YTSEJAM Digest 3660
Today's Topics:
1) Re: portnoy & aol im
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
2) LTE
by Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
3) Stormkro?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
4) Superior (HARHARHARHAR!!!! ;)))
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
5) Re: Live at the Marquee
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
6) Anekdoten/Metro Two
by "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
7) Re: Help! Which CD's (NDTC)
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) re: Shadow Gallery con queso
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
9) Re: portnoy & aol im
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) new DT album
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) the resurrection of ahtrap
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
12) Re: new DT album
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
13) Avast! Ye be eating my Shadow Gallery sin carne y queso
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Re: Help! Which CD's (NDTC)
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
15) Re: Live at the Marquee
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
16) Re: Shadow Gallery con carne
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:39:26 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: portnoy & aol im
Message-ID: <eebdf2fb.3512fe30@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-20 15:35:05 EST, you write:
<< well excuse me i missed it. i am sorry. but i do not go on-line that often
and
when i do i have about 20 or so jams. so excuse me if i don't have the
patience to sit down and read all of them
Angella >>
well GOD DAMMIT your supposed to not have a life like me
just kidding, don't yell at me,
Rocky
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:51:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95q.980320181626.22099A-100000@laurent.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Well, I know pretty much everything that can be said about this album
has been already. But I nonetheless feel the urge to share my thoughts.
I've had the album for a week now (ordered it from CDNow and it only
took them 4 days to ship to Canada - not bad!), so it's had some time
to sink in...
Anyway, the first word I can think of to describe LTE is WOW! With all
the hype I was kinda waiting for a letdown (that's what happened with
FII), but in fact it was the total opposite! I haven't listened to
anything else since I got this CD (the Royal Hunt disc I ordered with
it will just have to wait in the shrink-wrap for a while), and I've
taken it with me everywhere I go!
LTE, being all-instrumental, and being that the guys didn't hold back
any of their creativity for the sake of "good songwriting", or to fit in
vocals, may be the best album of all time for me. It's right up there
on the same level with I&W, and only time will tell which is better now.
Not only did LTE blow me away the first time I listened to it, but it
continues to grow on me with each subsequent listen. I&W is the only
other album that's had such an awesome effect on me. And then when I
think "and this was all written and recorded in a WEEK", I can only
shake my head in disbelief...
Anyway, enough rambling... other than Chris & Kevin's Excellent
Adventure, which seems kinda pointless, I absolutely love every song
on the CD. I originally thought I probably wouldn't like 3 Minute
Warning that much - I knew it would feature awesome playing, but
doubted whether it would feature the same kind of musical ideas th
other songs do, and whether it would flow - but that changed pretty
quickly. And the last 10-15 minutes of the track are just unreal.
Rudess is just AWESOME on it. Maybe I'm biased because I've played
keys/piano since a pretty young age, but I think he's definitely a
level above the rest of the band, technically and creatively. The
thought of DT with Jordan as the keyboardist scares me. (Nothing
against Derek - he can play, but I can't see DT writing another song
as good as LTL with him.)
My next priority is to get a copy of every other album Jordan has
played on. But I'm in no hurry, I'm not gonna want to stop listening
to LTE any time soon.
** Lars Hellsten (lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca) **
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:52:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stormkro?
Message-ID: <19980320235255.4179.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>
Anyone out there heard of a band called "Stormkro"? Any reviews? Who
they sound like?
Thanks, BH
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:09:25 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Superior (HARHARHARHAR!!!! ;)))
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980320170923.006e3b98@postoffice.syspac.com>
> Have you already got Superior's "Behind"??? If not, don't wait any
>longer.
Superior should come out with a CD called "Ass". That way instead of
saying "I'm off to get Superior's Behind", you could say "Oooh, I really
like Superior's Ass".
;)~
Rock on wit yo bad self, Bernd :)
~Einnivnikufesin
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:22:23 -0500 (EST)
From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Live at the Marquee
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980320191932.555789492B-100000@drew.edu>
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva wrote:
> Ytsejammers, here's a little tech question...
> Does anybody knows if "Live at the Marquee" CDs has overdubs or it was
> released as it was played and recorded live at The Marquee Club on that
> April 23rd, 1993 night???
I think with virtually every official live disc released, there will
always be overdubs. LATM is no exception. James is always bound to mess up
in a live setting.
Brandon
CDs of the week:
Liquid Tension Experiment (Circuit City had it!)
Van Halen 3
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:38:40 PST
From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Anekdoten/Metro Two
Message-ID: <19980321003840.22186.qmail@hotmail.com>
Somebody asked about Anekdoten....excellent band. *VERY* highly
recommended, although they definitely don't resemble DT much. Take
Wetton/Cross era King Crimson and toss in some Van Der Graaf Generator.
Frist album is Vemod. Good stuff, extremely heavy, and more melodic and
structured than their second, Nucleus. Nucleus is more experimental, and
shows the band moving in new directions, away from the KC and VDGG
areas. Vemod is really, really dark, but Nucleus is even more so. Both
albums have some extraordinarily delicate pieces that accentuate how
intense the angular, angry ones are. Setup is bass (distorted
Rickenbacker...sounds a lot like Wetton), guitar (somewhere between
Fripp and Howe), drums (thankfully, this guy isn't a Bruford clone, or
else this band would have serious originality problems...sounds more
like a subdued version of Alan White...big heavy pounder with brains and
jazzy chops), and a cellist, believe it or not. I can't think of any
other band with a cello as part of the regular format. Violin, yes.
Cello, no. The guitarist and cellist also do LOTS of mellotron, and
they'll often use several different sounds at a time, which makes a
really interesting effect. (Nucleus has a lot of vibes sound on it,
which is really cool.) Somebody else posted that Anekdoten had broken
up....Anglagard did, but not Anekdoten. Anekdoten just put out a live
album, I think (haven't heard it) and they're working on a third album.
Very recommended to those who like their music balanced between "balls
and chunk" and delicacy, and technical fireworks and soul. Warning: this
is extremely intense and dark and taut...don't get it if you're on
antidepressants.
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:54:19 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Help! Which CD's (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199803210054.QAA01770@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Mark Jeffrey McEuen said:
>> Altura - Mercy
>
>They have some cool ideas, but there are a *lot* of really abrupt
>transitions and more than a few complex parts that seem to be there just
>to prove that they can do it. Not a bad CD, but there's better.
I'd have to dissent and say this CD is utter and total CRAP. It sounds like
it wasn't mastered, just dumped from a demo tape, and the music is totally
disjointed...
>> Symphony X - Any CD
>
Twilight on Olympus is EXCELLENT, a must have if you're a progmetal/shredhead.
The new drummer really blends into the band and adds a added dimension.
I like this album a lot better than Divine Wings.
>
>> Angra - Holy Land (definately getting this)
>Good call. :) If you like Holy Land, check out Angels Cry, which is even
>better. Heck, just get them both. You won't be disappointed.
That's debatable... Holy Land is pretty revolutionary. But for me, I do like
Angel's Cry a tad better than Holy Land... the Freedom Call EP is really
kick ass too...
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:51:44 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Shadow Gallery con queso Message-ID: <19980321005144.26400.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu> wrote:
>I was surprised to read on the Jam that some people >consider SG a bit >cheesy.
With all the recent gushing about SG, I had to give a few of the reasons that some people get the "cheesy" impression from Shadow Gallery - Carved in Stone.
- As mentioned before, the production (sound) is not quite up to par.
- The lyrics tend to display an overt religious tint. You could categorize SG as a "Christian" rock band. This may be a plus for some, a minus for others. Can contribute to a cheesy feel for some. (I'm not trying to start a jihad here, just pointing out the obvious.)
- Don't forget the cover. The cover artwork has nice coloring, but like the production, it does not have a "professional" feel. More like a 7th grade art student. (Perspective is way off).
- That long silence and the "knocking".
Any one of the above items could easily be overlooked, but when they are added together, they = cheese.
What would I recommend before SG?
Lemur Voice Enchant Fates Warning (APSoG)
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:56:17 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: portnoy & aol im Message-ID: <199803210056.QAA01803@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Angellaa said: > >In a message dated 98-03-17 09:34:07 EST, you write: > ><< well, he posted it to the jam, so if you were a religeous reader you would > know =] > your loss > > Rocky >> > >well excuse me i missed it. i am sorry. but i do not go on-line that often and >when i do i have about 20 or so jams. so excuse me if i don't have the >patience to sit down and read all of them >Angella
No excuses, no refunds, and no exchanges... YTSEJAM comes as is without an expressedly implied warranty of any kind. Your only recourse is to severe your eyes or attempt to unsubscribe.
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:59:55 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new DT album Message-ID: <199803210059.QAA01861@gms.gmsnet.com>
Maybe the whole DT album should just be one song... 80 minutes of Metropolis Part II... with the Japanese edition having the special 3 1/2" disc of Metropolis Part II 1/2.
Then non of you can bitch and whine...
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:42:19 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the resurrection of ahtrap Message-ID: <19980321014220.6978.qmail@hotmail.com>
when unreachable admin type folk start erasing your e-mail arbitrarily, ya know it's time to get the jam on a different address....so i resurrected this old moniker....for all two of you who care :)
anyway > bands once in a while. I have heard Discipline and Ozone Quartet...I > am looking for the new album of Discipline but it seems like I will > have to order it from the band itself. > AE
all of you, please do order Discipline's newest album "Unfolded Like Staircase"....besides the fact that these guys are local to me....and the fact that I saw them open for Echolyn about three years ago)....i got it (ULS) just before going on vacation, and I just got back, but what I've listened to so far, is like, holy (expletive) coolness....think Gabriel-era Genesis, with King Crimson overtones (as the name of the band suggests), and you barely begin to scratch the surface.....I owe these guys a review of the disc, and I'm having trouble just coming up with where to begin describing the disc...... some really sweet stuff, this is......
partha mukhopadhyay
"and when we awake from the dream we'll know what to make of the dream" discipline
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:53:18 EST From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: new DT album Message-ID: <ce1c5c24.35132ba0@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-20 20:33:04 EST, you write:
<< Maybe the whole DT album should just be one song... 80 minutes of Metropolis Part II... with the Japanese edition having the special 3 1/2" disc of Metropolis Part II 1/2. Then non of you can bitch and whine... -The Doc >>
Right on brotha can i get a "A MEN"?
better yet, why don't we have DT email us all personally and ask for our permission to record each song before they do. just to make sure it's progressive enough and long enough for everyone, just so they don't get anymore flames for writing a song thats not good enough for everyone. who knows, maybe they could be the Wild Stalions of the future!
Rocky http://soft.simplenet.com/
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:03:02 -0700 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Avast! Ye be eating my Shadow Gallery sin carne y queso Message-ID: <01bd5475$dc5f93c0$2f0d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
> Symphony X - Any CD
Great stuff if you've got a pegleg, a keg of rotgut, and a woman's blouse on. It's sounds a little Yngwie'ish to me, but it's still not bad. I like The Damnation Game better than The Divine Wings of Tragedy, though. I still haven't heard their first one or their latest. Michael Romeo's a damn good guitar player, tho.
>I haven't heard their eponymous 1st album. Same lineup? Same style? >How's the production? Anyone know?
The 1st album's pretty good. I really love the song, "Say Goodbye to the Morning." The epic 17:22 minute song "The Queen of the City of Ice" is really good, a nice rival to Ghostship which I love. For the most part it's (cover your eyes, Brendt!) rather wussy and some of the choruses remind me of (heheh) Night Ranger. heheh, but I still like it. I be a wuss. The lineup is still the same guys minus Gary Wehrkamp and Kevin Soffera. Don't worry, there's drums though. :) I can't wait till I get to be in a prog band so I can wear pirate clothes. :) As far as I can tell, it's not completely programmed drums. There's a line in the notes stating: "Additional performances by: Drums and Percussion." I dunno if that reflects one song or several songs. It doesn't say.
--KorgX3 "In Darktown, honey! WoohOO-oo-OO-oo-OOH!" -- Mike Baker
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:20:41 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Help! Which CD's (NDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980320211201.11624A-100000@short-eared.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Dr. Mosh wrote:
> >> Altura - Mercy > > > >They have some cool ideas, but there are a *lot* of really abrupt > >transitions and more than a few complex parts that seem to be there just > >to prove that they can do it. Not a bad CD, but there's better. > > I'd have to dissent and say this CD is utter and total CRAP. It sounds like > it wasn't mastered, just dumped from a demo tape, and the music is totally > disjointed...
It is way too disjointed. And every song has a catchy chorus that comes completely out of nowhere, which gets a little old. But some of the pieces of songs are pretty cool, and a few of the songs end up being decent. If they could kick the habit of throwing in an abrupt transition every fifteen seconds, they might be worth listening to.
> >> Symphony X - Any CD > > > > Twilight on Olympus is EXCELLENT, a must have if you're a progmetal/shredhead. > The new drummer really blends into the band and adds a added dimension. > > I like this album a lot better than Divine Wings.
Yeah, I keep hearing how great TiO is. It's definitely at the top of my "to get" list.
> >> Angra - Holy Land (definately getting this) > >Good call. :) If you like Holy Land, check out Angels Cry, which is even > >better. Heck, just get them both. You won't be disappointed. > > That's debatable... Holy Land is pretty revolutionary. But for me, I do like > Angel's Cry a tad better than Holy Land... the Freedom Call EP is really > kick ass too...
Well, Holy Land is definitely more progressive. But I personally like the more straight-ahead neoclassical stuff on AC better...there's some amazingly beautiful stuff there. Just personal preference on my part; they're both great.
And Freedom Call is pretty cool too, but I wouldn't recommend it as the first Angra CD to get.
> -The Doc
Mark McEuen mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:52:32 +1100 From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Live at the Marquee Message-ID: <35133980.8E409761@sydney.net>
belhai wrote: > I think with virtually every official live disc released, there will > always be overdubs.
It's good to know that a jammer has this vast knowledge and quite obviously listened to every live album since time began....
graham
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:19:01 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery con carne Message-ID: <35134DC4.2D61@pacbell.net>
Glenn Waterfield wrote: > > Yo. > > I was surprised to read on the Jam that some people consider SG a bit > cheesy, esp. because of the vocals. I didn't get that impression from > "Carved in Stone" at all I think the vocals are clear and strong, and he > never strays from his range.
SHADOW GALLERY...did somebody mention Shadow Gallery?? Ya'll just KNEW I would pop up at the mention of that Band. > > Something that does bother me a bit is how the backing vocals are mixed. > They're very light and airy, making them seem weak.
Actually having earned my vocal chops singing in choirs from a young age I really appreciate the tight vocal harmonies on Alaska...to me it speaks of true group unity and cohesiveness. It takes a look of work and breath control to get that effect clear when you really just want to reach down and belt it out.
> Also, the kick drums and bass lack the punch that is expected from a > contemporary CD (i.e. FII!), which makes the music a bit flat.
Actually Brendt just posted to the Gallery of Shadows list (shameless plug) about the production differences between CiS and the new one Tyranny. They have newer and better studio equipment now so that should clear up. > > I really like the CD, though; the lyrics are good and there's just enough > "musical masturbation" to keep me happy. =]
WOW...Musical Masturbation..that's one I haven't heard yet..is that what you do to get Ear Boners and Eargasms???
> > I haven't heard their eponymous 1st album. Same lineup? Same style? > How's the production? Anyone know?
Actually Gery Wehrkamp and Kevin Soffera were not a part of the band yet. Well I just ordered the first SG today so I should have it soon. Gonna try to give it a fair couple of hundred listens.
Everybody has a different level of what they consider to be cheese.....One man's chedder is another's Monterey Jack.
Ah well such is life...I'll go back in the Shadows now..
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