YTSEJAM Digest 3685
Today's Topics:
1) Jason Becker
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
2) Dill's DT boot cd auction
by skooc@earthlink.net
3) Re: KI$$ (NDTC)
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
4) DP/DT
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
5) Derek chat
by Echomanyyz <Echomanyyz@aol.com>
6) I&W sales
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
7) album sales
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
8) Goodbye (for now)
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
9) Re: Jason Becker (live shows??)
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
10) Guitar Things
by someone@prognosis.com
11) Circular Vibrato
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
12) JBecker s End of the begginning
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
13) Re: Jason Becker
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
14) ALS, Jason Becker, and semi-godliness (whatever)
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
15) DMB band jazz? LOL
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
16) Peruvian Skies - Bass?
by Paul Drapeau <drapeau@cs.uri.edu>
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:36:23 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jason Becker
Message-ID: <35D34E47.4984A86D@geocities.com>
Hi jammanoids!
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> From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
> Subject: Petrucci on J Becker.
> Well, upon hearing that song some times now, i have to disagree
> with JP. I found that song very emotional, especially with Michael Lee
> Firkins playing, who i think has a flawless technique, and has
> some damn finesse in every note he plays. Plus, every time i hear that
> song, i m like moved emotionally, and i get a weird feeling, i cannot
> describe what it is.
> How do you guys like this song or record?
What can I say... that is one of the most kick ass songs I've always
heard!!! It's incredibly beautiful, the guitars are just amazing, and I
also have that weird feeling when hearing it (don't know if it's the
same, but, what the hell. :) ) By far, my favorite song on that album!
Every phrase the guy plays is just like the guitar is singing, and the
background musis perfectly fits into the overall atmosphere of the song
(wow! I always wanted to say that. :) )
Changing the subject a little...
I know I'm a little late on this, but Satch's "Crystal Planet" simply
rocks!!! I loved the album!
-- []'s /********************************************\ | Marcelo Vanzin | | vanzin@geocities.com | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ | \********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:23:54 -0800 (PST) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dill's DT boot cd auction Message-ID: <199803290523.VAA05771@norway.it.earthlink.net>
Hi everyone!
The deadline is coming at midnight eastern on Tuesday so I figgered I'd repost this. So far I have $50 bid on Mind Control and $75 for The Dance of Eternity and that's it. If you're interested in any of these please email me privately.
Is anyone interested in some DT boot cd's? I'm putting these up for auction to the highest bidder. Here's how it's going to work.
Bids will be taken until the end of the month (March 31, 1998). At times during this period I'll be updating the list as to what the top bid is for each item. The minimum bid is $25 for single discs and $50 for double discs. Add two dollars for postage for any single cd. more than one cd then the postage is included.
NOTE: These prices are for USA orders. If you are in another country then you'll need to add more for postage. The rate will depend on what country you live in. I will call my post office and ask them and get back to you. OK, enough of that bullshit, here we go! :) Scott
The Dance Of Eternity (2cd) $75 so far Majestic Harmonies (1cd) Lords Of Sound (2cd) Mind Control (2cd) $50 so far When Dream & Today Unite (1cd) Anitquities (1cd) Scenes From A Memory (1cd) Precious Things (1cd) The Darkest of Winters (1cd)
Other misc boot cds Black Sabbath - Live 1980/83 (1cd) (half is with Dio, the other half Ian Gillan) Iron Maiden - Brazil 1996 (1cd) Metallica - Dying Time Is Here (2cd Fan Club only gig 6/96) Cut The Crap (2cd Europe 96) Candy For The Kids (2cd Miami 94 with Rob Halford) Nirvana - Up In Smoke (2cd) Rush - Critical Mass (2cd) Soundgarden - Ugly Flowers (live 89, 1cd) Blow Up The Outside (2cd live 96) Van Halen - US Festival '83 (2cd)
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:56:22 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: KI$$ (NDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980329005542.3143B-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
Mike Portnoy was wearing a Kiss T-shirt??? KICKASS!!!! Sure Kiss ain't the most musicly gifted band in the world (DT is), but the still fucking rule!
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:13:38 -0600 From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DP/DT Message-ID: <199803290614.WAA29031@germany.it.earthlink.net>
>Not to mention, the average middle-aged burnout >at a Deep Purple gig isn't gonna give a tin shit for >a band like DT.
ouch! gimme a break. uh... wait a minute... guess i'm not average am i? <grin>
Izzzzz
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:18:45 EST From: Echomanyyz <Echomanyyz@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek chat Message-ID: <81157b7c.351de7c7@aol.com>
Derek was just in a Metal Edge chat on AOL (keyword: nightclub). According to him, DT will do US shows from May 8 - 23, possibly Irving Plaza on the 11th. He also said ELP will be the third act in the DT/DP tour. He seems very excited about the Playpus album w/ Ty Tabor, John Myung, and Rod Morgenstien, and you can e-mail him (DSherinian@aol.com) with your full name if you want to be on the Platypus mailing list. He also said "canada blows!" and "our singer is a canuck." What a cool dude.
-Ian
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:31:28 -0600 From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I&W sales Message-ID: <199803290632.WAA07840@germany.it.earthlink.net>
>and there are other two kinds of people: >* people who bought I&W and thought that, for some reason, Dream >Theater sucked <snip> >* people who bought I&W and that really didn't like <snip>
there's one more group. (one that i've fallen into thanx to a defective cd player.) when the cd gets trashed, it's gotta be replaced (just like the player). so when i replaced I&W, i picked up 2 - one for each armpit.
probably just blew someone's marketing analysis right out of the water now. ;-)
Izzzzz
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:57:31 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: album sales Message-ID: <351E8B8B.E0D@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
>> I'm sure FII sales will be higher than I&W they have more fans now then they >> did back then. and they have more copies in stores now then they did back > then.
>Just a little point: sales are calculated on the basis of albums SOLD, not >SHIPPED. Just because a lot albums are in the store means nothing, except >that if someone wants to buy the album they can. Now we just have to get >the rest of the world to buy it. > Richie
NO ! This is not right. If a record shop has 10 x FII in their stock, it means FII has sold 10 times. So many albums went Gold before even their releasing.
Sales are calulated on the basis of how many CD's have been left from the record lable (actully from their ditributer).
That's exaclty the reason, why power metal bands are in the German charts. Evey shop in Krefeld has at least more than 4 copies of Primel Fear. And I've searched 8 days long to find the only copie of LTE :-((
Look at Madonna :
Since she is a super star, ever record shop and mail order company (la CD Now) has pre-order her album more than 500 000 world wide. Sure the album will be nummber 1 just on week later in lot of countries.
NP : Jason Becker - Perpetual Burn <---- This album is just from another planet.
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:00:38 +0300 From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Goodbye (for now) Message-ID: <351DFFA6.85EA7371@netvision.net.il>
Hey!
I'm unsubbing for 11 days (going abroad). Just in case anyone actually cares.
BTW: how can I unsubscribe from this list? ;-)
C-ya all, ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> aka Kurush | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 03:00:08 -0600 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Jason Becker (live shows??) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980302030008.007a8d10@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
i think I have the same shows, Im not sure... Im sure about the first gig, cause they say it's their first gig, they play 11 blue and they close with highway to hell of AC/DC.... then I have what may be the san francisco show, it's only marty and jason, right? just playing some improvisations and stuff...Im not sure, maybe I have something different and if it is then I dont have the san francisco and I have another one you dont have.... then I have the Japan show which has only 2 live songs and it's pro shot with interviews and other stuff... I also know jason did a guitar clinic in japan and they taped it but i dont have it, I found a guy who had it but he wanted 40 dollars for a copy... I also have some clips from TV of jason afte the ALS, some clips of jason with eddie, but that's all I know....
does anyone has the complete benefit concert show? I have part of it...please let me know.
At 09:50 AM 28/03/98 -0800, you wrote: > >> Jason Becker is, to borrow a line from Madsman, "no doubt the coolest >> overall guitarist/musician/overall human being on the planet". He and >> Marty Friedman released two shredfest albums as Cacophony, then Jason >> released his own solo album, "Perpetual Burn", raising the bar of >> progressive shred metal guitar even higher. His musicianship and playing >> were astounding -- even though he was only 18 years old > >[snip] > >Hi all, > >With all this talk about Jason, I was wondering if any of had Jason solo or >Cacophony live shows? I have the following myself: > >Cacophony NAMM, Los Angeles, Ca. 00-00-87 (first ever Cacophony show!) >Cacophony Tokyo, Japan 00-00-89 >Cacophony San Fransisco, Ca. 05-05-89 > >All 70 minutes long. On the first show, they also play Eleven (B?)lue Egyptians from >Jason's solo album! Please let me know if there's more. > >Thanks, >Marcel > > > --- Alan Estrada Adler ICQ #9267174 Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/2025 Shredder's Lair: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/ "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do your next." Monterrey, Mexico al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 03:03:23 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guitar Things Message-ID: <199803290859.CAA28916@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu> > Subject: Jason Becker
> Can somebody step aside from walking on glass, and just say what > kind of odds he has overcome? Does he have both of his arms?
Okay, this is not an insult... this is a fact. You're not paying attention. It's great to ask questions and stuff... it's encouraged. But for the love of God, PLEASE read the responses. You had several letters describing what happened to Jason, and describing the ailment. It's not okay for you to expect the jammers to stop and rewrite the same things over and over again, just because you lack the ability or desire to pay attention when someone is trying to help you out. You have nothing to say in response to this, so don't even comment. This is merely a public scolding, and I promise to react with all due wrath if you cry about it. :)
GUITARISTS/TEACHERS, ETC:
I am looking for a few tools for teaching guitar. I need a good way of printing off blank tab paper, blank neck diagrams, and blank chord boxes so I can fill stuff in on my own. It would also be helpful to find a stamp of a blank chord box... 2 of my old teachers had these, and they came in handy. Please respond privately. Thanks!
NP: Abbey Road, The Beatles
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! "The Dude Abides."
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:22:12 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Circular Vibrato Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980329012000.5005A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Friends in music, I was reading over Vai's lesson on vibrato, and I have two questions. First, can anyone tell me which muscles are mostly involved in circular vibrato? Fingers? Wrist? Arm?(probably not) Second, does your finger tip actually change positions on the string between two frets, or does it stay as stationary as possible and pull the string everywhere? I'd love to harness this stuff if you can help. Thanks. Be well. Matt B
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 03:42:33 -0600 (CST) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: JBecker s End of the begginning Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980329033047.83702A-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Well, this is my favorite song off "perspective", and i know it was completely written by Jason Becker, but i cant imagine that song played by him..... I do realize, that if he played it, it might have as much emotion, if not more, than the Lee Firkins version. But Lee Firkins has a playing finnesse very little guitar players have, and that helped a lot in trying to communicate the emotional content of the song.(i think Eric Johnson hast that kind of finnesse) Hey, i dont mean that if a guitarist doesnt possess this finnesse in his guitar playing, cant communnicate very well the emotional side of the song, but my point is that Jason Becker would have played this song very different, and i will always wonder if i would get the same feeling off that song with JB playing.... BTW, has anybody heard "24 Grabd Avenue" by Lee Firkins? It kind of reminds me of certain stage in my life, like my childhood or something. Very nice and subtle playing by the guy. How are his other albums? (any album, but the first)
Mauricio
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:07:33 +1000 From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Jason Becker Message-ID: <l03020901b143e8ee2852@[131.217.133.98]>
>Ok, I'm convinced that there's a general consensus that Jason Becker is a >semi-deity. I'm getting this undertone that he's overcome incredible odds >somehow. Can somebody step aside from walking on glass, and just say what >kind of odds he has overcome? Does he have both of his arms?
This WAS posted on before, so you've missed it..... ANYWAY, YES, he has both of his arms. Doesn't mean they WORK, though. Jason's disease basically attacks his nerve endings, and when they don't work, his muscles don't work..... excercising them helps somewhat, but basically, with Lou Gehrig's disease, you're fucked, not to put too fine a point on it. That Jason is still LIVING is alone an example of great odds he has overcome. From the onest of the disease, the expected life-span is a further five years. Jason was diagnosed I believe over 9 years ago. SO, he has his arms, but the muscles & nerves are screwed, hence he can't use them. And this isn't just extended to his arms, we're talking his whole body, here. Any bodily action has to basically be done by someone else. So, I'd say yes, he is overcoming some incredible odds.
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:04:10 -0500 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ALS, Jason Becker, and semi-godliness (whatever) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980329090410.006a9c1c@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
AlisOn remarked: >Ok, I'm convinced that there's a general consensus that Jason Becker is a >semi-deity. I'm getting this undertone that he's overcome incredible odds >somehow. Can somebody step aside from walking on glass, and just say what >kind of odds he has overcome? Does he have both of his arms?
Yes, he does have both of his arms, but they're practically useless to him by now. Obviously you don't know very much about ALS.
(Pardon me, those who've already heard this rant because they read it the first time) ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease, is a neuromuscular illness which causes weakness, paralysis, wasting away, loss of speech, loss of muscle control, and eventually death when your lungs and heart don't function properly anymore (they're muscles, too). The disease does nothing to your brain -- you are forced to live with yourself as your body, once young and strong (and, in Jason's case, incredibly talented and dexterous) becomes a shell of what it once was. You're trapped in a degenerating hulk, unable to walk, speak, or even feed yourself without assistance.
Normal life expectancy is about 5 years. Jason has lived 9 years since the onset of the disease. That's beating the odds right there.
Now, putting aside for the moment the tragedy that this would be to a musician who can't play the instrument he loves so dearly, let's consider how most people would feel in the same situation. Depressed? You bet. Angry at the situation? Damn right. Despairing, losing faith, hating life? Probably.
Jason has refused to let any of this get him down. He maintains steadfastly that he will be healed and puts on a good face every time he wakes up in the morning. He is unfailingly cheerful and upbeat, appearing at benefits and concerts in his name when his strength permits. He's found ways to continue writing and recording the music that he loves so, with the aid of computers and tireless assistance from his friends and fellow musicians. The last I heard, he was planning to get married to his girlfriend Serrana.
No, I don't think Jason's a semi-deity. But to stay cheerful and positive, find ways to beat the disease that's wearing him down, and still manage to keep on with his music in the face of all he's gone through -- well, I call that a triumph. *You* can call it what *you* want (and I'm sure you will).
Ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Conception -- "In Your Multitude"
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:20:44 -0500 From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DMB band jazz? LOL Message-ID: <199803291521.KAA25567@mailnfs0.tiac.net>
> Somebody mentioned DT opening for Dave Matthews....don't get me wrong, I > think the DMB is one of those incredibly rare acts that get attention > equivalent to their talent, but good god--DT open for DMB? No way. It's > just not a good match. Seriously--a prog-metal band opening for a jazz > outfit? (DMB is jazz, ladies and germs, in case you don't realize > it....)
Is this a joke? DMB are not jazz, they are a pop band with good musicians and a wide variety of influences but what it comes down to is they write catchy tunes. I don't know what your definition of jazz is....do you think Kenny G is jazz too? The only jazz influence I hear in DMB is some of the drumming. Dave Matthews' singing has nothing to do with jazz, nor his guitar playing. and CERTAINLY not the songwriting. Jazz is about improvisation, DMB write structured songs. I won't even bother going on because it's so ridiculous. The death metal band Cynic probably has more jazz influences than DMB. I don't feel like I have to bring up a jazz history lesson because I'm not sure how much knowledge you have on the subject....but if you are indeed a knowledgable jazz person I'd like to hear your logic.
Adam
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:17:02 -0500 From: Paul Drapeau <drapeau@cs.uri.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Peruvian Skies - Bass? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980329101702.0093f7b0@cs.uri.edu>
Does anyone out there have Peruvian Skies tabbed for bass? That is one of my favorite DT bass tunes... I would be more then happy if someone even had the riff that is under the verses figured out...
By the way... I want to thank... Paul Humm (humm@levy.com) for going above and beyond the call of duty to get me some bass lines from old guitar mags! Thank you!!!!
-Paul
----------------------------------------------- Paul Drapeau drapeau@cs.uri.edu http://www.cs.uri.edu/~drapeau/ Age of Valor Live Role Playing http://www.larp.com/valor/
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