YTSEJAM digest 3835

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Mon May 04 1998 - 10:25:31 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 3835

    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: I don't mean to be rude, dude, but you better change your
     by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
      2) Maritime Hall gig
     by "James Bennett" <rycher@thegrid.net>
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3834
     by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
      4) Re: van halen
     by Paul Kendall <pkendall@wave.co.nz>
      5) Re: Berklee College of Music
     by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
      6) Re: van halen
     by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
      7) writing credits
     by Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
      8) The goal of any musician
     by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
      9) Diversity
     by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
     10) What makes a good bassist?
     by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
     11) Come on MFP - I mean Berklee vs.MI
     by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
     12) unplugged?
     by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
     13) Re: Load and Re Load
     by "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
     14) Re: Berklee College of Music
     by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
     15) Guitar contest
     by AL <al@isd.net>
     16) RE: Rush stuff
     by Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com>
     17) Therion/Electric Wizard
     by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
     18) chat
     by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:37:15 -0500
    From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: I don't mean to be rude, dude, but you better change your
    Message-ID: <199805040637.BAA260334@mail.mty.itesm.mx>

    >
    >Fact: When I saw Extreme live, they played He-Man Woman Hater, but
    >*skipped* the intro, which could easily make one think that Nuno wasn't
    >the one playing it in the first place.

    that's weird, I only saw them make he-man woman hater once....which tour was it?
    also is strange that he didnt play flight of the bumble bee since he always
    played that as his spotlight solo...well, I was just curious.
    thanks.

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 00:01:07 -0700
    From: "James Bennett" <rycher@thegrid.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Maritime Hall gig
    Message-ID: <000101bd772a$694986c0$2f14a2d1@james>

    To all,

      Anyone else going to the SF show at Maritime Hall?

    I feel so alone.......contact me if you r going also

    James

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 03:12:52 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3834
    Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980504025855.112952A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>

    On Sun, 3 May 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:

    >
    > > Did anyone watch the 10 spot on MTV Friday and see Van Halen? Anyone with
    > > any comments?
    >
    I saw it. I thought the song selection was horrible. I expected them to
    concentrate on III stuff, since that's the product they're currently
    pushing. "Without You" was cool especially, the way they ended it with "We
    Can Work It Out." That was something Extreme would have done and it was
    cool. "One I Want" went over pretty well too. But did they really have to
    play "A Year To The Day?" I am now convinced that song is just one big
    Eddie-wank fest. And why only one Van Hagar song? What the fuck? They're
    practically ignoring 11 years of great music. And it's not like Gary can't
    pull them off. He sounded awesome on "Why Can't This Be Love." How about
    "Dreams," or "When It's Love?" I know that they didn't broadcast the
    entire concert, but that's what I wanted to hear. I was also curious to
    see how Gary would sound on the DLR stuff. He sounded like, um,
    Gary singing DLR stuff. He didn't try to imitate. He made them his own and
    I respect that. And he certainly pulled off "Panama" and "Ain't Talking
    'Bout Love" better than Sammy ever did (and that's coming from a fan). But
    did we really have to hear "Mean Streets?" As for Gary's stage presence, I
    think he's awesome. Never boring to watch. I thought he was going to kill
    himself tumbling down those stairs. Very cool. I'll definitely go see them
    in concert after seeing this show. Next week on "Live At The 10 Spot" is
    Hanson. Can't think of a better way to end finals week.

                                            Richie

    NP: Jani Lane- "I Was Only Joking" (from "Forever Mod: A Tribute To Rod
    Stewart")

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:19:00 +1200
    From: Paul Kendall <pkendall@wave.co.nz>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: van halen
    Message-ID: <l03130300b17308f0b5ea@[203.96.193.169]>

    "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> wrote:

    >Did anyone watch the 10 spot on MTV Friday and see Van Halen? Anyone with
    >any comments? They sounded better then I thought they would with Gary
    >singing, but I'm having a hard time with all of Garys "prancing" around the
    >stage like a gay blade.

    Here's my opinion of VH with Gary. I haven't seen the MTV footage of the
    Sydney show but I was in the front row for that particular concert and did
    see 9 of the 10 shows on the recently completed New Zealand/Australian
    tour.

    Firstly, they sounded better than they have for a long time judging by the
    videos and bootleg CDs I've heard. You may not like his stage antics but
    to me Gary is the perfect fit for the band at the present time. No one can
    criticise his voice and Gary certainly does justice to the DLR and Hagar
    tunes. The group I was travelling with were almost exclusively Roth-era
    fans and all of us were amazed when we first heard Gary sing the older
    songs and the VHIII songs live. I ,for one, like what Gary does on stage
    and he is similar to Roth in that regard. The big difference is that Gary
    continues to sing. You can also see his Freddie Mercury influences coming
    out which may be interpreted as "prancing" by some.

    Secondly, the band as a whole appears very happy and that chemistry shows
    in their live performance. Ed is always smiling and his interaction with
    Gary demonstrates how close they are. The same could be said for Alex and
    Mike with Gary. They are having fun again and are really enjoying
    themselves on stage.

    Lastly, if you get the chance see VH when they play near you, do it! You
    won't regret it.

    Paul

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    Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 00:41:57 -0700
    From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Berklee College of Music
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980504004149.0073a6e8@pop3.concentric.net>

    >ups, one more thing...
    >for the people interested in going to berklee or MI check their info at
    >http://www.berklee.com (or is it berklee.edu?)
    >and I should have the MI URL right here but I dont find it...it may be the
    >same... mi.edu or mi.com

    I'd just like to remind everyone interested in studying music at the
    college level that there are other excellent music schools in the United
    States besides Berklee "is no fucking guarantee!" College of Music or
    Musicians' Institute. Have a look around. You might be pleasantly surprised.

    Pastor Rick
    San Francisco

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    Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:16:38 +1000
    From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: van halen
    Message-ID: <354D7966.A250C479@sydney.net>

    Paul Kendall wrote:
    > Secondly, the band as a whole appears very happy and that chemistry shows
    > in their live performance. Ed is always smiling and his interaction with
    > Gary demonstrates how close they are. The same could be said for Alex and
    > Mike with Gary. They are having fun again and are really enjoying
    > themselves on stage.
    >
    > Lastly, if you get the chance see VH when they play near you, do it! You
    > won't regret it.

    I agree 100%, the Sydney gig was awesome, the best gig I have seen.
    Gary was great and won me over, both as a frontman and singer surprised
    me with how good he was.

    graham

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    Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:38:28 +0200
    From: Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
    To: dream theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: writing credits
    Message-ID: <354D7E84.66CE@club-internet.fr>

    Hey Jeff, you should check your albums:
    Eddie Van Halen doesn't write much? That's a first!!!
    Same for Nuno, Perry, Page and May!!!
    They are or were not the dictators in their band, but they sure wrote a
    great deal of music for their bands. The most democratic band being
    Queen as every member of the band had hits with songs they had written.

    You need to tell me how many credits has Joey Kramer in Aerosmith whole
    career. I am sure his name doesn't appear often at the bottom of a
    song.

    Fabrice

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:23:40 EDT
    From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: The goal of any musician
    Message-ID: <a1675b98.354d891d@aol.com>

    Josh Becker writes:
    "The ultimate goal for any musician on any instrument should be to achieve
    the highest level of technique, creativity and overall musical value in
    their playing as possible"

    I couldn't disagree more.

    I know the faster I play, the more women I will get. If more notes per minute
    didn't equal more chicks - I'd stop playing guitar today. I teach this to all
    my students - but they are all so damn ugly.

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:31:52 EDT
    From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Diversity
    Message-ID: <d08cb898.354d8b09@aol.com>

    Christian P Kremo said of Slayer's new album:
    "It's about time they tried to diversify themselves"

    If I am not mistaken, the thing that drove people to Slayer in the original
    years was the fact they were doing their own thing. I'm not going to argue
    that they were the originators - but I don't think they did it for any other
    reason except they liked it.

    Why do people want their bands to diversify? There is nothing wrong with
    diversifying, but only if it is natural. In other words - they want to
    diversify.

    Why didn't Coltrane whip out a metal riff?
    Why doesn't BB King play neoclassical?
    Why doesn't Nine Inch Nails play jazz?

    Why is that some people are put on a pedestal for "fighting change" and others
    ripped on for "fighting change"? And the saddest thing is the term "sell
    out".

    Metallica is the prime example. I don't like them now, not because they may
    have "sold out". The main reason is because Lars died. Plain and simple.
    Lars Ulrich was killed, but the record label wouldn't hear of it. They got
    someone who won a Lars Ulrich look alike contest and put him up there. If you
    listen to the CD of Reload on the "label" side or upside down, there is a
    bonus track "Lars is dead". That is why I don't like Metallica anymore. They
    can't fool me.

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:40:30 EDT
    From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: What makes a good bassist?
    Message-ID: <b68db399.354d8d10@aol.com>

    Rob Gaul scribbled:
    "i play bass. although i NEVER claim to be good. i am decent. ive played
    for 4 years. what makes a good bassist is the talent to know that he isnt
    the best"

    A good bassist capitalizes the first word of a sentence. Or did I just slam
    someone I should not have :o)

    Too bad, cause his ideas weren't all that bad. I can even agree with him.
    bUT THERE WILL BE NO SENTENCE BEGINNING IN LOWER CASE IN MY BAND. gOT IT.

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:56:26 EDT
    From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Come on MFP - I mean Berklee vs.MI
    Message-ID: <6903261a.354d90cb@aol.com>

    I can only speak for MI, cause that is where I went. Why did I go to MI?
    Because it was a more OPEN ENDED school.

    I read an interview with Reb Beach saying how he was told that he couldn't
    pass a class if he didn't hold his pick RIGHT. He was probably lying - but it
    turned me off. I also heard Berklee was more Jazz oriented.

    I am the type of person that can learn on his own without being told how to
    learn. I also don't like it when somebody says "That's wrong". In music,
    there is no wrong. There was only one teacher at MI that told me "That's
    wrong" and I hated him immediately. You have to solo in front of teachers all
    the time - and I played a solo in front of him. If you know my style, you
    know I am very ahh creative. I don't mean like "wow man, that was so outside.
    It sounded horrible .... but it was so outside it was cool". I mean I like to
    have things in my music that are not ahhhh standardized. I can't really
    explain it. Anyhow, this teacher was like - "you were too brutal on the solo.
    You sounded pissed. I can't give you the okay on this." I couldn't believe
    it. EVERY other teacher and student would tell me how cool I was. That my
    sound was very unique. Even when I didn't like someone's style, I never put
    them down. I still hate that teacher . If you go to MI - his initials are
    JF.

    But as far as the rest of MI went, very cool environment. BUT if you want to
    suck, they aren't going to hold your hand. They will let you suck and pass.
    An MI certificate means NOTHING. I still have mine filed away. Never sees
    the light of day.

    MI has everything you need to real FIND yourself as a musician. Open 24/7
    (atleast when I was there) so you can jam with people ANYTIME you want. Big
    stage performances all the time. Cool visitors. Massive library - if you are
    self motivated - this is enough to keep you busy. I still have stacks of
    xeroxed stuff from the library that I still practice today. And it is very
    cool meeting people from ALL OVER THE WORLD. Oh and if you wear your MI badge
    to a strip club - you will go home with a stripper :o)

    As far as which school is better. I might be inclined to say Berklee. But
    then again, all the hero alumni of Berklee dropped out - so it is really the
    individual. I think Dream Theater would have existed regardless of Berklee.
    Besides Portnoy is so outgoing - he would have found Petrucci and co.
    regardless :o) Maybe at a pet food store or something.

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:13:40 +0200
    From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: unplugged?
    Message-ID: <199805041013.NAA28050@xyz.estcard.ee>

    > From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
    > Obviously:

    > AD
    > WFS
    > TSM
    > LSOAD
    > TAMP
    > HY
    > AL (just piano & vox)

    I would add:

    JDHFDY
    JSDSFJ
    LKDFUIU
    MMNSDASA
    GG
    OPPP
    QWERTY

    Or wha'd'ya think? Bugger to pronounce, but they'll manage.

    Raitz,
    chronologically impaired

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    Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 06:47:22 -0400
    From: "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
    To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Load and Re Load
    Message-ID: <C5B7060FE2DCD011A8730060B01A6244322CF6@mail.rtp.gtegsc.com>

    > Don't get me wrong, I'm not real thrilled with the direction
    > Metallica has taken, but at least they're changing and not just putting
    > out black album after black album.

      After reading the last couple posts about Metallica I had to get my $.02
    in.
    I grew up in Rochester, NY and I can remember a demo tape floating around
    by this band that was recording an album there. (The studio time was cheap)
    After getting a hold of the demo I was totally amazed and little did I
    realize
    that this band was to become one of my all time favorite bands. After
    releasing
    Kill Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and And Justice for All
    this
    was still one of my favorite bands. Suddenly the 'black' album came
    out...well
    ok, this album was decent and kind of grew on you like some daemonic fungus
    and certain questions still remained unanswered like "My gawd, what happened
    to the Lars Ulrich drumming?" or "Jesus, what happened to Jason's supposed
    influence?". But like all the old fans I figured I'd wait until their next
    album is
    released...and it was. Load is an abortion, after hearing all the crap that
    Jason
    and Kirk contributed greatly to the album I was figuring that maybe _they_
    were
    the ones who wimped out until I read the liner...like lesbians, Kirk and
    Jason simply
    didn't do dick on that album. The whole thing was basically dominated be
    James and
    Lars. Then re-Load came out...I'm still kicking myself in the ass for
    actually spending
    money on that one. I guess all good things come to an end but I just kind of
    wish that
    Metallica had simply stopped or at least kept up the momentum from their
    earlier works.
    The progression from Kill Em All to And Justice was incredible, then with
    the addition of
    what they call the "5th member" Bob Rock, well now their formula for
    woussing out was
    complete. I'll keep playing the older stuff but I have to agree that
    anything new by them
    will be along the same lines as this re-cycled crap that any semi-talentless
    grunge
    band could overproduce.

    Jim

    PS I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this post, just remember this post
    is my OPINION!
          All of us are entitled to share our opinions (and we usually do)
    regardless of who
          agrees and disagrees.

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 06:52:10 -0500
    From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Berklee College of Music
    Message-ID: <000601bd7753$12fb6c60$43c95bd1@emc.caribe.net>

    >From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
    >Subject: Berklee College of Music
    >
    >I know of a couple of jammers who attend berklee, could they email me
    >privately? I need to ask you guys some info on Berklee... yep you
    >guessed it.. im interested in attending... thanx -

    Well, I just got a brochure for berklee's summer program which i'd like to
    attend but i'll probly be taking summer school (blast! and in senior year
    too). Anyways, you could take a look at that. Oh, and interesting side
    note - it's got (obviously) a bunch of pics of people playing music and in
    two of em the guitarist is playing a JPM. Kewl. Moo.

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    Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 07:44:19 -0500
    From: AL <al@isd.net>
    To: YTSE Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Guitar contest
    Message-ID: <354DB823.9DB6AED1@isd.net>

    OK you arrogant guitarists, listen up. I have a challenge for you.
    20 US dollars to the person that can play the guitar solo from the song
    *Heartless* by Aldo Nova. Using your limp penis as a pick.
    Go ahead try. Gals, you can try this as well with a *friends*
    help. Unfortunately, if the *friend* develops a chubby you
    may be disqualified. Good luck!

    Any guesses on the Jammer that will be the winner of Freud-Fest 98?

    --
    See ya,   AL...
    

    Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:05:42 -0500 From: Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com> To: "'YJ Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Rush stuff Message-ID: <01BD7733.71E655C0.mail@beyondthemirror.com>

    Sun, 3 May 1998 Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> wrote:

    <Anybody knows why in hell Neil Peart is never credited to write <some of the music for sung-Rush songs? I think it's maybe an <arrangement they made up when they were starting.....because <i dont think that Lifeson and Lee tell Peart what to do all the <time....Peart wouldnt be Peart on drums if that was true. <Check out some VH tabs, do you really think that everybody <in VH had some musical input in songs like Eruption or 316? <Don't think so!

    There are actually legal guidelines to songwriting credits because that's what determines royalty distribution. Basically, in legal terms, writing the music for a song is defined as creating two things: 1) the chord progression and 2) the basic melodic structure (usually vocal melody). Arrangements of instruments, rhythmic treatment, drum fills and even guitar solos are usually not considered to be part of the songwriting under this definition. I'm not saying that this is right (especially in progressive music) - it's just the way that the courts have decided these types of matters.

    In the case of Van Halen, the band agreed in the beginning to put all four members' names on all the songs no matter who actually wrote them. I think that this was done in the interest of band unity or something like that. Indeed, Eddie later admitted that he regretted agreeing to this arrangement because he did end up writing almost all of the music on those early albums.

    A similar arrangement was struck by the Beatles who released dozens of songs under the songwriting credit of Lennon/McCartney. It's common knowledge that most of those songs were not collaborative efforts, but rather solo pieces by one or the other.

    Josh Becker josh@beyondthemirror.com http://www.beyondthemirror.com

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    Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:31:09 +0100 From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Therion/Electric Wizard Message-ID: <01BD7771.AA77A720@pcnga.software-ag.de>

    Hi all

    time for a few more reviews.

    THERION - Vovin

    Therion's last album 'Theli' was one of THE albums in the last couple of years, and the obvious question was will they ever be able to top it? The simple answer is 'yes'. 'Vovin' is more beautiful and symphonic, making more use of real violins, violas, cellos and double bass (not keyboards). But the major change and improvement is in the singing department. Almost all vocals are by the alto and soprano singers, backed by choirs, whereas Christofer Johnsson (the driving force behind Therion) only takes on lead vocals once on the track 'The Wild Hunt', which is at the same time that hardest, fastest and most metallic track on the album. 'Vovin' is very harmonic and is the best symphonic metal I've ever heard. People who only want the harder side of the music may be a little disappointed (like those who thought Tiamat's 'A Deeper Kind Of Slumber' was a disappointment because it wasn't as heavy as 'Wild Honey'), but I think this is Therion's best album to date and also one that will win them many more new fans. 10/10. PS - US fans will have to wait until the end of May before it is released over there.

    ELECTRIC WIZARD - Come My Fanatics...

    This album redefines doom. Crushing, huge, massive, excruciatingly heavy. How these guys manage to downtune their guitars so low and still be able to play them baffles me - I thought my CD players were running slow! Just listen to the bass on the opener 'Return Trip' and you immediately know that this album has grooves so deep that you could hide Mount Everest in them. The barrage of sound that these three guys produce is almost tangible. One fuzzed-out, monumental riff follows the other, riffs so ball-crushing that your bass speakers beg for mercy - playing this at annoying loud volume caused two pictures to fall off the wall in my bedroom. The sources of inspiration are, of course, obvious - Black Sabbath, Cathedral, Hawkwind, Kyuss, and large amounts of top quality grass. This album is extremely difficult to find, but find it at all costs if you are into real doom and stoner rock. This has got to be the most fucked up album ever. 10/10.

    stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Bob Calvert - Captain Lockheed And The Starfighters

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    Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:04:32 -0400 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: chat Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980504100431.00779d14@maila.wm.edu>

    >>Thursday, May 28 D: Open Music Chat The Rock (Or Special Room, TBA) 10-12pm EST Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci (Dream Theater) and Tony Levin (King Crimon, Peter Gabriel) to chat about their album Liquid Tension Experiment! >>

    That my birthday! How cool is that? Maybe I can actually remember the date this time!

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