YTSEJAM Digest 3832
Today's Topics:
1) PREACH ON BROTHER RICK!!
by JKorby1973 <JKorby1973@aol.com>
2) Any other music out there?
by "Todd Beachler" <sonicprod@earthlink.net>
3) MattB DA MAN!
by JKorby1973 <JKorby1973@aol.com>
4) Guitar Stuff
by someone@enteract.com
5) Angra
by "Karol" <miroel@uol.com.br>
6) Flame me. I dare you.
by someone@enteract.com
7) Rogerio leaving
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
8) Two handed tappers
by "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
9) Re: Even blind people should be able to spell. :)
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
10) Savatage
by Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
11) Re: Flame me. I dare you.
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
12) Re: Two-Handed Tapping Guitarists
by AURACLE <AURACLE@aol.com>
13) Re: Jennifer Batten
by AURACLE <AURACLE@aol.com>
14) Re: Jennifer Batten
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
15) Re: JP's sound and the American Triaxis
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
16) A good bass player
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:29:01 EDT
From: JKorby1973 <JKorby1973@aol.com>
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: PREACH ON BROTHER RICK!!
Message-ID: <9b8421f5.354cb76e@aol.com>
>Mr. Justin, you obviously are not aware that MattB is one of (at least) two
>YtseJammers on this mailing list who is visually impaired and depends on
>text-to-speech translators and phonetics to enjoy your sarcasm. So as soon
>as you are able to remove your head from your ass and your foot from your
>mouth, I think you owe Mr. MattB an apology.
>Rick Audet
Well Pastor Rick, you are correct in that I didn't know MattB visually
impaired and has to use special equipment for the computer. But, everyone I've
ever known with a handicap demands that they are treated as equally as those
without handicaps. Therefore, Mr. MattB shall be subject to my "sarcastic
spewing" as much as the next guy. And as far as an apology, what the hell for?
If it wasn't MattB, but his equipment that made the errors, then why should I
apologize to him? My comments were directed towards the text. Did I ever put
MattB down? No. In fact, an apology would be more in order if he wasn't using
special equipment and I said those things. As far as your comments about my
head being up my ass and my foot in my mouth, well who deserves the apology
now? I DO apologize to fellow ytsejammers who had to be subject to Pastor
Rick's preaching.
Justin
PS- Rick, your apology is accepted.
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:41:54 -0400
From: "Todd Beachler" <sonicprod@earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Any other music out there?
Message-ID: <01bd76c3$24d6d040$e4ab1e26@harmony>
I'm just starting to get into progressive metal and I was wondering if there
are any other bands out there that sound like DT's "Erotomania", "Lies",
and "The Mirror". DT's stuff can be too mellow for me at times, but these
songs really have a ballsy sounding guitar in them. Thanks!
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:57:55 EDT
From: JKorby1973 <JKorby1973@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MattB DA MAN!
Message-ID: <1bbcc101.354cbe34@aol.com>
>Yo yo mama,
> Actually, though I thank Rick for being sensative, I also thank
>Justin for pointing out something that hopefully will stick in my mind the
>next time I write about a s o l o. Man, you'd really like to think that,
>if you can make it through high school and onward into college, you'd have
>to be able to spell anything five letters or less. :) Oh well, if I only>
>had a brain. So, thanks rick, but I deserve to be made fun of just as
>much as anyone. Be well.
>Matt B
Hey MattB,
Thanks for being so cool. I was a bit pissy when I wrote about the
"solowing" thing. But at least you're cool-AND SMART enough not to take shit
like that personally, unlike Mr. Rick. Anyways, stay cool and enjoy the DT!!
Justin
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:17:07 +0000
From: someone@enteract.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar Stuff
Message-ID: <199805031912.OAA22272@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: AURACLE <AURACLE@aol.com>
> Subject: Two-Handed Tapping Guitarists
> Meanwhile, T.J. Helmerich's searing two-handed work with Brett Garsed is
> probably the most amazing tapping stuff I've ever heard; to my ear, it sounds
> as though he never, ever picks a note.
He really doesn't. I mean, every now and then, to start off a lick,
he may, or on his rhythms, he often picks, but his solos are almost
exclusively tapped. He can play legato runs with his right hand,
over the neck, the way most of us wish we could with the left hand.
I've seen him do a clinic here in IL, and I know we have at least
one jammer who hangs with him regularly... the dude is a freak genius
with a great sense of humor. His two albums, Quid Pro Quo and Exempt
are among the highest of instrumental achievements I can name. And
Garsed keeps right up with Helmerich, using his own freaked out
technique.
Both borrow a lot from Holdsworth, but they write better music (to
my ears, anyways) than Holdsworth does.
> Any of you out there know of any other brilliant two-hand tappers besides
> Eddie Van Halen (who did NOT invent the technique, contrary to popular belief)
> and the aforementioned Stanley Jordan? I'd mention the likes of Michael
> Manring, Stuart Hamm and John Alderete, but they're *bass* players, and that's
> a whole other thread... <grin>
Roy Ashen is supposed to be the madman. I've never heard any of his
solos.. I just know I can't stand the samples on his web page.
Jennifer Batten is recognized as a bad ass tapper, but her stuff is
all licks. I mean, if you listen to it, you can decipher the scales
and arpeggios she uses quite easily, and it doesn't take long to
develop the ability to play a lot of her stuff. She's still good,
but I just don't dig her stuff too much. Could stem from the fact
that her Giant Steps solo is rehearsed, and not Improv, so it's not
nearly what everyone made it out to be. Could be because I figured
out Whammy Damage (the non whammy pedal parts) in about a half hour
(no, I don't have it up to speed) but something tells me her arsenal
is all licks, not the real thing like Helmerich.
I've seen all kinds of interviews with dudes in Young Guitar
Magazine, who apparently have "octodigital technique" but I haven't
heard too many of em. I know Thal throws in extra fingers where he
needs them, rather than approaching a solo as "8 finger tapping."
That's more or less what I end up doing. I have to actually do some
work on my web page, so I can share the few cool concepts for tapping
that I've found.
> From: Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
> Subject: Legato - what the heck is it? New possible thread?
> I read about JP doing a legato thing in Trial of Tears and it sounding
> like Steve Vai. What is legato?
I should smack you and say "look it up." http://www.m-w.com
Legato generally means smooth. It's like making the notes flow to
each other instead of being stacatto. I'd provide you with classical
examples, but it's not worth it, because in Guitar it has a different
meaning.
In guitar playing, legato means smooth left hand playing. That is,
all, or mostly hammers and pulls, instead of your typocal alternate
picking or what not. Not a difficult concept at all... most people
play legato before the alternate pick well. Some people, like
Holdsworth or Michael Romeo, make legato playing much more difficult
than is conceivable. Kcor has proven to me that Michael Romeo is a
force of nature. Upon viewing his instructional video, I considered
starting a Bush tribute band, because I can't play like that dude....
yet. :)
> it would also be cool if someone would make a list of interesting things
> that happen in songs ("nice polyphrasic rhythm changes", "short arabic
> pentaphrygian riff", that kind of stuff), and at what time.
Well, I don't have the time to go too far into detail... but I will
offer a trivia question that Derek posed in an e-mail (and yes, I
answered correctly... :) What scale is the unison line in Just Let
Me Breathe in? Either the name of the scale, or the notes/formula
will do. :)
> From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
> Subject: Hedges/Petrucci video
> >For all you Michael Hedges freaks out there,
> >http://www.bignet.net/~divine/tab.html has about 50 Hedges songs
> >transcribed.
>
> Killer Link. Thanks Woot!
TOTALLY awesome link. I don't know why I never went on a Hedges tab
search! :) I have the Stropes book, which I could not possibly
recommend any higher than I do.. it's the most well thought out,
accurate, and well presented book of guitar music that I've ever
seen. And it helps that it's all Hedges. :)
> >How much does the JP: Rock Discipline video go for?
> >Somebody (at Guitar Center) told me $50 !?!?! Is that the going rate
> >for instructional vids (that's what he said)?
Salesmen at Guitar Center, at least when I worked there, were
supposed to sell all videos (with a few cheap vid exceptions) at
$39.99. That is the going rate for the vid. Just walk in, pick up
the video, pull out $40 in cash and say "This is all I have. Can you
help me out?" and 9 times out of 10, you win.
> >Also, the video is for intermediate/ advanced players, right? I'm a
> >total beginner, but thought it would be cool to get anyhow, but it
> >wouldn't be worth it (to me) for $50.
Everything on every video can be used by a beginner. You just need
to start it REALLY slow and work with a metronome to make sure your
timing is perfect. Trust me, if you start slow, but accurate, you
will end up playing light speed in much less time than if you pretend
you have the technique to go fast.
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:14:23 -0300
From: "Karol" <miroel@uol.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Angra
Message-ID: <01bd76c7$ae57c8c0$2a81e6c8@uol.com.br.uol.com.br>
Hi
Does anyone know what Angra has been doing? Are they recording their new
album? Any news about it?
Thanks
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:38:57 +0000
From: someone@enteract.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Flame me. I dare you.
Message-ID: <199805031934.OAA22559@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> I have never heard such a load of CRAP!
Me neither! I can't believe that Calvin asshole's gall! How DARE
he not add that a bassist who attempts to go above the 3rd fret
without permission must also be injured! I mean, bass was made for
one purpose: so that guitars could be even cooler than they already
were. A bassist is just a weak minded individual who failed at
playing the guitar. If a bassist WAS any good as a musician, he'd
probably play the triangle. He's certainly not good enough to play
guitar. That'd be skipping several evolutionary steps. And unlike
that Calvin moron, I will not include females in this, because
females can't make music. It's that simple. Look at Salt N Pepa.
Look at the Spice Girls. Look at Hanson. Come on... to make music,
one requires a "y" chromosome and the ability to grow facial hair.
> Fella jammer asked about quality
> bass player and you speak like bass players are the lowest form of life,
> well maybe in your "band", but in mine bass player is also a creative musician,
> not just a robot moving his fingers like Mr. hotshot/spotlight guitarist says!
Just because you can't afford a robot who will never confuse his own
will with what is musically correct (what the guitarist says, of
course) doesn't mean that you're justified in putting said robot
down. I mean, who wants to listen to a band with a guitarist and a
"creative musician" on bass? Your band is just totally screwed.
Might as well start quilting or something. Maybe you'll have some
luck in the sweater business. :)
> Well I think it is common knowledge. The thing that makes any musician
> regardless of the instrument they play, be it Bass, guitar, drums, or even
> bagpipes, is how fast they are. Speed is the only thing that makes a
> musician good. If they can't shred they should burn their instrument and
> take up needlepoint. Skakespeare once asked 'To shred or not to Shred, that
> is the question.' Well I think we all know the answer to that question.
FINALLY someone with a clue! The only thing more important than
speed is how cool the guitar, bass, or drum looks. And for a
guitarist, how many picks he can throw, and how far. Image is at
least half of music... I mean, music is all Images and Words or
something. So you gotta look cool and you gotta go fast so that
people will compare you with Yngwie and Joe Stump. If you can't get
to that level, you're just not musically viable, and really should
pick up the art of making nift crafts out of popsicle sticks. :)
> 1. Is $50 about the going rate, or
$40 is the going rate. It's 2 hours long, so it's a kickin' value.
Someone mentioned seeing it for $19.99 in the Berklee bookstore or
something... well, that's a Bostonian pipe dream. Ya won't find that
deal anywhere else, I bet.
> is Guitar Center totally raping people on this?
They were asking for it. You could see it in their eyes. They said
"no" but they really meant "Take my money, big boy."
By the way, Dream Theater is the ONLY good band in the world.
Everything else sucks. It's a JOKE. No one can outplay Dream
Theater. :)
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 12:38:02 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rogerio leaving
Message-ID: <199805031938.MAA02219@baygate.bayarea.net>
> > I hope you're kidding. You're one of the few people whose
> > posts I always read, because you almost always have something
> > worthwhile to say. If you're serious about this, then I hope you'll
> > at least come back soon.
>
> er if Roger did unsub already, don't ya think it's pointless
> sending this message to the list ?
>
> graham
Not really, Graham. First, Roger did not say "I'm unsubbing
immediately." He might have meant that he is unsubbing tomorrow.
Second, I sent a CC of the message to Roger's e-mail address, thus
ensuring that he WILL see the message. Third, I think that Roger
leaving the list is a big deal, and that by quoting his original
message, I might make more people aware of his departure. His post
was very brief, and could easily have been overlooked.
Paul
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Paul Humm
humm@levy.com
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 15:51:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "David M. Campbell" <campbell@dickinson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Two handed tappers
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980503154931.13935A-100000@alpha.dickinson.edu>
Jeff,
I enjoyed your thoughts on Reb Beach. One other "tapper" I liked quite a
bit was Vito Bratta from White Lion. This guy made playing the guitar
seem totally effortless. His solos were often bizzare, but he had
lightning speed and a real ear for melody and phrasing.
Dave
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:43:50 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Even blind people should be able to spell. :)
Message-ID: <714a119.354cd707@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-03 15:18:46 EDT, Matt B. wrote:
<< Yo yo mama,
Actually, though I thank Rick for being sensative, I also thank
Justin for pointing out something that hopefully will stick in my mind the
next time I write about a s o l o. Man, you'd really like to think that,
if you can make it through high school and onward into college, you'd have
to be able to spell anything five letters or less. :) Oh well, if I only
had a brain. So, thanks rick, but I deserve to be made fun of just as
much as anyone. Be well.
Matt B >>
I'd like to nominate Matt B. for cool poster of the day. Right on, Matt.
Sorry, Mosh, for the short post. :~)
May 5th getting closer!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kez
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 23:06:52 +0200
From: Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage
Message-ID: <354CDC6C.5461@club-internet.fr>
I don't know if DT are reading this list but since there was some talk
about Savatage, I'll just point out something:
DT and Savatage are playing summer festivals together in Europe this
summer; Savatage having holes in their schedule in June, why are they
not opening for Dream, say at least in Paris (can you notice I live
there)? This would be a killer bill...
Fabrice
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:10:13 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Flame me. I dare you.
Message-ID: <199805032110.RAA17484@ren.cs.wm.edu>
Madsman, that guitar-playin' egomaniacal SONOFABITCH wrote:
> FINALLY someone with a clue! The only thing more important than
> speed is how cool the guitar, bass, or drum looks. And for a
> guitarist, how many picks he can throw, and how far. Image is at
You stupid bastard! I would have thought that YOU of all people would know
the one key ingredient to being a successful guitar player. Throwing picks is
a neat trick, but it doesn't get you *anywhere* in the grand scheme of things.
<sheesh> No, the important thing is while playing fast, you have to be able
to whip your head around and get your hair to do all sorts of cool patterns.
That's why people like Alex Lifeson and Bafu Vai suck. No hair windmills.
And I thought you *knew* how to play the guitar!
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:13:45 EDT
From: AURACLE <AURACLE@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Two-Handed Tapping Guitarists
Message-ID: <f2191ab5.354cde0a@aol.com>
In a post to YTSEJAM digest #3829, Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> writes, in
response to my original post on two-handed tapping guitarists:
<< Jeff Watson. The eight-finger tapping thing is practically his signature
move. >>
I *knew* that. Somehow, his name escaped me when I was writing that post.
Duh. Thanks for the reminder. Incidentally, I really like his solo album on
Shrapnel, "Lone Ranger," which has a couple of great guest appearances on it
from Allan Holdsworth (on "Forest of Feeling") and Steve Morse (on the
sublimely beautiful "Talking Hands"). Lots of great playing on it, and not
just of the tapping variety, either. I highly recommend it.
-- Jeff (who owns a great many Shrapnel albums) ;^)
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:37:14 EDT
From: AURACLE <AURACLE@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Jennifer Batten
Message-ID: <c13601be.354ce38b@aol.com>
Attention all planets of the Jammer Federation...
You know, I feel pretty damned foolish writing all that time about Reb Beach
and T.J. Helmerich without mentioning Jennifer Batten, who, IMO, must be
considered one of the most amazing guitarists on the planet, regardless of
gender, in part because of her extraordinary tapping skills. So great is my
admiration for her playing that I once actually watched an entire Michael
Jackson concert on HBO just to see her play the solo on "Beat It." Talk about
suffering for one's love of art... <g>
Anyhow, while I love her first solo album, "Above, Below and Beyond," I
haven't been able to find her latest, with her band Tribal Rage, which I think
is called "Momentum." If anyone out there can tell me where I can purchase
it, it would be extremely helpful.
-- Jeff (who still can't believe he didn't mention Jennifer Batten the first
time!)
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:48:07 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Jennifer Batten
Message-ID: <903ed6f2.354ce619@aol.com>
Mauricio states:
<< By the time i saw her play, i had never heard her solo stuff, but i had a
lot of columns from various Guitar Player mags, and that tapping stuff was
like VERY hard to do. She never did anything REMOTELY as hard or complicated
as her damn tapping columns. On the tapping subject i was VERY dissappointed,
cause she didnt tap anything on the guitar, (ok, maybe some very simple
"pentatonic" tapping) but not those complicated lines and progressions she
wrote about all the time in her columns. >>
Well, I have an audio tape recording of one of her MI clinics, and she
definitley shows she can tap like no other (okay - if TJ wasn't born :o) She
starts the clinic off with her "Flight of the Bumblebee" tapping and continues
wiht Coltrane's "Giant Steps". Jennifer at the time was going through a
little remorse that she was a tapper and I think was trying not to tap as much
to concentrate on other areas of her playing - but that night she definitely
"gave the audience what they wanted". As far as her reliance on the whammy
pedal - she was very creative with the pedal - so I wouldn't consider it a
trick for her.
Has anyone heard the "Tribal Rage" CD from Jennifer. I'd like to know if she
is a tap maniac still , or is she has indeed changed. I hope she still taps
frequently. No use in being ashamed of what you are good at.
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 18:01:41 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: JP's sound and the American Triaxis
Message-ID: <b935c2f9.354ce946@aol.com>
<<Since DT's little European Tour December 97, I noticed that JP's sound had
chanced. Compare the Sound of the Marquee to the sound of the Tour which
is just over (in Europe). it's quite different.>>
I think JP is relying less and less on the Triaxis and more on Mesa heads.
Good move by JP. His sound is definitely better now.
<< BTW: what is the retail price of the M/B Triaxis preamp in America ? I
think about getting one. But in Germany you have to pay a lot for it.
(about 4000 DM) But since I know M/B it won't be a lot cheaper in the
US..? >>
The Triaxis is around $1,500 US or about 2,691 German DM's over here. I think
they'd boot your ass outta the store if you offered them anything other than
new $100 and $50 bills. When is the new $20 bill coming out? I need to get
me a couple.
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 15:07:11 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A good bass player
Message-ID: <354CEA8F.458@goodnet.com>
"Some Guy" came up with a really egotistical list of things a bass
player should be able to do. I'm sure it was just a troll, because it
was such a moronically written post, but I'll respond as though it was
genuine.
Anyone can play guitar. Let me revise: ANYONE can play guitar well.
Because everyone wants to!! Most bands I've seen or been a part of
consist of four to five guitarists, two to three of which have taken up
other instruments to fill in the space. The person with the best voice
who plays guitar becomes the singer/rhythm guitarist. The person with
the most money becomes the drummer (because drum kits are so expensive).
The person with the best "internal clock" becomes the bassist. (if the
same person is the richest, he becomes the drummer instead and some
other guy picks up the bass). And the person who has no apparent talent
or ability outside the guitar... remains there. :)
Does this mean we live in a world of Steve Vai's and John Petrucci's?
No, of course not. Those are the top one hundredth of one percent (or
less) of all guitarists. Guitar shops sell tens of thousands of axes
every year! The VAST majority of them are to amateurs. A good number of
amateurs turn pro in some way. Some of them are even good. But 99% of
the guitarists I've dealt with are sparsely-talented, egotistical
morons. I'm sure you guys on the Jam are the exception to this, but I've
dealt with a LOT of axemen between the various bands I've worked in.
Hell, even Geddy Lee was a guitarist initially, and they moved him to
bass because he felt confident that he could adapt. I was a rhythm
guitarist/singer in my first band (Prismatic) and when I got into
Scoobaca, all four of us were good guitarists, and nobody could agree on
who should do what. Mikey Jr. was a better singer than me so I yielded
that. Jeremy (initially) had more money so we let him play drums. And
since I had a better internal metronome than Johan, I got the call on
bass.
Because guitarists improve on a very specialized scale, whatever talent
they have is magnified, whereas their bandmates rarely get the credit
they deserve.
As far as writing music... the fact that in most bands, the lead
guitarist does NOT write the music, should say it all right there.
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/------------------------------
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