YTSEJAM Digest 3679
Today's Topics:
1) 1 HOUR??????????
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
2) Re: Grrrrr
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
3) DT on Late Night??????
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
4) Jenny Mcarthy on a dick...er...stick
by eckie@asu.edu
5) Re: Jason Becker
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
6) Late Night hosted by DT!
by eckie@asu.edu
7) Re: Grrrrr
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
8) HELP ME PLEASE
by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
9) Vogon Territory
by someone@prognosis.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3678
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
11)
by "Rodrigo Itaboray" <rodrigo.itaboray@artnet.com.br>
12) Re: Vogon Territory
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
13) Re: HELP ME PLEASE
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
14) Re: Vogon Territory
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
15) Yngwie, Liposuction, Nice Ass
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
16) sillygisms (no pun intended)
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3678
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:41:20 EST
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 1 HOUR??????????
Message-ID: <7accf44b.351aa152@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-26 13:15:13 EST, you write:
<< I asked Derek Sherinian how long Dream Theater's set would be on the
Deep Purple tour, and he said they would have an hour long set...just
thought i'd let everyone know...
chris >>
This blows dead bear. Please do some club shows!!!!!!!!! Jaxx in
Springfield!!!!!!!!!
Anyone got that tape yet!!
E-mail me.
Kez
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:43:20 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Grrrrr
Message-ID: <1b67d0d6.351aa1ca@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-26 11:43:37 EST, you write:
<< > From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
> just another awesome guitar player, that's all
Yeah... Dream Theater's just another good band. Bach was just
another decent composer. Paganini's violin playing was real swell.
That's all. >>
i was being sarcastic turd head =]
just like...
John holmes was just another porn star
Charles Manson was just another weirdo
David Caresh (however you spell that) was just another bible thumper
Jeffery Dalhmer was just another carnivore
Micky Mantle was just another beer drinker
poop,
Rocky
http://soft.simplenet.com/
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:43:44 EST
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT on Late Night??????
Message-ID: <13506e4c.351aa1e2@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-26 13:15:13 EST, you write:
<< BTW, have DT ever been on Saturday Night Live, Jay Leno, or Conan O'Brien?
>>
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!
Thanks. I needed that!
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:46:06 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jenny Mcarthy on a dick...er...stick
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980326112341.17209A-100000@email2.asu.edu>
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Tom Baddley suggested:
> I just found a really good rant on the evils of MTV. It's at
> http://www.fitshaced.com/3/mtv.html if anyone wants to check it out. I
> think the author hits the nail on the head, particularly the part about M.
> Manson.
This has to be the funniest damn thing I've read in a long time. Thanks
for posting the url!
And if you're one of those ppl who gets easily enticed by
propaganda....turn off your computer and go play with the family pet.
And put that gun away.
The author realllllly needs to get laid though. God that's a lot of
pent-up frustration just bein' spilled into words. The funniest part of
the whole rant is...he's right :)
As far as Marilyn Manson's concerned in my pierced nipple of unending
wisdom, he's just a product for the kiddies who want to say they're open
minded, and different. He's a shock artist who just happens to have a
drummer and uh...i think it's a guitarist...anyways. THey're a loud
freak show. I've listened to his music, and while some of his tunes had
a good groove, his hate mongering lyrics were just like American cheese
on spoiled linguini. But nobody listens to him for the music...nooo
siree. C'mone, who wouldn't pay $30 to see some powdered
shithead go onstage wearing a punctured leather speedo and stalkings....
:P
He plays on the fears of conservative Christian America. If any of ya
have ever caught this dude in an interview, he's actually pretty
articulate. He really doesn't need to do any heinous acts onstage.
According to everything I've heard from hearsay, he's an established and
bonafied priest in the church of satan, he's gouged his eyeballs out
onstage, and he's even masturbated in front of a crowd with a cheese grater.
It's the same shit that happened with Ozzy, Alice Cooper....etc.
Bat heads is tasty!
Pulease. Let the sheep have their fun. IT's their hard earned money
they're waisting to go see this band. So long as I can enjoy the music I
want (even if I do have to go the far reaches of the consumer world to
obtain it) and live in harmony with the sheep (they make great
footstools) I don't have any problems.
I've given up on MTV...well, okay I admit I have to catch an episode of
Daria and Beavis and Butthead once in a while, and you should to! BUy
this patch....
radio can suck my ass too. DO YOU READ THIS?! RADIO CAN *SUCK* *MY*
*ASSSSSSS*!!!
DT should have some dude dress up as a radio and walk onstage and kiss
James' shiny white Canadian heiney. And I'm just the man for the job!
~Eckie knows that Satan is the CEO of MTV
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:46:20 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Jason Becker
Message-ID: <f8ca80d3.351aa27e@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-26 12:35:46 EST, Phil writes:
<< You see, Jason has ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, also known as Lou
Gehrig's Disease). It's a neuromuscular disease which slowly cripples its
victims and leaves them trapped inside a body that's failing them. Normal
life expectancy is about 5 years from onset; Jason is still alive after
almost 9 years.
>>
this was much more informative than madsman's post =]
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:50:52 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Late Night hosted by DT!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980326114808.17209B-100000@email2.asu.edu>
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, some poor soul asked:
<< BTW, have DT ever been on Saturday Night Live, Jay Leno, or Conan O'Brien?
Heh heh, I think DT have a better chance of getting a gig with Rosie O
Donnell than they do with those three bozos.
>;)
~Handful of Eckie
P.S.- for you non-Savatage fans, no, that was NOT some obscure reference
to masturbation
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:05:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Grrrrr
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980326140208.25319B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
> From: someone@prognosis.com
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Grrrrr
Heh. Might've guessed Madsman'd beat me to the punch on anything about
Jason Becker. You go, Chris! :) :)
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
Currently playing: Eric Johnson -- "Ah Via Musicom"
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 14:34:40 EST
From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: HELP ME PLEASE
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.890940880.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
Unfortunately I have to start using AOL tomorrow. How the hell do I
subscribe from AOL? Please email to Chatinman@aol.com and tell me so I can
continue to be a member to this list? Thank You very much
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:51:20 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vogon Territory
Message-ID: <199803262047.OAA12927@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
> Subject: Logical reasoning
> >> Okay follow this one
> >> Derek Sherinian likes (loves) Marilyn Manson
> >> "brain-deads" like Marilyn Manson
> >> Therefore
> >> Derek Sherinian is "brain-dead"
> That's not quite a dis-proof of the above. They are logically different
> entities. The seocnd one is logically valid, it just seems screwy because
> of a linguistic hack (the word nothing is abused) The first is not
> logically consistent. The same logic as the first one would allow:
God is Love, and Love is Blind, therefore Damon is God. Or the
argument: 1+2=4 or God Exists; 1+2 does not = 4, therefore God must
exist. I may have the terms backward, but I believe these are
examples of logically valid arguments, but though they are valid,
they are not logically sound arguments. It's a philosophy thang.
> like a natural extention of his human voice. The album Perpetual
> Burn (Solo album on Cacophony) is some of the most dramatic, amazing
> and beautiful music anyone can ever hear.
Just a correction... I was half asleep when I posted this... it
should say "(Solo album on Shrapnel)
> From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
> We might get to record some more songs in a few weeks, and maybe putting
> them in Alans page with his help. Why dont you put some of your
> recordings on your page Chris? Be it covers or originals, or just licks
> or whatever?
Frankly because I am utterly dissatisfied with everything I play
these days. I can play fast, and I know a lot of techniques.
Yippee. I'm working on my original material right now, but I expect
it to be a while before I put any new samples up. I am very
interested in hearing the new Rupp samples. He seems to be a hell of
a cool guy.
on Ron Thal:
> I have been listening to this guy......he plays weird....some of his
> harmonies remind me of Zappas "Jazz from hell" or Vais "Flexable".
> How is his newest album? I liked bumblefoot, really original
> stuff.....even more weird playing....
The newest album is all vocal tunes. It's the most extreme album I
have... extremely funny, extremely scary, extremely depressing,
extremely impossible to transcribe, etc. The whole album is like a
cross between Rage Against the Machine, Pantera, Zappa, Vai, the
Cars, and Adam Sandler, with the most IMPOSSIBLE and SICK guitar
solos in the universe (and Canada). Gotta love it! You can order it
directly through Ron, and he WON'T scam you. :)
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:49:20 -0500
From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3678
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980326204920.028bcbbc@artist-shop.com>
Hi folks:
Just a reminder that The Artist Shop and Talk City have an IRC Chat planned
for this Sunday (March 29) with David Torn and Tony Levin. Stop by our IRC
Page <http://www.artist-shop.com/irc> for all the details. No doubt many of
you will want to ask Tony questions about LTE!
And I have to add that if you're one of the people who loves LTE (and I
count myself among you), then you absolutely must check out the
Rudess/Morgenstein Project on Domo Records <http://www.artist-shop.com/domo>!
Gary
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:39:16 -0300
From: "Rodrigo Itaboray" <rodrigo.itaboray@artnet.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:40:48 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Vogon Territory
Message-ID: <65b91ee9.351acb62@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-26 16:24:19 EST, you write:
<< God is Love, and Love is Blind, therefore Damon is God. Or the
argument: 1+2=4 or God Exists; 1+2 does not = 4, therefore God must
exist. I may have the terms backward, but I believe these are
examples of logically valid arguments, but though they are valid,
they are not logically sound arguments. It's a philosophy thang. >>
thats some philosophy, but as i was taught in sex ed. 1+2=3. which always made
sense to me, so i passed sex ed, but i failed math =(.
the Rock
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:58:48 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: HELP ME PLEASE
Message-ID: <199803262158.QAA13537@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
>
> Unfortunately I have to start using AOL tomorrow. How the hell do I
> subscribe from AOL? Please email to Chatinman@aol.com and tell me so I can
> continue to be a member to this list? Thank You very much
Dude:
No one *has* to use AOL. There are plenty of local on-line services out there
that offer you better, faster, more reliable, and less censored Internet
access for less money and less headaches. Saying you have to use AOL is
equivalent to saying you have to watch MTV, or you have to buy Microsoft's
operating system. You only think so, because the general public doesn't get
the facts about the cheaper, more reliable, and more satisfying products or
services.
Scan the yellow pages. You'll find a way better deal than AOL.
-d
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:48:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Vogon Territory
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980326184208.14396C-100000@mariner.cris.com>
The iban wrote:
> << God is Love, and Love is Blind, therefore Damon is God. Or the
> argument: 1+2=4 or God Exists; 1+2 does not = 4, therefore God must
> exist. I may have the terms backward, but I believe these are
> examples of logically valid arguments, but though they are valid,
> they are not logically sound arguments. It's a philosophy thang. >>
>
> thats some philosophy, but as i was taught in sex ed. 1+2=3. which always made
> sense to me, so i passed sex ed, but i failed math =(.
In order to prove that God exists, one must show that something can be
created from nothing. Example:
0 = 0 + 0 + 0 + . . .
= (1 - 1) + (1 - 1) + (1 - 1) + . . .
= 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + . . .
= 1 + (-1 + 1) + (-1 + 1) + (-1 + 1) + . . .
= 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + . . . = 1
Therefore God exists. Or at least Guido Ubaldus thought so. :)
Now Playing: Synaesthesia "Embody", or in lay-terms, "electronic garbage"
Rick Audet
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:24:57 -0500
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yngwie, Liposuction, Nice Ass
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980327012457.006fad54@pop.pipeline.com>
I made the mistake of going to see Yngwie last night (Wednesday)
at Daytona's in Pasadena, Maryland, the epicenter of the MD
redneck earthquake. First, the pa music. Nothing from later than
about 1985. Ratt, Twisted Sister - that sort of crap. Lynryd
Skynryd, for God's sake. Then the trees. Why do all metal fans
who are 6'5" immediately move to the front of the 1' stage?
Then you had the opener. The Stevie Ray Satriani Band, I think
they were... Big mistake to schedule a "guitar hero" band as
an opener for Yngwie. Yawn. Then you had the legion of morons
crowding the stage, pressing their beer guts into my back to
stretch their necks to catch a glimpse of the stage side door.
Argh. Yngwie takes the stage. His face looks so bloated and
fat and covered with Pancake make-up it's disgusting, but wait...
he's wearing a "pirate" shirt...it's open. You can see his gut,
and...there isn't one! He has no belly! What's going on? Where's
the tell-tale scar? Yngwie is as Yngwie does. I can't take the
lack of space, so I retreat to the rear of the hall. The sound
is not much better. God, Daytona's is a crappy club. I have seen
King's X, Fates Warning, and Yngwie there. The sound has sucked
for all. I should have gone to the Jaxx show tonight instead.
For King Diamond, I won't make the same mistake. I just wonder
to whom Superior were referring when they named their cd, heh,
heh.
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
37-19-14 vs. Anaheim Mighty Ducks
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:50:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: sillygisms (no pun intended)
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980326204746.174453A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
>Nothing is better than sex.
>Masturbation is better than nothing.
>Therefore
>Masturbation is better than sex.
Of course. You don't have someone laughing at you the whole time. Or
saying, "hurry up I want my money."
Umm... too much information, eh.
-=-
I know a monster when I see one in the mirror.
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====-------------------
http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:53:43 -0400
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3678
Message-ID: <v01540b00b140b317c76f@[128.197.8.101]>
This discussion about logic (and that other one about Sherinian and
Marilyn Manson) has inspired me to come out of lurking and annoy everyone
yet again.
>>Nothing is better than sex.
>>Masturbation is better than nothing.
>>Therefore
>>Masturbation is better than sex.
>
>That's not quite a dis-proof of the above. They are logically different
>entities. The seocnd one is logically valid, it just seems screwy because
>of a linguistic hack (the word nothing is abused)
Another words, it's the fallacy of equivication, correct? It's
valid but unsound.
>The same logic as the first one would allow:
>
>Dead people rot.
>Turnips rot.
>Therefore dead people are turnips.
Doesn't this fallacy have a technical name? I can't remember it.
>Tom
>(who still likes Derek, despite his "taste" in music)
My opinion of Sherinian has gone down even more (it wasn't that
high to begin with, except for purely musical reasons, but I could say that
about a lot of people). How can someone who likes Marilyn Manson possibly
have anything bad to say about _Hear in the Now Frontier_?
However, as far as his association with Kiss is concerned, I was
amused to find someone else bash that band again (as if they were the
antithesis of legitimate music). Sure, they're not particularly complex or
profound (though it's easy to find exceptions in their large body of
music), and Gene Simmons has made a lot of idiotic statements about (among
other things) musicianship and rock music in general (many of which
contradict each other), but there are about a thousand bands that deserved
to be trashed for the same reason if Kiss does. I won't take up more
precious bandwith on here defending Kiss and pointing out why much of their
music (yes, their music) is excellent. However, I will point out that the
image on the shirt Mike Portnoy is wearing on the back cover of _Liquid
Tension Experiment_ looks a hell of a lot like Paul Stanley.
(Unfortunately, his cymbal stand is obscuring it.) And yes, I know Portnoy
likes the Beastie Boys and all kinds of other trash.
Of course, all of the above is Jeff Falk's opinion, so why should
anyone take it seriously (or bother paying any attention to it)?
send all flames to:
jefffalk@bu.edu
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