YTSEJAM Digest 3675
Today's Topics:
1) The Spirit of Radio (to Damon)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
2) Innocence Faded
by "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
3) Fav DT song & 2nd Fav group
by "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
4) Re: BRUFORD/LEVIN AND PROJEKT 2 ON MTV!!!!!
by "Dan Ketterick" <ketterdv@flyernet.udayton.edu>
5) Re: Misc Stuff
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
6) Psychotic Waltz
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
7) Mape's Enuff already
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
8) manson fans
by Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
9) Jason Becker
by "Julia MacKenzie-Walsh" <jules.n.dessy@lineone.net>
10) Re: Derek & Manson
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
11) Greetings from Sunny Tasmania!!!
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
12) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Greetings from Sunny Tasmania!!!
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
13) Steve DiGiorgio sucks-a clarification
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
14) three jams behind, but i can predict one thing I'll see
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
15) What's up with the list?
by krackley@weidmuller.com
16) NEW YORK CITY!!!
by pud@pud.com
17) asdf
by FlatYer5s <FlatYer5s@aol.com>
18) Re: Saviour Machine & "Guitar Battle"
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
19) NDTC, Death
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3672
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
21) Re: Manson and SOD
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:31:26 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Spirit of Radio (to Damon)
Message-ID: <199803251831.NAA23472@tx.cs.wm.edu>
While catching up on jams, I came across Damon's post about my radio show...
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:22:51 -0500 (EST)
> From: Damon Fibraio <damon74@mh005.infi.net>
> Subject: Re: The Spirit of Radio...
>
>
> OK, as one who has done a prog rock show, i must throw in something here.
> Def Leopard and tesla? Are they prog? Or is this a mix of prog, metal, and
> prog metal? Chris, you know I think you are the man, and I hate to
> criticize, but ... what is this?
As I state on my web page, and tell the listeners during nearly every voice
break, The Spirit of Radio plays "...your favorite hard rock, heavy metal,
progressive rock, and progressive metal." I was originally planning on just
playing prog, but there were a few reasons why I decided against it. First,
two hours of just prog could bore even me. I'd hate to think of what my
limited amount of listeners would think. Second, and more importantly, I love
metal, and just plain old hard rock (like VH and Tesla) way too much to not
play them.
So, I try to play a healthy mix of everything each week. I generally play
something like 20% prog (like echolyn, Genesis, etc.), 30-40% prog-metal (like
DT, Enchant), 20-30% straight metal (like Megadeth, Anthrax, and stuff), and
the rest I fill up with what I simply think of as "good music," be it metal,
prog, rock, whatever. Hence the VH, DL, and Tesla.
So, don't worry that I'm selling prog short or anything. The goal all along
was to play a mix of stuff, and promote my favorite bands. When I first
started I knew how important it would be to support prog on my show, but after
one or two DJ meetings, I realized that it's critical just to support *music*.
Most of the shows on WCWM play some kind of electronic garbage or another,
and I felt it was equally important to support the work of all rock musicians.
Besides, I love 80s rock. I won't ever stop playing Mr. Big, Tesla,
Whitesnake, or any of the great stuff I grew up on in high school. :)
Thanks for your concern, Damon. :)
-d
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:56:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Innocence Faded
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980325135242.18850B-100000@alpha.dickinson.edu>
I was just spinning "Awake" last night, and had forgotten how much I like
"Innocence Faded," since it has been a while since I listened to this
album. Is it just me, or is the ending 1:26 section of the song THE
COOLEST ending to any song anyone has ever heard? I love it. It builds
with each phrase, and Petrucci's guitar work is outstanding. The only
other song ending I like as much is the ending to "Lakeside Park" by Rush.
What do others think?
Dave Campbell
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:59:24 -0500 (EST)
From: "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fav DT song & 2nd Fav group
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980325135608.18850C-100000@alpha.dickinson.edu>
OK, these threads have probably been done before, so if it is too
repetative, please ignore my request. If not, please answer the following
two questions:
1. What is your favorite DT song?
2. Assuming DT is your favorite band, what band would you choose as your
second favotite?
Please send these directly to me, and I'll post them later. Just thought
it might be interesting to get a picture of the list-serve in this way.
Dave Campbell
campbell@dickinson.edu
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:05:36 -0500
From: "Dan Ketterick" <ketterdv@flyernet.udayton.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: BRUFORD/LEVIN AND PROJEKT 2 ON MTV!!!!!
Message-ID: <199803251905.OAA0000018546@enterprise.udayton.edu>
I also caught Mtv's clip of the Bruford/Levin album!
I was hoping someone else was watching (it was 1:45 a.m. EST) and I
was glad to hear a sample of the album. Looks like yet another CD to
hunt relentlessly for; asking bewildered BestBuy clerks about "some
Bilbo Baggins and Levin Furniture album, or something"
Mtv surprised me this afternoon, also. They actually played a
Radiohead video -- "No Surprises", a wonderfully cynical tune.
--end rant--
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:22:43 +0300
From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Misc Stuff
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980325222243.0090e6c0@messagebox.com>
>Subject: Re: Misc. Stuff
>Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980325105539.27444A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
>
>On Deen Castronovo:
>>
>> I'm not too keen on what else he has played on.
>>
>
>
> I know that he ahs done stuff with Vai, and I'm pretty sure that
> he played with Vai on the G3 tour. At least I'm kinda sure he's
> on the credits for the Vai songs for the G3 album.
Wasn't that Mike Manchini who played for Vai on the G3?
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:13:27 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Psychotic Waltz
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980325141326.007167bc@maila.wm.edu>
>>By the way has anyone
out there heard a band called Psychotic Waltz? They're a kickass
prog-metal band out of CA...you should check them out if you get a
chance. Don't be expecting anything as complex or virtuosic as DT, but
they're great nonetheless...>>
Yeah, I've heard of them. They're really good, I like their stuff. It's
got some weird stuff going on, as far as the melody line or whatever, but I
really like it. Stamp of approval. (A)
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:28:13 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mape's Enuff already
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980325142813.0070b14c@maila.wm.edu>
Well, you hit the nail on the head, said everything I could have possibly
wanted to say. I hereby raise my hand! Ever onward with the jams...
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:44:31 -0500
From: Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: manson fans
Message-ID: <35195E9E.189E74FC@pop3.utoledo.edu>
Sorry to keep this going, but this'll be the last post on the subject.
I agree about the manson fans. about 99% seem to have their heads so
far up his ass
its not funny. I have all the Manson cd's, a few bootlegs, a boot-video,
and have been
to several shows. I also love DT, Nirvana, Tori Amos, Metallica, Rush,
Judas Priest, Zeppelin,
Clapton, Testament, NIN, Faith No More, Ice Cube, Foo Fighters, Sister
Machine Gun...you get the point. All the Manson-heads out there should
open up a bit and at
least admit to listening to other stuff. :-)
chris
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:24:26 -0000
From: "Julia MacKenzie-Walsh" <jules.n.dessy@lineone.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jason Becker
Message-ID: <199803252027.UAA31436@boober.lineone.net>
Hi, we are in the Uk and are very worried as we have not heard anything
about Jason Becker for some time. Can you spare a moment to tell us any
news/ give an alternative address.
My wife is also disabled and she idolises him.
jules.n.dessy@lineone.net
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:35:03 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Derek & Manson
Message-ID: <v01520d00b13ed4aab820@[207.90.118.241]>
>>Some Chris or whoever said:
>>IMO, Manson does indeed write good songs, and I think one DEREK SHERINIAN
>>will back me up on this one.
Then, Kevin Madden said:
>And Derek's approval is supposed to mean something about the musical integrity
>and/or quality? He played in *Kiss* for God's sake. Nothing lamer than
>supporting an argument by making the conclusion that because someone
>semi-famous
>likes it, it must be good. This is the kind of sheep-like behavior that keeps
>the testimonial form of advertising alive. "Well, if OJ endorses the Ginsu, it
>HAS to good!" Bah.
on the same note, just because someone (famous, semi-famous, or just
regular-joe)
says that something is *not* good, that doesn't mean the same for everybody.
i think manson has some good songs, and some good ideas concerning free speech.
and concerning anything, any music, i could care less who likes it or doesn't
like it when it comes to my opinion. it's kinda interesting that derek likes
manson, but that new found knowledge doesn't sway my opinion, nor do i think
that the aforementioned chris was saying that derek's opinion was his basis
for liking manson anyway.
just my thoughts...
Dan
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"The farmers in the Annapolis Valley are pleased to announce
that this year there will be an abundance of apples. This is
particularly good news because most of the farmers haven't
had a good crap in years." -Maryland TV Broadcaster
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:53:02 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Greetings from Sunny Tasmania!!!
Message-ID: <35196EAE.6AAB@goodnet.com>
No, I didn't move. :) And no, I didn't lose the SOC master, especially
considering I always keep backups at a separate location AND the fact
that some folks early in the list (Dan Tarquin, etc) have already
confirmed receipt of the set. :)
I haven't read much Jams lately, no time, you see. I missed the
original post.
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:26:01 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Greetings from Sunny Tasmania!!! Message-ID: <4A2565D2.007B03B6.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Tasmania sunny ? ROTFL :) Mike obviously hasn't been to Tasmania cos it dosen't get sunny there very often. Tassie is also the coldest state of Australia, or is there another Tasmania that I don't know about ?
graham
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:40:21 -0600 From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Steve DiGiorgio sucks-a clarification Message-ID: <l03130305b13f274b7095@[128.252.105.105]>
Hiya,
Didn't mean to offend you with thtis one ;-) I probably should have stated my argument a little better. I was excited by all of the hype on the jam about this great complex album. I was expecting some truly cool death metal (which is VERY hard to find-so far the only death metal I like is latter Sepultura which is like industrial death metal). What I got sounded like slop. The mix was horrible, The "carbonatted burp" (ROFLMAO) vocals were truly the worst that I had ever heard. And the playing was just unimpressive. The drums were so-so. Far to much emphasis on blast beats that go nowhere, the bass was sort of technical in places but he just never seemed to play anything that caught my ear. I can play most of what I heard on ITP as far a bass riffs go and this doesn't impress me. The guitars were just...there. The riffs were repeated far too often and the orchestrarion was just garbage. Death may be complex for a death metal album, but that is not saying very much. When I said that Morbid Thought's by Sepultura is better, well it is. While the playing/Lyrics/sound on Morbid Thoughts is trash (get your dog off of the mic kind of music-Coookie, I want cooookie_, at least it is more interesting to listen to than Death and Max Cavalera's voice finally improved inot something listenable, with some reasonable lyrics, and some kick ass songs. (everything on Roots). I guess I'm just bitter about Death because I was all worked up about it on the jam, bought it, and was so let down when my intestines jumped out and tried to strangle me to save me from the crap that came out of my CD player. I honestly count Death as the worst band I have ever heard (signed or not). Death is also the only recommendation from the jam that I have ever not liked. (I even loved Echolyn and Thought Industry ;-) Didn't mean to offend you or to imply that DiGiorgio couldn't play his instrument with some confidence. I'm just saying that I found nothing new or creative within Death's music or playing and that it just turned me off, fast.
Thanks, Seth
Seth Hatlelid srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:42:47 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: three jams behind, but i can predict one thing I'll see Message-ID: <19980325214247.20217.qmail@hotmail.com>
> Bobby (bathing in the poison as always) <--NOT the lame band
ok, so like the subject says, there's still a coupla jams to bve read in my in-box, but remembering johnny carson, let me pull out my great karnak (is that what his wizard act was? i don't remember him that well, i guess) hat and predict.....
ooooo, i see a post.....it's coming from.....vermont.....a guy named.....rivera.......
have at him, rich..... :)
partha
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:04:32 -0500 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: What's up with the list? Message-ID: <199803252204.RAA00094@mail.weidmuller.com>
Just wanted to know if the list is still up. I haven't received one in over 5 days. Just wondering.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:02:27 -0500 (EST) From: pud@pud.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NEW YORK CITY!!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980325170138.203C-100000@keys.com>
Jammerz -
Anyone in the NYC area looking for a Portnoy-ish drummer? I'm moving up there on Sunday and am looking for a band, or just somebody to jam with. A few people on ytsejam have seen me play and can vouch for me (right?!?!?). Let's here Let me know!
I also like: Faith No More, Type O Negative, Kyuss, Korn, Cypress Hill, Life Of Agony, Fear Factory, Notorious BIG, and others...
Email me at pud@pud.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:10:31 EST From: FlatYer5s <FlatYer5s@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: asdf Message-ID: <9d0cadc3.351980d9@aol.com>
Hi,
I would like to subscribe to ytsejam- I'd like my chosen user name to be PRSBerklee. Thanks!
-Dan Chernow
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:47:18 EST From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Saviour Machine & "Guitar Battle" Message-ID: <26bbfdd2.35198978@aol.com>
Howdy -
A couple of things this time...
First, I'm looking for some information on Saviour Machine. I have seen their name dropped several times on the Jam, so I hope that there are some of you out there who know more about these guys than I do. :-)
Based on recommendations on the Jam, and thanks to Jason Breitweg who was kind enough to include a track of theirs on a mix tape for me, I picked up the CD's of "Saviour Machine I" and "Saviour Machine II" and LOVE THEM!!! Awesome stuff.
Anyway, I found an unofficial website of theirs on the net, and they're talking about a CD called "Legend" and another on the way "Legend Part II". Also, they make reference to a "Live in Deutchland" CD (which I'd heard of before). I can't seem to find ANYONE online selling "Legend" or "Legend II". Can anyone help me out as to where I can get a hold of these discs?
Also, how is the "Deutchland" CD? Good quality? The track listing looks pretty awesome. Is there anywhere I can get it for relatively cheap? The one online store I checked (CDNow, I think) had it for like $30 or so. Thanks for your help.
And... in other news:
> I am having a hard time finding "Guitar Battle" with John Petrucci, George > Lynch, and others. I have looked in way too many Various bins. I now have > nightmares of the word Various and pictures of MTV CD's (well - the scantily > clad bikini babes made it a little more bearable). > Does anyone have this CD? Do you know where I can get it? I can't find it on > Online CD stores.
Thanks for jarring my memory on the title of this... it's been bothering me for weeks! :-) Anyway, I saw Jart Music advertising it sometime ago. You may want to drop them a line. (http://www.jartmusic.com/) By the way, I know JP is on this... what tracks does he perform on it?
Hope this helps, and hope to hear from any Saviour Machine fans soon.
Thanks..... Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:51:08 -0500 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC, Death Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980325175108.006e50d4@postoffice.ptd.net>
Bobby wrote: >with Sadus (esp. A Vision of Misery) and also with Death (Human, >Individual Thought Patterns, upcoming "The Sound of Perseverance"), plus ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Death are back together? Just curious, I haven't really heard anything since last year, when Chuck Schuldiner was supposed to have a new band called Control Denied, or something. If Death are back, when will TSoP be out? I know I'm looking forward to hearing DiGiorgio on it . . . he was *sick* on ITP. Also, who will be their new drummer, since Hoglan's with Testament now? Thanks in advance for your reply.
Brian
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:01:07 -0500 (EST) From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3672 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980325180051.14848A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
Please forward how to subscribe to DR1029@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:01:47 -0500 (EST) From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Manson and SOD Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980325174010.2181B-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
> MM: I have the same problem with Marilyn Manson that I have with the > Grateful Dead - I don't mind the band, or the music, so much as I can't > stand the rabid fans. I guess I was turned off when I was in college, > and my roommate was a Shiite Deadhead - wouldn't even bother listening
I know exactly what you mean. When I saw the Ozzfest in Chicago last year, it was one of the shows that had Manson on the bill, and sure enough, their fans were out in full force. It was an incredibly hot summer outdoor concert, and GUYS were wearing long black dresses and black lipstick. And once Manson was done, almost all of those people left! They were either too stupid/loaded/drugged up/arrogant/whatever to stick around for Black Sabbath. If it wasn't for Sabbath, there wouldn't be a Manson. No respect for the elders I guess.
> you - I'm only talking about the hardcore people. And the funny thing > about MM fans is that in their quest for individuality - they all look >the same.
How ironic, their own attempt at individuality thwarted by their own lack of originality.
> Short songs? Anyone remember S.O.D? "This is the anti-procrastination > song!" (end of song).
Yeah, and don't forget "Diamonds and Rust". Sometimes looking at a list of SOD songs is as good as looking the lyric sheet. Don't forget "Hey Gordy", "Momo", and "The Camel Boy", all songs under 5 seconds.
C#
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