YTSEJAM Digest 3687
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3685
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
2) didgeridoo
by q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
3) WinAmp Skin
by "Matt Mommaerts" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
4) NDTC (sorta): .ra -> .wav?
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
5) Re: what band is ELP
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
6) Milan 1993
by MentalHunk <MentalHunk@aol.com>
7) Metal Blade
by "Matt Mommaerts" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
8) LTE available at CDNOW
by "Christopher Onjian" <chris@onjian.com>
9) Neils Bohr stuff...NDTC
by "The time is near it is quite clear..." <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
10) yngwie
by Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
11) KC Progressive?
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3686
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
13) ELP
by Robert Linus Koehl <robertk@jove.acs.unt.edu>
14) Infinity sales
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
15) Cynic & Jazz
by q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
16) Cynic and jazz
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
17) DT and BW.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
18) Re: Metal Blade
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
19) My Home Page!!!!!
by "LionelWong" <precious@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
20) Re: My Home Page!!!!!
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
21) Re: New Maiden
by "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE>
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:11:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3685
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980329225937.81332B-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> NO ! This is not right.
> If a record shop has 10 x FII in their stock, it means FII has sold 10 times.
> So many albums went Gold before even their releasing.
If a store has 10 FIIs in stock, that means that 10 FIIs HAVEN'T been
sold. Yes, they have been bought by the record store; no, they have not
been sold to the public. Sales to the public are what are what
is reflected on Billboard charts since Billboard has adopted SoundScan.
Gold and platnium records are awarded on the basis of records sold, not
shipped. I assumed when the original post referred FII doing better than
I&W in terms of sales, he/she/it was referring to sales to public.
> Since she is a super star, ever record shop and mail order company (la CD Now)
> has pre-order her album more than 500 000 world wide. Sure the album will
> be nummber 1 just on week later in lot of countries.
Just because a store orders 500,000 copies, that does not mean that the
album will sell 500,000 copies. That's why record companies have what is
called a "reserve" fund, which basically holds back a portion of the
artist's royalties until it has been determined how many albums have been
returned to the company as unsold.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:12:53 -0800
From: q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: didgeridoo
Message-ID: <352018E5.47FB@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
>>David Hudson's the didgeridoo player, but he wasn't there. I want one >>of
>>those, too. There's a place I found called The Music Stand or >>something
>>where you can order them for $150 and a video that teaches you how to >>play.
>>I'm sure they're just cheap ones, though, but as long as it sounds >>right, it
>>works for me.
$150 for a bit of hollow wood!!! Man...what a scam! Those things are
pretty cheap here in Australia....the hardest thing about playing them
is the circular breathing....in your nose and out your mouth at the same
time!.....Charlie McMahon is a good didgeridoo player...he's a white
Australian with a hook for a hand....
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:26:55 -0600
From: "Matt Mommaerts" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: WinAmp Skin
Message-ID: <001301bd5b94$12c304e0$540a10d0@mattymo.inxpress.net>
I have heard that someone made a Dream Theater Skin for WinAmp, but I
haven't found it yet. Has anyone heard of this?
~matt
The Mosh Pit Homepage: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
My Hompage: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:28:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: NDTC (sorta): .ra -> .wav?
Message-ID: <199803300428.XAA01185@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, some NDTC for the sake of making DTC... I am in the process of
making a b-side DT CD for myself, and I wanted to take the Real Audio
files of Where Are You Now and Raise The Knife and turn them into wav
files so that I can burn them onto a CD... and I am not sure how to
do this... as far as I can tell, I can't convert a RA to a WAV. Can
anyone help? I think that the Real Player Plus has record, but will
only save as a RA, which is, of course, useless... Any help is
appreciated... (also, please don't ask for a copy of the CD, there is
alot of real, official material that I am putting on here, and am not
going to sell it, as it is DT's own official releases)
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:45:49 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: what band is ELP
Message-ID: <v01540b01b144c4f70b42@[205.134.227.198]>
D-Man wrote;
>ELP stands for Emerson Lake and Palmer. Keith Emerson, keyboards, organs,
>etc.; Greg Lake, guitars, bass, and vocals; and Carl Palmer, drummer
>extraordinaire.
And there is one album by ELP (Emerson, Lake and "Cozy" Powell).
> (You've heard Palmer's work in Asia, you've heard Lake's work
>in Crimson, and I'm sure Emerson has been around as well.) And I'm sure you
>know their radio hits, such as "Karn Evil 9 - 1st Impression, Part II," "Lucky
>Man," and a couple others.
Palmer also worked with 'Atomic Rooster' before he joined with ELP. And
Emerson was in 'The Nice' before he's everyone heard ELP.
Regards,
AE
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"Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:56:09 EST
From: MentalHunk <MentalHunk@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Milan 1993
Message-ID: <54eb7828.351f25eb@aol.com>
Hello JAmmers:
I recently borrowed a 2-cd boot from a friend (boy do I wish this was mine !)
to dub and it just blew my mind how good this one sounded. It is put out by
Livestorm , and is entitled simply "Milan 1993". It was recorded at Palasesto-
Milan, Italy
on November 15th , 1993.....I was curious if this boot had other names by
other makers, etc. It has Afterlife and Only a Matter of Time, as well as Eve
and the FULL version of Learning to Live....This one has absolutely
outstanding quality !
I was curious if this was the same show as Dance of Eternity (heard of it but
don't know the date), or whatever otherboot shares this date....
Thanks.
Tom
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:09:27 -0600
From: "Matt Mommaerts" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Metal Blade
Message-ID: <001b01bd5b9a$03e878a0$540a10d0@mattymo.inxpress.net>
is this news to anyone? or is it just something I missed somewhere along the
line:
]From Metal Blade records:
Coming to you next will be some new bands here on the blade. They're called
BESEECH (goth metal) and SPOCKS BEARD (very progressive).
Spocks Beard on Metal Blade? Hmmmmmm
~matt
The Mosh Pit Homepage: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
My Hompage: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:20:31 -0500
From: "Christopher Onjian" <chris@onjian.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LTE available at CDNOW
Message-ID: <01bd5b9b$8f57db00$0101010a@max>
I saw a few posts on here from people who said they were having problems
getting LTE. It is available and in stock at www.cdnow.com I got my copy
there for 12 bucks. They also have quite a few other titles on the Magna
Carta label, as well as other hard to find progressive works.
If this was posted before then just ignore me.. :)
-=Chris=-
chris@onjian.com
www.onjian.com
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:40:55 EST
From: "The time is near it is quite clear..." <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Neils Bohr stuff...NDTC
Message-ID: <009C3EFC.F6441500.38@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Hi All,
reading Jams, and a question about Neils Bohr came up. Bohr developed
a model of the atom much like we think of the planets, where the sun is the
nucleus and the planets are the electrons, rotating around. his model has been
modified, and, using computers, mathematical equations, and the Uncertaintly
Principle (thanks, Heisenberg!), we have the current model, an "electron
cloud", where the electron is seen as being at any point in the "cloud" at any
time. kind of a condenced version, what I've learned from about 5 years of
chemistry (2 in high school....Regents and AP, and 3 in college. now I'm a
Psych major!) I know, no Dream Theater content, but I had to. for more stuff
about Bohr, if you're in college, ask an engineer, biology major, or chemistry
major. all else fails, ask a professor. or the encyclopedia.
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:05:04 -0500
From: Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: yngwie
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980330010458.007ff930@mason.gmu.edu>
I was in my local Tower records and I saw a few of these Yngwie albums that
I hear about so much on this list. I saw a guitar tab book of some album
called Fire and Ice...and this boy seems to play insanely fast. Since
there are hardly any sound samples around (although I haven't looked too
hard), I just may as well shell out some cash and get an album. I was
wondering what y'alls' opinions were as to what the "best" Yngwie album
there is out there... I've never heard of any of his music...so any
information is appreciated. Keep in mind I'm more of a heavy metal fan. :>
Ya can email me if you don't want to waste space on the list. Thanks!
Chris.
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:10:47 -0500
From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: KC Progressive?
Message-ID: <199803300622.WAA16560@odin.ax.com>
>Isn't the whole meaning of the *progressive* that it looks forward
>instead of backwards? Yeah, rock originated from the blues. Prog rock
>and art rock and whatever other pigeonhole you want to throw on it also
>origingated there, naturally, but now that the movement's been around
>for thirty years, the stuff that's being put out right now that's still
>"progressive" (in the literal sense....I don't mean Prog) is NOT based
>on the blues. Case in point: look at what King Crimson's doing. THRAK?
>Even better, THRaKaTTaK? Can you show me how this relates at all to the
>blues? Even look at DT's magnum opus, Images And Words. How is
>Metropolis related to the blues? Wait For Sleep/Learning To Live? If
>they are, it's a distant relationship, like third cousins or something.
>Not a direct progression, like blues to Led Zeppelin, for example.
And Robert Fripp would probably cringe at the fact that you are labeling
KC. He has gone out of his way to make sure that he isn't lumped into a
group. He is very experimental. You are correct that KC has nothing to do
with blues or jazz. (or with anything else for that matter.) DT is a
little different animal, though. The roots leading back to blues are
there. Sure, the direct roots aren't there, but there is influence.
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Jason Birzer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music
"The Longshot" but glittering prizes and endless compromises
shatter the illusion of integrity."
longshot@pressroom.com Rush - The Spirit Of Radio
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:36:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3686
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980330012734.26752A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Stay away from their live stuff, they are a much better studio band, IMO.
> Check out their album "Crash." "Under the Table and Dreaming" is a great
> album too, but Crash offers most diversity, more to grab onto as a new DMB
> listener.
I love their live stuff. "Live @ Red Rocks" is an amazing album. They flow
from song to song with such ease, much the same way DT has been doing
lately. "Crash" has a much looser feel than "Under The Table....," which
is more song-structure oriented. I like 'em both. As for there jazz
influences, I somewhat agree. It's more apparent in the live stuff. They
do a lot of improv, but they're not just extending solos for 20 minutes.
You can actually hear them listening to and echoing each other's melody
lines. So it has that jazz influence (as does LTE). But the music itself
is far from jazz.
Richie
Btw- Hearing Dave M. sing a snippet of John Denver's "Sunshine On My
Shoulders" on "Live At Red Rocks" is worth the price of admission alone.
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:02:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Robert Linus Koehl <robertk@jove.acs.unt.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ELP
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980330004642.26298A-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu>
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 uchid00@mcl.ucsb.edu wrote
> what band is ELP?
Emerson Lake and Palmer. They were and are one of the greatest
progressive bands of all time. Keith Emerson is their keyboardist, Greg
Lake is their Bass player and lead vocalist, and Carl Palmer is their
drummer. Their first gig was in 1969 at the British Isle of Wite concert,
where they did a rock version of Mussorski's "Pictures at an Exhibition."
In addition to doing some of the most original progressive pieces of all
time, they've also dismembered many established classical pieces including
"Fanfare for the Common Man," Copelands "Rodeo," Prokofiev's "Romeo and
Juliet," Holst's "The Planets," and "West Side Story." Their biggest hits
were "Lucky Man" in 1971, "Karn Evil 9" in 1974, and "Paper Blood" in
1992. If your looking for a good ELP album to get, try "Brain Salad
Surgery," "Trilogy" "ELP" or "Black Moon." They also have a ton of live
releases. I'd suggest the 1992 "Live at the Royal Albert Hall" concert
disc over all the others.
They are currently on the "Rhino" label. Check them out, they're cool.
Also, you can find reviews of most of ELPs catalogue on Mark Prindle's
record review site www.users.interport.net/~aske He also has a DT review
or two in his "guest reviews" section.
Robert Koehl
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:18:15 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Infinity sales
Message-ID: <199803300818.KAA23578@cch.estcard.ee>
]From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
> * people who bought I&W and thought that, for some reason, Dream
[snip]
> * people who bought I&W and that really didn't like the way they
> took from there (with the very heavy "Awake" and the simpler FII). This
* some people - like me - who bought three copies of "Images And Words"
and two copies of "Awake" as gifts, just to spread the word, and
haven't bought multiple copies of "Falling Into Infinity" (yet).
:-)
I gotta get a life.
A shameless prog advocacy coming up in a few days!
Raivo Hool
NT administrator,
Estonian Card Center of Banks
e-mail: raitz@estcard.ee
Office: (+372) 6 711 416
GSM: (+372) 51 43 567
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:15:18 -0800
From: q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cynic & Jazz
Message-ID: <35205FC6.366E@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
The jazzy elements of Cynic include the drumming, bass line and those
lush chords that they play when they are not playing heavy.....
I find them very jazzy...especially the drums....
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:15:50 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cynic and jazz
Message-ID: <199803301116.NAA26312@cch.estcard.ee>
> From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
> (Joe Pass, Jaco Pastorius, Art Blakey), I can't find the jazzier
> influences of Cynic.
Neither does Malone. :-)
Okay, there are some vaguely jazzy moments here and there, mostly in
"Veil of Maya" and "Textures", but overall... It isn't jazzy.
Raivo Hool
NT administrator,
Estonian Card Center of Banks
e-mail: raitz@estcard.ee
Office: (+372) 6 711 416
GSM: (+372) 51 43 567
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:04:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.wm.edu>
Subject: DT and BW.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980330070315.18810A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> > I also saw a promo album for Big Wreck, which said they were
> > formed at the Berkeley School of Music. I always thought they
> > were a band which was on DT's label, which is way they toured
> > together. But maybe the guys know eachother.
>
> I know that BW toured with DT because they're both on Atlantic. Don't know if
> they knew each other previously.
actually, that's not the case. When Atlantic sold ATCO records to
Elektra, the name was changed to EastWest - so DT is on Eleketra, not
Atlantic.
- m.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:06:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
Subject: Re: Metal Blade
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980330070531.18810B-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> ]From Metal Blade records:
>
> Coming to you next will be some new bands here on the blade. They're called
> BESEECH (goth metal) and SPOCKS BEARD (very progressive).
>
> Spocks Beard on Metal Blade? Hmmmmmm
Yes and no. Metal Blade will be distributing all Spock's Beard
titles (actually, they're going to distribute everything on Neal's RADIANT
label - but it's only the 3 SB albums) but they are *not* signed to Metal
Blade.
- m.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:12:21 +0800
From: "LionelWong" <precious@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
To: "Vikki Ng" <vikki@gil.com.au>, "Tony" <ce0u5015@liverpool.ac.uk>,
Subject: My Home Page!!!!!
Message-ID: <199803301511.XAA15983@zinc.singnet.com.sg>
I just got my Homepage up! Please go see and let me know if you have any
comments. okie? Thanks!
Especially you musicians in the Jam!
Lionel
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:31:30 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: My Home Page!!!!!
Message-ID: <351FC8E2.3042B026@caribe.net>
LionelWong wrote:
> I just got my Homepage up! Please go see and let me know if you have any
> comments. okie? Thanks!
>
> Especially you musicians in the Jam!
>
> Lionel
It would be nice if we got your url with the message :)
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:38 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New Maiden
Message-ID: <199803301338.uMUo@memo-smtp.sto.sema.se>
--- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46(0)670-16060 98-03-30 15.38
-> ytsejam(a)ax.com
I have only heard one track from the new Maiden: "The Angel and the
Gambler" and me being a fan of Iron Maiden since 1980 think that this
track sucks!!!
All the newspapers in Sweden has slagged it of as rubbish!
They were playing on swedish television TV1 yesterday and i think that
they repeted the chorus to many times, so you get really bored.
Probably i'm going to buy the album anyway as i've always been a collect=
or
of Iron Maiden. But if you're not a collector, i think it's better to
avoid buying the album before you've heard it.
IMHO Greger Ronnqvist
greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se
Check out Jihas! http://hem2.passagen.se/jihas
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