YTSEJAM Digest 3634
Today's Topics:
1) Re: vanderbilt jan 4th
by YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org>
2) Bad trader list
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
3) Mike & LTE
by Echomanyyz <Echomanyyz@aol.com>
4) Oh where, oh where have all the keyboardists gone?
by "Denis" <voxman@snet.net>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3626
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
6) #ytsejam
by Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com>
7) The Playful Insanity Of A Progressive Fan.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
8) what picks?
by "LionelWong" <precious@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
9) Summer tour
by AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
10) Re: Bad trader list
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
11) FINALLY
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
12) The Mirror
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
13) DT show in Munich, 10/3/98
by goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
14) Nicky Lemons
by goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:06:15 -0500
From: YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: vanderbilt jan 4th
Message-ID: <35077B57.58E43785@DreamT.org>
>> "What was being thrown around at the January 4th show at the Vandi in
>> Plainveiw. I caught some of it, but I was wondering if you could tell me
>> that. I also heard that you started it, is that true? Let us know, we are
>That was a vegetable salad.
what exactally is a vegetable salad anyway? :)
it was a vegetable platter.
Mike and Derek did start it from side of the stage behing the soundboard.
and Btw, why do i have to see this question asked on the jam?
i don't want to see the 'Ytsejam Mailing List' turn into the
'Are You Really Portnoy Mailing List'
Ask the man privately.
thanks,
YtseJim
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:13:12 -0600
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bad trader list
Message-ID: <35077CF8.495A@auburn.net>
Andrew Forcier was the one that compiled the list, but I haven't seen a
post from him on here in several months. As a matter of fact, I haven't
heard from him at all since we were both talking about going to Progday
97 last summer. If you're still lurking, Andrew, send me an email.
Roger, are you maintaining the list now, or does someone else need to
take over?
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:31:54 EST
From: Echomanyyz <Echomanyyz@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mike & LTE
Message-ID: <62be12d6.3507815c@aol.com>
Portnoy420 is the real deal. He posted the same message on the AOL DT message
board.
On Tuesday after school, I immediately went to Tower Records and grabbed one
of the *3* (yes you heard me right- 3) copies of LTE. Great album!!! My
favorite song so far is Universal Mind.
-Ian
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:35:18 -0000
From: "Denis" <voxman@snet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Oh where, oh where have all the keyboardists gone?
Message-ID: <000701bd4d57$20d27980$540e3ccc@default.maagnum>
If you or anyone you know are or know a keyboardist who fits the description
below PLEASE let us know. Thanks so much!
October thorns, a progressive metal outfit based in Brooklyn, NY, seeks a
highly talented, dedicated, keyboardist. Our influences include, Dream
Theater, Fates warning, Symphony X, Angra, Malmsteen, Cynic,Tony
MacAlpine.... We have management with industry contacts here AND overseas,
and our guitarist runs A NYC promotion/booking agency.. We just need the
FINAL element to make this band complete..NO EGOs please..
If interested. Please Contact Denis:
voxman@snet.net
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:07:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3626
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980312015958.129616A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 9 Mar 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> Any chance anyone out there is a Lillian Axe fan?
Are you kidding? Of course.
I've been going crazy
> trying to find the artists who did a song called "Misery Loves Company"
> back in the mid-80s and finally noticed the other day that their debut had
> a song by the right name. If anyone just happens to have their debut,
> write me! I'd like to see if I've finally found this song...
>
Lillian Axe is one of the two most amazing bands that never really "made
it" stateside (the other being Canada's Harem Scarem). They are absolutely
great and I whole-heartily advise any jammer that is even remotely into
hard rock to pick them up. Stevie Blaze (guitarist) has a definite streak
of classical influences running through him and is, without a doubt, my
favorite lyricist of all time. I recommend "Poetic Justice" or
"Pyschoskitzophrenia" over their self-titled or "Love And War." Definitely
check them out.
Richie
P.S. Mike P: Damn! D-man said your address was obvious, but I never
thought it would be THAT obvious.
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:32:08 -0700
From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: #ytsejam
Message-ID: <35079D87.9DD032BE@TransWestTaxi.com>
Hi all!
coming outta lurk mode for a minute-Is the #Ytsejam channel still going?
I can't seem to get onto it, so I can't provide harrassment:(. Lemme
know!!
FII is very good. I enjoy it:) it helped break in the new CD changer in
my cab!! Nice!!
Back to lurk mode:)
Rock on!
Pam
--
Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton
____/----^----\____ The greatest tool
</__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o for world peace
O O "THE INTERNET"
E-mail: cwheaton@TransWestTaxi.com
http://www.TransWestTaxi.com
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:22:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Playful Insanity Of A Progressive Fan.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980312071726.10874A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
this has been one hell of a week.
so, i go into tower yesterday to have a look at (not buy...i'm
getting it from CDNOW) LTE. I look. Nothing. I ask the guy behind the
counter "Hey, do you have any copies of the LTE?" and he looks at me like
i've got three heads. I explained to him what it was, and then his
sidekick said "oh yah, i think we have it somewhere." turns out they had
it IN THE BACK ROOM...of course, ready and available for everyone to buy
it. damn wood elves.
anyway, about portnoy - yes, that's his email. there's no need to
mail him with "if that's really you..." 'cause he probably won't answer
those anyway. As for the "420", there's quite another reason for it's use,
and it isn't Mike's birthday, and it's much too illegal to talk about. :)
for those who are intersted, there's going to be an official
haji's kitchen website up soon, run by yous truly. i'm looking for
suggestios as to "what someone would want" on the site, so all ideas are
welcome.
- m.
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syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:34:02 +0800
From: "LionelWong" <precious@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: what picks?
Message-ID: <199803121343.VAA09258@zinc.singnet.com.sg>
What???? now we have people talking about how picks can help your tone?
Next they're gonna be saying "Hey! this new Guitar Strap gives me an all
new comfortable feeling and guess what? I play better!" Who cares!?!!??
Nobody's gonna scrutinize U abt whether U should play with a pick that's
made of nylon, perspex, glass, wood or rubber! If U can play, U can
play..... that's all that matters.... so forget the mumbojumbo abt
plectrums and just play...... maybe with a little more practice, U'll sound
better than with a new pick!
CRYSTAL PLANET RULES!!!!!!! (but satch's running out of ideas....)
Lionel Wong (JP Wannabe)
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:04:19 -0600 (CST)
From: AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Summer tour
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95q.980312080211.6008F-100000@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
No, no...
What you do is put LTE ahead of the opener, and give Portnoy just enough
time to catch his breath and let the sweat dry, and THEN you drag the
darling back out for DT and the monster jam ;> Otherwise, we'll have a
collapsible Mike by the end of the whole intense setup.
-=AlisOn=-
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:06:01 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bad trader list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980312140001.636A-100000@thompson.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y. wrote:
> Andrew Forcier was the one that compiled the list, but I haven't seen a
> post from him on here in several months. As a matter of fact, I haven't
> heard from him at all since we were both talking about going to Progday
> 97 last summer. If you're still lurking, Andrew, send me an email.
Well, the last time I heard from Andrew was when we completed a
trade a looong time ago, I think. :-)
> Roger, are you maintaining the list now, or does someone else need to
> take over?
Well, given that the list had so much hits in just 2 or 3 days
(more than 30, which I really didn't expect), I reformatted the list of
good/bad traders and put a preliminary html version of it on the following
URL: <http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ytselist.html>
If you're (not you, Swifty, the people reading this message) too
lazy to fire up your browser here is the list in a more beautiful format
than the last time. Please, send me the updates to the list. I think that
I'll update the list on weekends (that's when I'll have some free time). I
think that I'll put updates every Saturday.
The list:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
List of Good and Bad Traders
This is a list of the people that members of the Dream Theater Mailing
List, The Ytse Jam, have traded with. The list manager's e-mail
address is andrew.forcier@prudential.com and all requests should be
directed here.
Do not mail bomb the people on the list asking for trades. This list
should be for use if there is a question over someone you have
initiated trade talks with.
All listings are sorted alphabetically by last name in categories of
1) with e-mail address, 2) with loaction, 3) with full name, 4) with
nick name.
Those who are listed in the *good trader* section are those who
completed their trade to the satisfaction of the recipient.
Those who are listed in the *mixed response* section either a) were
submitted for both the good and bad trader lists, or b) completed the
trade, but not to the recipient's satisfaction. This only refers to if
the *service or materials* were unsatisfactory. This does not mean
include if you thought the recording was poor quality, just the time
frame the materials were sent in and the manner in which they were
sent (i.e., not the type of tape you requested, no cases sent when
requested, poor mailing packaging).
Those who are listed in the *bad trader* section did not complete
their trade at all.
At any time, any person may 1) request a copy of this list, 2) submit
a name for any section of this list, and 3) request information as to
who submitted what name. Any issues relating to why a person submitted
a name will not be dealt with by the list manager; take it up with the
person who submitted the name.
If you see a name listed twice in a row, please ignore the
duplication, it is just a managerial error. If you have any additional
information about names listed here (e-mail address, location) please
feel free to submit it.
Also, at the very bottom of this list are the names of reputable CD
distributors. They will deliver your CDs as ordered, and in a timely
manner (6-8 weeks). Submissions are accepted for this list also.
Please ensure that they meet the standards above.
_________________________________________________________________
GOOD TRADERS
With e-mail address:
* Bahr, Melissa (emerald@goodnet.com)
* Bahr, Mike (durnik@goodnet.com), (also www.goodnet.com/~durnik).
* Bellardine, Christopher (chris154@clam.rutgers.edu)
* Borland, Graham (gborland@apsoft.co.uk)
* Brito, Rogerio (rbrito@ime.usp.br)
* Colberg, Jim (Jamesarin@aol.com)
* Desobe, Eric (EricD91011@aol.com)
* Eric ?? (EricD91011@aol.com)
* Griffin, Pat (c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu)
* Huisman, Eddy (+EDDYH@CSI.compuserve.com)
* Maurissen, Bart (bart@bausch.be)
* Merlo, Chris (cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org)
* Trevor ?? (trevorw@ms.kallback.com)
* Warren, Richard (rwarren@memphisonline.com)
With location:
* Cook, Scott (California)
* Ollila, Mape (Finland)
* Silva, David (unknown e-mail address from Penn State)
By last name:
* Albert, Jen (Airdance)
* Backoff, Michael
* Balich, Brian
* Bast, George
* Batey, Ted
* Berger, Matthew
* Bertapelle, Adam
* Bode, Olaf
* Braun, Randall
* Burstin. Mike
* Chang, Telly
* Chew, Steve
* Cox, Brian
* Craven, Todd
* Daugherty, Kevin
* Erwich, Matthew
* Fyhr, Chris
* Gorny, Stephen
* Hartman, Jason
* Hoit, Trevor
* Keast, Michael
* Kobayashi, Kaoru
* Kotzian, John
* Lodge, Tim
* Lupone, Vince
* Ma, Fernando
* McCabe, John
* Odneal, Larry
* Ostrich, Mike
* Peele, Jay
* Polzin, Edward
* Preissl, Wolf
* Rivera, Richie
* Robbins, Matthew
* Runde, Jay
* Schaefer, Andreas (Jerry)
* Semerenko, Walter
* Severine, Greg
* Silva, Dave
* Steadle, Eric Lee
* Temmesfield, Dan
* Viele, Mario (Ripzero)
By nick name:
* Jen (jenniebear)
* Dr. Mosh
_________________________________________________________________
MIXED RESPONSE
_________________________________________________________________
BAD TRADERS
With location:
* Carey, James (New York)
* Estrada, Alan (Mexico)
* Frankel, Charone (California)
By last name:
* Balkewicz, Al
* Haynes, Jeremy
* Moscardini, Sue
Address only:
* Anyone living at 6 Kish in Wallingford CT
_________________________________________________________________
CD DISTRIBUTORS
* Kiss the Stone (KTS) Records
* Knights of the Round
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> Mark Peters
> swifty@auburn.net
See ya, Roger...
--
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Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito
Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:26:05 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FINALLY
Message-ID: <e8baac5b.350828be@aol.com>
i finally got ahold of a copy of LTE, its amazing, just as i expected, i love
the 8th track Universal Mind, i have heard it twice before though, actually i
probably heard all of them, just Universal Mind is the only one i distinctly
recognize.. i while ago i posted asking what the songs played before dream
theater's opening band was and well, no one answered me, and well, here's my
answer! anyway, everyone get it, it's awesome
Rocky
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:26:54 -0600 (CST)
From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
To: Ytsecadabra! <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Mirror
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980312132142.12566C-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
so I was listening to some DT in the car the other day, and for some
reason I recalled a thread from at least two years ago (bonus points for
anyone who remembers this thread - special bonus points if you can prove
you participated). anyway, someone hypothesized that the line "how in the
hell could you possibly forgive me after all the hell i put you though?"
was not written well because of the repetition of the word "hell", and
said that the front of the line should be changed to "how on earth..." ...
and as i was driving and having some sort of jam-flashback i thought, well
that's dumb, because it flows so much more betterer to sing "how in the
hell", and you could just change the second "hell" to "pain" and get a
nice alliteration (that's a big word mosh, better consult a dictionary)
going...
ok, that's my pointless muttering for the day. go back to doing whatever
it is that you people do.
go navy!
-id
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:31:55 +0100 (MET)
From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT show in Munich, 10/3/98
Message-ID: <m0yDDhs-00009QC@inf.fu-berlin.de>
Hi!
Two days ago I travelled to Munich to see DT and Vanden Plas. Kind of crazy,
because Munich is quite far away from Berlin and it got a bit expensive
for me...
(To the Italian 'jammer thinking about travelling a long way to see DT:
Do it! It's worth it!!!)
One day before the trip my friend from Berlin who travelled with me told me
that it wouldn't be possible for me to stay at his friend's house in Munich
as it was planned because there were already some more visitors. At this point
I was thinking about abandoning the trip, but luckily I didn't. :-)
And I quickly found something else for the night: I shared a hotel room
with fellow 'jammers Choon-Kang and Matthias. They travel to all the
following German dates... so actually I'm not that crazy, but they are. :-)
We went to the hall quite early, met James near the bus and talked to him
for a second. After that we found a door on the back of the hall
which was open so we could take a look in the hall: DT were just doing
their soundcheck! Choon-Kang walked right in and headed towards the stage.
When Mike Portnoy saw her he yelled in his microphone: "Hey! I saw your
pictures on the internet!" (cf the 'jam one day before and the pictures at
http://www.euronet.nl/users/ouden/ ). Needless to say, that was not exactly
what I expected to happen at this point... :-)
When Matthias and me tried to get in, too, the security threw us out......
Other pre-show stuff:
Jerry wrote:
> When we arrived about 1/2 hour before the gates were opened, there
> were already a few guys pretty drunk and screaming their lungs out...
> From what I heard it seemed to me these guys were hungarian - anyone
> from the yjam?
Before the show we met some of them at the toilet where they were singing
DT songs (of course totally out of tune...). They told us that they were
from Slovenia. Considering their state of drunkeness, I was surprised that
they were still able to attend the show...
> By pure coincidence (thanks for the smoke :) I met Ties and some of
> his friends right where I was standing in front of the stage.
> It's a small world after all..
This was one of the funniest things! Among more than 2000 people in the hall,
the guy who is standing next to my friend from Berlin and starts talking and
smoking with him, happens to be fellow 'jammer Jerry.... :-)
Okay, on to the show:
Vanden Plas had a much better sound than at the two times when I saw
them with DT last year (Copenhagen & Hamburg). They did a great job and
got a great reaction from the audience.
DT were in good form, too, and it seems they had a lot of fun during the
2 h 15 of their show. This was the 9th time I saw them and I'm still
heavily impressed when I see them play. Not much more to say about the show!
Here's the setlist (thanks Choon-Kang!):
Munich 3/10/1998 (set 1)
Lines In The Sand
Burning My Soul
Voices
Under A Glass Moon
Anna Lee (2nd drumkit)
Hollow Years (2nd drumkit)
keyboard solo
Crack / Puppies
Just Let Me Breathe
Lie
Peruvian Skies
guitar solo
Pull Me Under
ACOS IV Winters
Ytse Jam / drum solo
New Millenium
Encore:
Medley: Metropolis, Learning To Live, ACOS VII
For a medley, the medley was not bad. ;-)
After the show I talked to Torsten from Vanden Plas for a while. He was quite
happy about the audience reaction that day.
At the so-called aftershow there was not much going on, only Derek was there
for a second (really just a second). The other DT members disppeared into the
bus quickly. Later when a group of people was waiting near the bus John Myung
came out and signed some autographs.
Well, unfortunately I didn't get the chance to talk to Nicky Lemons. ;-(
Ok, I'm looking forward to seeing DT on sunday in Berlin, hi to all of you
who will be there!! I think we have a good chance of seeing Nightmare Cinema,
up to now they did it in major cities like Paris, London, Tokyo, LA, NY...
and I guess Berlin qualifies !?!
Bis bald,
Ties
P.S. to the guy looking for a girl he met at that show: Viel Glueck!
--
The Web Thing - Vanden Plas Internet Site:
http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/vp/vp.html
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:44:15 +0100 (MET)
From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Nicky Lemons
Message-ID: <m0yDDto-00009QC@inf.fu-berlin.de>
Christian (K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>) wrote:
> I have one final question, and pardon me as I shout.
> WHO THE FUCK IS NICKY LEMMONS??????
(shameless plug:)
Check out http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/nicky/ !
There's a picture of him, I'm sure you know him. ;-)
Take care,
Ties
--
The Web Thing - Vanden Plas Internet Site:
http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/vp/vp.html
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