YTSEJAM Digest 3652
Today's Topics:
1) Therion etc
by q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
2) Blind Guardian
by q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
3) Re: Scholryche
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
4) Bruford and Levin coming to town
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
5) Spocks Beard/Enchant
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
6) Jordan
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
7) VH III
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
8) Re: more LTE
by the ugly truth <afn39111@afn.org>
9) Liquid Metal Experiment?
by "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
10) Petrucci Patiticci
by someone@prognosis.com
11) List of CD-r's for $10.
by Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
12) Re: Liquid Metal Experiment?
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
13) Dweezil's Zappa Confessions
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
14) Re: Spocks Beard/Enchant
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
15)
by Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
16) DT PICTURES
by Dieter Cailliau <effx@dreamt.org>
17) the show in Finland
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
18) handling Liquid guitar parts
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
19) Re: Blind Guardian
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
20) Extreme bootlegs..
by op777@mail.surffi.net
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:33:55 -0800
From: q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Therion etc
Message-ID: <3510219E.686E@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
Roger...
Thanks for the info on Therion....I'll pass it on to my friend.....
As for the DT thing......I do happen to like both Pearl Jam & Obituary
("Cause of Death" rocks!) but I also happen to enjoy some good
sarcasm.... :)
In fact I saw PJ live on Sunday....they weren't bad you know....Anyway
they were my fave band in 1991 when I was 14 or 15 years old.....good
lyrics (sometimes)
Mind you I don't like them as much as DT...of course.....
(I'll have to find an oxygen free space to stop from getting flamed
now!!)
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:38:58 -0800
From: q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Blind Guardian
Message-ID: <351022D2.3628@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
Has anyone heard the new Blind Guardian.....
Night Falls on Middle Earth (or something!)....
Is it good??
I hope so because I ordered it along with the Japanese Import
LTE.......hope they come soon....
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:41:39 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Scholryche
Message-ID: <880451db.350f2655@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-17 20:36:48 EST, you write:
<< Anyone knows what's the story about Alex Skolnick joining Queensryche????
I heard a rumor. >>
yea right
now THATS something to dream about =]
the Rock
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:51:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bruford and Levin coming to town
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980317204400.11784A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:57:56 -0500
> From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
> Subject: IRC Chat with LTE's Tony Levin!!!
>
> Bruford - Levin Upper Extremities
>
> Bill Bruford -drums, percussion and a little keyboards
> Tony Levin -basses and stick
> Chris Botti -trumpet
> David Torn -guitars and loops
>
> CONFIRMED PERFORMANCE ITINERARY EAST COAST APRIL
> 1998:
>
> April 19 Boston (Cambridge)/House of Blues/Live Internet Broadcast
All right, who has heard this, and what does it sound like. I
might be interested in checking this one out...even though I'm not much
of an instrumental/experiement type of listener.
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+
Every man, you see, is born beneath the sword Damocles,
For young and old are all alive on that next beat on which we ride,
And that beat is such a fragile thing, in both old men and youthful king,
And that beat stands all alone, you see, between us and black eternity,
And until that time, when death won't wait, let each man rage against,
his fate.-- Savatage _The Wake of Magellan_
+=====================================================================+
Jeremy Hallum Grad Student, Astronomy, Boston University
jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:06:20 -0500
From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Spocks Beard/Enchant
Message-ID: <350F3A2C.B9C4FD95@bu.edu>
I'm thinking of buying a Spocks Beard CD and an Enchant CD too. Does
anyone have any advice as to which ones I should start with. Please use
private e-mail. Thanks.
Isaac
-- "Your 15 minutes of lameness are up-- let the Klugman revolution begin" -- Zorak------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:15:45 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jordan Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980317191545.0086d810@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>This is also partly due to his perfect pitch (which is evident when he EXACTLY >duplicates stuff that JP plays on 3 Minute Warning).
Thats pretty much where I said to myself "wow, this guy is good." Just remember though, perfect pitch does not an awesome musician make. My uncle has the disease, and he was never very good at anything but picking out what notes were being played when my mom sat on the piano.
Absolute pitch sure helps though, especially in these kinds of jamming situations...But its also possible to do the note-duplication thing if you have good relative pitch. Just know what key you are in, and be able to hear the difference between the intervals that are being played.
As LTE was my first exposure to Rudess, I think he is a pretty damn talented guy. But has anyone taken a look at his webpage? He calls himself the keyboard wizard or something stupid like that. You dont see MP calling himself the drum shaaman or JP the guitar guru...I dont know, kinda struck the wrong chord for me.
Back to finals baby.
Jon
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:22:46 -0700 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: VH III Message-ID: <007701bd5225$82ebc900$1d2746cf@sir.micron.net>
Well this is the first VH album I've ever bought, as I haven't been much = of a VH fan through the years, but Gary Cherone just kicks too much butt for= me not to start liking VH now. :)
The individual songs could be stronger, but the album as a whole is very cool. EVH didn't really do much in the way of "wow he's good," but his playing is solid throughout. I respect the fact that he doesn't show off= , but I do think he needs to do a bit more with his chops. He doesn't real= ly live up to his "best guitarist ever" image, not that I ever believed that= in the first place.
It's cool that he decided to take the lead vocals on a song just like Chr= is Degarmo did on QR's latest, but the difference is that CD can actually si= ng. ;)
Alex isn't technically good, but he has a very unique sound that fits the songs perfectly.
I still think Michael isn't worthy to play in the same room with Eddie, b= ut he's solid, even if not very interesting.
Gary did a marvelous job, and his funky style greatly influenced the song= s, even beyond the vocals. I did notice that he's kinda trying too hard to sound like Sammy in places.
Get high on ether when there's no one in the house. Pretend it's the big one the moment you pass out. That's just rehearsal, but it's comforting somehow To practice dying now.
woot=99
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:53:47 -0500 (EST) From: the ugly truth <afn39111@afn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: more LTE Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980317232429.173818A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
> MY question is : How many 'Jammers think that Dimebag would > have been able to "fit in"....and what guitarists do you think > WOULD have been able to "fit in" or just plain handle LTE as > well as Petrucci did?
I can't say about Dimebag Darrell, but an answer for the second part is easy. Considering the presence of Tony Levin, the guitarist of choice is Robert Fripp. The guy plays in all sorts of projects, masterfully. The man also can improvise, and this is what I'm going to ramble on presently.
Fripp can be noisy--as in atonal--as can be seen by getting Tony Levin and him together for a third of THRaKaTTaK. Fripp can ease up, though. I hear the ProjeKCt gigs aren't incredibly unmusical. John Petrucci, however, is very very noisy--intrustive--in "Three Minute Warning."
It seems to me that where Levin and Rudess offer musical ideas, sometimes Petrucci go into a standardized blistering run which makes the other instruments almost impossible to hear. For all that I like this song, Trey Anastasio or Robert Fripp would have brought a bit more magic for me.
At the very least, JP should have been mixed a little softer in parts. Yes, he's the guitarist, but that doesn't really mean he has to be loudest.
-=- I know a monster when I see one in the mirror.
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:18:42 -0600 From: "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Liquid Metal Experiment? Message-ID: <199803180518.AAA98108@mail1y-int.prodigy.net>
When I was reading the liners for LTE, I noticed that Portnoy was possibly considering Dimebag (Diamond) Darrell as the guitarist for LTE.
MY question is : How many 'Jammers think that Dimebag would have been able to "fit in"....and what guitarists do you think WOULD have been able to "fit in" or just plain handle LTE as well as Petrucci did? The only guitarist I could think of (am my scope is kinda limited) would be Steve Vai. I'm not sure Satriani would be in the "fit in" category of my question.....
The result of LTE is what each of the four musicians brought to it. would Dimebag 'fit in' as you describe it? Sure. Would the outcome be drastically different? You bet. Anyone else playing guitar on that album would've made a substantial difference in almost every aspect musically. The greatness about it was that it was quite literally an "experiment". The experiment being bringing four talented musicians together in a studio and observing the outcome. Please don't ask me whether I prefer DD or JP's playing, as it is not relevant to the discussion! (:~})
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:40:05 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Petrucci Patiticci Message-ID: <199803180537.VAA29990@odin.ax.com>
> From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
> About the thing I said about Petrucci being signed to Yamaha and ending his > relationship with Ibanez... it was NOT a confusion with Patitucci (who never > played Ibanez basses)... the "rumour", as it seems to be, started from > Yamaha themselves, as far as I know. It could be wishful thinking on their > part though...
Yamaha would not be that irresponsible. I assumed you had just made a mistake, seeing as Ibanez has a couple NEW JPM models coming out... they wouldn't have showcased these at NAMM if Petrucci was leaving, and Petrucci wouldn't leave Ibanez on short notice (it's an endorsement... competitors won't offer millions of dollars for him, and Ibanez isn't going to be able to find a way to "piss him off" or anything). But now I'm curious... where did you hear the rumor, if it wasn't just a mix up? I'd bet my farm that the person who told you (or maybe earlier on up theline) just made this mistake. As I said, Yamaha would NOT be that careless.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:23 -0800 (PST) From: Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: List of CD-r's for $10. Message-ID: <19980318053954.DFXU27632@[166.33.99.41]>
O.K. I blew it. Someone posted a list of CD-r's for $10 and I told a friend at work but forgot who posted these. On the list was a CD by "Black and Blue" which my friend is interested in. Whoever has these please get ahold of me or repost your E-mail. Thanks Much.
Ytse on,
eD
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:03:57 EST From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Liquid Metal Experiment? Message-ID: <4d8a51b6.350f63cf@aol.com>
i would say Vai would "fit in" i don't like DD so i'm glad they didnt choose him, but i would love to see Vai play on it, or Mary Friedman, that would kick ass, maybe even the dude in Fates Warning..
the Rock
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:04:57 -0600 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dweezil's Zappa Confessions Message-ID: <199803180604.AAA54004@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
>Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:05:26 -0500 (EST) >From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: WTB: Dweezil Zappa "Confessions" CD >Message-ID: <v01520d00b133fafbc92c@[207.90.120.28]> > > > >Does anybody out there have one that they'd be willing to sell, or >know of a place where you could pick this Dweezil Zappa CD up for >me? New or used (heck, even CDR) of this out-of-print CD would >really be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Dan
Well, Im pretty sure you can get it at barko swill, the online zappa store, I saw it last time I went and it was 15 bucks plus shipping, is a very good album, Steve Lukather, Zakk Wylde, Nuno Bettencourt, Mike keneally and some others are on that album. check it out. --- Alan Estrada Adler ICQ #9267174 http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/2025 "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do your next." Monterrey, Mexico al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:09:50 +1100 From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Spocks Beard/Enchant Message-ID: <350F652E.4087117F@sydney.net>
Isaac Sabetai wrote: > I'm thinking of buying a Spocks Beard CD and an Enchant CD too. Does > anyone have any advice as to which ones I should start with.
Enchant buy all of them :)
graham
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:23:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <19980318062323.18163.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com>
Hi. I haven't read the Jam that much lately, so I don't know if this has been said bafore:
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, My Mistake wrote:
> >C'mon guys, please dont tell me you really thik that's the real >Mike...he just started telling some personal info any hard DT >fan could know...about >his wife and daughter, the munich show...this guy is a hoax. >dont let him lie to you. > Now, I think that 'My Mistake' is also Mike Portnoy, repenting for having written the previous message. I think he must have received thousands of messages by now, so he created another address to 'try' to stop it. I don't think he'll be successful. I am already sending my 50 messages per day with the message: "When are you coming to Australia?" :) BP No Signature!
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:52:00 +0100 From: Dieter Cailliau <effx@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT PICTURES Message-ID: <350F7D20.41C67EA6@dreamt.org>
hey ytsejammers,
I have taken some great pictures of Dream Theaters concert in Belgium (february 26). They are available at http://www.kulak.ac.be/~dcaillia/ You caan see: Mike drumming with someone in the audience, Mike singing Anna Lee (and saying 'where the fuck is James??'), and others... Check out the songs there too. 'Nomen Nescio' plays progressive metal and sounds very powerfull. If you like Dream Theaater, i think you'll like Nomen Nescio too!
bye! -- effX = Dieter Cailliau email: effX@dreamt.org http://www.kulak.ac.be/~dcaillia/
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:39:13 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the show in Finland Message-ID: <199803180840.KAA15109@cch.estcard.ee>
> From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> > Did any of you finnish jammers tape the DT show in Finland?If anyone > has it, I'd REALLY like to buy a copy of it.
I've been promised to get a copy.
What I really wanna know is ... did anybody videotape the show? I've got tons of interested people, most of whom couldn't attend to the gig.
So, dear Finns, speak up. :-)
Raitz
P.S. Yes, I'm back again. For f^hgood.
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:43:21 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: handling Liquid guitar parts Message-ID: <199803180844.KAA15162@cch.estcard.ee>
> have been able to "fit in"....and what guitarists do you think > WOULD have been able to "fit in" or just plain handle LTE as > well as Petrucci did?
Get Richie Kotzen, play Vai and Dream Theater to him. Would work, methinks.
Raitz
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Date: 18 Mar 1998 09:55:43 +0100 From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Blind Guardian Message-ID: <tkun2eojs34.fsf@zussun1.desy.de>
Hi all,
Paul> Has anyone heard the new Blind Guardian.....
Ah yes, something in my area of expertise *evil grin*.
Paul> Night Falls on Middle Earth (or something!)....
The new CD is called _Nightfall in Middle-Earth_ and it is a concept disc based on the _Silmarillion_ by Tolkien. It is going to be released in Germany on April 29th (and maybe a little earlier in Japan although I am not sure about this yet).
Paul> Is it good??
Hey it is Blind Guardian, how couldn't it be good *grin*? Ok, maybe I am a bit biased since I do their homepage. But if you want to listen to some sound samples from the new CD check out the news section of the Official Blind Guardian Homepage at:
I don't think you will be disappointed in the songs. Although don't go in thinking they are like DT. BG is a power metal band NOT a prog-metal band. I like to call BG Elf-Metal myself *grin*.
Hope this helps a bit. Talk to you all later.
Jason
-- Jason T. Breitweg Jason.Breitweg@desy.de http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:58:12 +0200 From: op777@mail.surffi.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Extreme bootlegs.. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980318105812.00695db8@mail.surffi.net>
I am looking for some bootlegs by Extreme from III sides or Waiting for punchline tours, CD-R copies will do fine..
mail me, and we'll think of a payment method
op777
.:.:.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. . ... . .. ..gRRo00oovin' up all day long,YEH! - jUkE
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