YTSEJAM digest 3655

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Date: Thu Mar 19 1998 - 00:45:32 EST

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: Ritchie Kotzen
     by T Tubbiola <TTubbiola@aol.com>
      2) B.L.U.E.
     by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
      3) Chris Collins
     by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
      4) Re: Bootlegfest
     by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
      5) re: Genesis
     by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
      6) Re: Van Cherone/NDTC & CD-R
     by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
      7) Wakka wakka wakka
     by someone@prognosis.com
      8) Kiss The Stone
     by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
      9) Re: Van Cherone/NDTC
     by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
     10) Re: DT CD next year!!
     by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
     11) STUFF
     by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
     12) Lido
     by "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
     13) $
     by "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
     14) Houston Keyboardist Wanted and Helstar
     by "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
     15) CDRs 4x and stuff
     by Michael and Melissa Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
     16) Blind Guardian
     by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:11:03 EST
    From: T Tubbiola <TTubbiola@aol.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Ritchie Kotzen
    Message-ID: <80618f0.35106299@aol.com>

    The CD is already released. It's called the Kotzen Howe Project. I don't have
    it with me but if anybody needs the label or catalog number just e-mail me
    privately.

    btw: THIS CD KICKS SOME MAJOR ASS!!!

    Tom Tubbiola

    >>Subject: Sweeping Blues
    >>Does anyone know what happenned to Ritchie Kotzen? after he split from
    >>Poison, he's gone MIA..... (or at least I haven't seen a new album from
    >>him.... though the Poison one ROCKED!) He's one of my fav players..... I'm
    >>trying to locate his stuff...... can anyone help me here? even HMV doesn't
    >>bring in much of his stuff..... (by the way, I'm NOT from the states.....
    >>I'm from Singapore...... thks)
    >Well, the last rumor I heard about Richie was about a couple months ago and
    >I was told that Richie and Greg Howe are planning to release another album
    >together (the First one was TILT in 1995, I suppose).
    >
    >==========================================================
    >The maintainer of the YtseJamCD Project site:
    >http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/Ytze
    >mirror: http://tripod.members.com/~Pete339
    >Home: http://www.web4free.com/Bass_p
    >IRC: Hammman ICQ:425-8962
    >===========================================================

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:15:08 -0500
    From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: B.L.U.E.
    Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980318191508.0073c194@pop.wam.umd.edu>

    The addy of the Bruford-Levin Upper Extremeties CD page:

    http://www.papabear.com/blue.html

    No sound samples, but it gives one the idea that it's not Frippesque
    soundscapes and whatnot.

    Brian "Original Sin" Henderson

    ===========================
    Name:
     W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
    Contact:
     hender@wam.umd.edu
    ROBOT-CENTRAL:
     http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
    ===========================

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:42:34 -0500 (EST)
    From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
    To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Chris Collins
    Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980318194155.555775070B-100000@drew.edu>

    Just got this info from a friend. - Brandon
    ---------- Forwarded message ----------

    I just read a strange bit of news. This guitarist from Virgin Steele (one
    of my favorites you'll recall) who was with them until '84 or so --
    granted VS is better now than ever without him, but he's still great. His
    name is Jack Starr ... anyway, last summer he was working with none
    other than Chris Collins... bet you never thought he'd turn up again!

    Phil

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:28:14 -0300 (EST)
    From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Bootlegfest
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980318222440.14747A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>

    On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Rick Audet wrote:

    [My comments about KTS back in business deleted]
    > Are you sure it's the same Kiss The Stone located in Italy that was shut
    > down almost a year ago ? I understand another company that "borrowed"
    > the name KTS has also started making bootlegs... Dream Theater "Tap the
    > Rockies" for instance.

            No, it seems to be very same Kiss The Stone Records from Italy (of
    course, I can't guarantee, but hey, who can if they're behind a
    computer?). If you want to check that, just go to <www.kissthestone.com>.

            And they have all the Dream Theater bootlegs in stock ("Mind
    Control", "Dream Out Loud" and "Lords of Sound").

    > Rick Audet

            Hope you find this hint useful, Roger...

    P.S.: They have lowered their prices too: each CD costs US$17.

    --
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito
      Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
       Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:47:36 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: daus@ufl.edu Subject: re: Genesis Message-ID: <19980319014736.23007.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>

    Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu> wrote:

    >I have heard in the past that there have been a few >prog-heads >reccommending early Genesis to add to any prog CD >collection. What = >albums by Genesis would anybody reccomend as "must >have" albums?

    Well, you never forget your first...

    My first Genesis album was "Duke". To me it's a classic. When I first heard Images and Words, it reminded me of Duke. On Duke, they reprise musical ideas in different songs. Simliar to what DT does. My first thought was that these guys in DT must have been fans of Genesis (Duke) also. This was confirmed when DT played a song from Duke on ACoS.

    Unfortunately, over time, many of the songs from Duke became big hits, long after release. (OK, this was good for Genesis). So if you listen to this disc now, you will already be familiar with many of the songs, and consider them "pop" (maybe even cheese). Before radio discovered Genesis/Duke, it was more like DT; popular with the fans, ignored by the masses.

    hasta, BH

    == Brian Hansen Computer Consultant

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:58:15 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Van Cherone/NDTC & CD-R Message-ID: <199803190158.UAA21718@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>

    > From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> > Subject: Van Cherone/NDTC > > I've heard a lot of people say Gary is trying too much to sound > like Sammy. I don't think this is the case. I think he just > naturally sounds similar to Sammy. He sounds like Gary to me, but > then I have all the Extreme CDs. If you are unfamiliar with Extreme, > you might think he sounds like Sammy. In fact I was playing some > Extreme on Monday in anticipation of VHIII, and more than one person > said "Hey, is that Sammy Hagar?" I certainly don't think GC was > trying to sound like SH when he was in Extreme. Also has it > occurred to anyone that VH might have picked him BECAUSE he sounds > like SH? I mean, they needed someone to sing the Van Hagar stuff as > well. And is sounding like SH a BAD thing? I like his sound.

    I would agree here. First off, I think that Cherone naturally sounds like Sammy, and that that must have been part of the reason why they picked him. I personally liked Sammy's voice much better than DLR's... The new CD is interesting... will take some getting used to, and I think that it also will grow on me... first time I listened to it, I wasn't too sure... second listen, I liked it a little more... going to give it a 3rd listen tonight...

    > ------------------------------ > > From: Chris Livingstone <chris.livingstone@wolfson.co.uk> > Subject: Re: cd-r home stereo

    > It may sound complicated , but it is actually very easy to use a > CD-R for your computer, especially if you get the right software,

    I agree here... mine came w/ Easy-CD Pro, and I just upgraded to Easy CD-Creator, and it is fairly easy to use, once you get used to it. Also, from what I hear, you need to buy special discs to use for a home stereo CD-R, which are much more expensive (~$15 compared to $0-$2 for blank computer CD-Rs (yes, that is free - $2)). Also, I am pretty sure that you will only be able to make the single dub of a CD, and not copy a copy, w/o soem trickery (like forcing the CD-R door open and replacing the blank before the writer starts writing), or something to that effect... all in all, I think you get a much better product w/ a computer based CD-R...

    -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:05:19 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Wakka wakka wakka Message-ID: <199803190202.SAA11388@odin.ax.com>

    > From: "LionelWong" <precious@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> > Subject: Sweeping Blues > > Does anyone know what happenned to Ritchie Kotzen? after he split from > Poison, he's gone MIA..... (or at least I haven't seen a new album from > him.... though the Poison one ROCKED!) He's one of my fav players..... I'm > trying to locate his stuff...... can anyone help me here?

    Kotzen has had several albums released. On Shrapnel, he has at least 6 available (http://www.shrapnelrecords.com) and I know there's between 1-3 Japanese discs, all of which are nothing like his old shred self. The Shrapnel discs are all great (2 of them are collaborations with Greg Howe)

    > SUPER THANKS to KorgX3! (the Fast Track I works very well, and is great for > my kind of playing!!!!!! although I dunno why U said it was wimpy..... oh > well, to each his own....)

    Because he has his Fast Track in middle position. There are no balls to be had in that position.

    > From: Htdmhd <Htdmhd@aol.com>

    > Kelly Gray... joining Qryche???? EEEK! The same guy who produced > Dokken's "Shadowlife" & the new Brother Cane?? Change this to > "Suckryche". I'm not knocking the aforementioned groups because I like > both, but I hope it doesn't happen.

    So you heard a couple albums he produced... and you liked them... and you decide that he's not good enough to join QR? Where's the logic I'm missing? I think you left out the part about hearing him play, and not liking it, right? I mean... you're not basing this on absolutely NOTHING, are you?

    "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller

    Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:09:39 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List), fates@tier.net (Fates Warning) Subject: Kiss The Stone Message-ID: <199803190209.VAA21776@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>

    Well, as someone mentioned, KTS appears to be back, now in Singapore... just checked through a whois. They say that they will do mail order from their website, http://www.kissthestone.com/ and it looks like they have the same old DT CDs listed, at $17/disc (so Lords of Sound & Mind Control are $17.) They have a coming soon section, which as of now, has nothing... should be interesting... now, who wants to be the first to order from them? :) (already have all of their DT CDs, so none that I need to order... :) Here is their Whois record:

    Multi Music Pte Ltd (KISSTHESTONE-DOM) 8 Genting Lane #06-07/08 Everich Building, 339566 SINGAPORE

    Domain Name: KISSTHESTONE.COM

    Administrative Contact: Eddie Teo (ET34-ORG) eddieteo@LOTS.COM.SG +65-298-8634 Fax- 65-298-1324 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Ong Kian Soon (OKS-ORG) shun@LOTS.COM.SG +65-298-8634 Fax- 65-298-1324 Billing Contact: Ong Kian Soon (OKS-ORG) shun@LOTS.COM.SG +65-298-8634 Fax- 65-298-1324

    Record last updated on 04-Feb-98. Record created on 04-Feb-98. Database last updated on 18-Mar-98 04:50:19 EST.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    HOME.LOTS.COM.SG 203.120.8.8 HOME2.LOTS.COM.SG 203.120.8.108

    The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY non-military Domains and POC's. Other associated whois servers: American Registry for Internet Numbers whois server - whois.arin.net European IP Address Allocations whois server - whois.ripe.net Asia Pacific IP Address Allocations whois server - whois.apnic.net US Military whois server - whois.nic.mil

    -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:56:42 -0700 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Van Cherone/NDTC Message-ID: <01bd52da$43824180$150d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>

    >CDs. If you are unfamiliar with Extreme, you might think he sounds like >Sammy. In fact I was playing some Extreme on Monday in anticipation >of VHIII, and more than one person said "Hey, is that Sammy Hagar?" >I certainly don't think GC was trying to sound like SH when he was in

    heheh. That's not as bad as a guy I work with who thinks every singer on every album I have is Bruce Dickinson. heheh. He's an old IM fan.

    I bought VH3 today and I have to say, I only made it halfway through and I loved every minute of it. IMO, Gary is trying to sound like Sammy, but that'll probably not be the case at the concerts. I don't think Gary can keep up the gravel-throat vocals that long without smoking three pack of cigs a day (which he probably does anyway). But for the most part, it still sounds like Gary to me. A little more of the Extreme funk mixed in with a classic VH sound. It really flows with my lobster meal.

    So what's the general appeal to the masses anyway? The guy at the record store said that the general consensus around where I live was about 95% shit. But then, refer to the recent Dave Mustaine statement for a clarification on that.

    --KorgX3 is a piece of shit with two eyes.

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:09:04 -0700 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT CD next year!! Message-ID: <01bd52db$fe0fb680$150d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>

    >new ideas AND THAT METROPOLIS part II WILL BE ON THAT NEW >ALBUM!!! So lets hope his words come out and there will be no change

    You know, I hate to be the bubble burster and all, but I pray that they either trim this sucker alot, make the whole album a Met II concept, or scrap it for an EP. For one, I like long songs, but the average person (and I think DT wants average people to like them, too) detests them. I have friends who won't even try listening to them when I mention 9 minute songs. People on average think in time frames. If the song lasts longer than it takes them to take a shit, then they don't have time to listen to it. I take long shits (much to the chagrin of my boss) so I can handle long songs. Most people are in a big rush, run in, pinch it off halfway, and run out without washing their hands. That's why Green Day and radio songs are so popular. They're short and basic and dirty. Therefore people who listen to Dream Theater and similar bands are people who feel they have time to listen to long songs. In circumspect, people who feel they have free time are either a)lazy, b)procrastinators, or c)in some mental detention center. So....

    We're are lazy clean people who have too much free time and need to pinch our turds, or some of us talk to flagpoles and somehow got internet access.

    And that's why DT needs to trim Metropolis II. --KorgX3

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:23:21 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: Ytse Jam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: STUFF Message-ID: <35109DB9.4D54ACAE@caribe.net>

    Hey.. i just got the Ibanez 98' catalog.. and i scanned 2 pics from it.. one is the introductory page for the guitar part of the catalog.. featuring our own JP! (btw he looks like a fancy rock star.. complete with see thru shirt and little square "cool" sunglasses" and the other is his picture with the new JPm4 (with that ugly ass new colors which i hate )

    http://netdial.caribe.net/~calfaro/giganticposerpetrucci.JPG http://netdial.caribe.net/~calfaro/petrubicep.JPG

    the filenames were an inside joke with my GF :)

    In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:31:16 -0600 From: "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lido Message-ID: <199803190331.WAA94468@mail1y-int.prodigy.net>

    I've not heard it mentioned here before, so I gotta ask. Does anyone own or ever heard the "Lido Beach Party" boot? It was recorded in Long Island on 06/13/95. It's a double-cd and has a definite "we're on home terf" laid-back quality to it. (I do not mean tempo-wise) So in that respect I think it's a cool listen.

    Sound-wise, IMO, it kinda reeks. I gotta be honest, this is the first and only boot I've ever bought. So I really have nothing to compare it to.

    It's also gotta be embarassing for Derek that this night was etched in time on a recording, as he fumbled horribly on a couple tracks. It makes me want to join in on the argument-"why did they pick Derek?!?!"

    Is anyone else familiar with these discs?

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:38:32 -0600 From: "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: $ Message-ID: <199803190338.WAA75084@mail1y-int.prodigy.net>

    !!!!!!!

    My tax refund's here! YAY!!

    Wait.

    Sssshhhhh!!!

    Do you hear that? Sounds like...

    It sounds like a guitar melodramatically calling out my name. I better go help the poor thing out tomorrow.

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:22:47 PST From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Houston Keyboardist Wanted and Helstar Message-ID: <19980319052248.18698.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Hey Jammers,

    I guess Damon's wish for keyboardist recognition has come true because the ytsejam is becoming a message board for bands in search of keyboardists. I'm a drummer (hi Mike), and I just joined a local band in Houston that needs a keyboardist. Our music is hard rock, technical and progessive at times, but sometimes more basic 4/4 stuff. The former bassist for Helstar, Jerry Abarca, is in it -- right now anyway. He's a busy guy, and he's not 100% sure he can commit to the band, but we'll see.

    One reason Jerry's busy: he does occasional reunion shows w/ Helstar, and one is this Friday night (3/20) at Cardi's in Houston. Email me for more details. And again, if you're a Houston area keyboardist or know one, please let me know.

    Ken McWatters Houston, TX kmcwatters@hotmail.com http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:26:46 -0700 From: Michael and Melissa Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CDRs 4x and stuff Message-ID: <3510AC96.6A1D@goodnet.com>

    I'll be adding a link to my page shortly so people can find out more about these. You can burn 4x CDRs reliably even on a P-100 with IDE hard drives and an ISA SCSI card... I've done it for years. It's just a matter of making sure you turn off screen savers, virus protection, and so forth, so that your system runs as unencumbered as possible.

    If you were to get into CDR, the best thing to do is buy your reader and writer at the same time so that they match. This is important because programs like DirectCD can use matching hardware to do some pretty intense writing operations, such as bit-for-bit copies on the Plextor rig even of PSX discs that leave the error bits intact and can be played on unmodified consoles!

    More info will follow, but the quick and easy of it, if you want to get into burning CDs, is to get:

    1. An Adaptec UW-2940 PCI SCSI card or on-board PCI bus-mastering SCSI. Technically you could get away without this... I still only use ISA SCSI in both machines... but better to do it right from the get go if you possibly can.

    2. One of the following matched sets of units (all devices SCSI): a. PlexWriter 4x12 CDR and Plextor Multiread 12/20 CDROM. b. Teac CDR55S 4x12 CDR and Teac 516S 16x or 556S 32X CDROM. c. Yamaha 4x6 CDR and Sony CDU76S 4x CDROM.

    Option C is for the budget-minded. They are different brands, true, but they match. Trust me. At least, DirectCD seems to think so, as much as it sees A and B as matches. Yamaha must use Sony BIOS or something like that. Option A is by far the best. With Plextor as your rig, there's nothing you can't burn. You can even burn protected stuff and the drives just ignore all the tricks and traps. Alas, Option A will run you around $700. Wish I could afford it.

    3. At least a P100, but P200MMX boxed are $140, so there's no real reason not to just upgrade.

    4. Do not, so long as you live, buy a burner from Hewlett Packard. Half the traffic in comp.publish.cdrom.hardware every day is complaints about the HP 7xxx line. The other half are complaints about JVC, Philips, and Ricoh drives, though the Ricoh complaints have subsided somewhat now that their drives seem to have improved.

    Happy burning!!

    -- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/

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    Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:16:50 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Blind Guardian Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980319001649.00742b44@maila.wm.edu>

    >Hey it is Blind Guardian, how couldn't it be good *grin*? Ok, maybe I >am a bit biased since I do their homepage. But if you want to listen >to some sound samples from the new CD check out the news section of >the Official Blind Guardian Homepage at:

    > http://www.blind-guardian.com

    >I don't think you will be disappointed in the songs.

    >Jason T. Breitweg >Jason.Breitweg@desy.de

    God bless you, Jason!! I actually had some time to do some netsurfing today, and checked out the site (gotta give you props for the great site, too, my friend) and downloaded all the mp3 samples that you have there. Can you say, I MUST OWN THIS CD!!! It's the first I've heard from Blind Guardian, and I will not rest until I have it in my grubby hands!! This is some seriously good shit. I can't type anymore, I am just freaking out over here... lend me a helping hand, get me Nightfall on Middle Earth :)

    Alex

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