YTSEJAM Digest 3672
Today's Topics:
1) Short songs vs. Long Songs.
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <jkube@cyberportal.net>
2) poseurs
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
3) Geezer lives in Fidel's new house
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
4) Re: Dt at Jaxx
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
5) Re: Misc. Stuff
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) Summer Tour?!?
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
7) Berzerker!
by someone@prognosis.com
8) Bahr stuff...
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
9) Re: Summer Tour?!?
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
10) the whole Nazi shit business
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
11) new Maiden
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
12) Manson
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
13) Re: the whole Nazi shit business
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Oh where, oh where are you Mike Bahr? ;-)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
15) Castronovo (NDTC)
by Bobby Tufino <slime64@ibm.net>
16) Hello from the SOY BOMB-er
by Portnoy420 <Portnoy420@aol.com>
17) Superior crack (NDTC)
by Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3671
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
19) Dean C
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:18:52 -0500
From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Short songs vs. Long Songs.
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980324221852.007a84b0@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Well, it's certainly been a long time since I have posted to the jam. But
here goes (cracking fingers)
I have to say that these 30 second songs suck. To repeat the same line
over and over again, REALLY sucks. Don't get me wrong, if a band wants to
play something really cool and make it 30 seconds or 1 minute long, I will
like it, but I must say..I'd be really disappointed that there wasn't more.
Now, the Dead Kennedies just suck. Plain in simple IMHO. What a waste of
studio time and tapes and CD's!
Now for Long Songs. I really didn't like long songs until I got into
Dream Theater. Typically speaking, anything over 7 minutes is long to me.
The "average" song is about 3:30-5:00 long. What I do like to see is what
Fates Warning did on APSOG. They divided the album into parts. I wish
that DT had done that on ACOS. That way, I could easily switch to my
favorite parts. Don't get me wrong, I love the whole song.. but I like to
hear some parts more than others.
later, J
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:19:57 -0700
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: poseurs
Message-ID: <000501bd579c$e4ed17e0$312746cf@sir.micron.net>
>What is Manson like? Looks like a more fucked up version of NIN to
>me...Any musical value?
*snicker* I'll answer this one. Marylin Manson believes that everyone
should strive to be different, because "normality" isn't cool.
(<----normality isn't cool. hehehehe) Of course they then proceed to play
music that involves nothing more than 3 power chords played over and over
and over and over, proving to everyone except the brain-deads that listen to
them, that they are extremely normal, as far as the music biz goes. I
apologize to all the MM fans out there, but even Nirvana could right a
catchy tune. I don't think I've ever hated a band more than MM. They can't
play, they can't write, they're hypocrites, and, oh yea, they worship Satan.
Yummy.
yea, yea, I know. I need to stop sugar coating my thoughts. I didn't want
to offend anyone.
Get high on ether when there's no one in the house.
Pretend it's the big one the moment you pass out.
That's just rehearsal, but it's comforting somehow
To practice dying now.
woot™
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:25:19 -0500
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Geezer lives in Fidel's new house
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980325032519.006f8610@pop.pipeline.com>
El Medico del Mosh dijo:
>He played in Neal Schon's band, Hardline... more of an AOR type rock band,
>but some of his most impressive stuff is on Tony MacAlpine's Maximum Security.
>He also played on tour with Geezer Butler... I still kick myself for missing
>that...
In my oh-so-humble opinion, you missed nothing. I saw Geezer open for
Bruce Dickinson/Adrian Smith, and he/they (Geezer) sucked. If you like watching
some running-suit clad punk rap/singing/chanting over monotonous music,
I stand corrected. Castronovo was big, but there wasn't much he could do
for Geezer's one-note material.
CD of the Day: LTE - LTE
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
37-19-14 vs. Anaheim Mighty Ducks
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:34:46 EST
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dt at Jaxx
Message-ID: <216c0e05.35187b58@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-24 17:06:59 EST, you write:
<< They played Jaxx on Jan. 3....the only reason I'm sure of this is becuase I
was in Virginia for Xmas, but moved to LA on Jan. 2.....The airline couldn't
switch the ticket, I missed the show, and I couldn't have been more bummed.
-Kyle
>>
Your bumming is justified, Kyle. IMO, this was a great show, which is why, in
my original post, I was asking for any tape that might be available. Please,
I know someone taped this show. Please let me know.
Thanks,
Kez
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:28:48 -0700
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Misc. Stuff
Message-ID: <01bd579e$2018fe00$1f0d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
On Deen Castranovo (Or however you speel it)
>He played in Neal Schon's band, Hardline... more of an AOR type rock band,
>but some of his most impressive stuff is on Tony MacAlpine's Maximum
Security.
He also played on the two Bad English CDs and on (if I remember right) Marty
Friedman's Dragon's Kiss album. He's pretty good, but he ain't Yoda.
As for Hardline being AOR, they used to play that all the time at dances in
Jr. High. I have that album and love it. :) I'd say it leans more toward
the glam/cheese-rock vein. I always think of Celine Dion as AOR, tho. Neal
Schon can almost pass for Yoda. BTW, Journey's also got a new (yes another)
live greatest hits album for anyone interested. Produced by our man Kevin
Shirley. I still have yet to pick it up, but it's basically all the songs
on the studio greatest hits album.
--KorgX3
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:39:41 EST
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Summer Tour?!?
Message-ID: <216c0e08.35187c80@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-24 17:06:59 EST, you write:
<< Now I just read that the summer tour will be Deep Purple, ELP, and DT...
I read it from some Canadian radio metal program news email list. >>
Does anybody else think this SUCKS, if it's true? We might get a 45 minute
set, if we're lucky. Give me DT in a small club, for 2 hours, please!!!!
Like JAXX again!!!!!
Kez
NP - DT - 'Lost Without You' MP3
Does anybody else think the new Winamp skins are pretty cool??
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:20:37 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Berzerker!
Message-ID: <199803250417.WAA25631@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
> Question. Who has drummer Dean Castronovo worked with ? Which CD's
> should I get to hear more of his prog/fusion playing ? He ROCKS on
> Working Man !! I mean DAMN, he's a hot one !!
Let's see.... Wild Dogs, Cacophony (on "Go Off"), Marty Friedman's
Dragon's Kiss, Hardline, Tony MacAlpine (on "Maximum Security" and I
believe also on "Premonition") Vai ("Alien Love Secrets") Ozzy, Joey
Tafolla ("Infra Blue"... this is where most of the tunes on his video
come from) Working Man, James Murphy ("Convergence") and I KNOW I'm
missing some there... that's just from memory. On the Sonar page it
says he's with "Vasco Rossi." Anyone know who/what this is?
> From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
> As for Germans not having a sense of humour about this: My best friend is
> German (loves jokes) but if I was stupid enough to say something like that,
> (even) as a joke, I'd expect to be laid flat on my back with a very sore jaw .
Is your best friend a German dental school student too? What a
coincidence! Actually, I'm German (and Hungarian, and Slovak, and
Spanish, and Irish, and Welsh, and Scottish, and ... just call me
Eurotrash) and I wouldn't take offense to that.
I think people just have to know when to draw the line with Race
jokes. You can't insult the intelligence of an entire race
(especially one that is regularly besmirched, like African or Jewish
people) and not expect to get a very negative response. However, I
find that I can insult the intelligence of a large group of people,
from many races, with little or no effect. I'm doing it right now.
That's right... you're not learning anything from this post.
Nothing. And brain cells are dying. Stare at the background of this
message until your eyes blur, and I may be able to injure you with
this message too. Try it. You've already gone this far.
Crack. Smoke it. Love it. Live it.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:25:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bahr stuff...
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980324222327.41904D-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
What happened to Bahr? Some guy posted that he moved to Tasmania and that
he lost the Stream of Consciousness master....is this true? What will
happen to all of us that ordered SoC? Hope you are reding this Mike...
Mauricio
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:30:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Summer Tour?!?
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980324222613.41904E-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Yes, i think this SUCKS. First of all, because i have seen DP with Morse
twice here in Monterrey (Sometime around 1994, and in Feb this year)
and i havent seen DT, so i wouldnt want to spend all of my savings on the
trip just to see DT playing a 45 minute set, or 4 songs for that matter.....
Does anybody know if DT will do a tour alone in the US before joining DP and
ELP for this summer tour? They oughta do it....
Mauricio
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, KEZCOM wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-03-24 17:06:59 EST, you write:
>
> << Now I just read that the summer tour will be Deep Purple, ELP, and DT...
> I read it from some Canadian radio metal program news email list. >>
>
> Does anybody else think this SUCKS, if it's true? We might get a 45 minute
> set, if we're lucky. Give me DT in a small club, for 2 hours, please!!!!
> Like JAXX again!!!!!
>
> Kez
>
> NP - DT - 'Lost Without You' MP3
> Does anybody else think the new Winamp skins are pretty cool??
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:48:17 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the whole Nazi shit business
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980324234816.00725be8@maila.wm.edu>
>>
I'm sorry, but I have to comment on how I think this is a completely
inappropriate response, Graham. What if Glenn is Jewish and takes exception
to a German band naming themselves 'Superior'? What if he's not joking?
<snip>
-Nicholas >>
And what is it about the fact that it's a German band with this name that
makes it such an issue, anyway? Admit, that if it were another country,
this whole issue wouldn't have come up, the joke-or-non-joke aside. It
would never have surfaced. First of all, the band in all probability meant
absolutely nothing by it. Secondly, it's a good illustration of the
immediate association most people have with the word "German." Give it a
rest. This is a highly charged issue, and this is the YTSEJAM, not the
editorial section of the NEW YORK TIMES, for goodness' sake.
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:06:04 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new Maiden
Message-ID: <199803250504.VAA20845@odin.ax.com>
Anybody heard the new Maiden yet? I almost got it today, but didn't
since I want to hear some reviews first.
Dale R. Newberry
drnewb@spiff.net
Q. What did the elephant say to the naked man?
A. How do you breathe through that thing?
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:36:02 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Manson
Message-ID: <351897C2.2030CEC5@ameritech.net>
> What is Manson like? Looks like a more fucked up version of NIN to
> me...Any musical value?
Personally, I think they're awful. But of course, that's just my
opinion.
- Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:31:41 -0700
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: the whole Nazi shit business
Message-ID: <01bd57af$4a7951c0$1f0d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
>immediate association most people have with the word "German." Give it a
>rest. This is a highly charged issue, and this is the YTSEJAM, not the
>editorial section of the NEW YORK TIMES, for goodness' sake.
No kidding. To me it ain't a big deal. I take nothing personally and take
everything in stride, for better or worse. What's more, is I actually take
delight in inflicting pain on people who do take everything personally.
Let's not keep inflating this deal before I change my nick to CyberHitler
and start posting things on here that'll make 99% of you beg for Skadz to
crucify me.
Let's get back to the music.
--KorgX3
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:42:39 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Oh where, oh where are you Mike Bahr? ;-)
Message-ID: <3518994F.3F826003@ameritech.net>
>This is just a little note to all of you who have Mike Bahr's "Stream >Of Consciousness" on the way. I just wanted to let you know that he >lost the master and has moved to Tasmania. So all of you who have discs >on order will just be out of that money.
Tasmania? Now I had heard he packed his bags and moved to somewhere in
the Ukraine. Other sources allegedly spotted him somewhere on the dark
side of the moon.
Well, it doesn't matter, either way I guess we're screwed. ;-)
- Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:38:09 -0500
From: Bobby Tufino <slime64@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Castronovo (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3518A650.459AC959@ibm.net>
To the guy that was wondering about Deen Castronovo, he actually did
play drums on the actual albums (G//Z/R-Plastic Planet and geezer-black
science) by Geezer Butler, as well as played live on the tours (I think
he played live). I didn't see them live, but I was lucky enough to see
Ozzy in Chile I think...2 or 3 years ago or so...before Ozzmosis came
out, I believe...anyway on the Monsters of Rock South America tour, Deen
played drums (btw, Geezer was on bass and Joe Holmes on guitar).
Although I was pretty impressed by Joe Holmes (he sounded to me like a
modern day version of Randy--but not quite), Castronovo impressed me the
most, because, obviously he played well, kind of put his own sound into
Ozzy's stuff, and also he was aggressive as FUCK, very energetic, great
drummer. If that weren't enough, as we all know MP said that if a
drummer had to replace him in DT he'd want Deen...MP knows best, IMHO.
Later 'jammers.
Oh yeah one other thing. Any of you bass players on the jam heard of a
sick bastard by the name of Steve DiGiorgio? Damn...check out his work
with Sadus (esp. A Vision of Misery) and also with Death (Human,
Individual Thought Patterns, upcoming "The Sound of Perseverance"), plus
I understnad he'll be on James Murphy's next solo record. A fretless
player on Death Metal albums...incredible shit.
Bobby (drowning in lakes of slime)
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:04:05 EST
From: Portnoy420 <Portnoy420@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: jsager@rsabbs.com/dt
Subject: Hello from the SOY BOMB-er
Message-ID: <c04d2560.3518ac67@aol.com>
Hey all,
Mike here......
Yes, I have received all of the kind emails from all of you since my "coming
out" a few weeks back...I should have time to answer some of them sometime in
the next century or so..... : )
A few things:
A) A few people have mentioned that the German LTE CD's have spaces throughout
3MW which therefore makes it DEFECTIVE!!
This is a total bummer for me as well, and I have spoken to the guys at Magna
Carta who are freaking.....They are recalling the whole run and re-pressing
the CD.
I believe if you have the original, they will exchange your copy for the
proper version through the mail.....check with them through their web-site....
B) I will have confirmations on our summer plans in the next week or so, but I
can say that what we have PENCILED in is:
1. headlining Europe through April
2. some select headlining shows in the US in May
3. European festivals in June
4. opening slot for Deep Purple in the US through August & September
afterwards, I think it will be time to start thinking of the next
recording........
As things get confirmed, I'll pass them along.
C) here's a crazy one for ya......I'm finishing up turning my basement into a
rehearsal / recording studio.
Marlene & I are using all of the banners that fans have made & I have
collected through the years....my problem is, I am covering the walls,
ceiling, etc and have run out of banners...
Your mission if you choose to accept it....if you are coming to any of our
European shows in April (or any shows in the future for that matter...) make a
banner and toss it up on stage for me at the end of the show....
I'll use it in my studio & maybe even post a picture of it to you all when
it's done...
That's all the news that's fit to print for the time being....
c-y'all on the road,
Carpe Diem
Mike Portnoy
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:30:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Superior crack (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980325004226.27245A-100000@grover.eecs.uic.edu>
Hi Jammers!
Son of a bitch, where was that _sarcasm_ button when I needed it? Someone
said email isn't the perfect medium, and they were right. It was just a
joke. I still don't take it that seriously. It wasn't even _my_
joke. Geez, I'm 60% German and I thought it was damn funny. I'm really
sorry, guys.
As for the actual band named "Superior", I'd like to give my impressions
for those who haven't heard them (I got my CD from impulsemusic.com).
At first, the name "Superior" seemed a bit pretentious to me, but that
pretty much told me that they were a prog band. They're essentially a
metal band with strong piano a great bass guitar presence that gives the
album a lot of power. I think about 1/2 of the songs on "Behind" are
great, while the other 1/2 are so-so. My main complaint is that there are
too few guitar solos. I mean real guitar solos. There's a neat intro to
"Tomorrow's Eve" and there's one song with a solo that was just GORGEOUS
(can't place it right now), and I always wait for the rest of the album to
live up to it. It seems like the lead guitar player is holding back for
some reason, and I think this is the band where some showmanship would
really pay off.
As for the vocalist (I'm very picky here), he has a wonderful midrange
voice, and a great low range that many forget to add to their arsenal. He
almost makes you think you can sing along. Then (as on "Tainted
Silence") he breaks out the heavy-metal-high-range that reminds you that
he's a professional and you're not. He also has the best enunciation of
any non-native-English speaking vocalist I've heard in a long time.
Bottom line: if you're looking for prog, tread carefully. If you're
looking for metal done very well, I highly recommend it. (These guys just
embarrass Helloween, IMHO)
BTW, this is the LAST of this "Nazi" crap thread on the Jam (all of two
days?). I you have any more petty, knee-jerk bitching, send it to ME.
Geez, people. We're too young to be this uptight.
Peace!
Glenn
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L. Glenn Waterfield
"Call for your physics "Six 'Peace' McNuggets" -- Fast food giant
reading today!" McDonald's recently opened a restaurant in it's
101st country. No two countries having a
Argonne National Lab McDonald's have ever gone to war with each other.
Waterfield@anl.gov
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:32:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3671
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980325022552.111382A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
NO SHIT !!! I saw this guy with Extreme and I was COMPLETELY blown
> away....talk about limb independance !! I've never seen a drum kit like
> his either !
I have a boot of Extreme @ Donnington w/him and his solo is damn
impressive. Too bad he wasn't with the band from the start.
> This is just a little note to all of you who have Mike Bahr's "Stream Of =
> Consciousness" on the way.
Out of curiosity, what # is order?
> He played in Neal Schon's band, Hardline... more of an AOR type rock band,
> but some of his most impressive stuff is on Tony MacAlpine's Maximum Security.
> He also played on tour with Geezer Butler... I still kick myself for missing
> that...
>
> I'm not too keen on what else he has played on.
He was also the drummer for Bad English (you know, the "When I See You
Smile" band). A damn fine player that is from the same school of chops as
MP.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:15:53 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dean C
Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34124A850@ms.kallback.com>
> Question. Who has drummer Dean Castronovo worked with ? Which CD's
> should I get to hear more of his prog/fusion playing ? He ROCKS on
> Working Man !! I mean DAMN, he's a hot one !!
I think the question should be: Who HASN'T Dean Castonovo worked with?
:)
I swear I could not throw a rock at my cd collection without hitting
something
he has drummed on. Especially, if I threw it at the Shrapnel section.
Didn't he also drum for Damn Yankees?
What is he, some kind of drum whore? :) Does he stand at the freeway
offramp
with a sign that says: "Will drum for anyone?" :)
He must be good if everybody wants him.
Kind of like Levin on bass.
Sorry, I'm rambling,
Trevor
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