YTSEJAM Digest 3659
Today's Topics:
1) pick of the list
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) crack babies
by "subtlerage" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
3) Re: Help! Which CD's (NDTC)
by Christian Morency <anakinsolo@geocities.com>
4) portnoy & aol im
by Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
5) Re: Help! Which CD's (NDTC)
by Christian Morency <anakinsolo@geocities.com>
6) Shadow Gallery con carne
by Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
7) Re: Help! Which CD's (NDTC)
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
8) Live at the Marquee
by Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva <bre15253@datasul.com.br>
9) Re: Shadow Gallery con carne
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
10) Re: pick of the list
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
11) CD recommendations, Glass Hammer
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
12) DTDtdtetc
by Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3658
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
14) Stratovarius AVI, which CD's
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
15) Re: What's up with Derek?
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:33:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: pick of the list
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980320142746.18688H-100000@bdmserver>
>Altura - Mercy
Some consider a DT clone. I don't get it. Good band though. You should
get this.
>Anekdoten or anglagard
>Everon - Paradox/the flood/venus
never heard them
>Lemur voice - insights
Good stuff. You should get this.
>Liquid Tension Experement (probably know enough about this already)
Haven't heard this except during the pre DT set at their shows.
Definitely get it 6th.
>Royal Hunt - Paradox
Great band. If you like SG get this 5th.
>Shadow Gallery - Carved in stone/shadow gallery/Tyranny
Definitely get Carved in Stone as your 3rd pick
Some consider them cheesy, I dont get it.
>Symphony X - Any CD
Buy Divine Wings... as your 2nd buy
Great.
>Vanden Plas - Any CD
never heard them
>Savatage - Wake of magellan
Savatage is always required. Get this 4th.
>Angra - Holy Land (definately getting this)
Defintiely should be your first buy.
Some consider them a DT clone. I disagree, they are like night and day.
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:48:20 +0000
From: "subtlerage" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: crack babies
Message-ID: <199803201948.LAA24075@germany.it.earthlink.net>
http://www.paranoia.com/drugs/stories/comix/crack-babies/c-babies.html
-Andrew Miller - subtlerage@subtlerage.com - http://www.subtlerage.com -
-"BAH!" - Anonymous
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:54:42 -0500
From: Christian Morency <anakinsolo@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Help! Which CD's (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3512C980.60BF0E1B@geocities.com>
Hi,
> Lemur voice - insights
Quite okay... I've bought the album, the guitarist is quite good... now
I wished the singer had a better pronouciation...
> Royal Hunt - Paradox
I've heard only one song but it was excellent... damn I wished I could
buy their cds... but there are not available here in the province of
Qu=E9bec...
> Shadow Gallery - Carved in stone/shadow gallery/Tyranny
Top One.. I have paid 35$ cdn for it and have not regret it, it's one of
the best record I have ever bought !!!
> Savatage - Wake of magellan
Actually, Savatage was a Glimmer Rock band gone Prog/Metal... Their Dead
Winter Dead was a top one, I've heard that WOM is better... I hope to
hear it soon..
> Anything not listed above but is in the same genre.
Enchant : Wounded : Excellent, a little bit pop with prog... a bit like
rush but not... quite difficult to say. the singer has a Jon Anderson
kind of voice, but not as "high" as Jon.
Fates Warning : APSOG is quite Good / Hope you know them !!!
Magellean : A Test of Wills : WOW !!! very weird but awesome !
Tempest : Celtic / Irish Prog !!! very weird also
Threshold : Their latest : Extincs intents or something like that is
excellent quite DT - Like... Psychadelitessen is excellent also.
Stratovarius : Quite Helloweenish... but quite good also : Check for
Visions...
Heaven's Cry : Food for Thought Substitute : From Montreal... well a mix
of Queensryche / Rush / Metallica and Dream Theater... Quite good for a
first album... I have never regret that one.
Well that's about my picks...
Best regards
Chris
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:56:07 EST
From: Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: portnoy & aol im
Message-ID: <d4dc9df5.3512c9d9@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-17 09:34:07 EST, you write:
<< well, he posted it to the jam, so if you were a religeous reader you would
know =]
your loss
Rocky >>
well excuse me i missed it. i am sorry. but i do not go on-line that often and
when i do i have about 20 or so jams. so excuse me if i don't have the
patience to sit down and read all of them
Angella
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:13:07 -0500
From: Christian Morency <anakinsolo@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Help! Which CD's (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3512CDD3.E5259A15@geocities.com>
Hi,
Damn, forgot Tad Morose : A Mended Rhyme : Excellent stuff, I wished the
cd was better mixed... they are from sweden... strangely the beginning
of one the song's keyboard solo is quite similar to one of DT in Falling
Into infinity... guess one was looking over the other's shoulder *eg* or
the Muses mixed inspiration for Tad Morose's keyboardist and Derek
Sherinian.
About Tad Morose : Any cd with a song about fantasy stuff and sci-fi is
okay with me... and having a song about Alien (the movie) is a great
thing IMHO
Best regards
Chris
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:14:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Shadow Gallery con carne
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980320135415.1611B-100000@grover.eecs.uic.edu>
Yo.
I was surprised to read on the Jam that some people consider SG a bit
cheesy, esp. because of the vocals. I didn't get that impression from
"Carved in Stone" at all I think the vocals are clear and strong, and he
never strays from his range. He's no JLB, but I think he's very competent
and pleasant.
Something that does bother me a bit is how the backing vocals are mixed.
They're very light and airy, making them seem weak. If these guys can
actually sing, I'd make sure the next album is produced differently.
Also, the kick drums and bass lack the punch that is expected from a
contemporary CD (i.e. FII!), which makes the music a bit flat.
I really like the CD, though; the lyrics are good and there's just enough
"musical masturbation" to keep me happy. =]
I haven't heard their eponymous 1st album. Same lineup? Same style?
How's the production? Anyone know?
Take care.
Glenn
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L. Glenn Waterfield
"Call for your physics "And so we find once again that the evil of
reading today!" the past seeps into the present, like salad
dressing through cheap waxed paper - mixing
Argonne National Lab memory and desire." --The Tick
Waterfield@anl.gov
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:24:08 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Help! Which CD's (NDTC)
Message-ID: <v01540b00b138700cd32d@[205.134.227.20]>
Chris Livingstone <chris.livingstone@wolfson.co.uk> wrote;
>2) Any opinions/recomendations on the following CD's/bands or if anyone was
>going to buy six of the following, which would they pick.
>Anekdoten or anglagard
Anekdoten is a prog band with vocals (dinosaur) from Sweden (disbanded in
1995 I believe. They have only two albums VEMOD and NUCLEUS. Vemod is very
King Crimson-like (in the John Wetton era not he double trio era) with
heavy mellotron but Nucleus is heavier. I like Vemod better.
Angragard is from Sewden as well. Disbanded a while ago. I heard that
they're trying to form the band again but I do not know when. Angragard has
2 studio albums out "Hybris" and "Epilog". Both albums are almost
instrumental, very King Crimson'like with Van Der Graaf Generator in the
dark mood. Epilog is easier to get into for the new listener. They have the
live album out a while ago but I do not have it. Angragard has 3 mellotron
players, very heavy mellotron if you like this kind of sound. Both of
Angragard and Anekdoten played at the Progfest'94 in LA. If you want to see
their live video, it's in the Progfest'94 video. Really cool!
For others I think other jammers will answer your questions better than I do.
Take care,
AE
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"Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:42:38 -0300
From: Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva <bre15253@datasul.com.br>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Live at the Marquee
Message-ID: <E093B0819442D111AD45002048089A6FDE90A0@itapoa.datasul.com.br>
Ytsejammers, here's a little tech question...
Does anybody knows if "Live at the Marquee" CDs has overdubs or it was
released as it was played and recorded live at The Marquee Club on that
April 23rd, 1993 night???
Parffit
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:51:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery con carne
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980320144000.25066A-100000@short-eared.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Glenn Waterfield wrote:
[about Shadow Gallery]
> I haven't heard their eponymous 1st album. Same lineup? Same style?
> How's the production? Anyone know?
As I understand it, their first album was never really intended to be more
than just a demo, but Magna Carta was just starting up and needed
something they could release. The production isn't great, but it's not
terrible either. The biggest problem is the drums - they didn't have a
drummer, so they used a drum machine. The only other lineup difference is
that Gary Wehrkamp hadn't joined yet.
As for style, it's not as polished as CiS, but it's basically the same
sort of stuff. There are a few places where it's a bit too random and
meandering for my taste, but most of it is still pretty interesting.
Definitely worth checking out if you like CiS.
Mark McEuen
mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:02:31 +1100
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: pick of the list
Message-ID: <3512D967.40801CB2@sydney.net>
Pat Daugherty wrote:
> >Angra - Holy Land (definately getting this)
> Defintiely should be your first buy.
> Some consider them a DT clone. I disagree, they are like night and day.
ROTFL, whoever thinks that Angra are DT clones seriously needs
to seek immediate professional help.
graham :)
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:12:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CD recommendations, Glass Hammer
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980320154440.11698B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Chris wants to know:
> 2) Any opinions/recomendations on the following CD's/bands or if anyone was
> going to buy six of the following, which would they pick.
> Lemur voice - insights
Buy this immediately. Outstanding compositions with ridiculous time shifts
and some great sweeping and tapping from guitarist Marcel Coenen (hi,
Marcel!). Keyboardist Franck Faber shines with an excellent mix of sounds
(and is actually audible! Wow!). Vocalist Gregoor van der Loo has a
floating, cloudlike tenor with very little vibrato and a unique tone. Very
good stuff.
> Liquid Tension Experement (probably know enough about this already)
After all the positive reviews here, you need more confirmation? Go get it
already! :)
> Shadow Gallery - Carved in stone/shadow gallery/Tyranny
"Carved in Stone" is one of my favorite albums, due mainly to the strong
presence of walls of synth and piano in the songs. Plenty of shredding
from guitarists Gary Wehrkamp and Brendt Allman (hi, Brendt!). Lyrics are
very thought-provoking in places and the choral vocals are excellent. The
20-minute "Ghostship" is an absolute masterpiece. The key word for Shadow
Gallery is "atmosphere" -- they've got it in spades. Brendt has warned
fans to stay away from the self-titled debut till it's rereleased with
better sound; I haven't heard it but "Carved in Stone" is well worth
picking up.
> Symphony X - Any CD
Heavy heavy sound, neoclassical shredding from monster guitarist Michael
Romeo and equally monstrous keyboardist Michael Pinnella, a vocalist
reminiscent of Ronnie James Dio but with a style that's uniquely his, cool
fantasy- and medieval-inspired lyrics, outstanding musicianship and
compositions, VICIOUS time and rhythm shifts....can you tell I like this
band a lot? "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" and "The Damnation Game" are
must-haves, and I haven't picked up "Twilight in Olympus" yet, but
everyone who has it already is raving about it too.
> Angra - Holy Land (definately getting this)
Angra mixes Brazilian rhythms with heavy metal, orchestration, strings,
and layers of keyboards for a very unique sound. Call it
speed-classical-progressive metal. Andre Matos has one of the strongest
voices you will hear anywhere. "Holy Land" and "Angels Cry" are both worth
picking up; "Holy Land" is more experimental and blends more orchestration
and choirs into the mixture, while "Angels Cry" is more straightforward
speed metal but still excellent.
On a somewhat related note, everyone who likes keyboard-heavy prog with
great production, an epic story, and excellent vocals needs to go out and
get Glass Hammer's newest concept album "On To Evermore". A more detailed
review will be forthcoming next week when I have some time; till then,
check out http://www.glasshammer.com/ for more info.
Ta,
Phil
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Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
Currently playing: Glass Hammer -- "On To Evermore"
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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:11:31 +0200
From: Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DTDtdtetc
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980320221131.0066423c@mbox.sci.fi>
Hiya hippies ! Hmm..right.
This was good:
>But, hell, fuck us! I say the band chooses what they want to do. :) I'd
>rather see them obtain unrestrained creative freedom and write what they
>want whether or not anyone else likes it. I'd just like to see them all
>driving Ferraris next year, too, cuz they deserve it, IMO.
This is so true, I tell you. DT deserves it all, they've worked so
hard with their instruments and I hate to watch all these Green Day's
who don't know shit about what they're playing getting all the damn
awards and stuff. It is so wrong ! And bands should never have to
fight about the artistic freedom, it should be self-evident. This damn
money runs too many things in this world.
Anyway, blahblah. Now that I'm here again, I thought I could write
something else too. (Like you would be interested)
I am in 10th heaven seeing DT again and I tell you I could've listened
to them play for days or weeks in a row ! I'll never get tired of them.
I noticed that they've changed a lot on stage since the first time
they played in Finland ('95). They seemed more relaxed on stage now
and somehow bigger. Of course, they are bigger now than 3 years ago.
And I was really happy to notice that they had a long set (over two
hours). I think if they came all the way here they should play as much
as possible. But still we missed so many good songs..(tell me a bad
DT song and I'll see to it myself, that you have a different opinion
in two seconds !!).
Did anyone tape the show complitely (video/cassette) ? A friend of
mine taped half of it on video, but I'd love to get the whole show !!
Please mail me if any of you have it, I'm sure we can make a trade
or something. I'm also interested in photographs, I have lots of
pics of DT and other bands. Just got my Lions share pics, still waiting
to get those Portnoy/Petrucci clinic pics.
Another thing that I found interesting was that the LTE sold out here
in a few days..now I just have to wait almost two weeks to get a copy
of that ! I'm really glad that people listen to good music here,
though there's still lots of work to be done with the rest of those
who've taken the wrong path..
I know I had something more interesting than this to write here,
but my memory did the tricks again..
Hey, I would LOVE if DT played some songs from Winter Rose live
some day, but that's never gonna work out !! (HINTHINT..)
Or LTE and other projects.
But heyheymymy, rock'n'roll will never die..(where'd this come from ?!)
Satu
satu.reunanen@sci.fi
"Blondes have more fun"..really ?! (Where's my brains ?!)
(Note:The writer of this message is a blonde who sometimes
wonders where her brains are..as you've probably noticed !
And I'm not drunk, just on a Friday mood and listening to
.she was dancing through the night above his bed......)
PS: Mape ! You shouldn't write those reviews 'cos if you wrote a bad
review, people could go out and have a riot 'cos they thought
the record was that bad !! You're exxtreme, maaaan!! =)
What a writer the world has lost in you !
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:03:08 EST
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3658
Message-ID: <9d005ac2.3512f5ae@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-20 14:22:11 EST, Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
writes:
<< so a 30 min. prog monster (Met II)
would stick out and kill the flow of the album. >>
Well, just keep it 30 min. and put it at the end of the album. That way
people that don't like it can just hit stop when it comes up. I won't be one
of the people hitting stop; more like skip to the last song. And stop saying
shorten Met II. If the DT guys are reading the jam, I don't want them to get
any ideas of shortening the song. It's not a "hey we're still prog" song.
It's a "hey, we do what we want to do" song. I think it is brilliant of them
to put it on an album. That makes their next album an automatic classic and
insuring good sales to established DT fans. Sure, I want it faster, but I
want DT to appease the record company also so they can CONTINUE TO MAKE ALBUMS
UNTIL I DIE.
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 08:44:28 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stratovarius AVI, which CD's
Message-ID: <35CC3A1B.799FC77E@geocities.com>
Hi there jammanoids!
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> From: Chris Livingstone <chris.livingstone@wolfson.co.uk>
> Subject: stratovarious avi/CD-R questions
>
> A couple of jams back, somebody was talking about a stratovarious avi file for
> kiss of judas, is the file too big for email ? I would love to see it. Also,
YES, it is HUGE. It's about 100Mb. The video quality is not the best
possible, but the audio is CD quality, so that's why the file is so big.
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> From: Chris Livingstone <chris.livingstone@wolfson.co.uk>
> Subject: Help! Which CD's (NDTC)
> Shadow Gallery - Carved in stone/shadow gallery/Tyranny
I have "Carved in Stone", and from what I've noticed, it's a "love it"
or "hate it" CD. Some say there's too much cheesy lyrics (I agree with
them someway :) ), but I really like the album. It's not heavy at all,
with some rare exceptions. The vocalist has a pretty good voice, and the
keyboards are awesome. The over 20 minutes song "Ghostship" is amazing.
> Symphony X - Any CD
GET "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" !!! And I mean it. It's really
great!!! Cool vocals, incredible guitar playing, perfect mix of heavy
guitar rhythm sections and clean melodic interludes. And all that in
only one song (the title one). The rest is just as cool as it gets. :)
> Vanden Plas - Any CD
I don't know them... but listening to the .MP3 from "The Rainmaker" (I
think that's it) I got from Dr. Mosh's site, I really did not like the
vocals. The rest is pretty cool.
> Savatage - Wake of magellan
What are you waiting for? This is a kick ass CD!!! IMO the best of
1997, along with DT's FII. It's quickly turning into my favorite Sava
album. You have to listen to it to know, it's very difficult to
describe.
BTW, I'm just a couple of minutes away from leaving to Savatage's
tonight show. YEAH!!! :)
> Angra - Holy Land (definately getting this)
Nice choice! Really great album. You should also check "Angel's Cry" -
a little different from HL, heavier and faster. Both are very good, IMO,
and I couldn't pick which one is better.
> Anything not listed above but is in the same genre.
Have you already got Superior's "Behind"??? If not, don't wait any
longer.
-- []'s /********************************************\ | Marcelo Vanzin | | vanzin@geocities.com | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ | \********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:32:33 EST From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: What's up with Derek? Message-ID: <6b8ad5fd.3512fcbb@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-20 11:28:08 EST, you write:
<< you all seem to be up to all those static-minded people around here... >>
are you posting to the right 'jam??? =]
<<<<People -DT fans!- keeps telling Derek would be guilty of being the cause of the FII pop-oriented resault!!!!>>>>
i said it before, and i'll say it again, i think Derek adds something to dream theater that kevin moore never could, i love kev, and i was devestated when i heard he left, but something about dereks playing and writing just makes me like dream theater ever more than i did before, and i can say its not POP- oriented, and i'm glad you don't think so, or i'd have to fly to italy and put that boot of a country in yo ass! =]
just kiddin, don't yell at me, Rocky
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