YTSEJAM Digest 3666
Today's Topics:
1) Terry Bozzio, etc.
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
2) Superior (NDTC)
by q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
3) Trading CDs
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
4) Munch this
by someone@prognosis.com
5) Re: The Spirit of Radio...
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
6) Interesting
by someone@prognosis.com
7) Joe Satriani
by Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
8) re: Martian Love Secrets
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
9) Ytse-Age
by Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
10) Altura Alternative?? Anyone know?
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
11) LTE competition winner....
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
12) DT-show in Erlangen
by Andreas Griessing <AGRIESS@nf.fh-nuernberg.de>
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:06:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Terry Bozzio, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.980322220042.1983A-100000@rossby>
It was mentioned in "assorted munchies" that:
snip...
1. Terry Bozzio. I've heard this guy mentioned from time to time, but
never in
comparison with other drummers. (Before you say "that's because drummers
are
more open-minded and complacent than guitarists" let me say MARK ZONDER
VERSUS
MIKE PORTNOY, RING ANY BELLS??) I have Vai's "Sex & Religion" but I've
never
heard much else by or about Bozzio, least of all in discussions about
popular
musicians. Most of the time it's like Bozzio is in a class by himself or
something. I'd like to know what the drummers on this list think of Terry
Bozzio and where (if at all) he fits in with the
Weckl/Peart/Zonder/Portnoy
heirarchy of skilled progressive metal drummers, if he can be considered
progressive. BTW, does he really do four beats at once with each limb
doing
separate tempos?
end snip....
I'm a drummer, and I need to find out more about Bozzio. He's pretty
incredible on Sex and Religion, but I also don't have any other CDs of
his. I need to get his project CD he made recently with Tony Levin and
one other I think.
I'd say that he's right up there among the elite mentioned above. Boy,
if I had to rank those drummers above, I'd have a terrible time!
I think Weckl can play the most fluid and natural sounding, with a
tremendous feel for the music. Portnoy is the technical monster, playing
around with syncopation the most, IMO. Bozzio is just plain fast and
swift. He also has a tremendous fluid feel, given the speed he plays
at. Zonder gets better and better on each successive CD of Fates. I
think his best playing yet is on APSoG. Zonder can deliver some feats of
coordination that humans aren't meant to be able to play!!
Peart.....Well, what can I say? He's a legend and set the pace for all
the above drummers (except for maybe Weckl-- I don't know much about his
influences....).
-Jon
jcase@rossby.ou.edu
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:16:03 -0800
From: q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Superior (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3516DF23.6917@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
I have heard a lot about superior in the last week or so on the jam....
Are they very heavy? (comparisons?)
What is the best album to start with?
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:13:39 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Trading CDs
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980323011116.23927A-100000@jaca>
Hi there, people.
I was looking at my collection of CDs the other day and
realized that there are some discs here which I'm not
interested in anymore and I thought that I might trade them
for something else. I'm getting more and more into 70's prog.
Well, without further ado, here is the small list of CDs
which I don't want anymore (they're the CDs themselves, not
CD-R copies):
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Trading the following:
Pantera - Cowboys from Hell
Amorphis - Tales from Thousand Lakes (probably sold out, according to CD NOW)
Amorphis - My Kantele EP
Amorphis - Dark Winter Day EP
Sepultura - Roots
Sepultura - Chaos A.D., brazilian edition with bonus ("Policia")
Iron Maiden - The Singles (bootleg CD)
Die Krupps - Tribute to Metallica
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
And here is the list of CDs which I'd like to get. Please
note that I'm not restricted to these. So, if you want
anything from my small list, just offer me something and we
can arrange a trade from that.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Dream Theater - 1st International Fan Club CD
Dream Theater - 2nd International Fan Club CD
Dream Theater - FII japanese import w/ bonus CD
Dream Theater - Awake japanese import w/ bonus CD
Yes - Fragile, Relayer, Yessongs, 90125
Kansas - Leftoverture, Point of Know Return
Dark Tranquillity - anything
Katatonia - Brave Murder Day (or anything w/ Opeth's vocalist)
Emperor - Anthems at the Welkin of Dusk (or something like that)
Jethro Tull - Aqualung
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery, Trilogy, Tarkus
Gentle Giant - Octopus, Free Hand, In a Glass House, The Power & the Glory
Camel - A Live Record, The Snow Goose, Harbor of Tears, Nude, Dust and Dreams
Univers Zero - Heresie, Ceux (or something like that)
Ozric Tentacles - Erpland, Live Underlusky
Rick Wakeman - Six Wives of Henry VIII
Steve Morse - Coast to Coast
Discipline - Unfolded Like Staircase
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
Rudess & Morgenstein - Rudess & Morgenstein Project
McLaughlin, de Lucia & Di Meola - Friday Night in San Francisco
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Of course, if you want some of the rarest CDs I have (such as
the Iron Maiden bootleg -- that's the real thing, not a
copy), I'd like to get some rare stuff too. Just make your
offer and we'll see. I'll be as fair and reasonable as I can.
All CDs are in mint condition.
If you have some of the stuff that I want and would like to
get some bootlegs on CD-R from my boot list, we can arrange a
trade also (I'm getting some rare things now and will update
my list again soon).
That's it.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:03:56 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Munch this Message-ID: <199803230502.XAA27723@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com> > Subject: Assorted Munchies > > 1. Terry Bozzio. I've heard this guy mentioned from time to time, but never in > comparison with other drummers.
Bozzio is in his own pinnacle of drumming. A lot of players take things from his style and incorporate it into their own music. He's truly an amazing musician. Sex and Religion, IMO is not a good scope to judge his playing by.
> Bozzio and where (if at all) he fits in with the Weckl/Peart/Zonder/Portnoy > heirarchy of skilled progressive metal drummers, if he can be considered > progressive.
When did Weckl become a progressive drummer? He's always been a jazz cat... reaching maybe as far as easy jazz (the elevator music type stuff)... but I have NEVER heard him play on a prog metal recording. Bozzio is IMO more technically proficcient than Peart, Portnoy, or Zonder, but it comes down to preference when you say who's actually better. For my money, they're all runner ups to Sean Reinert of Cynic fame.
> BTW, does he really do four beats at once with each limb doing > separate tempos?
He can do some twisted shit. Really talented with polyrhythms and dynamics. Definitely one of my own favorite drummers.
> From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> > Subject: Re: Assorted Munchies
> yea i've seen the lessons they are great, i'm very glad he didnt use tabs like > crazy like most guitarists do. tabs have their uses, but i think that tab is > the fall of the guitar as a musical instrument, too many people don't bother > learning anything about musical notation just because they can have > something tell them where to put their fingers on the guitar.
This is because Tab is more efficient for guitar playing. On most (if not all) non string instruments the notes appear only once on the instrument. On the guitar, one can hit the same note in numerous positions. The most effiecient notation I've seen is in the Hedges transcription book by John Stropes (www.stropes.com I think). He uses the flags and ties from standard notation integrated with tablature, and also includes right/left hand notes (because Hedges plays guitar like a piano at times) similar to the treble/bass clef. Standard tablature sucks for one reason: It doesn't provide a solid translation of note values. Standard notation sucks because it doesn't give you enough details about what position to play in. If you haven't come across situations where these become relevant enough to make you wish you had one over the other, let me try to offer a couple scenarios. Assume you have a piece of tab from a song you've never heard, but have to learn. How are you going to get the rhythm right? You can only hope to interpret the spaces between the numbers correctly. You can't learn most complicated tablatures without the music to refer to. Assume you have the notation for a Ron Thal lick. You can learn the notes, but how the hell are you going to make it sound right? It requires you to play on wound strings at some times, and non wound at others... requires abnormal fingerings to play licks successfully, and may even require you to tap with a thimble on frets that don't exist on any guitar. That's my case as to why the elitist attitude that "tab ruins the guitar's musicality" is unfounded. It's also, incidentally my case as to why the argument that "one doesn't need to read music" is ignorance.
Did anyone check out Rupp's samples? I heard from only one jammer (who agreed with me, and even went so far as to try and slow it down to correct the pitch and speed). Let's get a verdict here. The URL is: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025/
Hasta!
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:05:28 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: The Spirit of Radio... Message-ID: <3515ED98.5DF7@pacbell.net>
Christopher R. Merlo wrote: > > Hey, folks. I thought you'd all be interested in this week's playlist from my > radio show, The Spirit of Radio. So, without further ado... > > Enchant The Thirst A Blueprint of the World > Asia Only Time Will Tell s/t > ELP Fanfare... Works Vol. I > Def Leppard Photograph Pyromania > Tesla Little Suzi Mechanical Resonance > Fates Warning Eye To Eye Parallels > Van Halen Mean Street Fair Warning > Liquid Tension Exp. Paradigm Shift s/t > Rush Manhattan Project Power Windows > Yes Going For The One KTA 2 > Spock's Beard June The Kindness of Strangers > > Comments and requests (particularly if you live in or near Williamsburg, VA) > are welcomed and appreciated. And sometime soon (college powers-at-large > willing), we'll be bitcasting with RealAudio, so you can hear all this neat > stuff, even if you don't live in Williamsburg. > D....you know I have always loved you babe...but now after playing my fave's I love you even more. It's always a pleasure jumping into the deep end with you babe!
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"Fly where your dreams go...." - Crystalline Dream, Shadow Gallery
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:22:46 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Interesting Message-ID: <199803230519.XAA27980@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
Hey yall....
Did you know that theatrical musicals can be interesting, entertaining, and downright neet-o? I saw Rent today, and was expecting to suffer the whole way through... damn, was I suprised. Great story, AWESOME music (the guitarist in the band was a shredder with a really cool tone!) and an interesting new experience for da Madsman. I HIGHLY recommend it.
The real purpose for my post is to relate some comments I heard in an interview with some composer by the name of Adler (Joseph Adler, maybe?)
Interviewer: When you write music, do you write it for a particular audience or for everyone? Adler: Not for someone or for everyone, but for ANYONE.
He went on to explain things that this list suffers from... people imposing their views of good and bad (music) upon others, etc. He basically said that he doesn't expect everyone to like his music... what he intends to do is to shake up those who are willing to honestly and openly listen. He mentioned that sometimes the worst thing, musically, is when the music becomes so memorized to the listener, that he or she hums along. He claimed that this showed that they've become less moved by the piece, and weren't "listening" anymore to that composition. Another thing that came up was that he said the goal of music is not to entertain, or to bring pleasure. He said if you get pleasure by listening to a composition, that's "nice" but what's important is that you feel something (emotionally) from the music... that it communicates to you. I wish I had recorded the interview... there was a LOT of fascinating discussion, and I bet that that the musicians on this list (myself humbly included) could learn from this man's insights.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:49:07 EST From: Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Joe Satriani Message-ID: <a63704c5.3515f7d5@aol.com>
Satriani. Satch. The Silver Surfer. Kermit. JOE COOL. 3/21/98.
Highlights:
- Watching the aftermaths of Joe flinging picks into the crowd. I think Joe sprayed his picks with a nerve toxin that he himself was immune to, because everyone who came close to making contact with a pick in mid-air would instantly fall to the ground with their arms and legs writhing around in a strange epilepsy-like series of convulsions. Sometimes they appeared to be clawing each other to death like hungry jackals as the pick disappeared into the whirling void of limbs. Anyway, Joe was levelling entire sections of the 9:30 Club by doing this. I think he actually enjoyed the chaos he was creating.
- "Always With Me, Always With You." *sigh*
- Following the airborne path of the Caveman Pick, which turned all its graspers into Neanderthals who hunched down in a large circle grunting incomprehensible chants to each other while staring at the floor. One of them held a lit lighter, as if discovering fire for the first time. It was a very anthropological moment. The darkest shadow a light source casts is the one on the other side of the object holding the light. Fireboy forgot this basic Cubscout camping rule and couldn't see that the pick was lying just beneath his fist, in the darkest spot on the floor. Gentleman that I am, I promptly scooped it up like a hawk scoops a fleeing mouse; without mercy.
- The guy screaming at Joe that he shaved his head and Joe demanding that a spotlight be placed on the guy's shiny cranium. Joe: "Now that's what I call a haircut!" Joe started introducing the next song and the guy kept screaming about his freshly-shaven head. I thought he was gonna leap out of the crowd and start ramming into Joe or something.
- Stu Hamm deciding not to put the goddamn Peanuts theme song in his bass solo for once in his career.
- The crowd-jumping imp in the jester's cap who would bolt forward every time a group of people collapsed from one of Joe's Deadly Picks. This guy went from the center of the room to standing right next to me at the front of the stage through strategic location-changes every time the crowd's attention was diverted.
Lowlights:
- Standing outside in the rain (which soon became snow) for 1.5 hours before the show. I mean I WAS within arm's reach of Joe for the entire show, but both of my feet fell asleep!! That wasn't cool!! :) I couldn't feel my ankles or toes or anything!! In fact, I hadn't felt so disoriented since... since... BIRCH HILL!!!
- Getting hit in the left eye with one of Joe's flying picks, reeling from the sting, and opening my eye to see a small woman to my left gleefully grabbing the pick from the floor and placing it inside her jacket. I guess the moral would have to be "don't blink or you'll miss it" or some other annoying eye-popping lesson. Annoying as it is, repeating that moral like a mantra in my head eventually made me stop thinking about taking that woman's eye home with me...
- Joe staying completely away from his self-titled album.
- Joe's tone. One of my least favorite ever. But I guess that's part of what makes him cool. I hated his medium of expression, but I LOVED the content of his message. :)
- The show ending after a mere hour and twenty minutes. *sob*
The Derek Trucks band (opening act) was great, the same way Big Wreck was great. If you hated Big Wreck because of something, you'll find a reason to hate the Derek Trucks band. It was disheartening when I realized that the most limited, closed, riff-repeating musician on the stage was the member of the band whom the band was named after. And I found it strange that no one made fun of him for using a slide for vibrato, whereas Steve Vai can't grab his whammy bar without people holding their noses like something really stinky just entered the room. Hopefully one day critical guitarists will define their standards of "cheating" and explain to me the differences between a whammy bar and a slide, and how one's advantages are more "noble" or "real" than the other's.
I think at the Malmsteen show next week I'm just gonna bring a shitload of the cheapest picks I can find and toss and handful over my shoulder every time Yngwie tosses a pick into the crowd. No, better, bring an assortment in different colors. That way NO ONE will know which one's the REAL thrown pick! That's right, keep running your hands across the floor! Is it the blue one? The pink one? That red one over there that looks like a sharkfin?? Maybe I'll punch small holes in the picks and tie them to my fingers with fishing line, throw them into the air, whirl them around as if they're getting thrown from the stage and YANK 'EM BACK DOWN!! BEEFCAAAAKE!!!!
Image is nothing. Speed is everything. Obey your speed.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:19:05 -0500 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: Martian Love Secrets Message-ID: <3515FED8.82ADA70B@bu.edu>
> 3. www.vai.com. There are guitar lessons there now. What I want everyone to > pay attention to is how much Vai gets across without tablature or notation. > This is a man who can explain things with such clarity that you can learn > about the guitar and its potential sounds without seeing any techniques > written down on paper. I think there are one or two tablatures in that "from > 1985" section, but I found it very refreshing that someone could actually > explain so much about physical applications using just words. > I agree. Every guitarist should check out the weird sounds lesson. My favorite sound is the one where you pull the cable out of your guitar and stick it on your tongue. ZAP! Maybe this explains a lot about me ... :)
Isaac
-- "Your 15 minutes of lameness are up-- let the Klugman revolution begin" -- Zorak
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:23:21 -0600 (CST) From: Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ytse-Age Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980322235855.25949A-100000@grover.eecs.uic.edu>
Hi everyone.
How many more posts on this subject before some yells "Read the FAQ!"? Until then, I'll give my $.02:
I think I&W came out around Sept. of 1992 and I jumped on the list in March of 1993. I'd just taken a comp. sci. class and learned how to use email, and the Jam was one of my first experiments.
Back then, things such as Chuck vs. James, "Hey I'm new and just saw PMU on MTV; when is their second album coming out?", and "Why PMU is written about Hamlet" were common on the list. Few trader wars, no band input.
Things were slow for a while, but really started buzzing when Awake was released. When we got a mention on the liner notes of ACoS, things just exploded!
Do you guys realize that I used to receive a 1/2 dozen posts a day? Now I get that many _digests_ a day! Cool.
If anyone has any date corrections, feel free. My memory suffers. BTW, this isn't an "I've been here longer than you" post; I just thought it would be interesting to remind people of our Ytst-history. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Thanks for reading. Glenn
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ L. Glenn Waterfield "Call for your physics "And so we find once again that the evil of reading today!" the past seeps into the present, like salad dressing through cheap waxed paper - mixing Argonne National Lab memory and desire." --The Tick Waterfield@anl.gov ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:34:31 -0600 From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net> To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Altura Alternative?? Anyone know? Message-ID: <35160277.56335CBB@flash.net>
So, I saw where someone mentioned the rumor that Altura was going in an alternative direction. As a fan of their first, and only album, I'm quite dismayed to read this and would like to know if anyone can confirm or deny this. Thanks, Kevin.
-- Used CDs are always for sale at: http://www.flash.net/~kvill/cdsale.html
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:46:16 +1100 From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LTE competition winner.... Message-ID: <35160538.C04185C4@sydney.net>
For anyone who is interested, the winner who I judged as telling the biggest 'sob story' in trying to get a copy of LTE is : Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au> For Luke's dedication and efforts to get a copy of LTE, he will recieve from me a CDR of the DT boot 'The Dance Of Eternity' (his choice)
graham
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:58:06 GMT+1 From: Andreas Griessing <AGRIESS@nf.fh-nuernberg.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT-show in Erlangen Message-ID: <BF69C31FFB@nf-soft.nf.fh-nuernberg.de>
Hi Yammers,
did anyone record the fantastic show of Vanden Plas and Dream Theater in Erlangen, Stadthalle (Germany) on 18 March 98 and is planning to produce a bootleg?? If so, please TELL ME. Thanks and regards Andi
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