YTSEJAM Digest 3834
Today's Topics:
1) Re: beginning guitarists / bassists / and SOLOWS
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3833
by JKorby1973 <JKorby1973@aol.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3833
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
4) re: VH in the 10Spot
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
5) I don't mean to be rude, dude, but you better change your attitude.
by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
6) Choosing an instrument
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
7) Re: Megadeth/Metallica Comment
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
8) ANYONE can play guitar?
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
9) Good bassist: Continued
by Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com>
10) Rush stuff
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
11) New Slayer
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
12) Online CD Sources...
by Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu>
13) Re: Megadeth/Metallica comment
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
14) Angra new recording
by "Charlie Farrell" <charlie_farrell@email.msn.com>
15) bassists
by robgaul@juno.com (rob w gaul)
16) Berklee Vs MI (Was: Berklee College of Music)
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
17) Re: Berklee College of Music
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 22:57:47 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: beginning guitarists / bassists / and SOLOWS
Message-ID: <1af24d36.354d2eac@aol.com>
Jeffrey Falk writes:
<< Now you're starting to sound reasonable again. As a guitarist
myself, I sometimes get annoyed at the amateurishness of many guitar
customers who make me seem like Randy Rhoads reincarnated. (That doesn't
mean they don't exist in other instruments, but they're miniscule compared
to guitarists.) >>
I don't know, I am sure I sounded awful when I was buying my first guitar and
amp. When they crank the amp loud to show everyone they suck, that's a
different story. But then again, you have to turn an amp to a certain level
to see if it is worth buying. So, I may get annoyed by them - but I am sure
people are laughing at me when I start playing some Savatage and DT songs as
well as some originals to check out equipment. They must see me as a
"wanker".
As far as my original post on what I look for in a bassist, I was OBVIOUSLY
joking. It would be something I would say to a bassist, but I'd be joking.
I'd say it to anyone in the band, AS A JOKE. Haven't received a dirty look
yet. Now if you want to talk vocalists - I could go off :o) see a happy
face. Its there for the sense of humor impaired.
And as far as the SOLOW fiasco, I was thinking the same thing - but only
because the word SOLOW was repeated quite often - bringing attention to it.
It didn't bother me enough to complain though. A private message would have
been the best way to handle it. The funny thing is - everytime I saw SOLOW -
I thought "So Low". And that thread went SO LOW, I had to laugh. Personally,
when people correct my grammar (which is atrocious), I thank them. I consider
emails informal enough to slide however. It would be like getting a note
passed in class and sending it back with a grade. In other words,
unnecessary.
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:13:36 EDT
From: JKorby1973 <JKorby1973@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3833
Message-ID: <47fe27cf.354d3261@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-03 22:19:59 EDT, you write:
<<
P.S. Justin: You're a goat licking suckmonkey. :) That insult is
in jest, of course, but could you have had ANY less class in that
post? I bet you only had the balls to talk shit like that because
Matt responded. >>
Not that this means that I have any balls(and I do, after all I am a guy), but
I didn't even know MattB posted anything until AFTER I already responded to
Pastor Rick.
Justin
PS- I'm a SHEEP licking suckmonkey- get it right. :-)
"Can't we all just get along?"-Rodney King
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 22:17:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3833
Message-ID: <199853231448141@ix.netcom.com>
> But 99% of the guitarists I've dealt with are sparsely-talented, egotistical
> morons. I'm sure you guys on the Jam are the exception to this, but I've
> dealt with a LOT of axemen between the various bands I've worked in.
> Because guitarists improve on a very specialized scale, whatever
> talent they have is magnified, whereas their bandmates rarely get
> the credit they deserve.
> As far as writing music... the fact that in most bands, the lead
> guitarist does NOT write the music, should say it all right there.
ok, to your first remark, it is partially true. With all the shit alturnative and ska bands out there as the
"popular" music, you can expect most guitarists influenced by these bands to be sparsely talented. I'm a
high school freshman, so I guess I should know, this kid brought in his guitar and the other kids were
amazed that he could play the solo in "Smells like Teen Spirit" (ooooh incredibly hard!). a few moments
later I asked the kid if I could play and started playing the begining of "Scarred" and he thought I was
fucking Hendrix, even though that part isn't that hard to play, but if you've just been fed non-talented
playing your whole life, of course when you see someone playing something that requires some skill,
you're probably going to put him on a very high pedistal.
On to your second remark, it is pretty much untrue, seeing as how Portnoy is quite a showman at their
concerts (as many of you may know) and he obviously, along with Myung, Sherinean, and LaBrie, do get
the credit they deserve. Rush, even though I am a guitarist, I always see Geddy and Neil getting more
credit than Alex, even though Alex is a pretty kick ass player in his own right.
third remark I will have to dissagree with you also. In Rush, the credits always to to Geddy and Alex as
the musical part of the song. (I couldnt give an example with DT, as the whole band is credited to the
song's music, then again, that says it right there.)
Matt
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 23:56:27 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: VH in the 10Spot
Message-ID: <354D3C6B.33CEFA74@ici.net>
> Did anyone watch the 10 spot on MTV Friday and see Van Halen? Anyone with
> any comments?
Yes. I was hearing Van Halen, I was hearing Gary Cherone, but dammit...I
was seeing Ted Danson. It must've been the hair (or lack thereof). :)
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:10:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu> To: JKorby1973 <JKorby1973@aol.com> Subject: I don't mean to be rude, dude, but you better change your attitude. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980503230559.287C-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
JKorby1973 <JKorby1973@aol.com> posted before he thought with:
>> Read your liner notes, folks. Nuno doesn't even play that intro. I >> don't have them in front of me, but it says in the liners that the >> intro was played by one of the Zappas (Deezil?).
> EXCUSE ME YOU RETARD!!!
No, I don't think I will excuse you. I would like to know exactly which part of my post warranted such a blatant outburst of childish name-calling.
> That IS Nuno playing that solo called "Flight of the Wounded Bumble > Bee", which THEN segues to "He-Man Woman Hater".
Thank you, Chris Merlo already corrected me on that information, a lot more graciously than you did, I might add.
> You would see that if you would take your own advice and read the liner > notes- besides, why would a band put a guitar solo piece on their album > that was played from a different guitarist?!
Going back to my original post, I said quite specifically "I don't have [the liner notes] in front of me..." I was simply posting what I remembered reading in them. I was in a lab at school at the time, 20 miles from my CD collection. What I remembered seeing was a note after the song that the Intro was played by Dweezil Zappa, which is precisely what I said in my post. It was my mistake for thinking that 'intro' was refering to Flight of the Wounded Bumble Bee.
Fact: The liner notes say "Intro/Outro solos: Dweezil Zappa"
Fact: Flight of the Wounded Bumble Bee is *NOT* a separate track on the CD. It is part of He-Man Woman Hater, and could therefore be concidered an 'intro.'
Fact: "Flight of the Wounded Bumble Bee -Nuno" appears *before* He-Man Woman Hater is listed in the CD booklet, and looks more like a caption to the artwork than part of the notes for that song.
Fact: When I saw Extreme live, they played He-Man Woman Hater, but *skipped* the intro, which could easily make one think that Nuno wasn't the one playing it in the first place.
When it comes right down to it, I made a mistake. Without the liners as reference, I made an assumption which turned out to be wrong. It happens to the best of us, and it is no reason to resort to the level of immaturity you demonstrated in your response.
However, I must thank you. Your post did an excellent job of self-flaming, far superior to anything I could have come up with myself.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:06:13 +1000 From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Choosing an instrument Message-ID: <001101bd7711$fdd9ca20$6e384e81@rpandean.ucc.su.OZ.AU>
Someone said:
"Every fully formed, fully functional human being is capable of playing any instrument, given the proper amount of time and effort"
I don't agree with this, but it's just my opinion. Sure anyone can learn the "basics" of any instrument, but I believe no matter how much time you spend practicing certain things are down to genetics (this may sound silly but think about it). Some people I've played with just don't have what it takes. Either they don't have good ears (they don't have any natural musical ability) whereas some people have an inherint natural musical ability and can pick things up quickly and know how to go about practicing and learning (the latter can be taught but the former can't) or you can just tell by the way they play the instrument (even if taught the correct manner, they say it doesn't feel right, it's just not the way their joints work and they'll have to find their own way). For example Yngwie, has obviously been playing for a long time, but given the same amount of time and the same practicing regiment would your average person be as good technically (I'm not talking about being a good guitarist as that is a matter of opinion, but technique can almost be measured on a relative scale such as this guy can play faster and cleaner than the other guy)?
I'm also interested in attending Berklee. Do any of you have any opinions on Berklee and other similar institutions such as the Musicians Institute?
Remember it's just my opinion, so don't get your knickers in a knot.
Rainer
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:29:19 -0500 From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert) To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Megadeth/Metallica Comment Message-ID: <01bd7715$3475dd00$252227d1@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
James Shields wrote:
>What are you talking about?! Megadeth sucks hardcore! Cryptic Writings or >whatever the new one is called is so regressive! I felt like I was back in >1985 when my friend put it one my stereo (the suck part of '85, mind you).
I disagree. Walk the plank. :)
>Don't get me wrong, I'm not real thrilled with the direction >Metallica has taken, but at least they're changing and not just putting out >black album after black album. and depending on the price, i might catch
I disagree. Prepare to be keelhauled. :)
- Colonel Mustard -
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:34:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ANYONE can play guitar? Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980503233047.57310B-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Someone said this:
Anyone can play guitar. Let me revise: ANYONE can play guitar well.
I remember reading something like this in a guitar mag, dont know who the hell said it: "The Guitar is an easy instrument to play, but difficult to master" Something like that......i agree....almost everybody can play guitar, but very few can master the damn instrument.
I remember now, i read it in a Jon Finn column for the Guitar mag.
Mauricio
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:42:56 -0500 From: Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com> To: "'YJ Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Good bassist: Continued Message-ID: <01BD76ED.B8C3AC40.mail@beyondthemirror.com>
I'll assume that many of the earlier posts on this thread were in sarcasm (I hope). I'd like to add my opinion on the subject:
The ultimate goal for any musician on any instrument should be to achieve the highest level of technique, creativity and overall musical value in their playing as possible (especially in progressive music). A problem, as I see it, is that there aren't nearly as many bass players out there looking for bands that fit this description as there are guitarists or drummers. Sadly, many bass players out there are actually, in fact, failed guitarists. Why? Because bass is considered less glamorous so fewer talented people devote themselves to it as a first choice. That makes those who do a very valuable commodity. I learned long ago not to take good, devoted bass players for granted. If you've got one - hold on to him/her.
Josh Becker josh@beyondthemirror.com http://www.beyondthemirror.com
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:58:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush stuff Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980503235311.57310F-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Anybody knows why in hell Neil Peart is never credited to write some of=20 the music for sung-Rush songs? I think it=B4s maybe an arrangement they=20 made up when they were starting.....because i dont think that Lifeson and= =20 Lee tell Peart what to do all the time....Peart wouldnt be Peart on drums= =20 if that was true.
Check out some VH tabs, do you really think that everybody in VH had some= =20 musical input in songs like Eruption or 316? Don=B4t think so!
Mauricio
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:08:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Slayer Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980504010231.29308A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
Just following up the Slayer discussion here. I heard a song from their new album last night, and for the first time ever, Slayer is trying to do something different! It was still heavy as hell, but much groovier and with a slight punk influence. Tom's voice still gives it away as a Slayer song, but if it weren't for that I wouldn't have placed it as Slayer. It's about time they tried to diversify themselves, but I'm sure we're gonna hear the old "sell out" talk. It's not as drastic a change as Load was, but it's quite different. The record comes out at the end of the month.
As for some DTC, who all is going to the Detroit show? Later.
C#
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 00:16:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <s1029516@admiral.umsl.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Online CD Sources... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980504001533.6623A-100000@admiral.umsl.edu>
I've seen a lot of people talking about Angra recently and about where to buy them...
I am usually the first person to recommend The Laser's Edge for all your prog needs, but when it comes to Angra, Sentinal Steel actually has better prices.
http://slaughter.net/coc/steel.htm
h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o / | Pat Griffin gabbo@dreamt.org Reality Squared Design | h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o /
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Date: Mon, 4 May 98 00:16:58 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Megadeth/Metallica comment Message-ID: <354d4f493f8e012@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Sun, 3 May 1998 19:04:25 -0700 (PDT) from "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>:
> It's like Mustaine just stood up and and shouted "Yep, we're doing the > same > old shit as always, you can count on us just like you can with AC/DC"
Don't bogart that crack pipe, my friend, pass it over to me...
Hmmmm. You must have gotten a different version of Cryptic Writings than I did, because on mine they sounded much different from anything else they've done. What song have they done that sounds like "Use the Man?" How about "Trust?" Etc, etc. I thought so.
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not real thrilled with the direction > Metallica has taken, but at least they're changing and not just putting > out black album after black album.
No, they're putting out Load after Load...of Garth Brooks songs...
-Brian
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 07:17:03 -0000 From: "Charlie Farrell" <charlie_farrell@email.msn.com> To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Angra new recording Message-ID: <0740f2423050458UPIMSSMTPUSR06@email.msn.com>
>Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:14:23 -0300 >From: "Karol" <miroel@uol.com.br> >To: <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Angra > >Hi >Does anyone know what Angra has been doing? Are they recording their new >album? Any news about it?
Angra are currently in London and Germany recording. According to the 'Reaching Horizons' homepage http://angra.digitalchainsaw.com/ (which has recently moved).
Almost everything except the keyboards are being recorded in London. Andre is recording those in Germany, but will return to London to do the vocals and final mixing with producer Chris Tsangarides. The band did an interview with the fan club before they set off to do the recording and you can read it on the site. (Look for it on the 'news' page)
To quote Andre Matos "But this time we were more concerned about our roots as a heavy metal band - this will be a heavy metal album. But it'll also be a mix of what Angels Cry and Holy Land were." They do sound heavier in the live environment, but the new songs they played in Bourges and Paris sounded more along the lines of Iron Maiden to me.
Chris Tsangarides worked on the Judas Priest 'Painkiller' album long with other metal disks and likes working at the Metropolis Studio, based in Chiswick, West London
http://www.demon.co.uk/studiobase/metro/index.html
He also produced Yngwie Malmsteen's new album (e.n.: Concerto Suite for Electric Guitar and Orchestra in flat E minor Op. 1: Millenium), as well as Ozzy Osbourne, Bruce Dickinson and Helloween.
The guys weren't there when I went round there to have a look on Saturday. :-((
Charlie
URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 02:13:18 -0400 From: robgaul@juno.com (rob w gaul) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: bassists Message-ID: <19980504.021410.4990.0.ROBGAUL@juno.com>
I mean, who wants to listen to a band with a guitarist and a "creative musician" on bass?
one word PRIMUS
i play bass. although i NEVER claim to be good. i am decent. ive played for 4 years. what makes a good bassist is the talent to know that he isnt the best. wile noone in a band is THE link that holds the music together . everyone must work together. some bands use the bass as just a rythym instrument. some *primus* use the bass as the lead .. which puts the guitarist in the background. no one instrument is better. they all express a persons tastes. feelings and talent for expresionism. while bassists are always picked on. we are a vital part of any band. without bass all u are is a high pitched scream of notes that sound like shit. trust me ive heard bands without bassists. a good musician is someone who accepts their faults and builds on their talents to erase their faults. and can express themselves without just putting a shitload of notes in 7/8 time 64th notes. like some shredder guitarists feel means talent. example. u dont hear pettruci ALWAYS playing speed. he does play slow sometimes people.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:21:58 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Berklee Vs MI (Was: Berklee College of Music) Message-ID: <199805040621.BAA92130@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
I was reading the little booklet that berklee gives to all the interested in being a berklee student and I found out that you need 2 years of prior (this means before of, right?) musical training...I have the boolet for MI also but I dont remember if they ask for some training before of becoming a MI student...
I would like to know what are the PROs and the CONTRAs (I mean good and bad points) of each school, I mean...which is more focused on theory, which on technique, which has better housing, prices, teachers, whatever...
I really dont want to start an MI vs Berklee war here, I shouldnt wrote "better" but I would like to heard everybody's opinions (even Portnoy's if that's possible).
Im currently studing engineer in electronics (Im on my second year) and Im really thinking of dropping school and go for the music, maybe a little of cinematografy too....(sorry for the spelling...)
ok, that's it, let's hear your opinions/advices
thanks a lot
At 03:33 PM 3/05/98 -0700, Carlos Alfaro wrote: > >I know of a couple of jammers who attend berklee, could they email me >privately? I need to ask you guys some info on Berklee... yep you >guessed it.. im interested in attending... thanx - --- Alan Estrada Adler Personal Site: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025 Cool Comics by a 13 year old: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/7460/ "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do your next." Monterrey, Mexico al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:24:35 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Berklee College of Music Message-ID: <199805040624.BAA106572@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
ups, one more thing... for the people interested in going to berklee or MI check their info at http://www.berklee.com (or is it berklee.edu?) and I should have the MI URL right here but I dont find it...it may be the same... mi.edu or mi.com if neither of those work email me privately and I will send it to you.
At 03:55 PM 3/05/98 -0700, Mauricio Martinez Villarreal wrote: > >maybe they could post this info on the Jam....i m kinda interested=20 >too.....even though it=B4s just a dream.... > >Mauricio > >On Sun, 3 May 1998, Carlos Alfaro wrote: > >>=20 >> I know of a couple of jammers who attend berklee, could they email me >> privately? I need to ask you guys some info on Berklee... yep you >> guessed it.. im interested in attending... thanx - >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> In the stream of consciousness >> There is a river crying >> Living comes much easier >> Once we admit , We're dying. >> Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand >> http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro >> Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service >> mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com >> Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > > --- Alan Estrada Adler Personal Site: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025 Cool Comics by a 13 year old: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/7460/ "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do your next." Monterrey, Mexico al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx
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