YTSEJAM digest 3689

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Date: Tue Mar 31 1998 - 11:09:34 EST

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    Today's Topics:

      1) re: Yngwie recommendations
     by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
      2) DMB, Cynic, and Jazz
     by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
      3) Jazz/JPM
     by someone@prognosis.com
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3688
     by drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell)
      5) jazz
     by "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
      6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3688
     by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
      7) Jaxx 1/3
     by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
      8) Assorted Flavours
     by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
      9) cynic and jazz
     by tim spear <veilmaya@dircon.co.uk>
     10) Stratovarius 'Visions Of Europe' review
     by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
     11) DT icons
     by rjurado <rjurado@eiger.com.ph>
     12) DT AVIs
     by "Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
     13) "Heavy Metal"
     by "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
     14) Dream Theater
     by Javier Barber Domingo <dbarber@ext.step.es>
     15) Leaving on a jet plane...
     by "David Ware"<djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com>
     16) Re: jazz
     by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>

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    Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:22:23 -0800 (PST)
    From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: re: Yngwie recommendations
    Message-ID: <19980330232223.28232.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>

    Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu> wrote:

    >I was in my local Tower records and I saw a few of >these Yngwie
    albums that
    >I hear about so much on this list. I was
    >wondering what y'alls' opinions were as to what the >"best" Yngwie
    album
    >there is out there... I've never heard of any of his >music...so any
    >information is appreciated. Thanks!
    >Chris.

    Let's see... My first "Yngwie" album was "Steeler". Don't get it
    though. He was just brought in at the last minute to play lead. (Ron
    Keel singing; gag!)

    I highly recommend "Alcatrazz / No Parole From Rock n' Roll." Graham
    Bonnet's singing takes some getting used to, but it is really good
    once you're used to it. Yngwie wrote 90% of the music on this one. Of
    course the classic Yngwie album is his first solo "Yngwie J.
    Malmsteen's Rising Force", with the guitar coming out of the fire on
    the cover. It really was a break-through in guitar playing. Check out
    the date of release on these discs. Way before any of the
    Yngwie-clones started to appear. (OK, Yngwie influenced players...)

    my $.02, BH

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    Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:55:20 -0500
    From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: DMB, Cynic, and Jazz
    Message-ID: <199803302355.SAA26974@mailnfs0.tiac.net>

    Word up,

    >These guys [Cynic] are NOT JAZZ. But they are clearly jazz
    > influenced.

    Agreed.

    > > Jazz is a feeling. Rock is easy to define....got that backbeat, lots of

    >
    > I don't know about that. There are certain tonal and technical
    > characteristics that define jazz. I don't think you can call a group
    > "Jazz" if they only satisfy some of the criteria. That's why I
    > wouldn't call Cynic jazz.

    These days jazz is hard enough to define without including pop record. A
    lot of these "smooth" jazz stuff is now being synonymous with ocntemporary
    jazz. This makes things very difficult. I agree that a certain part of jazz
    is the feeling, the spontanaiety, and smooth jazz has no more of this
    feeling than DMB. However, certain artists in jazz (Coltrane, Parker,
    Dizzy, etc.) made jazz THE artform that took music to its harmonic extent.
    Jazz came to encompass so many different styles (Dixieland, swing, bop,
    latin, big band, fusion, etc) it makes it very difficult to categorize.
    Even Ritchie Blackmore once said, "I recommend to all guitar players to
    learn and transcribe saxophone solos because the average sax player can
    play much better than the average guitar player."

    > > and listen to the sax player's
    > > soloing....carrying on Coltrane's torch. Pure dissonance. Hardly the
    > > stuff of Kenny G.

    Please learn your background information before you make comparisons.
    Coltrane is one of the hardest working and most talented musicians to ever
    LIVE. Read his biography some time. I've never even heard the DMB sax
    player but I can ASSURE you he is nowhere near the virtuosity and
    musicianship that is John Coltrane. Pick up the cd Giant Steps sometime and
    mabye you begin to get an understanding of how much work goes into making
    that kind of music.

    > Cobain is not worth the spittle in
    > Coltrane's sax.

    Hahaha, wonderfully put.

    > Hey, what's up, 'jamrz?? Three questions:
    >
    > 1. Jazz: Could someone recommend a good couple
    > of artists/albums to start off with, having DT as an influence?

    Well it depends. I think somebody coming from your background would
    probably want to consider jumping into the fusion realm (jazz/rock) before
    diving into jazz. The best soloing in jazz is generally found in the hard
    bop period of the 50's and 60's. Prior to that it was mostly bigband which
    was arrangements and you probbaly won't get into right away at least. I'd
    recommend some guitar players maybe because it's easiest to relate to when
    coming from a rock background. Check out Mike Stern's latest release "Give
    and Take" for some great stuff. Pat Martino recently did a record with Jeff
    Beck and Joe Satriani siting in on a couple tracks. Other names you should
    familiarize yourself with are John Mclaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra
    (any of these cds are great), John Scofield, Wes Montgomery and Pat
    Metheny.

    If you're ready to jump right into the horns there are a few essentials.
    Get Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" which has one of the most impressive
    lineups ever, including Miles and John Coltrane on tenor sax. The cool
    thing about jazz is all the great musicians played on each others albums!

    Adam

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    Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:13:18 +0000
    From: someone@prognosis.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Jazz/JPM
    Message-ID: <199803310009.SAA03050@wheat.farm.niu.edu>

    > From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
    > Subject: Jazz / JPM100 / DT Paper

    > 1. Jazz: I haven't really Taken the Time to explore much jazz yet, but I
    > like some of the things I've heard. Could someone recommend a good
    > couple of artists/albums to start off with, having DT as an influence? An
    > example of the *type* of stuff I'd be into would be JP's "Example 13"
    > sample from Rock Discipline . . :) I'm pretty open-minded - I just want to
    > start off with something instrumental (not crazy about jazzy vox) and
    > atmospheric. What are some *essentials*, especially for a guitarist??

            Well, I'm not sure what you're hoping for, but there isn't a whole
    lot of Jazz that sounds anything like exercise 13 on Rock
    Discipline... :) Seriously, though... you need to look to horn
    players as much as guitarists. Any of the Original Jazz Classics 5
    star recordings are a great place to start, as are any of the Blue
    Note remasters. I'd recommend Giant Steps and Blue Train from
    Coltrane (sax mainly) to start you on the psycho stuff, and Workin',
    Relaxin', and Kinda Blue from Miles Davis for the more laid back
    stuff. Of course there are Hundreds and HUNDREDS of cds you're gonna
    need eventually if you really want to get into jazz.
            For guitar recordings, check out Boss Guitar and Incredible Jazz
    Guitar by Wes Montgomery for a look at a real swinging player... this
    is real jazz guitar. Check out Benson's Cookbook, and Martino's East
    and El Hombre for a more "on top of the beat" type of playing. If
    you can't handle it, and need shred, you might want to try John
    McLaughlin's The Promise (which is only jazz in a very loose sense...
    McLaughlin can't swing to save his life, though his technique is
    flawless, and he can certainly write).
            Bottom line, though, you need some horn players. You have to start
    understanding where their phrasing is coming from (try transcribing
    some Miles lines, and try to emulate the feel). I guarantee you,
    your ability to shred like Paul Gilbert will do you no good at all in
    Jazz. You need to be able to stay away from scalar playing, and you
    have to be able to swing 8th notes... it's not as easy as you or your
    drum machine want to believe. I'm going through this now, and MAN do
    I suck at Jazz!

    > 2. My next guitar: I'm considering forking over the big $$ for a JPM.
    > Since I've heard that this guitar is *based* on the RG series, I'd like to
    > know basically what would make the JPM worth spending the extra $500+ for.
    > I like the pick-up configuration idea, and I know the neck is supposed to
    > not be as thick, and the paint-job's cool . . . but if I bought an RG570,
    > and possibly added other pick-ups (Air Zone, Evolution) to it in the
    > future, would that be more worth it?

            The JPM is not worth the price tag. You're better off with any
    comparable lesser known company that isn't Ibanez. Jacksons, Ibanez,
    Fender, Washburn, most of the axes these companies are putting out
    are way lower quality than they should be. If you ARE gonna go with
    Ibanez, get a hardshell case, and keep it in the case when you're not
    playing, if you want to try to avoid fretting out all the time. I'm
    a firm believer that the smaller, less known companies, and the
    guitar shop customs are infinitely better than the trash coming out
    these days... An older used Ibanez is about 100 X better than a new
    one (and still ain't great).

    Chris Ptacek
    someone@prognosis.com
    http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
    Go Home and Practice!
    "The Dude Abides."

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    Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:35:17 -0500
    From: drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3688
    Message-ID: <19980330.203517.19838.0.drussell29@juno.com>

    Has FII gone gold or Plat???? Just curious...email me back in private
    if you know.....later

    Dan

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    Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:30:34 -0600
    From: "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
    To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: jazz
    Message-ID: <199803310530.AAB56148@mail1y-int.prodigy.net>

    1. Jazz: I haven't really Taken the Time to explore much jazz yet, but I
    like some of the things I've heard. Could someone recommend a good couple
    of artists/albums to start off with, having DT as an influence? An example
    of the *type* of stuff I'd be into would be JP's "Example 13" sample from
    Rock Discipline . . :) I'm pretty open-minded - I just want to start off
    with something instrumental (not crazy about jazzy vox) and atmospheric.
    What are some *essentials*, especially for a guitarist??

    George Benson. Period.

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    Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:37:50 -0500 (EST)
    From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3688
    Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980331001548.29438A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>

    On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

    > Well, I know that when I was working at Tower (and SoundScan was in
    > place at the time), Billboard went on the number of albums that were
    > sold by the record company, NOT by the number of albums that were sold
    > by the store. This is why albums can go Gold, or even Platinum, before
    > they see the light of day.
    >
    Okay, I'm going to give this one more try: SoundScan is like that
    scanner at the grocery store. The actual purchase AT RETAIL is noted and
    sent to some big data base, thus it is able to measure what the consumers
    actually buy, not what the store has ordered. Billboard uses SoundScan to
    compile it's charts, so......
                                            Richie

    P.S. Actually, I think I just figured out where the confusion lies. WHEN
    did you work for Tower? Because SoundScan existed before Billboard
    adopted it ('91 or '92, can't remember). Never mind. I give up......

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    Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:15:22 -0500
    From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Jaxx 1/3
    Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980331011522.007ddc30@mindspring.com>

    Hey folks...

    I have a friend desparately looking for the Jaxx 1/3/98 DT show on any
    media (vid, CD, DAT, MD, cass). He and I both have trade fodder if anyone
    has this show, or a 2:1 would be acceptable as well. Please let me know
    ASAP.

    <POOR COLLEGE STUDENT GROVEL>

    If there's any new traders that would like to start their collection of DT
    boots, I've got some relatively rare shows that I'd be happy to do a 2 for
    1 trade on. (ie, instead of trading you send two blank cassettes for every
    one you want back plus return postage - standard trading stuff) Things
    like the Foundations Forum show w/ Jordan Rudess, the European show with
    the live debut (AFAIK) of Trial of Tears (4/16/97) and some other cool
    stuff. The reason I'm saying this is that I've made so many trades for the
    Rudess show I'm out of money for tapes after I complete these trades. Yes,
    college after Spring Break is not for the cash impaired. Yikes... :) My
    list URL is in the .sig, or email me for a text version.

    </POOR COLLEGE STUDENT GROVEL>

    Take care all, and thanks in advance for any info on that Jaxx show...

    __________________________________________________
    Adam Pye
    alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com
    http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html
    ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists
    __________________________________________________

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    Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 03:01:59 -0500
    From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Assorted Flavours
    Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980331030159.00742130@pop.wam.umd.edu>

    >Charlie McMahon is a good didgeridoo player...he's a white
    >Australian with a hook for a hand....

    I think I met him once. He was hanging onto my bumper that night the
    trucker was blinking his highbeams in my rearview mirror... But that's a
    subject best left to the campfire.

    >Black Sabbath/Dream Theater/Coal Chamber/Savatage/Neurosis...

    (It's times like this that make me wish I lived in Belgium...)

    Why is it Coal Chamber gets billing ahead of Savatage? That ain't fair.
    Coal Chamber...more like Vomit Bandthatsucksalot. Cripes, they aren't fit
    to spit-shine 'Tage's boots! And that's a fact, by the way, and not just
    my opinion...

    >In fact the Bozzio, Levins,
    >Stephens disc is the only magna carta cd I have ever seen at Best Buy.

    Back in the day, they had all them 'tribute discs' too. I believe all
    those are finally sold out. And, seeing as how BB doesn't restock when it
    does sell out, don't expect to find 'em anymore. For a store with
    thousands upon thousands of discs, you'd think they'd have *one* Gentle
    Giant album!! (just an example -- Marillion would also fit, as would many
    other pretty big-name bands)

    >As for all this crap about Titanic, you can't give an opinion of a movie
    >unless you have gone and actually SEEN it.

    Three words: man hitting propellor. 'Nuff said.

    >Which I've been told that "The Nice" sucked big time (not the
    >keyboards, though).

    Bah. Who told you that? I haven't heard a terrible amount from them, but
    what I have listened to was quality material. Especially "America", during
    the performances for which, and I'm sure all you canucks'll love this, an
    American flag was regularly burned.

    Remember the Alamo.

    Brian "Medium Worst" Henderson

    ===========================
    Name:
     W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
    Contact:
     hender@wam.umd.edu
    ROBOT-CENTRAL:
     http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
    ===========================

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    Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 09:41:30 +0100
    From: tim spear <veilmaya@dircon.co.uk>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: cynic and jazz
    Message-ID: <199803310844.JAA05161@intranet.internal.blueberry.co.uk>

    >> (Joe Pass, Jaco Pastorius, Art Blakey), I can't find the jazzier
    >> influences of Cynic.
    >
    >Neither does Malone. :-)
    >
    >Okay, there are some vaguely jazzy moments here and there, mostly in
    >"Veil of Maya" and "Textures", but overall... It isn't jazzy.

    hmmm....depends what you would define as a "jazzy" sound. It's well
    reported that the band was heavily influenced by the big fusion bands,
    weather report etc, and on the UK "focus" tour, the band played "meeting
    of the spirits"(?) by mahavishnu orchestra. When I spoke to Sean Reinert
    over a year ago, he described how he made a conscious effort throughout
    the writing and performance of the music to make it groove as much as
    possible within an essentially death metal sound, which included the use
    of traditional jazz drum rhythms.And the album clearly reflects this.
    So for me it's more "metal/fusion fusion" :-) (metal crossed with
    jazz/rock fusion).

    but who gives a shit. It rocks.

    all of you who are saying "so who is this bloody band then" might want to
    pop over to the site below (in my sig) for more info.(shameless plug, I
    know)....

    Tim Spear
    Veilmaya - http://www.veilmaya.dircon.co.uk/
    Ahamkara - The official Cynic Website -
    http://www.veilmaya.dircon.co.uk/cynic/
    ICQ : http://wwp.mirabilis.com/6352759
    EmailExpress: 6352759@pager.mirabilis.com

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    Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:44:49 +1000
    From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
    To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Stratovarius 'Visions Of Europe' review
    Message-ID: <3520C921.AEE86E07@sydney.net>

    Today I got the new Stratovarius double live album (thanks Mape)
    'Visions Of Europe' and here is my review:
    The double CD comes in a slime line jewel case, the outside
    cover is nothing flash, inside there are some cool shots of
    the band and tour dates and some info on the 'Visions Tour'.
    The music, nothing could prepare me for the awesome live power
    that these discs contain :)
    All the songs are much more powerful than the studio albums would
    suggest and are also played at a much faster tempo than their
    studio counterparts.
    The sound is powerful, crisp and clear, every instrument is well mixed.
    The songs, too many too mention, the highlights for me are
    'Father Time' played at a breakneck speed that is almost twice
    as fast as the version on 'Episode' and a solo trade off with
    Timo Tolkki and Jens.
    Suffice to say that this one of the best live albums I have heard
    and fans of Stratovarius should get this album now !

    graham

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    Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 19:02:33 +0800
    From: rjurado <rjurado@eiger.com.ph>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT icons
    Message-ID: <12D335C8.64208751@globalcafe.com.ph>

    Has anyone downloaded the DT icons from whatever site that was? Anyway,
    I managed
    to delete that jam and the URL. Could someone please send the URL to
    me?
    BTW, I was wondering. Is there a Majesty symbol that I could use as a
    cursor. I think
    that would be fun to have, especially if it rotated while the computer
    was executing some
    job. Anyway...thanks in advance.

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    Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:29:03 +0930
    From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
    To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: DT AVIs
    Message-ID: <199803311155.VAA10683@goliath.camtech.com.au>

    Hi Jammers,
    Does anyone know where I can get some AVIs or MPGs of DT film clips? I must
    have requested PMU on Channel [V] at least 3 times, and it still hasn't
    been shown yet.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Shane Woolcock - woolcock@camtech.net.au
    WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/
    "In my den of inequity,
    viscousness and subtlety..." - DT
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    Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:34:23 -0500 (EST)
    From: "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: "Heavy Metal"
    Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980331083239.12866C-100000@alpha.dickinson.edu>

    Actually, the word "heavy metal" was first used by a writer for the new
    York Times in the mid/late 1960's. He was writing a review of Jimi
    Hendrix's first album, and described his sound as "heavy metal being
    dropped from the sky."

    I agree with you that Sabbath was probably the first real metal band,
    although Led Zeppelin was the first group to make the jump from electric
    blues to electric rock.

    Dave Campbell

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    Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:45:00 +0000
    From: Javier Barber Domingo <dbarber@ext.step.es>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Dream Theater
    Message-ID: <3521016B.5CA1C330@ext.step.es>

    Hi, this is my first E-Mail on this list. I'm from Canari Island, in
    Spain. I play drums, and i have a very big fan of Mike Prtnoy and Dream
    Theater. I want to speak with the people who like very much DT, like
    me. I'm Waiting Answers.

    (Sorry, but but englis isn't very good)

    Bye bye :)))))))))))))))))))))

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    Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 15:53:16 -0800
    From: "David Ware"<djw_at_neon@smtpgate.walker.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Leaving on a jet plane...
    Message-ID: <9803318913.AA891355980@smtpgate.walker.com>

         
         Hi,
         
           I haven't had much input to the Jam for ages - mainly because my
         Email is screwy and I haven't been receiving it (in fact, I'm not
         convinced that anyone will even receive this message). I am going to
         unsubscribe now, as I am moving (with my job) from the UK to
         Birmingham, Alabama at the start of May! As soon as I get Email
         sorted out I will rejoin the Jam and get involved again.
         
           It's been great - talk very soon...
         
           Cheers,
         
             Dave (a UK Jammer - soon in Alabama).

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    Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:43:58 -0500
    From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: jazz
    Message-ID: <35211D4E.F5D0127@caribe.net>

    Aaron High wrote:

    > 1. Jazz: I haven't really Taken the Time to explore much jazz yet, but I
    > like some of the things I've heard. Could someone recommend a good couple
    > of artists/albums to start off with, having DT as an influence? An example
    > of the *type* of stuff I'd be into would be JP's "Example 13" sample from
    > Rock Discipline . . :) I'm pretty open-minded - I just want to start off
    > with something instrumental (not crazy about jazzy vox) and atmospheric.
    > What are some *essentials*, especially for a guitarist??
    >
    > George Benson. Period.

    Also you might want to check out Chick Corea's Electric Band album "inside
    out" which features excellent piano, guitar, bass, drum and sax work..hell..
    these guys are the DT of jazz.. ( or should i say.. DT is the CCEB of rock)
    also for guitar oriented stuff... Al Di Meola is the way to go... specially
    "kiss my axe" album

    --
    

    In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229

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