YTSEJAM Digest 3662
Today's Topics:
1) CD Now discount...
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
2) Sentinel Steel Records
by Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
3) Symphony X and Altura
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
4) Re: Uh oh, DD's cranky.
by Paal Birger Solhaug <paalbs@online.no>
5) Roland Rupp
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Re: LTE gaps between/within songs
by Richard Douwes <rdouwes@hetnet.nl>
7) <sigh>
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
8) Anglard, Anekdoten, and Bill Hicks - hey, what a combo.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
9) Long songs
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
10) Re: Side project: what about "Age of impact"?
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
11) Looking for Venue names
by Joseph Cristina <joecr@ici.net>
12) Rush car
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
13) Shadow Gallery
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
14) To Pat Daugherty.........
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
15) Re: Roland Rupp
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
16) Re: Uh oh, DD's cranky.
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
17) Want to know about just about any prog metal band out there?
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:26:47 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CD Now discount...
Message-ID: <3513F857.E287A5E9@goodnet.com>
Hey all, I just got this email about a cool discount that I can offer people
who visit my website and want to buy something through CD Now, here are the
details:
>> Anyone coming from your site to CDnow will receive a $10.00 discount
>> on any purchases of $20.00 or more (applicable taxes, shipping &
>> handling not included). Offer expires on March 30th, 1998 @ 4:59 pm
>> EST. Limit one per customer. Be sure to mention this on your site!!
>>
>> PLUS, THE STOREWIDE SALE!!
>>
>> From now until March 31st at 10:59 am EST, CDnow will be having
>> a storewide sale. You and your visitors can save up to 30% on
>> your favorite albums, in addition to getting $10.00 off your >>purchase!
Sounds like a good enough deal to me, so I thought I'd pass it along to all of
you... To get to CD Now from my web page, follow the links that appear
throughout, like on the Dream Theater page:
http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt/dt.htm
]From there you can search on any artist that you want to...
Happy shopping!
-- ~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> Home Page / AZ Concerts Mailing List - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw Dream Theater "Unofficial" Song Book - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt ~Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit~------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:32:48 +0200 From: Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sentinel Steel Records Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980321173248.0066da80@mbox.sci.fi>
Hey ! Can anyone send me some info about this company ? I know there's been lots of discussion about the companys and all, but I can't remember anymore which places were good and which were bad. Thanks tonz ! Satu
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:05:59 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Symphony X and Altura Message-ID: <199803211806.MAA15290@enteract.com>
I just wanted to toss in on this little joyride.
Symphony X is, from a balls and chunk or technical guitar playing standpoint, probably the most ideal prog metal band around. They're heavy as HELL, have AWESOME AWESOME vocals (that may take a few listens to grow on you) a bassist who keeps up on some unreal speed playing, WITHOUT a pick (absolute necessity. I hate picked bass!) and the whole package. If you listen to the guitars and say there's nothing new there, or that the guy isn't evil and frightening, then you just don't understand. :) Influences from Yngwie, 20th century composers like Shoenberg, and what sounds like Uli Jon Roth, mixed with technique the likes of which I doubt Paul Gilbert could pull off (let ALONE Yngwie!). Even with all this, they're still not a "guitar showcase"... it's music first. I can't understand not liking this band!
Altura, whether you like them or not, has supposedly gone alternative.
Hasta!
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:10:48 +0100 From: Paal Birger Solhaug <paalbs@online.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Uh oh, DD's cranky. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980321191048.007a86d0@online.no>
>I've seen a lot of reviews for Shadow Gallery's "Carved In Stone" on the
>list lately, and you know what? Not one single person has blasted SG for
>"destroying the flow" of that album by putting the 20+ minute "Ghostship"
>on there. Just an observation.
Well, on my version of CiS, "Ghostship" is actually divided into seven
shorter songs, starting at track 13 and ending at track 20. Does it
exist versions of "Ghostship" where the song is not divided into smaller
parts, or is the divided version the only one available? Anyway, I think the
song(s) is great (Ghostship), and I am definetively pro longer songs!
And I also think that long songs are kind of trademark for Dream Theater,
so if they suddenly stop making long songs just to fit the market, I would
be dissapointed, but I would not STOP liking them... Dream Theater are
great whatever they do, no matter how they do it!
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:26:20 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Roland Rupp Message-ID: <199803211826.MAA18808@enteract.com>
The first song was decent... well written.
The second one, I believe, is a fraud. Guitarists, go listen to Rupp's second song on Alan Estrada's page. The vibrato and some of the high notes don't sound right. Sounds to me like it's been sped up. Plus, the picking technique doesn't sound right to my ears, and some of the tapped things just sound pretty obvious.
This is MY opinion, and I have no way to prove it, but I'd LOVE to see what some other jammers think. The first song is quite decent, but it doesn't follow that he'd play the first song the way he did, and hold back all these licks for the second one. If I'm wrong, I'll publicly apologize, but it will take more than Rupp or Estrada telling me I'm wrong.
I've sped up my own songs for fun before, but never even CONSIDERED passing it off for the real shit. You'll notice how the tone quality on Rupp's second song sounds like Paul Gilberts on "I Understand Completely" off the Guitars that Rule the World cd... a song that features some sped up fake licks as a joke. Can some of you shredders go listen to these files and verify or tell me I'm wrong? I found this kind of insulting. The URL is in one of the last jams, in a post from Estrada.
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Date: 21 Mar 1998 19:31:20 +0100 From: Richard Douwes <rdouwes@hetnet.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: LTE gaps between/within songs Message-ID: <0861a2031181538NET019S@>
Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:00:51 +0100, Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> wrote:
>Hello everybody! >I just checked my Euro-CD and the mastering *really* sucks. Someone should >tell the guys at Roadrunner not to master a CD in track-at-once-mode, or >whatever they did. Forget what I said about some CD players muting the 2sec >pauses on a CD. The gaps are on the CD! These guys must be deaf.
I heard the "Euro-LTE" on Friday at the record store, and the gaps mentioned here were there. It made me decide not to be the album yet, and wait for a better mastered version to come along (unlikely? well, Deep Purple did it with their In Rock-25 CD), or import it from the US.
Anybody have an idea who we can email to complain about this? I think it is really stupid to f*ck up a masterpiece like this with easily-avoided errors in mastering (if that's what they are).
Richard Douwes "Thank doG I'm not dyslectic" rdouwes@hetnet.nl
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:34:38 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: <sigh> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980321103438.00873820@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>2 balldes >2 potential radio hits >3 good prog songs >AND >Metropolis Part II
Dude, Arash, they already made I&W! Go listen to Empty Tremor and give it a rest.
Jon
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:05:07 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Anglard, Anekdoten, and Bill Hicks - hey, what a combo. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980321140038.18797A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
just to add on the anlgagard/anekdoten coversation:
anglgard has 3 albums out: hybris, elipog, and burned alive. the band broke up late in 1994 (actually, burned alive - from progfest '94 - is the last anglgard show ever). aneketon has 4 albums out - vemod, nucleus, live ep and the official live in japan album. my website has a complete discography if you want to check that out. according to jan-erik liljestrom, the band is very much alive and taking a break before working on their new album.
i happened to pick up a bill hicks cd yesterday (arizona bay) and for those of you who don't know who he is, he was one of the greatest comedians ever to live. his death in 1994 was truly a tragedy. i hope some of you pick up some of his material if possible.
- m.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:06:11 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Long songs Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980321153925.5685D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Paal Birger Solhaug wrote:
> And I also think that long songs are kind of trademark for Dream > Theater, so if they suddenly stop making long songs just to fit the > market, I would be dissapointed, but I would not STOP liking them... > Dream Theater are great whatever they do, no matter how they do it!
It is funny that most people in this list seem to think think that these "new age of progressive music" bands such as Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Fates Warning and such are the first ones to do concept albums or long music, making them their trademark.
That's absolutely not correct. First of all, the majority of Dream Theater songs isn't long. Take, for instance, "Images and Words" or "Awake" or "When Dream and Day Unite". The longer songs are around 11 minutes (with "Scarred" being exactly 11:00 and "Learning to Leave" being 11:30). All other songs are under the 10 minute mark.
Now, if you take a look at what the progressive bands (not prog metal, only prog) were doing in the 70s (most of them, doing these things before I was even born), you'll be in shock, if you like long songs. Take a look at that:
* Yes, "Tales from Topographic Oceans" has 4 20-minute songs; * Yes, "Relayer" has 3 songs, one being 20+-minute and the other songs around 9 minutes; * Yes, "Close to the Edge", with the title track being 18 minutes long; * Jethro Tull and his 40-minute concept albums; * Emerson, Lake and Palmer, "Brain Salad Surgery" has "Karn Evil 9", which is divided into 3 "impressions", with the 1st impression divided into 2 parts (due to technical limitations of the time). KE9 is 30 minutes long; * Emerson, Lake and Palmer, "Tarkus" has "Tarkus" with 20 minutes and some absolutely crazy, wild prog (recommended); * Camel, "The Snow Goose" is a 43-minute concept album that is basically one song.
I can't list more because I'm very ignorant on 70's bands.
Of course, those into progressive bands know all this, but many people who got into prog metal from the metal side of Dream Theater may ignore such masterpieces of progressive rock.
If you're asking if there's something magic about the 20 minutes :-), then you are on the right track. Since each side of a vinyl disc had 20 minutes approximately, this was the longer that songs could get without being split (this is also the reason why KE9's 1st impression is split into 2 parts).
So, these progressive metal bands are not being that innovative when they're doing these 15 or 20 minute songs. Many bands have done that in the past (20 years ago, for instance).
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: If you don't know the albums I listed, I highly recommend them, since they give some insight in where does Dream Theater got inspiration. An album that is worth checking also is Yes's "Fragile".
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:20:57 +0100 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Side project: what about "Age of impact"? Message-ID: <35142129.CAAB0A5@stones.com>
> Hi everybody, > nearly a week ago someone wrote about a side project promoted by > Gardner brothers (Magellan) and called "Explorer's Club" featuring: > > * Brozio (Drums) > * Petrucci & Howe (Guitars) > * Sherinian (Keyboards) > * Shihan (Bass) > * Cooper & Douglas (Vocals) > > Since then I have only heard rumors about that, does anybody know anything? > I was told the possible CD's heading would be "Age of impact"... > Please let me know! >
You might want to check : http://www.zaks.com/magnacarta/magfrog1.htm
Magna Carta`s releases and future plans (including "Age of impact")
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:49:36 -0500 From: Joseph Cristina <joecr@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Looking for Venue names Message-ID: <199803212047.PAA02937@bajor.ici.net>
Hi Everyone,
I'm looking for the Venues of the following shows. If anyone knows them and you email me privately at joecr@ici.net? (I don't want the Jam to get clogged up with email replies to me). :)
Tilburg 4/16/97 New York 1/4/98
Thanx! Joe
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:07:20 -0500 (EST) From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush car Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980321170546.555795064A-100000@drew.edu>
Very cool thing happened today.
I was driving with my cousin towards Bethesda and the car to the right of us has this huge Rush sticker on the back of the window. I look at the Maryland license plate and it says "By Tor." I wonder if this guy's a jammer.
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:31:31 -0500 (EST) From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980321173059.265711A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
Anyone here interested in purchasing a used copy of CARVED IN STONE?
-=- I know a monster when I see one in the mirror.
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:47:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: To Pat Daugherty......... Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980321174535.75492A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
Sorry to send this to the list, but my reply to your e-mail bounced back to me. Anyway, here's what I had to say....
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Pat Daugherty wrote:
> Hey, > > so is the Union cd grungy sounding or more hard rock/metal? Does Corabi > sound like he did on the Crue or more like the Scream?
It's sort of a grunge/hard rock hybrid. Call it "dark rock." Kulick does solo alot, so I guess it can't really be grunge. On some songs, Corabi sounds like his Scream days (those are the catchy ones). And on others he sounds like he did with Motley. If you're a fan of Corabi, I would recommend picking it up. It is a good album, just not as amazing as I had hoped. > > Isn't Eric Singer on this as well as Bruce and John? Who's the bassist? > No, the drummer is a guy named Brent Fitz (whose not bad at all) and the bassist is Jamie Hunting (seems good to me). Hope this helps.
Richie
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:06:11 -0600 (CST) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Roland Rupp Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980321165822.26616A-100000@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
well, Ptacek said somethimg about Rupp=B4s tape speeded up.....
NO WAY. I know the guy, and i have seen him play. He scares the shit out=20 of me every time i see him play, he s amazing. However, i think that=20 those songs on Alan=B4s page are somewhat monotonous and very improvised,= =20 but he did NOT sped up the tape. This demo was made like 2 years ago, i believe Rupp has matured some more= =20 musically speaking since then, but as far as i know, he made this demo at= =20 his "shred peak".=20 Maybe the sound quality isnt decent enough, but, hey, this was recorded=20 on a 4 track, and alan must have a second or third generation tape of=20 this demo.
Mauricio
On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Christopher Ptacek wrote:
>=20 > The first song was decent... well written. =20 >=20 > The second one, I believe, is a fraud. Guitarists, go listen to Rupp's > second song on Alan Estrada's page. The vibrato and some of the high > notes don't sound right. Sounds to me like it's been sped up. Plus, the > picking technique doesn't sound right to my ears, and some of the tapped > things just sound pretty obvious. >=20 > This is MY opinion, and I have no way to prove it, but I'd LOVE to see > what some other jammers think. The first song is quite decent, but it > doesn't follow that he'd play the first song the way he did, and hold bac= k > all these licks for the second one. If I'm wrong, I'll publicly > apologize, but it will take more than Rupp or Estrada telling me I'm > wrong. =20 >=20 > I've sped up my own songs for fun before, but never even CONSIDERED > passing it off for the real shit. You'll notice how the tone quality on > Rupp's second song sounds like Paul Gilberts on "I Understand Completely" > off the Guitars that Rule the World cd... a song that features some sped > up fake licks as a joke. Can some of you shredders go listen to these > files and verify or tell me I'm wrong? I found this kind of insulting. > The URL is in one of the last jams, in a post from Estrada. >=20 >=20
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:06:15 +1100 From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Uh oh, DD's cranky. Message-ID: <351447E7.7FDE623@sydney.net>
Pat Sullivan wrote: > Jeez, pull your head out of your ass. You jumped all over the guy for > saying "I THINK that VIRTUALLY every official live disc released...". > Everybody remember to put IMO in every post you make, even if you are > saying "The sky is blue (IMO)". I'd hate for Graham to have to keep getting > his panties in a bunch over dumn stuff like that. It must chafe horribly.
Look up sarcasm in a dictionary then pull your foot out of your big mouth. It was intented as a light hearted comment and nothing more. I didn't put and smilies or did I hit the 'sarcasm key' as I thought that it was pretty obvious that I was pulling the piss...
Relax that stiff upper lip Pat
graham
PS this is the jam and we don't need the 'IMO' after every sentence isn't everything said by jammers actuall facts ?
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:14:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Want to know about just about any prog metal band out there? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980321175218.16482A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Well, if you've never heard of a new prog metal band, a first place to start is a place called The progressive metal list. (http://www.onr.com/progress/) The list is very comprehensive, although a bit late on more recent disks. Also included on most bands is a short review about any albums the reviewer might have heard. A must link for any die-hard progmetal listener.
It is not completely complete, but I figure he must have close to 80-90% of most bands there in some shape or form.
-jeremy
PS Got my copy of Hollow Years today (thanks Sarah!) Add me to the list of those you like You or Me better than You not Me. It's really rough, but what dya expect, its a bloody demo! Now all I want is the Jap version. Got your copy now!
+=====================================================================+ Every man, you see, is born beneath the sword Damocles, For young and old are all alive on that next beat on which we ride, And that beat is such a fragile thing, in both old men and youthful king, And that beat stands all alone, you see, between us and black eternity, And until that time, when death won't wait, let each man rage against, his fate.-- Savatage _The Wake of Magellan_ +=====================================================================+ Jeremy Hallum Grad Student, Astronomy, Boston University jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
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