YTSEJAM Digest 3835
Today's Topics:
1) Re: I don't mean to be rude, dude, but you better change your
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
2) Maritime Hall gig
by "James Bennett" <rycher@thegrid.net>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3834
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
4) Re: van halen
by Paul Kendall <pkendall@wave.co.nz>
5) Re: Berklee College of Music
by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
6) Re: van halen
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
7) writing credits
by Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
8) The goal of any musician
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
9) Diversity
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
10) What makes a good bassist?
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
11) Come on MFP - I mean Berklee vs.MI
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
12) unplugged?
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
13) Re: Load and Re Load
by "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
14) Re: Berklee College of Music
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
15) Guitar contest
by AL <al@isd.net>
16) RE: Rush stuff
by Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com>
17) Therion/Electric Wizard
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
18) chat
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:37:15 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: I don't mean to be rude, dude, but you better change your
Message-ID: <199805040637.BAA260334@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
>
>Fact: When I saw Extreme live, they played He-Man Woman Hater, but
>*skipped* the intro, which could easily make one think that Nuno wasn't
>the one playing it in the first place.
that's weird, I only saw them make he-man woman hater once....which tour was it?
also is strange that he didnt play flight of the bumble bee since he always
played that as his spotlight solo...well, I was just curious.
thanks.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 00:01:07 -0700
From: "James Bennett" <rycher@thegrid.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Maritime Hall gig
Message-ID: <000101bd772a$694986c0$2f14a2d1@james>
To all,
Anyone else going to the SF show at Maritime Hall?
I feel so alone.......contact me if you r going also
James
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 03:12:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3834
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980504025855.112952A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Sun, 3 May 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> > Did anyone watch the 10 spot on MTV Friday and see Van Halen? Anyone with
> > any comments?
>
I saw it. I thought the song selection was horrible. I expected them to
concentrate on III stuff, since that's the product they're currently
pushing. "Without You" was cool especially, the way they ended it with "We
Can Work It Out." That was something Extreme would have done and it was
cool. "One I Want" went over pretty well too. But did they really have to
play "A Year To The Day?" I am now convinced that song is just one big
Eddie-wank fest. And why only one Van Hagar song? What the fuck? They're
practically ignoring 11 years of great music. And it's not like Gary can't
pull them off. He sounded awesome on "Why Can't This Be Love." How about
"Dreams," or "When It's Love?" I know that they didn't broadcast the
entire concert, but that's what I wanted to hear. I was also curious to
see how Gary would sound on the DLR stuff. He sounded like, um,
Gary singing DLR stuff. He didn't try to imitate. He made them his own and
I respect that. And he certainly pulled off "Panama" and "Ain't Talking
'Bout Love" better than Sammy ever did (and that's coming from a fan). But
did we really have to hear "Mean Streets?" As for Gary's stage presence, I
think he's awesome. Never boring to watch. I thought he was going to kill
himself tumbling down those stairs. Very cool. I'll definitely go see them
in concert after seeing this show. Next week on "Live At The 10 Spot" is
Hanson. Can't think of a better way to end finals week.
Richie
NP: Jani Lane- "I Was Only Joking" (from "Forever Mod: A Tribute To Rod
Stewart")
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:19:00 +1200
From: Paul Kendall <pkendall@wave.co.nz>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: van halen
Message-ID: <l03130300b17308f0b5ea@[203.96.193.169]>
"Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> wrote:
>Did anyone watch the 10 spot on MTV Friday and see Van Halen? Anyone with
>any comments? They sounded better then I thought they would with Gary
>singing, but I'm having a hard time with all of Garys "prancing" around the
>stage like a gay blade.
Here's my opinion of VH with Gary. I haven't seen the MTV footage of the
Sydney show but I was in the front row for that particular concert and did
see 9 of the 10 shows on the recently completed New Zealand/Australian
tour.
Firstly, they sounded better than they have for a long time judging by the
videos and bootleg CDs I've heard. You may not like his stage antics but
to me Gary is the perfect fit for the band at the present time. No one can
criticise his voice and Gary certainly does justice to the DLR and Hagar
tunes. The group I was travelling with were almost exclusively Roth-era
fans and all of us were amazed when we first heard Gary sing the older
songs and the VHIII songs live. I ,for one, like what Gary does on stage
and he is similar to Roth in that regard. The big difference is that Gary
continues to sing. You can also see his Freddie Mercury influences coming
out which may be interpreted as "prancing" by some.
Secondly, the band as a whole appears very happy and that chemistry shows
in their live performance. Ed is always smiling and his interaction with
Gary demonstrates how close they are. The same could be said for Alex and
Mike with Gary. They are having fun again and are really enjoying
themselves on stage.
Lastly, if you get the chance see VH when they play near you, do it! You
won't regret it.
Paul
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 00:41:57 -0700
From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Berklee College of Music
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980504004149.0073a6e8@pop3.concentric.net>
>ups, one more thing...
>for the people interested in going to berklee or MI check their info at
>http://www.berklee.com (or is it berklee.edu?)
>and I should have the MI URL right here but I dont find it...it may be the
>same... mi.edu or mi.com
I'd just like to remind everyone interested in studying music at the
college level that there are other excellent music schools in the United
States besides Berklee "is no fucking guarantee!" College of Music or
Musicians' Institute. Have a look around. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Pastor Rick
San Francisco
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:16:38 +1000
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: van halen
Message-ID: <354D7966.A250C479@sydney.net>
Paul Kendall wrote:
> Secondly, the band as a whole appears very happy and that chemistry shows
> in their live performance. Ed is always smiling and his interaction with
> Gary demonstrates how close they are. The same could be said for Alex and
> Mike with Gary. They are having fun again and are really enjoying
> themselves on stage.
>
> Lastly, if you get the chance see VH when they play near you, do it! You
> won't regret it.
I agree 100%, the Sydney gig was awesome, the best gig I have seen.
Gary was great and won me over, both as a frontman and singer surprised
me with how good he was.
graham
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:38:28 +0200
From: Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
To: dream theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: writing credits
Message-ID: <354D7E84.66CE@club-internet.fr>
Hey Jeff, you should check your albums:
Eddie Van Halen doesn't write much? That's a first!!!
Same for Nuno, Perry, Page and May!!!
They are or were not the dictators in their band, but they sure wrote a
great deal of music for their bands. The most democratic band being
Queen as every member of the band had hits with songs they had written.
You need to tell me how many credits has Joey Kramer in Aerosmith whole
career. I am sure his name doesn't appear often at the bottom of a
song.
Fabrice
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:23:40 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The goal of any musician
Message-ID: <a1675b98.354d891d@aol.com>
Josh Becker writes:
"The ultimate goal for any musician on any instrument should be to achieve
the highest level of technique, creativity and overall musical value in
their playing as possible"
I couldn't disagree more.
I know the faster I play, the more women I will get. If more notes per minute
didn't equal more chicks - I'd stop playing guitar today. I teach this to all
my students - but they are all so damn ugly.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:31:52 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Diversity
Message-ID: <d08cb898.354d8b09@aol.com>
Christian P Kremo said of Slayer's new album:
"It's about time they tried to diversify themselves"
If I am not mistaken, the thing that drove people to Slayer in the original
years was the fact they were doing their own thing. I'm not going to argue
that they were the originators - but I don't think they did it for any other
reason except they liked it.
Why do people want their bands to diversify? There is nothing wrong with
diversifying, but only if it is natural. In other words - they want to
diversify.
Why didn't Coltrane whip out a metal riff?
Why doesn't BB King play neoclassical?
Why doesn't Nine Inch Nails play jazz?
Why is that some people are put on a pedestal for "fighting change" and others
ripped on for "fighting change"? And the saddest thing is the term "sell
out".
Metallica is the prime example. I don't like them now, not because they may
have "sold out". The main reason is because Lars died. Plain and simple.
Lars Ulrich was killed, but the record label wouldn't hear of it. They got
someone who won a Lars Ulrich look alike contest and put him up there. If you
listen to the CD of Reload on the "label" side or upside down, there is a
bonus track "Lars is dead". That is why I don't like Metallica anymore. They
can't fool me.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:40:30 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What makes a good bassist?
Message-ID: <b68db399.354d8d10@aol.com>
Rob Gaul scribbled:
"i play bass. although i NEVER claim to be good. i am decent. ive played
for 4 years. what makes a good bassist is the talent to know that he isnt
the best"
A good bassist capitalizes the first word of a sentence. Or did I just slam
someone I should not have :o)
Too bad, cause his ideas weren't all that bad. I can even agree with him.
bUT THERE WILL BE NO SENTENCE BEGINNING IN LOWER CASE IN MY BAND. gOT IT.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:56:26 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Come on MFP - I mean Berklee vs.MI
Message-ID: <6903261a.354d90cb@aol.com>
I can only speak for MI, cause that is where I went. Why did I go to MI?
Because it was a more OPEN ENDED school.
I read an interview with Reb Beach saying how he was told that he couldn't
pass a class if he didn't hold his pick RIGHT. He was probably lying - but it
turned me off. I also heard Berklee was more Jazz oriented.
I am the type of person that can learn on his own without being told how to
learn. I also don't like it when somebody says "That's wrong". In music,
there is no wrong. There was only one teacher at MI that told me "That's
wrong" and I hated him immediately. You have to solo in front of teachers all
the time - and I played a solo in front of him. If you know my style, you
know I am very ahh creative. I don't mean like "wow man, that was so outside.
It sounded horrible .... but it was so outside it was cool". I mean I like to
have things in my music that are not ahhhh standardized. I can't really
explain it. Anyhow, this teacher was like - "you were too brutal on the solo.
You sounded pissed. I can't give you the okay on this." I couldn't believe
it. EVERY other teacher and student would tell me how cool I was. That my
sound was very unique. Even when I didn't like someone's style, I never put
them down. I still hate that teacher . If you go to MI - his initials are
JF.
But as far as the rest of MI went, very cool environment. BUT if you want to
suck, they aren't going to hold your hand. They will let you suck and pass.
An MI certificate means NOTHING. I still have mine filed away. Never sees
the light of day.
MI has everything you need to real FIND yourself as a musician. Open 24/7
(atleast when I was there) so you can jam with people ANYTIME you want. Big
stage performances all the time. Cool visitors. Massive library - if you are
self motivated - this is enough to keep you busy. I still have stacks of
xeroxed stuff from the library that I still practice today. And it is very
cool meeting people from ALL OVER THE WORLD. Oh and if you wear your MI badge
to a strip club - you will go home with a stripper :o)
As far as which school is better. I might be inclined to say Berklee. But
then again, all the hero alumni of Berklee dropped out - so it is really the
individual. I think Dream Theater would have existed regardless of Berklee.
Besides Portnoy is so outgoing - he would have found Petrucci and co.
regardless :o) Maybe at a pet food store or something.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:13:40 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: unplugged?
Message-ID: <199805041013.NAA28050@xyz.estcard.ee>
> From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
> Obviously:
> AD
> WFS
> TSM
> LSOAD
> TAMP
> HY
> AL (just piano & vox)
I would add:
JDHFDY
JSDSFJ
LKDFUIU
MMNSDASA
GG
OPPP
QWERTY
Or wha'd'ya think? Bugger to pronounce, but they'll manage.
Raitz,
chronologically impaired
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 06:47:22 -0400
From: "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Load and Re Load
Message-ID: <C5B7060FE2DCD011A8730060B01A6244322CF6@mail.rtp.gtegsc.com>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not real thrilled with the direction
> Metallica has taken, but at least they're changing and not just putting
> out black album after black album.
After reading the last couple posts about Metallica I had to get my $.02
in.
I grew up in Rochester, NY and I can remember a demo tape floating around
by this band that was recording an album there. (The studio time was cheap)
After getting a hold of the demo I was totally amazed and little did I
realize
that this band was to become one of my all time favorite bands. After
releasing
Kill Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and And Justice for All
this
was still one of my favorite bands. Suddenly the 'black' album came
out...well
ok, this album was decent and kind of grew on you like some daemonic fungus
and certain questions still remained unanswered like "My gawd, what happened
to the Lars Ulrich drumming?" or "Jesus, what happened to Jason's supposed
influence?". But like all the old fans I figured I'd wait until their next
album is
released...and it was. Load is an abortion, after hearing all the crap that
Jason
and Kirk contributed greatly to the album I was figuring that maybe _they_
were
the ones who wimped out until I read the liner...like lesbians, Kirk and
Jason simply
didn't do dick on that album. The whole thing was basically dominated be
James and
Lars. Then re-Load came out...I'm still kicking myself in the ass for
actually spending
money on that one. I guess all good things come to an end but I just kind of
wish that
Metallica had simply stopped or at least kept up the momentum from their
earlier works.
The progression from Kill Em All to And Justice was incredible, then with
the addition of
what they call the "5th member" Bob Rock, well now their formula for
woussing out was
complete. I'll keep playing the older stuff but I have to agree that
anything new by them
will be along the same lines as this re-cycled crap that any semi-talentless
grunge
band could overproduce.
Jim
PS I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this post, just remember this post
is my OPINION!
All of us are entitled to share our opinions (and we usually do)
regardless of who
agrees and disagrees.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 06:52:10 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Berklee College of Music
Message-ID: <000601bd7753$12fb6c60$43c95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
>From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
>Subject: Berklee College of Music
>
>I know of a couple of jammers who attend berklee, could they email me
>privately? I need to ask you guys some info on Berklee... yep you
>guessed it.. im interested in attending... thanx -
Well, I just got a brochure for berklee's summer program which i'd like to
attend but i'll probly be taking summer school (blast! and in senior year
too). Anyways, you could take a look at that. Oh, and interesting side
note - it's got (obviously) a bunch of pics of people playing music and in
two of em the guitarist is playing a JPM. Kewl. Moo.
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 07:44:19 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: YTSE Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Guitar contest
Message-ID: <354DB823.9DB6AED1@isd.net>
OK you arrogant guitarists, listen up. I have a challenge for you.
20 US dollars to the person that can play the guitar solo from the song
*Heartless* by Aldo Nova. Using your limp penis as a pick.
Go ahead try. Gals, you can try this as well with a *friends*
help. Unfortunately, if the *friend* develops a chubby you
may be disqualified. Good luck!
Any guesses on the Jammer that will be the winner of Freud-Fest 98?
-- See ya, AL...Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:05:42 -0500 From: Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com> To: "'YJ Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Rush stuff Message-ID: <01BD7733.71E655C0.mail@beyondthemirror.com>
Sun, 3 May 1998 Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> wrote:
<Anybody knows why in hell Neil Peart is never credited to write <some of the music for sung-Rush songs? I think it's maybe an <arrangement they made up when they were starting.....because <i dont think that Lifeson and Lee tell Peart what to do all the <time....Peart wouldnt be Peart on drums if that was true. <Check out some VH tabs, do you really think that everybody <in VH had some musical input in songs like Eruption or 316? <Don't think so!
There are actually legal guidelines to songwriting credits because that's what determines royalty distribution. Basically, in legal terms, writing the music for a song is defined as creating two things: 1) the chord progression and 2) the basic melodic structure (usually vocal melody). Arrangements of instruments, rhythmic treatment, drum fills and even guitar solos are usually not considered to be part of the songwriting under this definition. I'm not saying that this is right (especially in progressive music) - it's just the way that the courts have decided these types of matters.
In the case of Van Halen, the band agreed in the beginning to put all four members' names on all the songs no matter who actually wrote them. I think that this was done in the interest of band unity or something like that. Indeed, Eddie later admitted that he regretted agreeing to this arrangement because he did end up writing almost all of the music on those early albums.
A similar arrangement was struck by the Beatles who released dozens of songs under the songwriting credit of Lennon/McCartney. It's common knowledge that most of those songs were not collaborative efforts, but rather solo pieces by one or the other.
Josh Becker josh@beyondthemirror.com http://www.beyondthemirror.com
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:31:09 +0100 From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Therion/Electric Wizard Message-ID: <01BD7771.AA77A720@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
time for a few more reviews.
THERION - Vovin
Therion's last album 'Theli' was one of THE albums in the last couple of years, and the obvious question was will they ever be able to top it? The simple answer is 'yes'. 'Vovin' is more beautiful and symphonic, making more use of real violins, violas, cellos and double bass (not keyboards). But the major change and improvement is in the singing department. Almost all vocals are by the alto and soprano singers, backed by choirs, whereas Christofer Johnsson (the driving force behind Therion) only takes on lead vocals once on the track 'The Wild Hunt', which is at the same time that hardest, fastest and most metallic track on the album. 'Vovin' is very harmonic and is the best symphonic metal I've ever heard. People who only want the harder side of the music may be a little disappointed (like those who thought Tiamat's 'A Deeper Kind Of Slumber' was a disappointment because it wasn't as heavy as 'Wild Honey'), but I think this is Therion's best album to date and also one that will win them many more new fans. 10/10. PS - US fans will have to wait until the end of May before it is released over there.
ELECTRIC WIZARD - Come My Fanatics...
This album redefines doom. Crushing, huge, massive, excruciatingly heavy. How these guys manage to downtune their guitars so low and still be able to play them baffles me - I thought my CD players were running slow! Just listen to the bass on the opener 'Return Trip' and you immediately know that this album has grooves so deep that you could hide Mount Everest in them. The barrage of sound that these three guys produce is almost tangible. One fuzzed-out, monumental riff follows the other, riffs so ball-crushing that your bass speakers beg for mercy - playing this at annoying loud volume caused two pictures to fall off the wall in my bedroom. The sources of inspiration are, of course, obvious - Black Sabbath, Cathedral, Hawkwind, Kyuss, and large amounts of top quality grass. This album is extremely difficult to find, but find it at all costs if you are into real doom and stoner rock. This has got to be the most fucked up album ever. 10/10.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Bob Calvert - Captain Lockheed And The Starfighters
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:04:32 -0400 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: chat Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980504100431.00779d14@maila.wm.edu>
>>Thursday, May 28 D: Open Music Chat The Rock (Or Special Room, TBA) 10-12pm EST Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci (Dream Theater) and Tony Levin (King Crimon, Peter Gabriel) to chat about their album Liquid Tension Experiment! >>
That my birthday! How cool is that? Maybe I can actually remember the date this time!
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