YTSEJAM Digest 3650
Today's Topics:
1) Re: NDTC
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
2) Re: LTE gaps.
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) WTB: Dweezil Zappa "Confessions" CD
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
4) Feeling Minnesota
by AL <al@isd.net>
5) Foundations show
by erodger@fore.com
6) Hollow Years single
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
7) cdnow-album advisor
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
8) RE: YTSEJAM digest 3648
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
9) Petrucci/Patitucci
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
10) Re: LTE Gaps
by Coop42 <Coop42@aol.com>
11) Jordan Rudess
by Clark Abel <99able@alma.edu>
12) Livestock Festival
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
13) Re: Jordan Rudess
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
14) LTE on Hardradio!
by Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
15) Trade Wars
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
16) Re: NDTC
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
17) Petrucci lessons (part 1)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
18) DT at Waldrock festival
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
19) Re: Jordan Rudess
by erodger@fore.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:33:12 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: NDTC
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980317112525.479C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Paul Dyer wrote:
> Therion - Theli
Interesting mix of opera (real choirs also) with heavy metal (more
in the style of a death metal, but with no death vocals here). Worth
listening, at least. The disc is worth getting just for the first 3 tracks
and the 9th track. Really cool.
> Dream Theater - Images & Words (Just Kidding!)
A disc with damn, long boring songs with some artists trying to
show off a lot. You can hear their vocalist screaming and using a lot of
vibrato. Drop it from your list, man. Music for sissies. Get your Pearl
Jam discs and you'll be much happier, 'cause they've found the real
groove. If you want real music, get Obituary, instead.
> Cheers
> Paul D.
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: The review about "Theli" is serious.
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:40:07 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: LTE gaps. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980317113928.479D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, S. Quack wrote:
> between all the tracks there are two second gaps. two seconds of > silence, wish is ok, but NOT in 3 min warning: the music just stops for > two seconds when the track changes. ive run the CD on three > diferent players and my computer and its the same thing everywhere. > ANYBODY ELSE have this problem? i cant imagine this was > intended.
Wow. If this is true, then I think that the emotion of the song is really lost with these damn gaps.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:05:26 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WTB: Dweezil Zappa "Confessions" CD Message-ID: <v01520d00b133fafbc92c@[207.90.120.28]>
Does anybody out there have one that they'd be willing to sell, or know of a place where you could pick this Dweezil Zappa CD up for me? New or used (heck, even CDR) of this out-of-print CD would really be appreciated.
Thanks, Dan
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:12:36 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSE Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Feeling Minnesota Message-ID: <350E92E4.DB575FD3@isd.net>
I am not talking about the movie here. However, I could find some uses for Cameron Diaz. I offer my thanks again to the jammers for providing some insight on other prog bands. After acquiring LTE on Sunday, I decided to go off in search of some Fates Warning material Monday night. After arriving at the CD store, (Get this, the store name is "The Electric Fetus" in Minneapolis) I was able to locate used copies of APSoG & Parallels. For grins and giggles, I also picked up a new copy of Accident Of Birth by Bruce Dickinson. At first listen I was pleased by my purchases. Not as technical as DT, but very enjoyable none the less. So far I prefer Parallels, but I am sure APSoG will grow on me as I learn it more. Still, I did like both of them at first listen. If you like straight forward heavy metal, the Bruce Dickinson CD rocks. Fortunately in Minnesota there is a few stores that have a good music selection. I was weaned on Yes and Rush in the 70s, but in the 90s, my heart belongs to Dream Theater. They will play every note of ACOS at my funeral. (not anytime soon I hope) -- See ya, AL...
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:22:51 -0500 From: erodger@fore.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Foundations show Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980317102251.00c13b00@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
Yesterday I posted a list of $10 CDrs, which included the Foundations Forum show w/ Jordan Rudess on keyboards. I wanted to add/amend some of the info on that show.
First of all, I only have 5 songs from the show: PMU, CiaW, Lie, LSoaD, Voices. Voices actually cuts off right after the "This is not reality" spoken part, so it's more like 4.657 songs. I don't know how many songs were actually played at this show, so I'm not sure how much I am missing.
Secondly, the quality was pretty piss poor, and I didn't want to mislead anyone, so I stated it as such. Last night, I was able to improve the quality drastically, but the result is still around a B-/C+ quality. So again, don't expect FM broadcast or soundboard signal.
Lastly, since it chalked up to be 30 minutes, this show fit beautifully on the end of the Denver Awake show. The Denver show is 110 minutes, and with the Forum show tacked on to the end, it fills 2 CDs up almost perfectly. Therefore, for $20, I would recommend getting the Denver show, with the Forum show as an added bonus.
I will accept orders for the just the Forum show, if you're not interested in the Denver show, but you will simply get disc 2 from the set. This means that the last couple songs from Denver will precede the Forum show.
The Denver show is very good, A/A- FM quality.
Denver/Foundations Forum - $20 + $3 shipping Foundations Forum only - $10 + $1.50 shipping
Send order to: Eric KAI Rodger 3201 Salisbury Ct. Wexford, PA 15090
Include a note with return address, and specifically stating what you are ordering.
For a list of all $10 CDr titles, email kai@fore.com.
KAI
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:26:33 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hollow Years single Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980317102000.19870H-100000@bdmserver>
]From www.cdnow.com: Japanese version: $17.99 Japanese release including live tracks from the 1997 USA tour. Tracks: Hollow Years (Radio Edit), Hollow Years (Original Version), You Or Me (Demo Version), Way It Used To Be, Burning My Soul (Live), & Another Hand/Killing Hand (Live).
other version: $10.49 Tracks: Title (radio edit), Title (Lp version), You Or Me (demo), Way It Usta Be (non-Lp track).
I have the other version, I'm not sure 7$ is worth getting those 2 live tracks.
cdnow does have a tshirt for sale as well: 3 color photos of glasses, bow tie, & bikini top w/ band name in white & "Touring Into Infinity" in red/name in white w/ blue circle to right around b&w photos of band in red circle outlines on concentric green circles w/ "Touring Into Infinity" in red sideways, w/ "97/98" in white & blue infinity sign below.
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:34:57 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: cdnow-album advisor Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980317103116.19870I@bdmserver>
On every band page there is a link to get a list of recommendations that are similar to the band. Well for Dream Theater the album advisor recommends: Yes:Open Your Eyes, Keys To Ascension II Metallica: Load, Re-load Queensryche: HITNF Smashing Pumpkins-Melon Colie etc Rush: Test For Echo Fates: APSOG Steve Vai: Firegarden G3: live
Just thought that was interesting....
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:46:12 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3648 Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-980317154612Z-2373@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Pat wrote...
>Let's not forget the guys of Division (especially Mike) who are sometimes >on here (Mike's a frequent poster). You should be hearing more from this >up and coming prog/power metal band from Virginia. They've opened for >quite a few big name acts like Fates (twice), Savatage, I think >Malmsteen, Saxon, and others. I'm sure Mike can say who they've opened >for. I guess the new Division EP should be out soon.
The check's in the mail, Pat. :) Seriously, there are members of a fair number of "Underground" prog and power metal bands on here. Jordan from Waiting For Dawn (formerly Carpe Noctem) springs to mind, as well as Johan from Timescape - if he's still here, I haven't heard from him for a while. Not surprisingly, DT attracts a lot of musicians as fans.
And yes, the new Division EP, "Ascension To Eternity" will be available soon - the end of April is what we're hoping for. I had to get a plug in somehow... :)
Mike Division - No Jaxx shows for a month or so, but Saxon was awesome! division@aol.com or www.crosslink.net/~division > >
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:57:09 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Petrucci/Patitucci Message-ID: <199803171557.KAA13466@camel7.mindspring.com>
Hi...
About the thing I said about Petrucci being signed to Yamaha and ending his relationship with Ibanez... it was NOT a confusion with Patitucci (who never played Ibanez basses)... the "rumour", as it seems to be, started from Yamaha themselves, as far as I know. It could be wishful thinking on their part though...
NP: Madonna - Ray of Light (if you're open minded enough, that's an awesome CD)
Christian. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / \_________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do."
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:00:36 EST From: Coop42 <Coop42@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: LTE Gaps Message-ID: <a628f825.350e9e26@aol.com>
Sebastian wrote: >between all the tracks there are two second gaps. two seconds of >silence, wish is ok, but NOT in 3 min warning: the music just stops for >two seconds when the track changes. ive run the CD on three >diferent players and my computer and its the same thing everywhere. >ANYBODY ELSE have this problem? i cant imagine this was >intended
I've got the same problem with my disc. I just finished listening to it for the first time (received it today), and those gaps bother me tremendously. The flow of Three Minute Warning is practically ruined IMO, and some of the other tracks also sound as if the last second is missing. Since not a single one of the American jammers have mentioned this so far, I can only imagine that the German version is different in that respect. I was looking forward to this release for months, and now this... :-(
Take Care, Andreas Berger
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:09:03 -0800 From: Clark Abel <99able@alma.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: 99abel@alma.edu Subject: Jordan Rudess Message-ID: <350ECA4F.7F0C@alma.edu>
erodger@fore.com wrote: > > Yesterday I posted a list of $10 CDrs, which included the Foundations Forum > show w/ Jordan Rudess on keyboards. I wanted to add/amend some of the info > on that show.
I hope I don't get the FAQ treatment for this one... I keep meaning to ask, what's the story behind Jordan Rudess' audition with DT? Did he not get the job or did he decide not to take it? Was there any reason given?
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:35:19 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Livestock Festival Message-ID: <199803171635.LAA13554@camel7.mindspring.com>
Hi, any jammers going to Livestock Festival here in the Tampa, FL area (Megadeth, Sevendust, Jimmy's Chicken Shack, Creed, Kenny Wayne Shepperd, Life of Agony, Everclear (argh), Third Eye Blind (double argh) )?
If so, drop me a line.
Christian. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / \_________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do."
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:02:35 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Jordan Rudess Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980317140046.2162A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Clark Abel wrote:
> I hope I don't get the FAQ treatment for this one... I keep > meaning to ask, what's the story behind Jordan Rudess' audition with DT? > Did he not get the job or did he decide not to take it? Was there any > reason given?
It seems that he decided not to take the job, because he wasn't willing to do very long tours and such (so I was told).
BTW, how many gigs did Jordan play with Dream Theater? Only one? Three? I'd really love to have these shows, since people (Adam) told us that he is faster than Kevin Moore on the keys. I'm really curious.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:30:29 -0600 (CST) From: Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LTE on Hardradio! Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980317112908.5113A-100000@grover.eecs.uic.edu>
Dude!
I'm listening to Paradigm Shift on Hardradio via streaming MP3 right now!
Dude!
Glenn
P.S. Did I mention... DUDE!
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:45:26 -0500 From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Trade Wars Message-ID: <350EB6B6.5FD0@mtu.edu>
Hello All-
With all good/bad trader wars going on, why does'nt someone start up a good old Bahr war? We havent had one in what, a month now? (knock on wood;)
Matt
P.S. In NO way am I encouraging Bahr wars, this post was ment as humor only, so please, no one start.
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:00:51 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: NDTC Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980317115424.28223B-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Paul Dyer wrote: > > > Therion - Theli > > Interesting mix of opera (real choirs also) with heavy metal (more > in the style of a death metal, but with no death vocals here). Worth > listening, at least. The disc is worth getting just for the first 3 tracks > and the 9th track. Really cool.
It is also interesting to note that the albums before Theli do have death vocals (or so I've been told). But now they're heading in a much more unique direction. I've only heard a few tracks off of Theli (the first 3 - which are really cool) and my brother bought some sort of EP released of theirs after Theli called "A Arab Jaraq Lucid Dreaming" or something weird like that. It's got a few covers and Therion versions of some movie soundtrack one of the band members wrote along with the original soundtrack. It's probably best to start with Theli, though.
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:08:28 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Petrucci lessons (part 1) Message-ID: <01BD51D8.26B93660@Dukat.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Brian Larkin wrote :
> Last night I found two recent guitar lessons from John Petrucci at > Guitar World Online. Does anyone know where I might be able to find > the lessons he wrote for Guitar World before these two?
Part one ("Getting Ready to Get Busy") can be found at :
http://www.guitarworld.com/mainstage/lessons/artists/petrucci/9712.petrucci/9712.petrucci.shtml
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: Today
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:14:24 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT at Waldrock festival Message-ID: <01BD51D8.EB04FB80@Dukat.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Last week I wrote :
> I have just been told that Dream Theater will be performing > at the Waldrock festival on June 27th in Burgum, The Netherlands. > So far, the only other act that has been confirmed yet is Marilyn > Manson. Keep your eye on "Under A Cyber Moon" for more details.
I have just been informed (literally seconds ago) that Dummu Borgir and Savatage have been added to the bill.
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: Today
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:10:21 -0500 From: erodger@fore.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Jordan Rudess Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980317141021.00bf72d0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
>> I hope I don't get the FAQ treatment for this one... I keep >> meaning to ask, what's the story behind Jordan Rudess' audition with DT? >> Did he not get the job or did he decide not to take it? Was there any >> reason given? > > It seems that he decided not to take the job, because he wasn't >willing to do very long tours and such (so I was told).
Not exactly. Jordan passed on the DT job to play with the Dixie Dregs, and Rod Morgenstein in particular. From what I've read, he always wanted to play with Rod, so he couldn't justify passing on the opportunity.
> BTW, how many gigs did Jordan play with Dream Theater? Only one? >Three? I'd really love to have these shows, since people (Adam) told us >that he is faster than Kevin Moore on the keys. I'm really curious.
He only played one gig, the Foudations Forum weekend, 9/9/94. It also wasn't a full length set (what we are used to), but I don't know exactly how many songs they played.
On the note about Jordan's capabilities, although he might be better/faster than other DT keyboardists, you can't really tell from just this one show. Jordan does some cool stuff, but you have to take into consideration that I think he did this show with less than a week of preparation, and was actually sightreading much of the music on stage. Someone needs to confirm this, because I wasn't there. Anyway, there's no way he'd be able to showcase his enitre talents under these circumstances, so don't expect to be blown off your feet.
KAI
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