YTSEJAM digest 3678

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Date: Thu Mar 26 1998 - 13:22:59 EST

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 3678

    Today's Topics:

      1) Dave McKean (ndtc)
     by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
      2) DT and DP
     by Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
      3) I want
     by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
      4) Logical reasoning
     by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
      5) My ratings due to recent posts...
     by "Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
      6) Re: Manson
     by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
      7) short songs
     by "David Alderman" <dalder@ix.netcom.com>
      8) Re: Saviour Machine
     by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
      9) Bruford, Levin, and their case of upper extremities.
     by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
     10) short songs and pedals
     by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
     11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3677
     by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
     12) Grrrrr
     by someone@prognosis.com
     13) Jason Becker
     by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
     14) eMpTyV
     by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@aircell.com>
     15) Re: Grrrrr
     by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:11:12 -0400
    From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
    To: Delirium Tremens <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Dave McKean (ndtc)
    Message-ID: <l03130306b13f8f21752d@bootp-184-229.bootp.virginia.edu>

    Jammers --

    I know there are tons of people on the Jam with really diverse musical
    tastes, so I was wondering if any of you have the following CDs, and would
    be willing and able to scan the album covers for me:

      Cemetary, "Godless Beauty" and "Black Vanity"
      Epidemic, "Decameron"
      Bill Bruford, "Earthworks Stamping Ground Live"
      Micheal O Suilleabhain, "Lumen" and "Geasadh/Flowing"
      Iain Ballamy, "Acme"
      "The Piano" Soundtrack

    The reason I ask is that these album covers were all done by artist Dave
    McKean (best known for his "Sandman" covers), and I maintain a website of
    his art, including a big collection of his CD art (he's very prolific and
    many of you probably own at least one of the albums he's done [Testament,
    Alice Cooper, Skinny Puppy, Fear Factory, Life of Agony, Machine Head,
    Buckethead, to name just a few.]). And the Jam seems like a good place to
    go trolling for eclectic music-listeners and artistic metalhead-types... =)

    Besides, there's Bruford in there! Prog content!

    Anyway, like I said, if you have any of the above CDs and have access to a
    scanner, please email me. Thanks.

    To all Jammers, the McKean website is here if you're interested:

    http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~sdh9b/mckean

    Appy polly loggies for the lack of DT content.

    Scotch.

    ps. Superior kicks Behind. Anyone who listens to it, you best wear
    asbestos clothing -- because you're gonna get BERND.

    pps. I'm starting a grunge band called "Inferior."

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:21:59 -0500
    From: Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT and DP
    Message-ID: <351A0216.7F348045@pop3.utoledo.edu>

    I asked Derek Sherinian how long Dream Theater's set would be on the
    Deep Purple tour, and he said they would have an hour long set...just
    thought i'd let everyone know...
    chris

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    Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:32:07 -0800
    From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
    To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: I want
    Message-ID: <01BD5848.FC729820.aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>

    Someone said ...

    >Hi,

    >I would like to subscribe to ytsejam- I'd like my chosen user name to be
    >PRSBerklee. Thanks!

    I'd like for this record to be finished ... and a blonde.

    I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony.

    I want my mommy.

    Lo quiero Taco Bell. (sp?)

         ~Chris

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:01:08 -0800
    From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
    To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Logical reasoning
    Message-ID: <01BD584A.494FC270.aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>

    >> Okay follow this one
    >> Derek Sherinian likes (loves) Marilyn Manson
    >> "brain-deads" like Marilyn Manson
    >> Therefore
    >> Derek Sherinian is "brain-dead"

    >Nothing is better than sex.
    >Masturbation is better than nothing.
    >Therefore
    >Masturbation is better than sex.

    That's not quite a dis-proof of the above. They are logically different
    entities. The seocnd one is logically valid, it just seems screwy because
    of a linguistic hack (the word nothing is abused) The first is not
    logically consistent. The same logic as the first one would allow:

    Dead people rot.
    Turnips rot.
    Therefore dead people are turnips.

    or how about

    My cat has fleas
    My dog has fleas
    Therefore cats are dogs.

    Now, if the original statement had been that _only_ braind dead people like
    MM, that would be different.

    Sorry, I just don't like misuse of logic. :)

         ~Chris

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:25:19 +1030
    From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
    To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: My ratings due to recent posts...
    Message-ID: <199803260952.UAA11766@goliath.camtech.com.au>

    Ok,

    1st place - DT!! (of course)
    2nd place - Tesla (my favourite band until I heard DT)
    3rd place - Def Leppard
    4th place - Who cares as long as it's prog!!

    Anyway, just thought I'd mention how cool Tesla were... (until they broke
    up)
    BTW, have DT ever been on Saturday Night Live, Jay Leno, or Conan O'Brien?

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Shane Woolcock - woolcock@camtech.net.au
    WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/
    "In my den of inequity,
    viscousness and subtlety..." - DT
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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 04:05:06 -0600
    From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Manson
    Message-ID: <351a2851261b002@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>

    Responding to the message of
    <Pine.HPP.3.95.980325174010.2181B-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
    from ytsejam@ax.com:
    >
    >
    > > MM: I have the same problem with Marilyn Manson that I have with the
    > > Grateful Dead - I don't mind the band, or the music, so much as I can't
    > > stand the rabid fans. I guess I was turned off when I was in college,
    > > and my roommate was a Shiite Deadhead - wouldn't even bother listening
    >
    > I know exactly what you mean. When I saw the Ozzfest in Chicago last
    > year, it was one of the shows that had Manson on the bill, and sure
    > enough, their fans were out in full force.

    They were also the only ones who were causing problems at the show in East Troy,
    WI. Everything was laid back until he came on and his fans in their Halloween
    witch costumes started fistfights, moshing on a very steep hill that wasn't
    built for it, mudslinging (literally, not the verbal kind). Bastards ended up
    breaking my leg after a about 50 people landed on top of me at the bottom of a
    hill after a fistfight got rolling (pun intended :) ).

    -Brian

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:11:24 -0600
    From: "David Alderman" <dalder@ix.netcom.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: short songs
    Message-ID: <199803261110.FAA21369@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>

    Bobby Tufino <slime64@ibm.net> wrote:
    Okay jammers, name the SOD tune with the following lyrics:

    ".......you're dead."

    That would be "The Ballad of Jimi Hendrix"

    nice song...

    David

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:50:34 -0500 (EST)
    From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Saviour Machine
    Message-ID: <v01520d00b13fabbd4607@[207.90.119.197]>

    >>Also, they make reference to a "Live in Deutchland" CD (which I'd heard of
    >>before). I can't seem to find ANYONE online selling "Legend" or "Legend II".
    >>Can anyone help me out as to where I can get a hold of these discs?
    >
    >They are a x-tian band, so check yer local x-tian bookstore...

    well, really only Legend Part 1 is widely available at xian bookstores,
    through Diamante. the other ones are available at bookstores *only* if
    they took the time to order tham from SM directly (which is something i
    did when i was a music buyer for one). as for getting the live CD, the
    most likely way is through SM/Malineum directly (address given in my
    prior post).

    Dan

    ---+ +---
          Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com
    "The farmers in the Annapolis Valley are pleased to announce
    that this year there will be an abundance of apples. This is
     particularly good news because most of the farmers haven't
         had a good crap in years." -Maryland TV Broadcaster
    ---+ +---

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:14:48 -0500 (EST)
    From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
    To: Dan Ketterick <ketterdv@flyernet.udayton.edu>
    Subject: Bruford, Levin, and their case of upper extremities.
    Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980326071120.9518A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>

    > I also caught Mtv's clip of the Bruford/Levin album!
    > I was hoping someone else was watching (it was 1:45 a.m. EST) and I
    > was glad to hear a sample of the album. Looks like yet another CD to
    > hunt relentlessly for; asking bewildered BestBuy clerks about "some
    > Bilbo Baggins and Levin Furniture album, or something"

            The CD won't be released in stores; you can only buy it from
    Tony's website - www.papabear.com - or call 1-800-688-2227 for it (i
    already have my copy, thankfully).

            I saw the bit as well, although it was at around 4:50pm yesterday.
    They did the whole sample of the BLUE CD, along with a nice quote from
    Tony saying "i hope they don't mind, but if they do..and want publishing
    rites, then by all means they'll get it" or somehting to that effect.

            They also had a nice bit on Projekt 2's new double CD, Solar
    Groove, coming out in a few weeks. A nice head shot of Fripp was
    included. :)

                    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
                        syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
                         erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
                    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:50:07 +0100
    From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: short songs and pedals
    Message-ID: <351A40F1.895@westend.com>

    Huh?

    >Okay jammers, name the SOD tune with the following lyrics:
    >".......you're dead."

    Ballad of Jimi Hendrix. Touching. Did I win something?

    >On an NDTC topic, I got a new wah pedal, and I LOVE it!

    Hey listen to anything by JP and you'll see that a wah pedal is highly
    DTC!

    Steffen

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:09:44 -0500 (EST)
    From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3677
    Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980326090445.19499A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>

    > Okay jammers, name the SOD tune with the following lyrics:
    >
    > ".......you're dead."

    Hey! "The Ballad of Jimi Hendrix"

    > Nothing is better than sex.
    > Masturbation is better than nothing.
    > Therefore
    > Masturbation is better than sex.

    Rather scary to think about, isn't it?

    Thanks for all the info about King Crimson and Tony Levin, too.
    Now if I can only scrape up a few bucks for these CDs....(paying rent
    sucks.)

    -C#

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:09:55 +0000
    From: someone@prognosis.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Grrrrr
    Message-ID: <199803261606.KAA03488@wheat.farm.niu.edu>

    > From: AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
    > Subject: Jason Becker

    > I'm forced to admit my lameness here, *sulk*
    >
    > (AlisOn whispers: "who's Jason Becker?")

            Jason was a child prodigy, who recorded his first Shrapnel album
    when he was 16 or 17 (Speed Metal Symphony, with the band
    "Cacophony"). His technique is flawless, and his phrasing is to die
    for... but mainly, it's uncanny how listenable he is... his guitar
    playing, more than Vai, or anyone else I've ever heard, just sounds
    like a natural extention of his human voice. The album Perpetual
    Burn (Solo album on Cacophony) is some of the most dramatic, amazing
    and beautiful music anyone can ever hear.
            After recording his first solo album and splitting up with Cacophony
    (Jason and current Megadeth guitarist, then co-shredder in Cacophony,
    Marty Friedman decided they wanted to try playing in bands where the
    guitar isn't the frontman) Jason got the (then, highly coveted) gig
    playing with David Lee Roth on the Lil Ain't Enough album. While
    recording, Jason started having problems with his calf muscles, and
    eventually problems with his hand strength. When he finally went to
    see the doctor, they told him it was ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease, what
    Prof. Steven Hawkings suffers from).
            A few years later, he released an album that he composed in his head
    and slowly clicked away at his computer to bring into life
    (Perspectives).He can hardly move, speak/communicate, etc, but his
    mind is completely intact.... sort of like being in a prison and
    always being able to see and hear and smell the outside, but never
    being able to be there.
            He very recently had some surgery to help him cope with some
    difficulties, but he is supposedly still doing alright.

    > From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>

    > just another awesome guitar player, that's all

            Yeah... Dream Theater's just another good band. Bach was just
    another decent composer. Paganini's violin playing was real swell.
    That's all.
     
    > From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
    > Subject: Roland Rupp: The New Shred Files

    > Well, for the people who didnt believed that Roland really played we
    > recorded some audio files without any effects, editing or anything, just
    > guitar, amp and computer and we directly recorded some improvisations,
    > now you can download all the files at
    > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/

            I'm sure these ones are a LOT better, after speaking to Rupp... but
    we had DAMN good reason for not believing that those other samples
    were legitimate.... by Rupp's own admission, they were sped up
    (because of the tape deck he was using in the mix down). He
    mentioned that he didn't ever intend for those songs to get spread
    around, etc.

            Finally, Thal Fans: Ron has finished his web page and we replaced
    the old one with it. It's at http://www.prognosis.com/bumblefoot and
    it's FILLED with info. It's a really good site. There's a secret
    area somewhere on the site.... if you find it, let him know (but
    don't tell anyone how to get there!). Sound samples, pictures, and
    TONS and TONS of dirt on everything from swollen leg infections that
    emit multicolored sauce, to fish testicles, to shred-freakin'-guitar.

    "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
                                           - Dennis Miller

    Chris Ptacek
    someone@prognosis.com
    http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
    Go Home and Practice!

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:05:28 -0500 (EST)
    From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
    To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Jason Becker
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980326114518.22897A-100000@peach.negia.net>

    Greetings ye 'jamanoids...

    Alison, looking confused:
    > << I'm forced to admit my lameness here, *sulk*
    > (AlisOn whispers: "who's Jason Becker?")

    Rocky replied:
    > just another awesome guitar player, that's all
    > the Rock

    That's like saying Neil Peart is "just another good drummer" -- yeah, it's
    true, but there's so much MORE.

    Jason Becker is, to borrow a line from Madsman, "no doubt the coolest
    overall guitarist/musician/overall human being on the planet". He and
    Marty Friedman released two shredfest albums as Cacophony, then Jason
    released his own solo album, "Perpetual Burn", raising the bar of
    progressive shred metal guitar even higher. His musicianship and playing
    were astounding -- even though he was only 18 years old.

    Jason joined David Lee Roth's band and recorded "A Little Ain't Enough"
    with them -- but by the time the tour rolled around, Jason was unable to
    manage the live playing in front of a crowd in a concert situation.

    You see, Jason has ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, also known as Lou
    Gehrig's Disease). It's a neuromuscular disease which slowly cripples its
    victims and leaves them trapped inside a body that's failing them. Normal
    life expectancy is about 5 years from onset; Jason is still alive after
    almost 9 years.

    All through the progression of the disease, as it made him too weak to
    play guitar, confined him to a wheelchair, and took away his ability to
    speak, Jason has never lost hope and has refused to let it depress him or
    stop him. He has continued writing and recording music with the aid of
    computers and friends who play some of the instruments. His album
    "Perspective", released in 1996, is one of the most uplifting and powerful
    albums I have ever heard, and deserves a place in everyone's collection.

    Jason's one of the real heroes in this world, I think. His spirit's
    unbroken, his mind is as strong as ever, and his music is simply
    outstanding. Go to http://www.jasonbecker.com/ for the full story on
    Jason, his life, and his music. It's worth the trip.

    Ta,
    Phil

    =====================================================================
    Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
    Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
    "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
       -- Berthold Auerbach
    Currently playing: Artension -- "Into the Eye of the Storm"

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:43:30 -0700
    From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@aircell.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: eMpTyV
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    I just found a really good rant on the evils of MTV. It's at
    http://www.fitshaced.com/3/mtv.html if anyone wants to check it out. I
    think the author hits the nail on the head, particularly the part about M.
    Manson.

    Tom
    (who still likes Derek, despite his "taste" in music)

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    Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:05:54 -0600 (CST)
    From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Grrrrr
    Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980326115521.79196D-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>

    On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 someone@prognosis.com wrote:

    >
    > > From: AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
    > > Subject: Jason Becker
    >
    > > I'm forced to admit my lameness here, *sulk*
    > >
    > > (AlisOn whispers: "who's Jason Becker?")
    >
    > Jason was a child prodigy, who recorded his first Shrapnel album
    > when he was 16 or 17 (Speed Metal Symphony, with the band
    > "Cacophony"). His technique is flawless, and his phrasing is to die
    > for... but mainly, it's uncanny how listenable he is... his guitar
    > playing, more than Vai, or anyone else I've ever heard, just sounds
    > like a natural extention of his human voice. The album Perpetual
    > Burn (Solo album on Cacophony) is some of the most dramatic, amazing
    > and beautiful music anyone can ever hear.
    >
            I agree with Chris on this one. I have Perpetual Burn, and i think
    that that record is in the same height as Passion and Warfare, even
    though PAW is more diverse.......both are the best instrumental guitar
    albums of all time IMO, along with some others.

    > From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
    > > Subject: Roland Rupp: The New Shred Files
    >
    > > Well, for the people who didnt believed that Roland really played we
    > > recorded some audio files without any effects, editing or anything, just
    > > guitar, amp and computer and we directly recorded some improvisations,
    > > now you can download all the files at
    > > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/
    >
    > I'm sure these ones are a LOT better, after speaking to Rupp... but
    > we had DAMN good reason for not believing that those other samples
    > were legitimate.... by Rupp's own admission, they were sped up
    > (because of the tape deck he was using in the mix down). He
    > mentioned that he didn't ever intend for those songs to get spread
    > around, etc.

    We might get to record some more songs in a few weeks, and maybe putting
    them in Alans page with his help. Why dont you put some of your
    recordings on your page Chris? Be it covers or originals, or just licks
    or whatever?

    Finally, Thal Fans: Ron has finished his web page and we replaced
    > the old one with it. It's at http://www.prognosis.com/bumblefoot and
    > it's FILLED with info. It's a really good site. There's a secret
    > area somewhere on the site.... if you find it, let him know (but
    > don't tell anyone how to get there!). Sound samples, pictures, and
    > TONS and TONS of dirt on everything from swollen leg infections that
    > emit multicolored sauce, to fish testicles, to shred-freakin'-guitar.

    I have been listening to this guy......he plays weird....some of his
    harmonies remind me of Zappas "Jazz from hell" or Vais "Flexable".
    How is his newest album? I liked bumblefoot, really original
    stuff.....even more weird playing....

    Mauricio

    >
    >
    > "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
    > - Dennis Miller
    >
    > Chris Ptacek
    > someone@prognosis.com
    > http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
    > Go Home and Practice!
    >

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