YTSEJAM Digest 3678
Today's Topics:
1) Dave McKean (ndtc)
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
2) DT and DP
by Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
3) I want
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
4) Logical reasoning
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
5) My ratings due to recent posts...
by "Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
6) Re: Manson
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
7) short songs
by "David Alderman" <dalder@ix.netcom.com>
8) Re: Saviour Machine
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
9) Bruford, Levin, and their case of upper extremities.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
10) short songs and pedals
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3677
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
12) Grrrrr
by someone@prognosis.com
13) Jason Becker
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
14) eMpTyV
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@aircell.com>
15) Re: Grrrrr
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:11:12 -0400
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Delirium Tremens <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dave McKean (ndtc)
Message-ID: <l03130306b13f8f21752d@bootp-184-229.bootp.virginia.edu>
Jammers --
I know there are tons of people on the Jam with really diverse musical
tastes, so I was wondering if any of you have the following CDs, and would
be willing and able to scan the album covers for me:
Cemetary, "Godless Beauty" and "Black Vanity"
Epidemic, "Decameron"
Bill Bruford, "Earthworks Stamping Ground Live"
Micheal O Suilleabhain, "Lumen" and "Geasadh/Flowing"
Iain Ballamy, "Acme"
"The Piano" Soundtrack
The reason I ask is that these album covers were all done by artist Dave
McKean (best known for his "Sandman" covers), and I maintain a website of
his art, including a big collection of his CD art (he's very prolific and
many of you probably own at least one of the albums he's done [Testament,
Alice Cooper, Skinny Puppy, Fear Factory, Life of Agony, Machine Head,
Buckethead, to name just a few.]). And the Jam seems like a good place to
go trolling for eclectic music-listeners and artistic metalhead-types... =)
Besides, there's Bruford in there! Prog content!
Anyway, like I said, if you have any of the above CDs and have access to a
scanner, please email me. Thanks.
To all Jammers, the McKean website is here if you're interested:
http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~sdh9b/mckean
Appy polly loggies for the lack of DT content.
Scotch.
ps. Superior kicks Behind. Anyone who listens to it, you best wear
asbestos clothing -- because you're gonna get BERND.
pps. I'm starting a grunge band called "Inferior."
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:21:59 -0500
From: Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT and DP
Message-ID: <351A0216.7F348045@pop3.utoledo.edu>
I asked Derek Sherinian how long Dream Theater's set would be on the
Deep Purple tour, and he said they would have an hour long set...just
thought i'd let everyone know...
chris
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:32:07 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I want
Message-ID: <01BD5848.FC729820.aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
Someone said ...
>Hi,
>I would like to subscribe to ytsejam- I'd like my chosen user name to be
>PRSBerklee. Thanks!
I'd like for this record to be finished ... and a blonde.
I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony.
I want my mommy.
Lo quiero Taco Bell. (sp?)
~Chris
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:01:08 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Logical reasoning
Message-ID: <01BD584A.494FC270.aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
>> Okay follow this one
>> Derek Sherinian likes (loves) Marilyn Manson
>> "brain-deads" like Marilyn Manson
>> Therefore
>> Derek Sherinian is "brain-dead"
>Nothing is better than sex.
>Masturbation is better than nothing.
>Therefore
>Masturbation is better than sex.
That's not quite a dis-proof of the above. They are logically different
entities. The seocnd one is logically valid, it just seems screwy because
of a linguistic hack (the word nothing is abused) The first is not
logically consistent. The same logic as the first one would allow:
Dead people rot.
Turnips rot.
Therefore dead people are turnips.
or how about
My cat has fleas
My dog has fleas
Therefore cats are dogs.
Now, if the original statement had been that _only_ braind dead people like
MM, that would be different.
Sorry, I just don't like misuse of logic. :)
~Chris
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:25:19 +1030
From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: My ratings due to recent posts...
Message-ID: <199803260952.UAA11766@goliath.camtech.com.au>
Ok,
1st place - DT!! (of course)
2nd place - Tesla (my favourite band until I heard DT)
3rd place - Def Leppard
4th place - Who cares as long as it's prog!!
Anyway, just thought I'd mention how cool Tesla were... (until they broke
up)
BTW, have DT ever been on Saturday Night Live, Jay Leno, or Conan O'Brien?
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Shane Woolcock - woolcock@camtech.net.au
WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/
"In my den of inequity,
viscousness and subtlety..." - DT
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 04:05:06 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Manson
Message-ID: <351a2851261b002@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of
<Pine.HPP.3.95.980325174010.2181B-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
>
>
> > MM: I have the same problem with Marilyn Manson that I have with the
> > Grateful Dead - I don't mind the band, or the music, so much as I can't
> > stand the rabid fans. I guess I was turned off when I was in college,
> > and my roommate was a Shiite Deadhead - wouldn't even bother listening
>
> I know exactly what you mean. When I saw the Ozzfest in Chicago last
> year, it was one of the shows that had Manson on the bill, and sure
> enough, their fans were out in full force.
They were also the only ones who were causing problems at the show in East Troy,
WI. Everything was laid back until he came on and his fans in their Halloween
witch costumes started fistfights, moshing on a very steep hill that wasn't
built for it, mudslinging (literally, not the verbal kind). Bastards ended up
breaking my leg after a about 50 people landed on top of me at the bottom of a
hill after a fistfight got rolling (pun intended :) ).
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:11:24 -0600
From: "David Alderman" <dalder@ix.netcom.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: short songs
Message-ID: <199803261110.FAA21369@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
Bobby Tufino <slime64@ibm.net> wrote:
Okay jammers, name the SOD tune with the following lyrics:
".......you're dead."
That would be "The Ballad of Jimi Hendrix"
nice song...
David
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:50:34 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Saviour Machine
Message-ID: <v01520d00b13fabbd4607@[207.90.119.197]>
>>Also, they make reference to a "Live in Deutchland" CD (which I'd heard of
>>before). I can't seem to find ANYONE online selling "Legend" or "Legend II".
>>Can anyone help me out as to where I can get a hold of these discs?
>
>They are a x-tian band, so check yer local x-tian bookstore...
well, really only Legend Part 1 is widely available at xian bookstores,
through Diamante. the other ones are available at bookstores *only* if
they took the time to order tham from SM directly (which is something i
did when i was a music buyer for one). as for getting the live CD, the
most likely way is through SM/Malineum directly (address given in my
prior post).
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com
"The farmers in the Annapolis Valley are pleased to announce
that this year there will be an abundance of apples. This is
particularly good news because most of the farmers haven't
had a good crap in years." -Maryland TV Broadcaster
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:14:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Dan Ketterick <ketterdv@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Bruford, Levin, and their case of upper extremities.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980326071120.9518A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> I also caught Mtv's clip of the Bruford/Levin album!
> I was hoping someone else was watching (it was 1:45 a.m. EST) and I
> was glad to hear a sample of the album. Looks like yet another CD to
> hunt relentlessly for; asking bewildered BestBuy clerks about "some
> Bilbo Baggins and Levin Furniture album, or something"
The CD won't be released in stores; you can only buy it from
Tony's website - www.papabear.com - or call 1-800-688-2227 for it (i
already have my copy, thankfully).
I saw the bit as well, although it was at around 4:50pm yesterday.
They did the whole sample of the BLUE CD, along with a nice quote from
Tony saying "i hope they don't mind, but if they do..and want publishing
rites, then by all means they'll get it" or somehting to that effect.
They also had a nice bit on Projekt 2's new double CD, Solar
Groove, coming out in a few weeks. A nice head shot of Fripp was
included. :)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:50:07 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: short songs and pedals
Message-ID: <351A40F1.895@westend.com>
Huh?
>Okay jammers, name the SOD tune with the following lyrics:
>".......you're dead."
Ballad of Jimi Hendrix. Touching. Did I win something?
>On an NDTC topic, I got a new wah pedal, and I LOVE it!
Hey listen to anything by JP and you'll see that a wah pedal is highly
DTC!
Steffen
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:09:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3677
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980326090445.19499A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
> Okay jammers, name the SOD tune with the following lyrics:
>
> ".......you're dead."
Hey! "The Ballad of Jimi Hendrix"
> Nothing is better than sex.
> Masturbation is better than nothing.
> Therefore
> Masturbation is better than sex.
Rather scary to think about, isn't it?
Thanks for all the info about King Crimson and Tony Levin, too.
Now if I can only scrape up a few bucks for these CDs....(paying rent
sucks.)
-C#
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:09:55 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Grrrrr
Message-ID: <199803261606.KAA03488@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
> Subject: Jason Becker
> I'm forced to admit my lameness here, *sulk*
>
> (AlisOn whispers: "who's Jason Becker?")
Jason was a child prodigy, who recorded his first Shrapnel album
when he was 16 or 17 (Speed Metal Symphony, with the band
"Cacophony"). His technique is flawless, and his phrasing is to die
for... but mainly, it's uncanny how listenable he is... his guitar
playing, more than Vai, or anyone else I've ever heard, just sounds
like a natural extention of his human voice. The album Perpetual
Burn (Solo album on Cacophony) is some of the most dramatic, amazing
and beautiful music anyone can ever hear.
After recording his first solo album and splitting up with Cacophony
(Jason and current Megadeth guitarist, then co-shredder in Cacophony,
Marty Friedman decided they wanted to try playing in bands where the
guitar isn't the frontman) Jason got the (then, highly coveted) gig
playing with David Lee Roth on the Lil Ain't Enough album. While
recording, Jason started having problems with his calf muscles, and
eventually problems with his hand strength. When he finally went to
see the doctor, they told him it was ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease, what
Prof. Steven Hawkings suffers from).
A few years later, he released an album that he composed in his head
and slowly clicked away at his computer to bring into life
(Perspectives).He can hardly move, speak/communicate, etc, but his
mind is completely intact.... sort of like being in a prison and
always being able to see and hear and smell the outside, but never
being able to be there.
He very recently had some surgery to help him cope with some
difficulties, but he is supposedly still doing alright.
> From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
> just another awesome guitar player, that's all
Yeah... Dream Theater's just another good band. Bach was just
another decent composer. Paganini's violin playing was real swell.
That's all.
> From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
> Subject: Roland Rupp: The New Shred Files
> Well, for the people who didnt believed that Roland really played we
> recorded some audio files without any effects, editing or anything, just
> guitar, amp and computer and we directly recorded some improvisations,
> now you can download all the files at
> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/
I'm sure these ones are a LOT better, after speaking to Rupp... but
we had DAMN good reason for not believing that those other samples
were legitimate.... by Rupp's own admission, they were sped up
(because of the tape deck he was using in the mix down). He
mentioned that he didn't ever intend for those songs to get spread
around, etc.
Finally, Thal Fans: Ron has finished his web page and we replaced
the old one with it. It's at http://www.prognosis.com/bumblefoot and
it's FILLED with info. It's a really good site. There's a secret
area somewhere on the site.... if you find it, let him know (but
don't tell anyone how to get there!). Sound samples, pictures, and
TONS and TONS of dirt on everything from swollen leg infections that
emit multicolored sauce, to fish testicles, to shred-freakin'-guitar.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:05:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jason Becker
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980326114518.22897A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Alison, looking confused:
> << I'm forced to admit my lameness here, *sulk*
> (AlisOn whispers: "who's Jason Becker?")
Rocky replied:
> just another awesome guitar player, that's all
> the Rock
That's like saying Neil Peart is "just another good drummer" -- yeah, it's
true, but there's so much MORE.
Jason Becker is, to borrow a line from Madsman, "no doubt the coolest
overall guitarist/musician/overall human being on the planet". He and
Marty Friedman released two shredfest albums as Cacophony, then Jason
released his own solo album, "Perpetual Burn", raising the bar of
progressive shred metal guitar even higher. His musicianship and playing
were astounding -- even though he was only 18 years old.
Jason joined David Lee Roth's band and recorded "A Little Ain't Enough"
with them -- but by the time the tour rolled around, Jason was unable to
manage the live playing in front of a crowd in a concert situation.
You see, Jason has ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, also known as Lou
Gehrig's Disease). It's a neuromuscular disease which slowly cripples its
victims and leaves them trapped inside a body that's failing them. Normal
life expectancy is about 5 years from onset; Jason is still alive after
almost 9 years.
All through the progression of the disease, as it made him too weak to
play guitar, confined him to a wheelchair, and took away his ability to
speak, Jason has never lost hope and has refused to let it depress him or
stop him. He has continued writing and recording music with the aid of
computers and friends who play some of the instruments. His album
"Perspective", released in 1996, is one of the most uplifting and powerful
albums I have ever heard, and deserves a place in everyone's collection.
Jason's one of the real heroes in this world, I think. His spirit's
unbroken, his mind is as strong as ever, and his music is simply
outstanding. Go to http://www.jasonbecker.com/ for the full story on
Jason, his life, and his music. It's worth the trip.
Ta,
Phil
=====================================================================
Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
Currently playing: Artension -- "Into the Eye of the Storm"
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:43:30 -0700
From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@aircell.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: eMpTyV
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I just found a really good rant on the evils of MTV. It's at
http://www.fitshaced.com/3/mtv.html if anyone wants to check it out. I
think the author hits the nail on the head, particularly the part about M.
Manson.
Tom
(who still likes Derek, despite his "taste" in music)
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:05:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Grrrrr
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980326115521.79196D-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 someone@prognosis.com wrote:
>
> > From: AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
> > Subject: Jason Becker
>
> > I'm forced to admit my lameness here, *sulk*
> >
> > (AlisOn whispers: "who's Jason Becker?")
>
> Jason was a child prodigy, who recorded his first Shrapnel album
> when he was 16 or 17 (Speed Metal Symphony, with the band
> "Cacophony"). His technique is flawless, and his phrasing is to die
> for... but mainly, it's uncanny how listenable he is... his guitar
> playing, more than Vai, or anyone else I've ever heard, just sounds
> like a natural extention of his human voice. The album Perpetual
> Burn (Solo album on Cacophony) is some of the most dramatic, amazing
> and beautiful music anyone can ever hear.
>
I agree with Chris on this one. I have Perpetual Burn, and i think
that that record is in the same height as Passion and Warfare, even
though PAW is more diverse.......both are the best instrumental guitar
albums of all time IMO, along with some others.
> From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
> > Subject: Roland Rupp: The New Shred Files
>
> > Well, for the people who didnt believed that Roland really played we
> > recorded some audio files without any effects, editing or anything, just
> > guitar, amp and computer and we directly recorded some improvisations,
> > now you can download all the files at
> > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/
>
> I'm sure these ones are a LOT better, after speaking to Rupp... but
> we had DAMN good reason for not believing that those other samples
> were legitimate.... by Rupp's own admission, they were sped up
> (because of the tape deck he was using in the mix down). He
> mentioned that he didn't ever intend for those songs to get spread
> around, etc.
We might get to record some more songs in a few weeks, and maybe putting
them in Alans page with his help. Why dont you put some of your
recordings on your page Chris? Be it covers or originals, or just licks
or whatever?
Finally, Thal Fans: Ron has finished his web page and we replaced
> the old one with it. It's at http://www.prognosis.com/bumblefoot and
> it's FILLED with info. It's a really good site. There's a secret
> area somewhere on the site.... if you find it, let him know (but
> don't tell anyone how to get there!). Sound samples, pictures, and
> TONS and TONS of dirt on everything from swollen leg infections that
> emit multicolored sauce, to fish testicles, to shred-freakin'-guitar.
I have been listening to this guy......he plays weird....some of his
harmonies remind me of Zappas "Jazz from hell" or Vais "Flexable".
How is his newest album? I liked bumblefoot, really original
stuff.....even more weird playing....
Mauricio
>
>
> "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
> - Dennis Miller
>
> Chris Ptacek
> someone@prognosis.com
> http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
> Go Home and Practice!
>
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