YTSEJAM Digest 3686
Today's Topics:
1) Re: DMB band jazz? LOL
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
2) Re: Derek chat
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
3) Re: DMB band jazz? LOL
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
4) Oh No !!!!
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
5) Not where I come from, dork.
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@trek.alliance.net>
6) Anyone out here??
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
7) Mesa/Boogie Mark III
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
8) Re: DP/DT
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
9) Blues and prog rock/math/DMB
by "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
10) Re: DP/DT
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
11) Re: Blues and prog rock/math/DMB
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
12) Jazzercising.
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
13) Megadeath Live
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
14) what band is ELP
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
15) Megadeath Live (again)
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
16) Re: Megadeath Live
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
17) Re: what band is ELP
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
18) Megadeath on Real Audio
by Chris Cerminara <cxc393@email.psu.edu>
19) DMB
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
20) Digeridoo
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:28:03 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DMB band jazz? LOL
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980329142247.5590A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Adam Cook wrote:
> The death metal band Cynic probably has more jazz influences than DMB.
Well, I have "Focus" by Cynic and every review of this album that
I heard/read mentioned that they were absolutely spetacular, with jazz
influences. Well, I don't get it. I know very little jazz and I *do* know
that jazz is a very broad category of music, but from the little I know
(Joe Pass, Jaco Pastorius, Art Blakey), I can't find the jazzier
influences of Cynic.
I'd be thankful if someone could point me to a song of this album
that they consider jazzy, because I really can't see them. Maybe I'm
blind (or should I say deaf? :-) ).
> Adam
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:58:34 EST From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Derek chat Message-ID: <78fb4de6.351e8bcc@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-29 02:21:36 EST, you write:
<< Derek was just in a Metal Edge chat on AOL >>
let us all stalk Derek on aol!!
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:01:08 EST From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DMB band jazz? LOL Message-ID: <31cd72e6.351e8c66@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-29 11:23:18 EST, you write:
<< Is this a joke? DMB are not jazz, they are a pop band with good musicians and a wide variety of influences but what it comes down to is they write catchy tunes. I don't know what your definition of jazz is....do you think Kenny G is jazz too? The only jazz influence I hear in DMB is some of the drumming. >>
yea i always laugh at music stores who put Kenny G in the jazz section.. i must agree with the drumming being very jazz influenced.
Rocky
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:05:42 -0500 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Oh No !!!! Message-ID: <603838AE6912D111A2B80000C07F4C9F0152A173@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> "canada blows!" and >> "our singer is a canuck."
Oh shit. According to recent jam-logic, James blows Derek ??
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:18:45 -0800 From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@trek.alliance.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Not where I come from, dork. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980329131845.0079be70@trek.alliance.net>
I felt that I had to respond to this, so sue me.
>Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:57:31 -0800 >From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> >Subject: album sales > > >>> I'm sure FII sales will be higher than I&W they have more fans now then they >>> did back then. and they have more copies in stores now then they did back >> then. > >>Just a little point: sales are calculated on the basis of albums SOLD, not >>SHIPPED. Just because a lot albums are in the store means nothing, except >>that if someone wants to buy the album they can. Now we just have to get >>the rest of the world to buy it. >> Richie > >NO ! This is not right. >If a record shop has 10 x FII in their stock, it means FII has sold 10 times. >So many albums went Gold before even their releasing.
Well, not in the US...since around 1990 or so. We have this thing here called Soundscan, which is basically most record stores networked together in order to give accurate figures on what actually gets bought by the record buyer. Although, many department stores aren't on this, so it's not totally accurate (imo)
>>Sales are calulated on the basis of how many CD's have been left from >the record lable (actully from their ditributer).
Well, that's how it used to be here. Of course, as I've said above, it's not that way anymore.
>That's exaclty the reason, why power metal bands are in the German charts. >Evey shop in Krefeld has at least more than 4 copies of Primel Fear. >And I've searched 8 days long to find the only copie of LTE :-((
Waaaah. Poor Arash. Magna Carta is an independent label, they can't afford to put as many copies out there unless they know it's going to sell like hotcakes.
>Look at Madonna : > >Since she is a super star, ever record shop and mail order company (la CD Now) >has pre-order her album more than 500 000 world wide. Sure the album will >be nummber 1 just on week later in lot of countries.
Well, heh, too bad the Titanic soundtrack was #1 in most countries where the movie was released. And if you've been on #ytsejam, you know how I feel about Titanic. No me gusta. :)
Jeremy Hyde - tempus@alliance.net http://x2.alliance.net/tempus
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:31:42 -0500 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Anyone out here?? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980329133142.0075b8f8@postoffice.ptd.net>
ATTN: Allentown-area 'jammers . . . I just moved to Schnecksville about a month ago, and was wondering if anyone knows of any good guitar/vocal instructors in the area. Also, now that I'm settled down, I want to start looking for a prog band . . . if anyone on this list is available, or knows someone who is, feel free to e-mail me privately. I'm searching as a lead guitarist, been playing for 3 years, and I'm 18.
I think it's high time I at least get my feet wet . . . I have *very* little band experience, and I know the best thing I can do right now to gain the experience I'll need, besides taking lessons, building my chops, and studying theory, is to GET OUT THERE AND PLAY!!
And to add some DTC . . . I can't understand why anyone would care if MP or DS admitted to being fans of the Kiss, Marilyn Manson, The Spice Girls, or Hansen, or whoever. If I found out John Petrucci was a No Doubt fan (*shudder*), would I stop listening to his music? Of course not. Being a fan of someone's music doesn't, by any stretch, constitute sharing that person's taste in music. I could give a fuck what *anyone* else listens to, whether they inspire me musically or not. If you're into it, if it does something for you, LISTEN TO IT. Enjoy the music, dammit. :)
L8r, Brian
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:26:15 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mesa/Boogie Mark III Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980329122613.006a6874@postoffice.syspac.com>
Hey, If anyone here owns a Mesa/Boogie Mark III simul-class combo amp, please e-mail me. I need to ask you a few questions. Thanks!
_MESA/VINNIE_
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 98 14:13:28 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DP/DT Message-ID: <351eab6742f7002@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net> Original Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:32:13 -0800 (PST) > > > >Not to mention, the average middle-aged burnout > >at a Deep Purple gig isn't gonna give a tin shit for > >a band like DT. > > ouch! gimme a break. uh... wait a minute... > guess i'm not average am i? <grin>
Don't get me wrong, I like DP. I'm just saying that their average fan probably won't have a real open ear for a band like Dream Theater.
-Brian
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:35:06 PST From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Blues and prog rock/math/DMB Message-ID: <19980329203506.26938.qmail@hotmail.com>
Re Rogerio's forward in 3684....
Isn't the whole meaning of the *progressive* that it looks forward instead of backwards? Yeah, rock originated from the blues. Prog rock and art rock and whatever other pigeonhole you want to throw on it also origingated there, naturally, but now that the movement's been around for thirty years, the stuff that's being put out right now that's still "progressive" (in the literal sense....I don't mean Prog) is NOT based on the blues. Case in point: look at what King Crimson's doing. THRAK? Even better, THRaKaTTaK? Can you show me how this relates at all to the blues? Even look at DT's magnum opus, Images And Words. How is Metropolis related to the blues? Wait For Sleep/Learning To Live? If they are, it's a distant relationship, like third cousins or something. Not a direct progression, like blues to Led Zeppelin, for example.
> So we have 0 = 0. Nice little proof of the identity axiom. > That's not a proof. :-)
Whatever. I'm a music major anyway. And a drummer, to boot. I shouldn't even know how to add 1 + 1. ;)
>Is this a joke? DMB are not jazz, they are a pop band with good >musicians and a wide variety of influences but what it comes down to >is they write catchy tunes. I don't know what your definition of
Um, yeah, they have an understanding of pop, certainly...and yeah, quite a few of their songs are catchy.....
>jazz is....do you think Kenny G is jazz too? The only jazz influence
Jazz is a feeling. Rock is easy to define....got that backbeat, lots of guitar, etc. Jazz is looser. Jazz includes everything from Duke and Satchmo to Return To Forever to Pat Metheny to, well, Kenny G. (Just because he's a jazz guy doesn't mean he's got any taste.) Jazz is definitely a sound though. Dave Matthews has that sound.
>I hear in DMB is some of the drumming. Dave Matthews' singing has >nothing to do with jazz, nor his guitar playing. and CERTAINLY not >the songwriting. Jazz is about improvisation, DMB write structured
The drumming? Eh....it's really more of a fusion-y type of drumming, IMHO. But DM's singing? Have you heard the live at Red Rocks album? He does scat singing, which is what singers do when they're....improvising....they also do a ten-minute improv, with a drum solo in it (a helluva solo, btw)....they take songs that are nice and structured and stick seven minutes or more of....improvisation...on to them. The lead track is a fourteen minute version of Seek Up. And I think it's notable that What Would You Say doesn't appear on that album. Take the Under The Table album....the last two tracks are pure jazz (Pay For What You Get and #34). Not really any pop about them. Listen to the way they do All Along The Watchtower--the only version of THAT tune to do something new with it since Jimi--and listen to the sax player's soloing....carrying on Coltrane's torch. Pure dissonance. Hardly the stuff of Kenny G.
>songs. I won't even bother going on because it's so ridiculous. The
But then, you do....
>death metal band Cynic probably has more jazz influences than DMB. I
Doubt it.
Seriously, DMB is not a jazz act in the sense that Benny Goodman was a jazz act. But that doesn't mean they're not a jazz act. Note that Dream Theater is not a metal act in the same way that Led Zeppelin was a metal act. (LZ was considered heavy metal when it first came out, along with Black Sabbath and Deep Purple.)
I guess I'd have to say DMB draws on some funk, maybe a little Pat Metheny, a little cool jazz (like Brubeck) and some fusion too. Yeah, they obviously also draw on pop influences too.
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:15:38 EST From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DP/DT Message-ID: <caa91b98.351eb9fc@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-29 16:14:03 EST, you write:
<< Don't get me wrong, I like DP. I'm just saying that their average fan probably won't have a real open ear for a band like Dream Theater. -Brian >>
yea i must agree, most of them are there cause they think they did "free bird"
just kiddin, don't yell at me Rocky
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:40:34 EST From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Blues and prog rock/math/DMB Message-ID: <53ef209f.351ebfd4@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-29 16:35:36 EST, you write:
<< Jazz includes everything from Duke and Satchmo to Return To Forever to Pat Metheny to, well, Kenny G. >>
sorry i must disagree, playing a c scale isnt jazzy. he stays in the same key, very rarely if ever hits an off note, and plays eightnotes over whole notes.. from my studies the 3 essential parts to jazz is the quarter, eight, and whole note rhythms. maybe i'm wrong, i have been known to be wrong once or twice, or was i mistaken?
Rocky
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:31:11 -0700 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jazzercising. Message-ID: <01bd5b62$601bd000$340d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
><< Jazz includes everything from Duke and > Satchmo to Return To Forever to Pat Metheny to, well, Kenny G. >> > >sorry i must disagree, playing a c scale isnt jazzy. he stays in the same key,
Heheh. Is there a point to categorizing music? I guess some people have nothing better to do.
"I don't like Burger King becuase it's char-broiled. I don't like McDonald's because it's too greasy. I don't like Wendy's..."
*slap*
It's all dead cow ain't it? What difference does it make. Just eat it and shut up. --KorgX3
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:56:37 -0500 From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Megadeath Live Message-ID: <351ED1A5.2E2@mtu.edu>
Hello -
I'm not relly a big Megadeath fan, but I know some of you are, so I thought the following would be usefull. There will be a live Megadeath broadcast via the 'net:
APRIL 2 @ 6:30 PM PT - Megadeth LIVE
Enjoy-
Matt Stanich
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:56:48 -0800 (PST) From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: what band is ELP Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980329145515.10517A-100000@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu>
what band is ELP?
I also saw a promo album for Big Wreck, which said they were formed at the Berkeley School of Music. I always thought they were a band which was on DT's label, which is way they toured together. But maybe the guys know eachother.
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:58:18 -0500 From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Megadeath Live (again) Message-ID: <351ED20A.539B@mtu.edu>
Hello again-
I forgot to include the description:
** MEGADETH LIVE Get ready to rock as Megadeth comes to you LIVE in real audio here at LiveConcerts.com on April 2nd from the House of Blues French Quarter.
Matt Stanich
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:11:19 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Megadeath Live Message-ID: <199803292311.SAA30733@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> APRIL 2 @ 6:30 PM PT - Megadeth LIVE > > http://www.liveconcerts.com/
I just saw Megadeth this past Tuesday night in Norfolk, VA. I'm not even a huge Megadeth fan, and I *really* enjoyed the show. I was actually surprised at how much material I was familiar with. Everyone played extremely well, and they were a lot of fun to watch, too. If you like Deth even a little bit, it would be worth your while to tune in to this one. -d
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:16:07 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: what band is ELP Message-ID: <199803292316.SAA30750@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> what band is ELP?
ELP stands for Emerson Lake and Palmer. Keith Emerson, keyboards, organs, etc.; Greg Lake, guitars, bass, and vocals; and Carl Palmer, drummer extraordinaire. (You've heard Palmer's work in Asia, you've heard Lake's work in Crimson, and I'm sure Emerson has been around as well.) And I'm sure you know their radio hits, such as "Karn Evil 9 - 1st Impression, Part II," "Lucky Man," and a couple others.
> I also saw a promo album for Big Wreck, which said they were > formed at the Berkeley School of Music. I always thought they > were a band which was on DT's label, which is way they toured > together. But maybe the guys know eachother.
I know that BW toured with DT because they're both on Atlantic. Don't know if they knew each other previously. -d
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:10:11 -0500 From: Chris Cerminara <cxc393@email.psu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Megadeath on Real Audio Message-ID: <199803300309.WAA54276@f04n01.cac.psu.edu>
Hey all, If anyone's interested, I just found out that Megadeath will be broadcast live on Real Audio on April 2 at 6:30pm PT. According to the folks at LiveConcerts.com, it's being broadcast from the house of Blues French Quarter. Just thought I'd let everyone know.
Chris
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:52:01 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DMB Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980329195201.0086e6b0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>R. Brito >Who is Dave Matthews Band? Are they worth checking? (I'm serious here).
I think they are definitely worth checking out. Their drummer, Carter Beauford, is simply awesome. Wish I could say the same for the other musicians in the band. None of them come even close to Carter's proficiency. But Dave's writing ability and the band's chemistry make up for what they lack in technique. Dave M. (the guitarist and singer) writes some pretty powerful lyrics here and there.
Stay away from their live stuff, they are a much better studio band, IMO. Check out their album "Crash." "Under the Table and Dreaming" is a great album too, but Crash offers most diversity, more to grab onto as a new DMB listener.
As for what they play, they aren't heavy, arent complicated (usually), but they DO play some great music. There are a bunch of mp3's floating around if you need to check out their style before forking over your cash.
Jon
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:08:39 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Digeridoo Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980329200839.0086ceb0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>i saw him live when he came here. the show just rocked. but you already >covered that. did he have that australian indigenous guy with the big long >pipe? that guy rocked. i wanna get me one of those instruments and annoy >the neighbors. but he actually made it sound really cool. it's like a >7-foot-long or so pipe, maybe 6 inches diameter, wood, and somehow he was >blowing through it and made it sound really cool. i really can't describe >the sound.
Perhaps low and droning? The digeridoo (there are a thousand and one spellings...) is quite an interesting instrument. You described it right (although its probably only 3-4 inches in diameter, but they vary), and to make sound, you would buzz your lips as if you were playing the tuba or trombone. You have to tighten your lips together and blow to create a buzzing sound. Put through the digeridoo it sounds quite eerie. Good players can go on and on for 10 minutes at a time using circle breathing, and can also imitate animals.
>Can somebody step aside from walking on glass, and just say what >kind of odds he has overcome? Does he have both of his arms? >-=AlisOn=-
He has ALS, so in other words, although he has arms, he cant use them. He overcame this obstacle to release the album "Perspectives," written entirely in his head.
>David Hudson's the didgeridoo player, but he wasn't there. I want one of >those, too. There's a place I found called The Music Stand or something >where you can order them for $150 and a video that teaches you how to play. >I'm sure they're just cheap ones, though, but as long as it sounds right, it >works for me. I think I first heard that instrument on Dot and the >Kangaroo. Damn, I miss that cartoon.
Digeridoos are made by taking a suitable branch of wood and shoving it into a termite mound. The termites eat out the inside of the wood to make it hollow. Then aboriginies paint and decorate them. They come in different keys that they naturaly resonate in, C and C# the most common I think. $150 is about on the low end for authentically made digeridoos. It also costs money to import them too.
Jon
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