YTSEJAM Digest 3828
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826
by BSSII <BSSII@aol.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826
by BSSII <BSSII@aol.com>
3) Re: Steelheart
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
4) Re: Angra
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
5) bass stuff
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
6) My Take on Savatage
by "Eric Paul LaRue" <paradox7@mailexcite.com>
7) Re: Defense of JP and I want some Tex-Mex !!
by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826
by "Eric Paul LaRue" <paradox7@mailexcite.com>
9) Re:MattB, Improving on TOT...not improv-ing
by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
10) New cd's
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
11) Japanese stuff
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
13) Re: Bass players
by "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
14) JP video (cont'd)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826
by Htdmhd <Htdmhd@aol.com>
16) Re: Two-Handed Tapping Guitarists
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
17) Jon Kretschmer is cool
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
18) problems? testes...testes...1, 2, 3??
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
19)
by "Al Anet" <my_mistake@hotmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:33:39 EDT
From: BSSII <BSSII@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826
Message-ID: <61009ae3.354b58f5@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-02 11:11:25 EDT, you write:
<< 5) ProgEst, DT Unplugged?
by Derfelt <Derfelt@aol.com> >>
There is a dream theater unplugged? If so how can I get it?
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:35:41 EDT
From: BSSII <BSSII@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826
Message-ID: <b08a6563.354b596e@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-02 11:11:25 EDT, you write:
<< 14) Re: DT stuff for sale
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
>>
What sort of stuff do you have? Mostly pertaining to Mike Portnoy.
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:45:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Steelheart
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980502124015.12975A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Sat, 2 May 1998, Dan Abosso wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has any information on the band
> "Steelheart" .. where/are they popular?
I'm not sure of the album sales or just how "popular" they were or
anything. Their first s/t album came out in 1990 with the hit single
"I'll Never Let You Go." That's where I first heard of them. Then their
second album ("Tangled In Reins") came out in 1992. I gadn't heard
anything off of it before. Then the singer got seriously injured when
some lighting equipment fell on him during a show (so I've been told).
But he recovered and reformed the band (himself the only original member).
The album is called "Wait" and I don't have it yet. That's because you
can only import it from Japan for $30 as far as I know. But I hear its
a good album.
Robert Taylor
rctaylor@uiuc.edu
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:55:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Angra
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980502125201.25646B-100000@short-eared.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Sat, 2 May 1998, James Bennett wrote:
> I've been listening to the MP3s Dr Mosh has on his page of this great band.
> Does anyone know if $25 dollars is about the going price for Holy Land?
Actually, The Laser's Edge (http://www.jersey.net/~lasercd/) has Holy Land
for $16. That's the only place I've seen it for less than about $25.
Mark McEuen
mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 20:44:44 +0200
From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: bass stuff
Message-ID: <354B699C.961B87D0@stones.com>
>Some guy asked:
>
><< So, I'm interested in the opinions of everybody (bassists, other >musicians,
>non-musicians) on what makes a bass player good, and how, if at all, >they may
>be compared. >>
>
>I'm a guitarist and here is what I think makes a good bass player:
>
>I write the bass parts and he plays them EXACTLY as I have written >them. The
>only time he speaks is when I he has something better, but he/she knows >when
>to back down when I am right - which is always. So lets leave it at he
>doesn't speak.
>
>(The bass player doesn't have to be a he, you can read this with she in >there
>if it helps you sleep at night)
>
>And if a bass player shows me a pick, I'll show him (her) the door.
I have never heard such a load of CRAP! Fella jammer asked about quality
bass
player and you speak like bass players are the lowest form of life, well
maybe
in your "band", but in mine bass player is also a creative musician, not
just
a robot moving his fingers like Mr. hotshot/spotlight guitarist says!
Good bass players are worth their weight in gold, they provide a stable
foundation
so that we hotshot guitar players can fiddle around! Maybe you should
get a new
bass player (the one that can actually write music), or you can play
excellent guitar
plus great bass in which case I salute you and really wanna meet you.
Seeing a doctor about a tremendous ego problem (lead guitar
syndrome)would be in
order for you!
-
Mat
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 12:57:40 -0700
From: "Eric Paul LaRue" <paradox7@mailexcite.com>
To: fates@tier.net
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My Take on Savatage
Message-ID: <NBKIDCHFPKADCAAA@mailexcite.com>
My first Savatage album was "Dead Winter Dead" which, I'll admit, I bought solely
for "Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24" I relatively liked the album, particularly "One
Child" and "Not What You See."
However, I recently bought "The Wake of Magellan"(thanks to a Newbury Comics Gift
Certificate I won from the Music Ed Dept. raffle, which I also used to get DT's very
own WDaDU) and I think it is at least three times as good as DWD. The melodies are
much more driving, the harmonies more intense, the rhythms more appropriate to the
setting, etc. If I had to make a recommendation(with my limited knowledge, considering
I now only own two CDs) I would have to go with TWoM.
Although, when I asked the same question after buying DWD, someone else recommended
"Edge of Thorns" which I still have yet to hear.
"I believe what the prophets said, that the oceans hold their dead..."
--- Eric Paul LaRue The Living ParadoxThis message was brought to you in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and by the virtue of our guardian protector Marylin Manson.
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 15:00:02 -0500 From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Defense of JP and I want some Tex-Mex !! Message-ID: <199805022000.PAA92862@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
>>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:18:55 -0300 (EST) >>> From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> >>> >>> To whom it may concern: I'm unsubscribing from this list. > >OK, now that the boy is gone, how many among you (secretly) can admit that >every time you saw a post from him, you wanted a burrito ?? > >I want to be Younique !! >Mark Metzger >mmetzger@antarctica.com > >
now Im was the one who fell from the chair...I cant stop laughing yet.
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 13:01:51 -0700 From: "Eric Paul LaRue" <paradox7@mailexcite.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826 Message-ID: <NOICGPKLJOADCAAA@mailexcite.com>
> >Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 20:48:30 -0400 >From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net> >To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Petrucci video >Message-ID: <354A6D5E.2FF867C2@ameritech.net> > > >A quick question..... > >How much does the JP: Rock Discipline video go for? >Somebody (at Guitar Center) told me $50 !?!?! Is that the going rate >for instructional vids (that's what he said)? > >Also, the video is for intermediate/ advanced players, right? I'm a >total beginner, but thought it would be cool to get anyhow, but it >wouldn't be worth it (to me) for $50. > > >Thanks, >- Joe DeAngelo >
I've seen it here advertised at the Berklee bookstore for $19.95. Of course, I don't know if there's a discount due to the fact that the good Mr. Petrucci actually was a student at Berklee.
Unfortunately, it's not here now. :-( --- Eric Paul LaRue The Living Paradox
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 13:06:12 -0700 From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:MattB, Improving on TOT...not improv-ing Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980502130603.00745c0c@pop3.concentric.net>
Justin JKorby felt like being a dick and spewed forth:
>I know Petrucci can improvise a solo, but you may be right- I'm not sure if >can improvise a SOLOW. I've been playing for 13yrs, and still don't know how >to play a SOLOW. Man, I must keep up on these new trends! What does it take to >get good at SOLOWING? Ha ha ha. Man, am I one sarcastic SOB or what? >Justin
Mr. Justin, you obviously are not aware that MattB is one of (at least) two YtseJammers on this mailing list who is visually impaired and depends on text-to-speech translators and phonetics to enjoy your sarcasm. So as soon as you are able to remove your head from your ass and your foot from your mouth, I think you owe Mr. MattB an apology.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:18:01 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New cd's Message-ID: <353353F9.A7A6C3BA@geocities.com>
Hi there!!!
Went shopping today, bought three new gems home. =) Brief reviews:
- Iron Maiden - Virtual XI Ahn... what can I say... IM seems to be losing its touch with the time. Although there are some reaaly cool songs - "The Angel and the Gambler" and "When two Worlds Collide" are very cool - the album seems to have something missing form it... Blaze's vocals, IMO, are a little better than in The X-Factor. A good album, but nothing extraordinary.
- Symphony X - Twilight in Olympus I read a lot of people saying about how this album is good. I still prefer TDWoT and The Damnation Game to this one, although it's really good. I just heard it once - and did not pay much attention :-), so maybe it'll get better with time. Very cool album.
- Stratovarius - Visions of Europe I paid really cheap for this one - 25 bucks, and it's a double CD (I paid that for Symphony X's one alone!!! And the japanese one was about 50 bucks). Every minute I feel like I am at their show here last year - the setlist, Kotipelto's talks with the crowd, everything sounds familiar. =) As far as sound quality goes for a live recording, I thing it could be better mixed. The drums sometimes are too loud. And there's even a photo of the Brazilian Fan Club in the liner!!! =) Hehehe... A nice album if you're into Stratovarius (and if you're not, then you should consider getting into them. They rock.) NP: Startovarius "Visions of Europe"
-- []'s /********************************************\ | Marcelo Vanzin | | vanzin@geocities.com | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ | \********************************************/
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:04:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Japanese stuff Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980502160121.16670D-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
Can anybody please post the extra things that the japanese versions of the DT cd s have?
Thanx
Mauricio
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:07:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980502170019.95804A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Sat, 2 May 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> On a more serious note...what if DT made a video for New Millennium, it became > a hit (which I think is very possible), and they did an MTV Unplugged special? > What songs would you want them to play? Why?
Obviously:
AD WFS TSM LSOAD TAMP HY AL (just piano & vox)
*They'd probably have to do PMU because it's their biggest hit. Might be kind of interesting. "Lie" might not be bad; after all L.I.E. wasn't bad on Acoustic Dreams. Maybe AW off ACOS. That's all I can think of.
Richie
>
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:25:44 -0300 From: "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Bass players Message-ID: <000601bd7600$2325cf80$3b4431cc@imemnok.gnt.net>
>So, I'm interested in the opinions of everybody (bassists, other musicians,
>non-musicians) on what makes a bass player good, and how, if at all, they may >be compared.
Well I think it is common knowledge. The thing that makes any musician regardless of the instrument they play, be it Bass, guitar, drums, or even bagpipes, is how fast they are. Speed is the only thing that makes a musician good. If they can't shred they should burn their instrument and take up needlepoint. Skakespeare once asked 'To shred or not to Shred, that is the question.' Well I think we all know the answer to that question.
Back to my needlepoint, I am making a teddy bear doily for my Uncle Nester.
Matt Halloran 'Jimmie cracked corn...and you know what, I don't give a Rat's ass.'
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 18:27:15 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: JP video (cont'd) Message-ID: <354B9DC3.B12F2140@ameritech.net>
James, thanks for the info on the JP video.
But what I would like to know is.......
1. Is $50 about the going rate, or is Guitar Center totally raping people on this?
2. Anything worthwhile for a beginner on it?
Thanks again, - Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:26:05 EDT From: Htdmhd <Htdmhd@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826 Message-ID: <da494f9a.354bb99e@aol.com>
Does anyone have the YNM radio single; and also, know of any other tracks being released to radio? DT on Unplugged would be great, but the narrow- mindedness of their staff would overshadow the whole concept. It might be a challenge to get things to sound right acoustically (aside from Mike practically having the night off), but it would DEFINITELY be worth a try! NP: Soulfly S/T
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:33:45 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Two-Handed Tapping Guitarists Message-ID: <199805030033.TAA94460@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
Try Jennifer Batten
> All this talk about Stanley Jordan brings to mind two vastly different yet >incredibly brilliant practitioners of the two-handed tapping technique: Reb >Beach -- yeah, the guy who used to be in those goofy Winger videos --
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:58:26 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jon Kretschmer is cool Message-ID: <01BD75F3.E976C660.aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
I'm publicly stating that he is cool cause I got my tickets to the 5/18 DT show at HOB in LA (how's that acronym-philia?) this afternoon. Yay! See all those southern CA jammers soon! Thanks Jon for picking those up for me.
~Chris
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 21:02:46 -0400 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: problems? testes...testes...1, 2, 3?? Message-ID: <354BC235.2D95A3@caribe.net>
Are there problems with the jam? I havent gotten anything since midday today...
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 18:41:10 PDT From: "Al Anet" <my_mistake@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <19980503014114.19088.qmail@hotmail.com>
First Person: Confessions of a Metal Head
(Moon Unit Zappa, daughter of legendary rock pioneer Frank Zappa, recalls how a teenage crush on Jon Bon Jovi led her to become a heavy-metal head banger.)
We had two rules growing up in my house: 1. If you're going to take a shower, do it with whomever you're dating so you don't waste water; and 2. If you buy one for yourself, buy six, because chances are everybody's going to want one. The first rule traumatized me because I used the bathroom right next to my parents' room, so I didn't date much, and the second one, well, I was the only one who followed it, so it wasn't exactly a two-way street. Needless to say, it occurred to me when I was old enough to make rules of my own that they should be fair and simple. Mine was, If the Bon Jovi video with Jon walking down the street singing "She don't even know my name" came on, I was to be notified at once. Since it was the only rule I had, I wanted strictest attention paid to its enforcement.
You see, I knew Jon Bon Jovi was mine. How did I know? He wore a little crescent moon around his neck, which could be seen quite clearly in the video. So it was only a matter of time.
Up until seeing Jon on the tube, I had spent most of my life locked in my bedroom, miserable about my raging acne and "friend" label with the guys at school. In those days if you didn't have a concave stomach while lying flat on your back at the beach (so you could see your pubic hair in your bathing-suit bottoms), you just weren't noticed. My dad's music had made me shy, almost repressed about my own anatomy, with his lyrics about ramming things up poop chutes and shooting too quick -- this, from my dad! He was so open creatively that I was off in search of black turtleneck bathing suits with long sleeves.
"Valley Girl," the song my father and I did together in 1982, made me feel like a sad zoo specimen. Going through puberty in front of the world on shows like Solid Gold and Merv Griffin only added to my self-consciousness. But Jon lifted me out of all this. I felt uninhibited, unbridled lust for him. My attention became focused on the love I felt coursing through my veins. Who cared if my legs touched at the top? That's when I started perusing magazines like _Kerrang!_ and _Circus_ for clues to meeting my dream man. I was studying photos of him backstage at Ratt shows and Mötley Crüe gigs when it dawned on me. Start going to rock concerts! Hang out backstage!
My brother Dweezil was already into metal and had been trying to got me interested in Van Halen, Def Leppard and Ozzy for years. He is two years younger than I am, so that was reason enough to reject his worldview. But now I had a purpose! By day I dreamed up ways to make Jon mine by using some elementary witchcraft: writing my name in cursive with "Bon Jovi" as my new last name, dripping candle wax on the curling j's and n's, and burning the edges of the page to make it look like something out of medieval times while reciting made-up virginal incantations. By night, Dweezil and I would go as far as Irvine to see shows: Aerosmith, Mötley Crüe, Ratt ... no sign of Jon anywhere ... Dokken, Rough Cutt ... hey, that guitar player is kind of cute ... No, stay focused! I would think. Stay close to the Implants; they must know something because they keep getting asked into the inner chambers backstage.
I wasn't lucky enough to be born with a body that responded well to acid-washed jeans and Lycra, so I had to rely on my last name to get past the bodyguards. Dweezil sensed my lack of interest in the guitar solos and ditched me when I started spending nights at metal clubs on Sunset Strip like the Rainbow and the Cathouse, hoping for a glimpse. At one point I was so desperate that I was prepared to try Gazzari's, the lowest dive on the head-banging totem pole, when Dweezil took pity on me and tossed me a golden bone: a pass to the NAMM convention, a trade show devoted entirely to the latest amps, guitars, drum kits -- a musician's dream. Endorsement city! Surely Jon would be there.
He wasn't, but Dweezil and I did get invited to the rock & roll charity bowlathon that Jon was expected to attend. We were hot on his trail! I could feel my future as his bride gathering momentum. On the magical night, we arrived to see the likes of Tom Petty, Gene Simmons and Rob Halford trying on bowling shoes and throwing gutter balls like normal folk. I spotted some of the guys from Poison and Faster Pussycat and all of Whitesnake when, sweet Jesus, there he was! The spell worked! As if in a dream, I approached him (very anti-The Rules), introduced myself and stood there staring at his moon necklace, waiting for him to kiss me. Destiny! But he didn't get it. He looked around the room at the other girls, the ones whose legs didn't touch at the top. The spell didn't seem to be taking. Oh, why wasn't I lucky enough to be a video vixen crawling out of a manhole on a steamy, wet street at night? Or standing in front of a wind machine, dressed like a cross between a waitress and a hooker in red vinyl with a cherry in my mouth? Why wasn't I lucky enough to be a stripper (sorry, "dancer") standing on the hood of an expensive sports car in stilettos and a leopard-print bikini? Why wasn't I Tawny Kitaen? He'd want me then. I tried to get his attention back. "What sign are you?" I asked, trying to help him realize that what he was looking for was right under his perfect little nose. "Pisces," he said politely while beginning to move on. The room was spinning now. Pisces? It can't be! Not at all good for a Libra. I was devastated, ruined. That's when I spied the guitar player from Rough Cutt....
After all the shows I had seen and after all the music I had ingested, I realized I'd become as fickle as the next metal head. I bowled the night away, all the while singing Bon Jovi's "Wanted Dead or Alive" to myself: "It's all the same, only the names have changed."
In the end, I guess what I'm saying is that all that wishing energy must go somewhere, so be careful. Sometimes you chase a dream, and another one catches you instead. In my case I chased Jon but landed in the lap, literally, of a certain other rock god (okay, demigod), with whom I had my singlemost formative and traumatizing sexual experience to date. At his show I could see clearly that although thousands of screaming fans adored him, he was playing for me. Finally, someone who didn't like me for my mind! I won't disclose the horrifying details of the event, but I will say that later that night he was generous enough to let me sleep on the wet spot.
A year after, I bumped into him at another NAMM show, and he told me he was sorry about everything that had happened, that it had caused him suffering, too, and that the only person he felt he could talk to about the whole thing was his close friend -- say it with me now -- Jon Bon Jovi.
I may have lost Jon, but the good news is that I can sing along, by heart, to any albums by the following: Ratt, Winger, Scorps, Metallica, Queensryche, Nelson, Cinderella, Extreme, Pantera, Priest and Van Halen, even the Van Hagar stuff (don't get me started on that subject). I know many others, but these are the ones I am most proud of. I have begun to appreciate the more easy-listening stuff too: Tool, Foo Fighters, Nine Inch Nails. I've got my eye on you Trent the Taurus....
P.S. A few years ago, I heard Jon married someone who kind of looks like me. Go figure.
-- Moon Unit Zappa from _Harper's Bazaar_, April 1998
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