YTSEJAM Digest 3665
Today's Topics:
1) Re: GAPS in Liquid Tension Experiment
by Richard Douwes <rdouwes@hetnet.nl>
2) Damir Simic Shime
by "randy shewey" <randyshewey@email.msn.com>
3) Re: Sherinian
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
4) Re: Northern Virginia Jammers
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
5) Re: One minute songs
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
6) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re:Uh oh, DD's cranky.
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
7) Re: Ytsejam age...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
8) Re: Laser's Edge
by "Timothy P. Shough" <hounddog@nji.com>
9) CDs for trade !
by Christian Morency <anakinsolo@geocities.com>
10) Re: Long Songs
by q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
11) Re: LTE on mp3?
by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
12) Assorted Munchies
by Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
13) Re: Assorted Munchies
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Re: One minute songs
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
15) LTE and a tiny rant.
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
16) Re: Assorted Munchies BOZZIO IS GOD!
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
17) Re: Assorted Munchies
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
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Date: 22 Mar 1998 21:48:37 +0100
From: Richard Douwes <rdouwes@hetnet.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: GAPS in Liquid Tension Experiment
Message-ID: <0d04d3648201638NET019S@>
On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:10:16 EST
WarrenDW <WarrenDW@aol.com> wrote about
Re: GAPS in Liquid Tension Experiment:
> If you want to E-mail to complain then send it to
> http//:www.Anal Retentive Whiners .com/pettybullshit/get a life asshole/~htm
That's not a legal email address, looks more like a URL :-)
If you had followed the thread, you would have noticed I was talking about
the European version of LTE, which has 2-second gaps/ cut-offs at the end of
_every_ track, including the 5 tracks of "3 minute warning", I wasn't talking
about the _1_ gap in 3-minute warning (which appears in all versions, and
which I
don't mind, of course).
>And by the way I copyrighted the internet use of the word "asshole" many years
>ago and so I have the _right_ to use it as I see fit. :>) <-------smiley
>face.
>Warren in Oregon
Hey Warren, look at my email address, I'm from the Netherlands, remember:
we're liberal, so I don't really mind your constructive criticism :-)
Richard Douwes
rdouwes@hetnet.nl
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:04:43 -0500
From: "randy shewey" <randyshewey@email.msn.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Damir Simic Shime
Message-ID: <0edc91802211638UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com>
A Couple Quickies Here, The Doc Wrote, < Damir Simic-Shime...
this guy is a monster on guitar.> How true. I found out about this guy
about a month ago, a friend of mine brought me a copy of his sample tape
from the namm show. The story I hear on this guy is that he's Tony
Mcalpine's protogee & that they formed Metropolis Records together.... His
Album THE QUEST can be purchased directly from him at Damir Simic Shime,
3940 Laurel Cnyn Bivd #276, Studio City Ca. 91604, for $15 or you can
even e-mail him at shime@ktb.net It's definatly worth getting, with guest
apperance by Mcalpine himself and has ricky riccardo on bass & mike terrana
on drums ... Also the new Symp X is by far the best thing I've heard in a
while if for some strange reason you don't own this one yet do yourself a
favor and buy it asap...funny thing I often find myself with the urge just
to go cruise around w/ O THE HUNTER cranked up loud as hell and scare all
the little alterna/grundge bastards off their skateboards... see ya!
Randy Shewey
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:03:09 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Sherinian
Message-ID: <5065e4c1.35157c8f@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-22 07:07:34 EST, you write:
<< It least when he=92s on stage, he does not look like he=92s on ludes. >>
tell me about it, i loved kev, but that boy just looked like he hated the
world when he was on stage.
<<He could tone things down a little though.>>
na, i like the fact that derek gets into the music, when i first saw DT with
kev live the whole band looked bored, then when i saw them with derek before
he was an official member, they seemed to take a few steps and actually move a
little, but when i saw them both times this tour, they all looked happy, they
were really into the music, and the crowd was so much more into the music.
Rocky
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:06:42 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Jammers
Message-ID: <99051943.35157d64@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-22 12:06:00 EST, you write:
<< I seem to remember some 'Jammer posting a review of the January 3rd, 1998
show
at Jaxx in Springfield, and saying that he had the benefit of listening to
his
tape of the show for the review. Would that 'jammer(or any other one with
tape of the show) please E-mail me, as I would very much like to have a tape
of that show.
>>
i saw dream theater at Jaxx in December, but i dont think there was a January
3rd show there, if so i'm pissed as a mofo for not hearing about it, maybe you
have your dates confused...
Rocky
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:10:24 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: One minute songs
Message-ID: <8dc1a12e.35157e42@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-22 15:11:22 EST, you write:
<< I was thinking about this:
Imagine if DT started playing one minute songs,
like Agnostic front or something !! Ha !
What would you guys think about them after
that ? It would be an extremely radical move
wouldn't you say ?!
Satu
>>
What exactally is your point? Am i the only one missing it? must be all the
drugs i didn't take...
the Rock
http://soft.simplenet.com/
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:20:31 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re:Uh oh, DD's cranky.
Message-ID: <4A2565CF.0079E5E8.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>Graham, u really love this phrase, don`t you? :)
>Not only that u`r repeating other people`s cliche`s,
>u`r also repeating yourself!
>Now chill and let people expressing their opinions
>without jumping on their backs everytime, u already
>proved u`r a hotshot!
>matej
Okay I will say this once more as you quite obviously didn't
comprehend things the first time.
My original reply to the guy who posted about the live albums
being over dubbed was meant as a light hearted-pull the piss
no offence intended-kinda thing.
Yes I need to repeat myself, like I am now....
graham
Yes sarcasm is said to be the lowest form of wit
How low do you wanna go ?
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:17:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ytsejam age...
Message-ID: <199803222117.QAA11124@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
> Subject: Re: Ytsejam age...
>
> Michael Burstin wrote:
>
> > hmm... while I wasn't here in the beginning, I signed up around
> > digest 19 back in Jan-Feb of 93... what was the exact release (date,
> > or even month) of I&W... I know PMU was out in full force then, so
> > Ytsejam was started around the time of I&W release, but probably
> > shortly after... (again, I only started at like #19 or so, so at a
> > slow post rate, that could have been over a month or 2 after it was
> > started)
> >
>
> COol.. did ppl fight the same Kev/Derek fights with Chuck/KJlB?
>
Actually, back then, WDADU was virtually unheard of, was an import,
and a few of started creating a list of shops in the country that
either carried it, or were willing to get it in for those wanting
it...
> ------------------------------
> From: WarrenDW <WarrenDW@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: GAPS in Liquid Tension Experiment
>
> > I heard the "Euro-LTE" on Friday at the record store, and the
> > gaps mentioned here were there. It made me decide not to be the
> > album yet, and wait for a better mastered version to come along
> > (unlikely? well, Deep Purple did it with their In Rock-25 CD), or
> > import it from the US.
>
> The ONLY gap I heard was on "3-minute warning" and that's because
> they ran out of tape and had to go to Mike's DAT recording to fill
> in the missing music. It was their choice to tolerate the small gap
> near the end of the song and give us the opportunity to hear the
> entire song as recorded....live...instead of a CD with almost 30
> minutes LESS music on it. If you want to E-mail to complain then
> send it to
Somebody isn't paying attention before flaming again... several
people, including this post, have stated that the European version of
LTE has been mastered differently, and has full 2 second gaps between
every song on the CD, unlike the US version of it, which was mastered
differently, has no 2 second gaps, only the the gap b/c of the tape
running out.
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:39:18 -0800
From: "Timothy P. Shough" <hounddog@nji.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Laser's Edge
Message-ID: <3515AF36.25ED@nji.com>
> Has anyone else's order from the Laser's Edge taken an ABSURDLY
> long time to get to you? I ordered SIX weeks ago. I contacted Ken
> after three and he said credit card orders take longer.
> Great catalog and selection, but service? Especially since my order
> was around $350!
> Just venting, thanks,
> Trevor
I feel your pain. :) The wait for huge CD orders can seem like an
eternity. I've ordered from The Laser's Edge quite a bit, and while
I've never had to wait nearly that long, I have experienced a few
quirks. With an order as large as yours, Ken may have had a difficult
time getting all your CDs in stock. Did you specify any alternates? I
have noticed that Ken's stock is not as good as it used to be, probably
because LE is gaining in popularity. My most recent orders contained as
many alternates as main selections, which wasn't the case when I first
started ordering from him. Despite this, I've always received my CDs
quickly. I undoubtedly would not have if I hadn't specified quite a few
alternates. Good luck.
Tim
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:27:04 -0500
From: Christian Morency <anakinsolo@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CDs for trade !
Message-ID: <35159E47.FE994C60@geocities.com>
Hi I'm interested in trading CDs, trade would 1 cd for 1 cd.
Crimson Glory : Transcendence (prog/metal)
Cynic : Focus (prog/jazz/death metal)
Primus : Tales From The Punch Bowl (alternative/prog)
Tempest : The Gravel Walk (celtic/irish trad/prog)
I would be interested in metal / progmetal cds...
Also, interested in buying/trading Shadow Gallery first cd "Shadow
Gallery" (I have many magna carta cds and I would consider trading for
Shadow Gallery's first cd) !
Please email at anakinsolo@geocities.com
Best regards
Chris Morency
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:03:07 -0800
From: q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Long Songs
Message-ID: <3516A3DB.1108@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
Not to forget Opeth's "Morningrise"....5 songs......66 minutes......
The Doors weren't shy on long songs....
A complete contrast to the reissued Napalm Death "From Enslavement to
Obliteration/Scum".....54 songs.....66 inutes
:)
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:01:43 -0600
From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LTE on mp3?
Message-ID: <3515A667.D1D08F5@ix.netcom.com>
I don't know about mp3's but you can hear one song, paradigm shift, in its entirety in
real audio form at www.hardradio.com.
Lord Mutilo
jsj@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:44:10 EST
From: Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Assorted Munchies
Message-ID: <a636ba8c.3515be6c@aol.com>
1. Terry Bozzio. I've heard this guy mentioned from time to time, but never in
comparison with other drummers. (Before you say "that's because drummers are
more open-minded and complacent than guitarists" let me say MARK ZONDER VERSUS
MIKE PORTNOY, RING ANY BELLS??) I have Vai's "Sex & Religion" but I've never
heard much else by or about Bozzio, least of all in discussions about popular
musicians. Most of the time it's like Bozzio is in a class by himself or
something. I'd like to know what the drummers on this list think of Terry
Bozzio and where (if at all) he fits in with the Weckl/Peart/Zonder/Portnoy
heirarchy of skilled progressive metal drummers, if he can be considered
progressive. BTW, does he really do four beats at once with each limb doing
separate tempos?
2. John Galt. Who is John Galt?
3. www.vai.com. There are guitar lessons there now. What I want everyone to
pay attention to is how much Vai gets across without tablature or notation.
This is a man who can explain things with such clarity that you can learn
about the guitar and its potential sounds without seeing any techniques
written down on paper. I think there are one or two tablatures in that "from
1985" section, but I found it very refreshing that someone could actually
explain so much about physical applications using just words.
4. Fast track. What is a fast track? Something to improve the speed of a
guitarist or something to entertain really energetic gerbils?
5. Re: "Cherone sounds like other Van Halen vocalists." Listen to "Money" from
Pornograffitti. The first time I heard the spoken prayer in that song, I
thought it was David Lee Roth on guests vocals, seriously. "AFFOWD my roll to
keep!!" Phonetic attitude, baby! Beefcake! BEEFCAAAAKE!!
6. Randquote. Randquote is a devious IRC function set in motion by the twisted
and capricious ytse-powers that be. It provides an endless font of tastless
humor that is often completely unnecessary, unexpected, chaotic and volatile
all at once. Let me be the first to say I LOVE IT. Never have I laughed so
hard for so long on that IRC channel. Psyence, you get a free box of Samoans
from me. :)
Life is short. Play fast.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:53:36 -0700
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Assorted Munchies
Message-ID: <01bd55fe$7eb3ab00$1a0d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
>2. John Galt. Who is John Galt?
BAH! Thanks alot Bafu, this is actually bugging the shit outta me. I need
a cool, crisp, refreshing York Peppermint Patty now.
--KorgX3 knows who this is, but can't remeber who.
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:05:19 -0500 (EST)
From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: One minute songs
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980322210423.557846753B-100000@drew.edu>
> I was thinking about this:
> Imagine if DT started playing one minute songs,
> like Agnostic front or something !! Ha !
> What would you guys think about them after
> that ? It would be an extremely radical move
> wouldn't you say ?!
DT is no different. If any band only wrote one minute songs it would suck.
Of course, there's would be about 80 DT songs on one disc. :)
Brandon
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:48:48 -0700
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LTE and a tiny rant.
Message-ID: <000e01bd5606$3e783620$3f2746cf@sir.micron.net>
Well I went down to Utah for the weekend to visit my brother who has LTE.=
I
liked it more after one listen than after the first listen of any other C=
D
that I've ever heard. My favorite is the ending of track #8. *snicker*
Anyway, we discovered that there isn't a single copy of LTE in the greate=
r
SLC area, so now I'm just ordering it over the web. I can't even say how
cool this CD is.
In the paper down there I found a really cool article about the band "Our
Lady Peace." They were quoted as saying something like "We conceive all
these ideas but we never have them realized because of our musical
limitations, but we're doing the best we can." You have to respect 'em f=
or
saying it, but it pisses me off that people will still buy a band's CD if
they know that the music on the CD isn't what the artist wishes could be =
on
it.
I find that when a good guitarist is playing a slower passage, I enjoy it
much more than when a bad guitarists plays it, because I know that they'r=
e
playing slow because they want to, not because they have to.
Anyway, I feel better now. :P
Get high on ether when there's no one in the house.
Pretend it's the big one the moment you pass out.
That's just rehearsal, but it's comforting somehow
To practice dying now.
woot=99
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:48:02 -0800
From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Assorted Munchies BOZZIO IS GOD!
Message-ID: <3515CD62.3EE@pacbell.net>
Uroborosss wrote:
>
> 1. Terry Bozzio. I've heard this guy mentioned from time to time, but never in
> comparison with other drummers. (Before you say "that's because drummers are
> more open-minded and complacent than guitarists" let me say MARK ZONDER VERSUS
> MIKE PORTNOY, RING ANY BELLS??) I have Vai's "Sex & Religion" but I've never
> heard much else by or about Bozzio, least of all in discussions about popular
> musicians. Most of the time it's like Bozzio is in a class by himself or
> something. I'd like to know what the drummers on this list think of Terry
> Bozzio and where (if at all) he fits in with the Weckl/Peart/Zonder/Portnoy
> heirarchy of skilled progressive metal drummers, if he can be considered
> progressive. BTW, does he really do four beats at once with each limb doing
> separate tempos?
Bafu Babay.....
I am not a drummer, but after having lived with, supported and been
immersed with a drummer and all that is drumming for over 5 years, the
one things I can say is BOZZIO IS GOD! I have been priviledged to
attend drum workshops and I have a few faves, Portnoy, Smith, Peart,
Castronovo, Phillips, but damn Bozzio has some chops. You are right, he
doesn't quite fit in with any other genre of drummers, yet if you ask
some of those guys I mentioned (and I asked a couple of them when I met
them) they all have respect for Mr. Bozzio. He has such a diverse
background...Zappa, UK, Missing Persons, Jeff Beck, Vai, BLS,...shall I
go on? Every project or group he has been involved in has been quite
different from the next. I have seen Bozzio play and sometimes it does
appear that all his appendages are being used to play his kit. He IS in
a class all by himself. He truly is a talent to behold.
If you would like some recommendations as to other bodies of his
work....try UK Danger Money, any Missing Persons, Jeff Beck's Guitar
Shop, of course BLS. Also see if you can get a hold of one of his
instructional videos. Sit back and prepare to be blown away. I was.
Of course I am awaiting Explorer's Club, Age of Impact with baited
breath.
>
>
> 6. Randquote. Randquote is a devious IRC function set in motion by the twisted
> and capricious ytse-powers that be. It provides an endless font of tastless
> humor that is often completely unnecessary, unexpected, chaotic and volatile
> all at once. Let me be the first to say I LOVE IT. Never have I laughed so
> hard for so long on that IRC channel. Psyence, you get a free box of Samoans
> from me. :)
UH OH it' looks like Bafu found a new toy! Look out world, Bafu is on
the loose in a whole new arena.
>
> Life is short. Play fast.
>
> Bafu Vai
--
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GalleryMistress@dreamt.org
ICQ: 4656934
http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard/coldfire
The Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List galleryofshadows@coollist.com
Gallery of Shadows
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"Fly where your dreams go...." - Crystalline Dream, Shadow Gallery
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:30:59 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Assorted Munchies
Message-ID: <96114c9c.3515d776@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-22 21:16:23 EST, you write:
<< 3. www.vai.com. There are guitar lessons there now. What I want everyone to
pay attention to is how much Vai gets across without tablature or notation.
This is a man who can explain things with such clarity that you can learn
about the guitar and its potential sounds without seeing any techniques
written down on paper. >>
yea i've seen the lessons they are great, i'm very glad he didnt use tabs like
crazy like most guitarists do. tabs have their uses, but i think that tab is
the fall of the guitar as a musical instrument, too many people don't bother
learning anything about musical notation just because they can have something
tell them where to put their fingers on the guitar. i started playing guitar
reading music, then about 6 months into that i discovered tablature. it was
great, but i stoped using notes to learn the songs i wanted to learn. after 3
or 4 years of tabs, i decided to start back with sight reading, it bacame
harder, but i guess if you work at it, it gets easier.
rocky
http://soft.simplenet.com
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