YTSEJAM Digest 3647
Today's Topics:
1) Re: New receiver
by AL <al@isd.net>
2) Re: Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity
by DragynLMC3 <DragynLMC3@aol.com>
3) NDTC (Reviews)
by "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
4) lte/best buy
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
5) Yamaha, Carvin etc distributors ???
by "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie>
6) Re: Confessions of a Bad Trader
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
7) More LTE Ramblings
by krackley@weidmuller.com
8) Re: CD-R & CD-RW: More NDTC dumb questions
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
9) LTE and the troubles I endured
by "Kreps, Kevin" <K.Kreps@dialogic.com>
10) Portnoy Rules?
by mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
11)
by Volodya <provibe@club-internet.fr>
12) LTE and drums
by Alexander Moritz <moritz@tu-harburg.de>
13) Re: CD stores
by Bezerk01 <Bezerk01@aol.com>
14) Fasten Your Seatbelts Info
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
15) Shadow Gallery mailing list
by Jonathan Case <jcase@HESS.METR.ou.edu>
16) Re: Shadow Gallery mailing list
by Carol Dellinger <cdelling@mail.legato.com>
17) Brendt's addy, LTE again
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
18) TORI
by AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:36:33 -0600
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: YTSE Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: New receiver
Message-ID: <350D1CD1.30490E3A@isd.net>
>Michael Burstin wrote
> I am currently looking into getting a new receiver for my stereo,
> as my current Sony receiver is acting up (once again, this thing
You may want to check out the offerings from Rotel.
http://wwww.rotel.com/rotel/
Rotel is far above average quality at a modest price. I hope this helps.
-- See ya, AL...Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:12:11 EST From: DragynLMC3 <DragynLMC3@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity Message-ID: <70f9ff12.350d252e@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-16 06:49:48 EST, you write:
> Nu =E4r det s=E5 =E4ntligen h=E4r! De progressiva h=E5rdrockarna Dream > Theaters fj=E4rde riktiga studio-album, om man inte r=E4knar med 1995 > =E5rs "A Change Of Seasons". Deras f=F6rra studioplatta "Awake" > sl=E4pptes 1994. N=E4r nu "Falling Into Infinity" snurrar i > CD-spelaren kan man konstatera att det var v=E4rt v=E4ntan.... <snip>
I dunno but for some reason I think maybe even the people who would have understood this had a little trouble with it... I didnt know we had martians on this list :}
~Lisa v=E5 N=E4...
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Date: 16 Mar 98 15:21:23 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NDTC (Reviews) Message-ID: <0021DEE9080000010103EB875F042E@mail.logisware.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
In the ongoing, but somewhat irregular series of Mape's album reviews, you (all the two of you who care) are about to see two new episodes. The emphasis is today on Italian prog/metal. Here we go...
Empty Tremor:Apocolokyntosys (Rising Sun Productions/Pick Up Records)
Well, Italian melodic and technical prog metal...from the first bars of this disc it is evident that Empty Tremor are disciples of the almighty Dream Theater. Every note on "Apocolokyntosys" has the words "Images and Words" carved in them. Unlike most of the Italian bands I've heard Empty Tremor also has a very good singer. Giovanni De Luigi stays within his own vocal range and delivers the songs with great emotion and tone, although something in his voice leaves me with a "cold" impression. De Luigi's pronunciation of English is also almost flawless, which is another rarity among Italian singers. All members of Empty Tremor sound like prominent instrumentalists, if I understand anything about such things, being that I'm just a drummer, but I do know that the bassist and drummer are quite sick. The songs on "Apocolokyntosys" are catchy, yet progressive, the disc has approximately a million of tempo changes and the insane rhythm patterns make the listener stay fascinated for several spins. For those who tend to get emotional with music, there are some very beautiful keyboard passages too. :)
Despite the fact that the song structures and overall sounds on this CD evoke a ghost voice saying "imagesandwords, imagesandwords" in the listeners head, Empty Tremor is a very welcome addition to the field of Dream Theater-inspired progressive metal acts. Having heard Mayadome, Ivanhoe, Heads or Tales and a horde of other DT-wannabes, I'd say that Empty Tremor has enough of originality in them to make a real dirrenrence. If the way Dream Theater is currently heading does not please you as much as their previous efforts, this is the disc to get. Empty Tremor's keyboarder Daniele Liverani is just 23 years old and the rest of the bunch are even younger, it's downright scary what may be ahead for Empty Tremor. The best ever Italian progressive metal album has now seen the daylight.
Rating: 9/10
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Shadows of Steel:Shadows of Steel (Underground Symphony)
Shadows of Steel are from Italy and they play melodic speed metal with a lot of classical influences in the vein of Skylark and ja Rhapsody. There are some hints or progressive rock influences in their sound too, but not enough to justify pigeonholing this into progressive metal. There's way more attitude in Shadows of Steel than you could ever ask for, their singer calls himself "Wild Steel", which must be the corniest stage name ever and to add to the camp humour department, he even wears a metal mask somewhat similar to those of Crimson Glory. But for the music, Shadows of Steel is a whirlwind turned into music. Their songs gallop at 200 MPH for the most of the time, all the melodies are catchy as hell and the two first tracks of the album have what it takes to make them speed metal classics. The rest of the disc isn't all that much worse, but for all I care, Shadows of Steel could do better by dropping their random pokes at progressive metal in the middle of their 200 MPH songs. As you can probably guess, these "prog" parts are totally out of place here, they give me the same impression as a Formula CART running into a concrete wall and its motor stalling a ten seconds later only to start again and speeding away another ten seconds later. Wild Steel prononces English with a very irritating accent and his voice is a VERY high nasal vaice, which unintentinally slips into falsetto all too often, but once you get used to it, you'll accept it. Getting used to it may take more of your nerves than a nagging mother-in-law, though. In the usual Underground Symphony style, the disc production sucks hard and the musicians aren't quite as good as Rhapsody, who they obviously want to sound like, but you can't blame them for trying. Once Shadows of Steel decide to ditch their somewhat strange courtship with prog metal, they'll get even better than they are now.
Rating: 8/10
Despite the public feedback, there will be more of this shit in some of the next jams. :)
_Mape_
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:25:45 -0600 From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: lte/best buy Message-ID: <199803161326.FAA21204@germany.it.earthlink.net>
>Called the local Best Buy in Woodbury MN. (eastern St. Paul Suburb) asked if they >had LTE. To my surprise they did!
the BB in our area didn't get one single copy. but, got it from CDNOW last Friday. i'm going to take it into work today and knock some socks off with it. ;-)
yzzy
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:31:18 -0000 From: "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yamaha, Carvin etc distributors ??? Message-ID: <61F3B4EC9D23D11181A0006097AD1D731265BA@skylight.mvt.ie>
Hello People,
Are there any RELIABLE suppliers of Yamaha or Carvin basses in existence? I'm looking towards buying a TRB6 or LB76 and I'd like to buy from either the US or Europe as it would cost about IR1800 to buy locally. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Rob.
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:34:22 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Confessions of a Bad Trader Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980316103201.21521B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, graham boyle wrote:
> Now a couple of good traders, who are always gentlemen > Mape from Finland and Roger from Brasil :)
Thank ya for the priceless ad. :-)
BTW, I think that if the list of bad traders help people at least discuss some of their old trades, it is definitely serving its purpose. :-)
> graham
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:38:58 -0500 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: More LTE Ramblings Message-ID: <199803161338.IAA00166@mail.weidmuller.com>
Been listening to LTE all day in the car. This shit is awesome. One of the guitarists in the and really hates instrumental CDs, but he said he was heading out to pick this one up tomorrow.
Later, Kevin
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:56:17 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: CD-R & CD-RW: More NDTC dumb questions Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980316104625.21521E-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Calvin 6S wrote:
> Okay, I am really getting into buying a CD-RW but I still have a couple of > questions. > > 1) If I make an ADAT recording of my music and wanted to make it a CD, can I > do digitial, not analog copy for perfect copies?
Yes, but you must have a digital i/o sound board, like Zefiro's ZA/2.
> 2) If I have a CD-R, can I record 4 songs that take up about 20 minutes and > then record 3 tracks later, and then another 3. No erasing, just adding to > the CD-R. Of course this would come from collecting DT rarities and slowly > building a CD of them.
Yes, you can add the tracks, but you'll have to keep the CD "open". When you finalize the CD (that's the name of the process), you won't be able to add any more songs. But finalizing is necessary for playing in most conventional CD players. If you don't finalize the disc, you will probably be able to hear the CD only in your computer.
> 3) Is it a pain in the ass to record from your personal stereo? For example, > record from an audio tape or MiniDisc or DAT. I know I would do this because > I would make live recordings of Band practice and then want to put good > rehearsals on a CD-R. I would like to eventually standardize everything to > CD, and when it becomes affordable, DVD-RW. But if recording from sources > other than CD is a pain in the ass, then I probably wouldn't bother.
I think it is, and then you have to make some sound edits to the sounds that you recorded, such as noise removal and other adjustments. Takes a lot of time (I'm assuming that you don't have a digital i/o card).
> 4) How hard is it to record assembled tracks from many CD's onto a > CD-R? Sometimes I want to make best of CD's to listen at work, workout, > and in the car.
Not very hard. Just take the pile of CD, extract the songs (takes some time, but is a very easy job) and record the best-of CD.
> 5) I heard if you record DATA to CD-R or CD-RW's that you don't get the > full 650 MB. Is this true?
No, this isn't true. If you record data, you'll be able to record 650MB (assuming that you're not using UDF/DirectCD, a new format to incrementally add data to the disc). If you record audio, you'll be able to record up to 74 minutes (approximately -- it depends on the brand of the disc and the software being used to record the material to the CD). That's because audio is recorded with less error correcting codes than data.
> Please email me personally considering most people wouldn't want to hear > this stuff on the ytsejam@ax.com. I wouldn't put this on here, but I > don't want to talk to computer guys. They talk right over my head and > don't know how to answer the question I actually asked. I'm computer > literate, not computer smart.
I'm not a computer guy, you know. :-) I hate these damn machines that don't understand what I tell them to do. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:08:15 -0500 From: "Kreps, Kevin" <K.Kreps@dialogic.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LTE and the troubles I endured Message-ID: <DC98876F9BBBD111A5F900A02461FF1303C208@mailnj.dialogic.com>
To all readers,
First, I would like to say; I am a first time writer, long time reader. Now that is out of the way, I went to a Sam Goody's on the Monday, before the release of LTE t see if they would be getting a copy - Yes, One copy - which was in. The nice lady was going to get it for me went the manager said "We can't sell that to tomorrow, you'll have to come back." I asked if they could hold it for me and the answer was "No, but call first thing in the morning." I did and the answer was "No we don't have it anymore." I then called 11 other stores in the area I work in asking for it, 9 out of the 11 had no clue to what I was even talking about. I had 3 orders to get it in - No of which panned out. Still, this is Tuesday - - I went home to the Pocono's, and decide to try the little local dive music shop. I asked and they said "Here's your CD, we didn't think you would becoming in for it and we where going to put it out for sale." It was 7:40 and they were closing soon, so I may have curbed someone out of a LTE CD, but on the other hand it was late and I wanted it so.
People should care about what they listen to, until that day my friends we will forever be the better for caring about our taste in music. For as long as we strive to obtain a higher level in our own understanding - music is the doorway to our hearts, minds and very souls.
Thanks- Kevin
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:29:33 EST From: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Portnoy Rules? Message-ID: <199803161430.GAA08563@odin.ax.com>
--- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 03-16-98 09:10
I was just informed by a fellow at work that last Saturday afternoon during a professional wrestling program, someone was is the crowd holding a sign that said "Portnoy Rules" with a majesty logo under it. He didn't know what wrestling show it was and since I'm not an avid "professional" wrestling (sounds like a double-negative, doesn't it:) fan, can anyone confirm this? I thought that DT fans would have more important things to do than attend studio wrestling events (like listening to LTE :)
See-ya, Shawn
---- 03-16-98 09:10 ---- Sent to ------------------------------------ -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET Advantis IBM Mail Exchange
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:12:49 +0100 From: Volodya <provibe@club-internet.fr> To: ytsejam@ax.com, bglist@bigfoot.com Message-ID: <332C0DEF.F29F8F9@club-internet.fr>
Hi, there! Here's some cool news for ANGRA fans: the new E.P. will be released on the 5th of June and will contain 5 songs including one new song, cover of Manowar or Queensryche, "Make belief" (acoustic version), a traditional brazilian song and something else. The new album is scheduled to be released on the 4th of September this year. Angra will make a VERY SPECIAL appearance opening for Royal Hunt under a name "Carolina 4" and will play only cover songs. This will take place in Paris, France on the 18th of April in the venue called "Cafe de la Dance". The ticket price is $15. Take care.
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:21:36 +0000 From: Alexander Moritz <moritz@tu-harburg.de> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LTE and drums Message-ID: <350D518F.1A651C55@tu-harburg.de>
Hi everyone,
just got the LTE CD from World of Music in Hamburg, Germany. So, here's a couple a things:
Why didnt Kevin Shirley lay down such a nice TAMA drum sound on FII (it aint falling into infinity at least)? - on the LTE album you can really pick out its a Tama (just kidding). But the sound is great (cant be compared with the triggered stuff on Awake or so). Does anyone know something about his technique of soundmixing / producing? Someone wrote here in ytsejam digest that he discovered a Zidjian on the photo on the back. I can confirm that. Why so ever. Got a great sound. Though, why doesnt MP mention it on the inlay/thanx?
So LTE is available in Germany now and my next songs gonna be the 3 minute warning....
Alex
Any drummers out there? What drums are you pounding on??
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:42:30 EST From: Bezerk01 <Bezerk01@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: CD stores Message-ID: <3890cf38.350d4869@aol.com>
I can't speak for the Chicago area Best Buys, but I work in North Carolina, and every store here got 1 copt of LTE. Of course, the one for my store never made it out of the back room until I left for the day (the perks of being the Music supervisor!). I even had two people come in in the first hour asking for it, but I played dumb and sent them to the other two Charlotte stores. Just so you know, we at the store level have no say in which cd's we carry, it is all sent out by a central computer up in Minnesota, but sometimes we get some good things. I have gotten all of my non import DT stuff at Best Buy, and I have picked up most of my Helloween, LTE, Altura, and Artensionstuff here. We have also carried Threshold, and the Bozzio, Levins, & Stevens project down here.
Aaron <Bezerk01@aol.com>
"But don't cut your losses to soon, because you will only be cutting your throat" - Dream Theater "Take the glory, steal the prize, only the Hunter survives" - GTR
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:10:41 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fasten Your Seatbelts Info Message-ID: <v04003a00b132fef88da5@[18.220.0.27]>
Hey all,
I'm sorry to take up bandwidth here again, but if I occasionally post this information, I get a better response from you guys.
If you downloaded the Ytsejam - Fasten Your Seatbelts MP3 or the New Millennium MP3, both from DT's show at the Roxy on 12/13/97, then go to http://web.mit.edu/bogie/ to find out how to get the entire show.
Thanks, Nick Bogovich aka Bogie on #ytsejam
NP: Japanese Hollow Years! Wooha.
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:49:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@HESS.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shadow Gallery mailing list Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.980316104836.25378C-100000@hess>
To whomever is in charge:
I tried to subscribe to the SG mailing list, but I got this error message, claiming I need to be subscribed already in order to post. SO, I guess I need someone to subscribe me here first, before I can ask to be subscribed!
-Jon jcase@rossby.ou.edu
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:13:53 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger <cdelling@mail.legato.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery mailing list Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980316091353.00a32a10@mail.legato.com>
Jon,
I have added you to the Gallery of Shadows Mailing List. You will get a formal welcome msg from the list later tonight! Happy Posting!
Coldfire Gallerymistress@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:10:15 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Brendt's addy, LTE again Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980316125942.17381B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
KorgX3 remarked: > Jeeez! First Bernd, Marcel, Mike and now Brendt. This is gonna start > turning into Prog-celeb central station at this rate. :) If I were you > Brendt, I'd fake my return email addy, just in case. ;)
Too late. I mailed him a couple months back when he made some remarks about Kansas to let him know what I thought of "Carved in Stone." It's a valid email address. :)
Brendt's a really nice guy, though, so send him those emails! Maybe then he'll get some idea of how many of us are anxiously awaiting "Tyranny"...
Luke wanted to know: > LTE : With all the trouble, stress and frustration people are having to > get this CD, does anyone else see the irony in the name ? LIQUID TENSION > EXPERIMENT - a rigged experiment to see how many devoted jammer's go > insane with blood boiling tension just to try and find the bloody CD via > dealings with record store ignorance to anything other than > "Match-Spice-20-Hanson-Box-Girls"...
I dunno, but I got really tired of seeing how many Live and Gordon Lightfoot CDs each store had. One store even had stuff by Lipps, Inc. -- but no LTE. Yay, CDNow for getting it to me in two days.
Ta, Phil
===================================================================== Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Angra -- "Angels Cry"
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:03:16 -0600 (CST) From: AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TORI Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95q.980316125924.27320A-100000@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
If you can find it, look for a rare tori called Tori Stories... it's a 4 disc deal with stuff from when she used to sing in her father's church for weddings... tons of B side stuff and live performances. Also, look for Y Kant Tori Read if you like Tori *and* you were into 80s synth rock, because she was lead in that band... some of the lyrics are kind of cheasy, but as long as you dig the whole 80s synth stuff, it's really a fantastic album. There's also a rerelease of Y Kant Tori Read with her tracks from the movie Toys and a few of her other B sides.
For her normal albums, Boys for Pele is okay in varying degress... some of her most complex and beautiful songs are on that album, but so are her absolutely worst songs, so it's kind of interesting. Under the Pink and Earthquakes are both so worth having. :>
I have a lot of her rare stuff, so I might be willing to trade .. my DT collection isn't totally complete by any means...
-=AlisOn=-
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