YTSEJAM Digest 3688
Today's Topics:
1) Record Sales
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
2) DMB and Cynic
by someone@prognosis.com
3) Re: Fav DT
by "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE>
4) Platypus (Sherinian, Myung, Ty Tabor...)
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
5) DT Concert
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
6) Best Yngwie Album
by "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
7) UPDATE
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
8) Quick Yngwie rating
by Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@sek.uib.no>
9) best Yngwie
by Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
10) DT UK gig upcoming...
by Chad Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
11) Re: Blues and prog rock/math/DMB
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
12) new cds/stuff
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
13) Re: what band is ELP
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
14) Re: Milan 1993
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
15) Help getting LTE.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
16) Jazz / JPM100 / DT Paper
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
17) Joke Birthday Greeting - Need Your Help! (NDTC)
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
18) Re: Milan 1993, New Iron Maiden
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:13:43 -0500
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Record Sales
Message-ID: <5FF8E39ABAB3D111A4E100600808ACE51749ED@HAMSXHA2>
On 30 Mar, Richard Rivera wrote,
>> NO ! This is not right.
>>If a record shop has 10 x FII in their stock, it means FII has sold 10
times.
>> So many albums went Gold before even their releasing.
>
>If a store has 10 FIIs in stock, that means that 10 FIIs HAVEN'T been
>sold. Yes, they have been bought by the record store; no, they have not
>been sold to the public. Sales to the public are what are what
>is reflected on Billboard charts since Billboard has adopted SoundScan.
>Gold and platnium records are awarded on the basis of records sold, not
>shipped. I assumed when the original post referred FII doing better
than
>I&W in terms of sales, he/she/it was referring to sales to public.
Well, I know that when I was working at Tower (and SoundScan was in
place at the time), Billboard went on the number of albums that were
sold by the record company, NOT by the number of albums that were sold
by the store. This is why albums can go Gold, or even Platinum, before
they see the light of day.
Nicholas Giannotti
"Anyone who believes in psychokineses, please raise my right hand."
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:43:44 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DMB and Cynic
Message-ID: <199803301640.KAA18577@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
> Subject: Re: DMB band jazz? LOL
>
> On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Adam Cook wrote:
>
> > The death metal band Cynic probably has more jazz influences than DMB.
>
> Well, I have "Focus" by Cynic and every review of this album that
> I heard/read mentioned that they were absolutely spetacular, with jazz
> influences. Well, I don't get it. I know very little jazz and I *do* know
> that jazz is a very broad category of music, but from the little I know
> (Joe Pass, Jaco Pastorius, Art Blakey), I can't find the jazzier
> influences of Cynic.
Key changes, chord voicings, the drumming (TOTALLY jazz
influenced) the bass (This is Sean Malone... the dude reharms Giant
Steps on his solo album... just assume he knows what he's doing if
you don't know the tune), the attention to dynamics, and last but not
least, the soloing taken straight from Allan Holdsworth's bag o'
tricks. These guys are NOT JAZZ. But they are clearly jazz
influenced.
> From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Blues and prog rock/math/DMB
> >Is this a joke? DMB are not jazz, they are a pop band with good
> >musicians and a wide variety of influences but what it comes down to
> >is they write catchy tunes. I don't know what your definition of
>
> Um, yeah, they have an understanding of pop, certainly...and yeah, quite
> a few of their songs are catchy.....
>
> >jazz is....do you think Kenny G is jazz too? The only jazz influence
>
> Jazz is a feeling. Rock is easy to define....got that backbeat, lots of
I don't know about that. There are certain tonal and technical
characteristics that define jazz. I don't think you can call a group
"Jazz" if they only satisfy some of the criteria. That's why I
wouldn't call Cynic jazz.
> guitar, etc. Jazz is looser. Jazz includes everything from Duke and
> Satchmo to Return To Forever to Pat Metheny to, well, Kenny G. (Just
> because he's a jazz guy doesn't mean he's got any taste.) Jazz is
> definitely a sound though. Dave Matthews has that sound.
When you ask Pat Metheny what his music is, he will pause for a
second before he calls it jazz. That's because it's not jazz in any
traditional sense... they write new sounding music, but approach it
in the way they've been trained... as seasoned jazz players. Metheny
might not even be called jazz if he hadn't already released albums
with standards amd typical jazz elements. Return to Forever is
fusion. Kenny G is easy listening. Neither of those two are really
full on jazz... but it's easier to identify them that way than to say
"Return to Forever is a fusion band with influences from latin music
and rock music, showcasing extreme technical ability" (unless you're
writing a review).
DMB is not jazz. They are pop. I wouldn't doubt that they have
some jazz influences, but certainly no more than their pop
influences. They may have some really tight drumming, and there may
be scat singing, but these things did not originate in jazz, and they
don't make DMB jazz now. He's got some of the elements in his
music... some of the songs emphasize the 2 and the 4 instead of 1 and
3, and they are more complex than the average pop band of the day,
but I don't think they're more complex or more jazzy than The Police,
and I don't know ANYONE who would call The Police "jazz".
> The drumming? Eh....it's really more of a fusion-y type of drumming,
> IMHO. But DM's singing? Have you heard the live at Red Rocks album? He
> does scat singing, which is what singers do when
> they're....improvising....they also do a ten-minute improv, with a drum
> solo in it (a helluva solo, btw)....they take songs that are nice and
> structured and stick seven minutes or more of....improvisation...on to
> them. The lead track is a fourteen minute version of Seek Up.
Scatting and improv are parts of just about every kind of music,
right down to country, rap, and R&B. I have shred songs with
Scatting, folk songs with scatting... I even have a Jeff Watson
tune with Sammy Hagar scatting on it.
Long songs aren't necessarily jazz songs. In fact, early jazz tunes
are usually very short.
> think it's notable that What Would You Say doesn't appear on that album.
> Take the Under The Table album....the last two tracks are pure jazz (Pay
> For What You Get and #34). Not really any pop about them. Listen to the
> way they do All Along The Watchtower--the only version of THAT tune to
> do something new with it since Jimi--
Never heard Shawn Lane's version or Hedges' version, have you?
> and listen to the sax player's
> soloing....carrying on Coltrane's torch. Pure dissonance. Hardly the
> stuff of Kenny G.
No. No you don't. This is like when my English teacher asked me
for the names of some musicians who died because of their art and I
named Coltrane, and he said "What about Kurt Cobain?" I can't stand
seeing that kind of comparison. Cobain is not worth the spittle in
Coltrane's sax. The sax player in DMB is NOT carrying on Coltrane's
ANYTHING. You're doing the equivalent of saying (if Petrucci died)
Stone Gossard is carrying on Petrucci's torch. It's bad, man. Real
bad. :)
> >death metal band Cynic probably has more jazz influences than DMB. I
>
> Doubt it.
Doubt all you want, but casting judgement before listening only
makes you ignorant.
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
"The Dude Abides."
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:42 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, campbell@dickinson.edu
Subject: Re: Fav DT
Message-ID: <199803301642.8XNV@memo-smtp.sto.sema.se>
--- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46(0)670-16060 98-03-30 18.42
-> ytsejam(a)ax.com
-> campbell(a)dickinson.edu
1. What is your favorite DT song?
-A Change Of Seasons
2. Assuming DT is your favorite band, what band would you choose as you=
r
second favotite?
-(At the moment): Par Lindh Project
Greger Ronnqvist
greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se
http://hem2.passagen.se/jihas
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:52:14 -0500
From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Platypus (Sherinian, Myung, Ty Tabor...)
Message-ID: <351FCDBE.DBCEB82E@erinet.com>
Does anybody know what label this will be on in the U.S.?
Thanks,
Dan
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:32:38 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Concert
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980330192937.32210A-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Heya everybody
Just checked the tourdates at rsabbs.com and dreamt.org and I might add
this one:
DT plays at Graspop, in Dessel, Belgium, on sunday, june 28th, together
with Fear Factory and Black Sabbath (in their original line-up: Osbourne,
Iommi, Ward and Butler).
Hope this may interest all you european fans out there...
Peter
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
peter.geerts@student.kuleuven.ac.be
Eerste Kan. Pol&Soc, Leuven Original Quotes Are Appreciated
Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen At The Adresses Listed On The Left
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:58:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Best Yngwie Album
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980330125616.28505A-100000@alpha.dickinson.edu>
Someone asked about what Yngwie album's would be good to buy:
I would recommend "Yngwie Malmsteem's Rising Force" and "Trilogy." Rising
Force has some sunning intrumentals on it...like "Black Star" and "Far
Beyond the Sun," while Trilogy boasts more vocals and some real classics
like "Queen In Love," "You Don't Remember..." and "Liar."
Hope this helps.
Dave Campbell
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:08:26 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UPDATE
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980330200528.32210B-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Okay, i got an update on the DT concert in Belgium:
GRASPOP METAL MEETING: sunday, june 28th in Dessel, Belgium
Black Sabbath/Dream Theater/Coal Chamber/Savatage/Neurosis...
others will follow soon, Fear Factory is not confirmed (yet?)
Hope to see a lot of you dutch, French and Belgian guys over there...
Peter
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
peter.geerts@student.kuleuven.ac.be
Eerste Kan. Pol&Soc, Leuven Original Quotes Are Appreciated
Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen At The Adresses Listed On The Left
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:47:40 GMT+1
From: Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@sek.uib.no>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Quick Yngwie rating
Message-ID: <53AA2E6EB8@humanistisk.hd.uib.no>
Someone asked about Yngwie:
1.Rising Force
2.Triology
3.Marching Out
4.Live in Leningrad
5.Seventh Sign
6.Odyssey
7.Eclipse
8.Facing The Animal
9.Magnum Opus
Smooth & Easy!
Kyrre
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:56:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: best Yngwie
Message-ID: <199803301856.NAA02175@fuzzfactor.com>
Marching Out
Odyssey
The Seventh Sign
The Yngwie Malmsteen Collection
many people would probably say "Trilogy" also, but other than the Trilogy Suite
and You Don't Remember...I'll Never Forget I don't hear any real standouts on that
CD.
Don't get all four, 'cause they all sound the same anyway <depending on, of
course, the singer>.
:)
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:08:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Chad Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT UK gig upcoming...
Message-ID: <199803301908.NAA13132@telepath.com>
Someone on another list asked...
>
>Whilst at the gig, I read a couple of gig-guides and noticed that Dream
>Theatre (sp?) are playing a gig in the UK next month. Typically, I can't
>remember any more details than that and don't have the info with me.
>If anyone else has details, perhaps they'd like to let us know....
If a few of you good folks would be so kind as to drop me a line with the
particulars, I'll forward the info :)
Chad Mitchell
"Doctors get to bury their mistakes...Architects can only advise their
clients to plant vines."
-- Frank Lloyd Wright
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 98 13:40:12 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Blues and prog rock/math/DMB
Message-ID: <351ff51b60f8002@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
Original Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:45:08 -0800 (PST)
> Led Zeppelin was considered heavy metal when it first came out
I like the rest of your post, but I had to point out that this isn't
accurate. The label 'heavy metal' didn't exist when Zeppelin came out.
People (ignorant people) started calling them that later on. Sabbath is
usually considered the 'first' metal band (if you can even call anyone the
first).
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:52:15 +0000
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new cds/stuff
Message-ID: <351FB19F.66D3@bdm.com>
I got the new Van Halen cd Saturday. It's not bad and it's not great.
I also bought Bozzio Levins and Stephens disc. This one is pretty
interesting. What amazes me was Best Buy had literally 50 copies of this
disc. Is it selling that well? Of course Best Buy did not have LTE nor
did they have any other magna carta discs. In fact the Bozzio, Levins,
Stephens disc is the only magna carta cd I have ever seen at Best Buy.
As for Spock's Beard being on Metal Blade, it doesn't matter. Not all
bands on Metal Blade are metal. The Goo Goo Dolls used to be on it.
As for all this crap about Titanic, you can't give an opinion of a movie
unless you have gone and actually SEEN it.
-- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email : pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:02:44 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: what band is ELP Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980330170112.3414A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Charoenkwan Luesumphan wrote:
> D-Man wrote; > > >ELP stands for Emerson Lake and Palmer. Keith Emerson, keyboards, organs, > >etc.; Greg Lake, guitars, bass, and vocals; and Carl Palmer, drummer > >extraordinaire. > > And there is one album by ELP (Emerson, Lake and "Cozy" Powell).
You're right, but that line-up is usually called ELPowell.
> > (You've heard Palmer's work in Asia, you've heard Lake's work > >in Crimson, and I'm sure Emerson has been around as well.) And I'm sure you > >know their radio hits, such as "Karn Evil 9 - 1st Impression, Part II," "Lucky > >Man," and a couple others. > > Palmer also worked with 'Atomic Rooster' before he joined with ELP. And > Emerson was in 'The Nice' before he's everyone heard ELP.
Which I've been told that "The Nice" sucked big time (not the keyboards, though).
> Regards, > AE
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:04:42 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Milan 1993 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980330170258.3414B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, MentalHunk wrote:
[Milan 1993] > I was curious if this was the same show as Dance of Eternity (heard of it but > don't know the date), or whatever otherboot shares this date....
No, it's the same as "Lost in the Sky". The "The Dance of Eternity" (look for the article *THE*) is the one with the old version of "A Change of Seasons".
> Thanks. > Tom
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:23:53 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Help getting LTE. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980330132056.30026A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Hey people, Being that I use Lynx to access the web, and being that I do that because I'm forced to use DOS, I am unable to access that special CDBLVD celebrate thing. Would someone mind going and purchasing LTE for the $10 off thing and then I could pay you the reduced rate and you could send the CD? I'd really appreciate it. I might order three CD's, just so I wouldn't have to pay double S&H. Thanks very much. Wellness. Matt B (mattb@mbay.net) P.S. You'd probably have to get back to me soon so we can work this out.
============================================================================ ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! Guitarist in the Santa Cruz/Monterey area of California seeks innovative, experimental, technical, and fun-loving musicians to create works of art and share them with the public. Enquire if interested. mattb@mbay.net ================================================================================= "That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:08:05 -0500 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jazz / JPM100 / DT Paper Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980330170805.00766144@postoffice.ptd.net>
Hey, what's up, 'jamrz?? Three questions:
1. Jazz: I haven't really Taken the Time to explore much jazz yet, but I like some of the things I've heard. Could someone recommend a good couple of artists/albums to start off with, having DT as an influence? An example of the *type* of stuff I'd be into would be JP's "Example 13" sample from Rock Discipline . . :) I'm pretty open-minded - I just want to start off with something instrumental (not crazy about jazzy vox) and atmospheric. What are some *essentials*, especially for a guitarist??
2. My next guitar: I'm considering forking over the big $$ for a JPM. Since I've heard that this guitar is *based* on the RG series, I'd like to know basically what would make the JPM worth spending the extra $500+ for. I like the pick-up configuration idea, and I know the neck is supposed to not be as thick, and the paint-job's cool . . . but if I bought an RG570, and possibly added other pick-ups (Air Zone, Evolution) to it in the future, would that be more worth it?
3. Research paper on DT: That's right, I'm seriously considering doing my 4th quarter research paper on OFB. If anyone has any suggestions on what I might include, keeping in mind that it's a 5-7 page paper for a high school senior, I'd appreciate your sharing them with me.
E-mail privately if you so desire. Sorry for yet *another* long post, and hope this elicits at least *some* responses . . .
Carpe Diem, Brian
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:31:17 -0600 From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert) To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Joke Birthday Greeting - Need Your Help! (NDTC) Message-ID: <01bd5c2b$8e57a6a0$672227d1@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
A friend of mine has a friend whose b-day is coming up soon. I've decided that mass-scale confusion is in order - so I need everyone to give this girl a big happy email birthday greeting on April 3rd. Name and age are of no importance... just be creative. Thanks! Her address is: Beffy45@aol.com .
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:22:24 EST From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Milan 1993, New Iron Maiden Message-ID: <8a2327f5.35202932@aol.com>
Hi there -
Milan 1993, as far as I know, is a replica of "Lost In the Sky". And yes, it is an absolutely KILLER boot... it's my personal fave of the many boot CD's I own.
As far as the "Angel and the Gambler", yes, this song sucks moose dick!!! It's horrible! However, fear not.... the rest of the CD is pretty damn good. I also had been told that the new album was awesome, and I found Maiden's 2-part import CD single for AATG in the store, so I picked it up. Holy crap, was I disappointed!! Then, I got really scared, but I bought the album just because I've been a lifelong fan. I was very pleased to find out that the rest of the album rocks. Not "classic" like all of the stuff from Killers through Somewhere In Time, but I like it better than the X-Factor.
Anywho... that's it. Dinner's waiting, then it's hoops tonight. Go UTES!!!! :-)
Laterz..... Matt T.
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