second solo album that now has a band name,
>featuring Sean Reinert, Trey Gunn (King Crimson), Ron Jarzombek (Watchtower)
>and special guests John Myung (what's his band again?) and Frank Snelwar
>(Ever), among possible others...
This should be a twisted project...
All guitarists should try playing in the rain once... maybe we'll be rid
of more of them ego maniacs ;)
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:42:54 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Where to find LTE? Message-ID: <199803030042.QAA01477@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "L. Jason Hartman" said: > >Does anyone know where we are gonna be able to get Liquid Tension >when it comes out? Mall stores (doubt it)? Super stores (Best Buy/Tower)? >Mail order?
Well, it's on Magna Carta... so you should be able to find it just about anywhere... Borders bookstores, Tower Records, etc, under the title: Bafu Vai is not fast compared to US
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:46:11 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Billy Sheehan Message-ID: <199803030046.TAA15631@camel7.mindspring.com>
Emporer of Earth: >I've also heard rumors he might play with David Lee Roth on his "Hey, >I'm not dead, I just sound like I am" tour. There is also talk that >he may take Michael Anthony's job in Van Halen because Mikey has lost >80% of his brain to Jack Daniels and has a hard time remembering how >to actually "play" the bass instead of just throwing it around the >stage.
]From the man himself: Nobody has approached him yet for either position. He said Dave Lee Roth just went off and started saying stuff without having ever talked to him. He also said as of now he has no plans of playing with Van Halen, but he added that Eddie is an excelent guitar player he'd like to play with. So basically these are rumours like the one about Nuno playing with= Queensr=FFche.
When asked about other rock bass players, he said Doug Pinnick of King's X kicks ass :-)
>I'd like "Useless shit that means nothing to me" for $500, Alex." ;-)
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot this list was created just for you!!!! I know there's people in here who would like to know if there is a project with members of DT going on.
Oh, and for the instruments thread... I'm a bass player who plays a Yamaha 6-string :-) Most guitar players here play Ibanez, but I bet there aren't that many Yamaha bass players here... I didn't get the bass because of JM though - I really think that Yamaha makes kickass basses. I also have a Neuser 5-string that I strung C-G-D-A-D rather than G-D-A-E-B as it originally came as.
Later...
NP: Adam Sandler - They're All Gonna Laugh At You. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / \_________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:51:30 EST From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: dunlop jazz 3's Message-ID: <ee9feab9.34fb5414@aol.com>
someone mention dunlop jazz iii's? i love em. not just that.....
i swear by them. that's the only thing i'll ever play with, really.
got the idea to do so by reading about vernon reid playing with those. he even claimed that there was a slight difference in guitar tone with the black and red picks. i believe he said the red picks give you a glassier sound (forgot what he said about the black ones). i don't exactly subscribe to that point of view, but i still fell in love with them, anyways...
koba, wild.
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75@aol.com
"living comes much easier once we admit we're dying." -j. petrucci ************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:53:10 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 12 Toe Tapping Message-ID: <199803030053.QAA01685@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, someone@prognosis.com said: > >> During Billy Sheehan's clinic, he mentioned that he just finished a >> recording with Terry Bozzio and "some members of Dream Theater". > > This is called Impact. It features Bozzio, Petrucci, Sheehan, >Guillory, and Sherinian, if my memory serves me. Look for it this >summer (I think it's done, but Magna Carta doesn't want to release >too many cds with the same players on em all at the same time).
Yes, to be more precise, that would be AGE OF IMPACT... written by that phunky dude from Magellan, Trent... featuring the above mentioned shreduosos... So to break it down, we have from MC (www.magnacarta.net):
Liquid Tension Experiment: March 10th Chaos Theory (with new name): Sometime April, maybe May Age of Impact: Most likely around June bordering on July.
And of course the other notable releases like Platypus (Myung, Tabor, etc), Gordian Knot (those Cynic guys and that one madman from Watchtower). I have no idea at this point when they plan to bomb us with that stuff yet.
And of course... Symphony-X's Twilight on Olympus (smoke that, EENNNGVAY), which should be released in Japan...
Supposedly Angra is coming out with an album this year... and rumor has it they're talking to a big label here in the U.S. (ie: not MC, or Noise, or Massacre, or Metal Blade, we're talking label the size of Elektra).
Stratovarius is coming out with a 2CD live set.
And last but not least, Fates Warning is gonna release their live stuff later on this year, Video and CD I believe.
And of course... Ptacek will be playing at an ARENA near you... with special guest Bafu of course.
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:59:26 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: BOOTLEG FOR SALE (and no it isn't Lords of Sound) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980302194913.17305B-100000@voyager.cris.com>
Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
> > Lost in the Sky (2cd deluxe digipak) > > > > shopping has been good recently. $50 min bid for this excellent soundboard > > of Dream Theater from Milan 1993.
[snip]
> If you have the money, get this.
I posted a praise about Lords of Sound and I'll praise this one too. This bootleg puts even legitimately released CD packaging to shame. It is the ultimate in packaging I've seen so far. The source is from an FM broadcast, however a couple of tracks on disc 2 are from an audience source tape. I forget exactly where, but it reverts back to the soundboard source a bit further into the disc. Another point of interest is that this was made by the now deceased boot company in Italy called "Why Not?". They have closed their doors, I believe, nearly two years ago, which means yes, you guessed it, this boot is long since out-of-print. Grab this gem if you can.
Rick Audet
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