YTSEJAM Digest 3831
Today's Topics:
1) Hard rock on the jam (again)
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
2) Cincy show
by Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
3) Nuno... /tapping...
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
4) Ahhhh, do you want fries with that?
by AL <al@isd.net>
5) Deep Purple and Nelson/Winger
by Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
6) Re: Two-Handed Tapping Guitarists
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
7) Re: Steelheart
by "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
8) Music Theory - matching "scales - and I'm pissed
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
9) Bass stuff and the UK shows
by Andrew <Andrew.Unwin@durham.ac.uk>
10) Re: moaning women
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) Soulfly
by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
12) Even blind people should be able to spell. :)
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
13) Savatage!
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
14) Sound of ACOS
by christoph@ds.domino.de (Christoph Bauer)
15) JP's sound
by christoph@ds.domino.de (Christoph Bauer)
16) Birch Hill show
by Steve Godbout & Sonya Delisle <sgodbout@microtec.net>
17) Re: Legato
by George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk>
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 03:10:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hard rock on the jam (again)
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980503023731.49496A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Sat, 2 May 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any information on the band
> "Steelheart" .. where/are they popular?
Steelheart were/are a great band. They put out two killer albums, a
self-titled release that features "I'll Never Let You Go (Angel Eyes),"
which was their big MTV smash, and a second album called "Tangled In
Reins," which was much heavier and far superior to their debut. The
singer, Mike Matijevic can hit notes that can make dogs' ears perk up.
We're talking notes that even JLB must be going "Damn!" assuming he's
heard him. Both these albums are presumably out of print by now, but you
could probably pick them up at a local used CD store, if you have one near
you. Recently, a third Steelheart album has surfaced in Japan called
"Wait," though to my knowledge the only original member on that album is
the singer. Haven't heard it yet, but I'd like to.
---and---
> Australian six-string phenomenon named Brett Garsed (the latter would probably
> rather you forget that he was in *Nelson*, of all bands).
>
And he did a damn fine job in that band. I've said it before and I'll say
it again: Nelson have been given a bad rap. Catchy songwriting, excellent
harmonies, and yes, great musicianship. Not only was Garsed in the band,
but Bobby Rock was as well, who has gone on to form his own prog band.
IMO, Reb Beach and Rod Morgenstein were the only reasons Winger was ever
> halfway listenable;
I'll give you that, to a certain extent. Reb and Rob (and Paul Taylor)
saved a good portion of the Winger material. Winger were one of those
bands that had about three or four good songs on each album (most of which
became singles) and the rest was filler. It was during the filler that Reb
and Rob stepped up and flexed a little musical muscle to save the day. But
the songs that were good were damn good. "Madeline," "Seventeen," "Heading
For A Heartbreak," "Miles Away," Down Incognito," "Without The Night" are
all amazing.
which is a big, dumb brute of an MTV video song, all swaggering, macho
lyrics, singalong chorus and huge snare sound --
You mean a band actually had the audacity to write a song about sex? And
even worse, they wrote a chorus which actually sticks in your head? How
dare they! Next thing you're going to tell me is that they didn't wear all
black and actually had scantily-clad women in their videos. Thank God this
whole thing didn't catch on.
Richie
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 04:07:13 -0400
From: Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cincy show
Message-ID: <354C25B1.B08A49B2@pop3.utoledo.edu>
I was wondering if anyone else is going to the DT show at Annie's in
Cincinnatti on May 11th.
chris
NP- Limp Bizkit
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 01:20:25 PDT
From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Nuno... /tapping...
Message-ID: <19980503082027.19916.qmail@hotmail.com>
>>Nuno uses a very short delay on the intro to He-Man Woman Hater. >>So
he's actually only playing EVERYOTHER note that you hear. >>Just like
Petrucci does on the solo to Surrounded. The delay >>becomes more
obvious when Nuno...
>Sounds like he's doing the same thing on "No Respect" too.
>
>-Rob
>
No, he doesnīt. On the "No respect" solo he a strange thing between
muting and playing open strings. Is the same thing he does on the
"Peacemaker die" solo (one of the COOLEST solos of all times). I know
this because Iīve seen him doing that stuff live.
.........
> Any of you out there know of any other brilliant two-hand tappers
>besides Eddie Van Halen (who did NOT invent the technique, >contrary to
popular belief) and the aforementioned Stanley Jordan? >I'd mention the
likes of Michael Manring, Stuart Hamm and John >Alderete, but they're
*bass* players, and that's a whole other thread...
Iīm surprized that you didnīt mention Mr. Satriani, who has the most
brilliant tapping compositions ("Day at the beach" wold be an excellent
example, donīt ya think so?).
Ernesto
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 03:48:41 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: YTSE Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ahhhh, do you want fries with that?
Message-ID: <354C2F69.4F126876@isd.net>
Your going to love this! A friend went to the local Best Buy in
Woodbury MN. His intention was to acquire LTE. The douche bag
working the CD department told him they had sold out of it the first day
they arrived. My friend then asked him if they would be getting more
copies, the store employee then responded with *I dunno, it depends on
how well it sells* At that point my friend promptly exited the store saying
nothing. The brilliance that can be obtained at minimum wage is staggering!
PS. They only had one copy in the first place, and I purchased that one.
-- See ya, AL...Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 13:04:04 +0200 From: Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Deep Purple and Nelson/Winger Message-ID: <354C4F23.5FB@club-internet.fr>
The Deep Purple official bootleg is an official release from the show they did at the Olympia Theater in Paris on their second round of the Europe tour. I was there and it's a great show; the cds sound great too.
About Nelson, it is very nice to think that you need to be an amazing musician to make great songs. Unfortunately, it's almost never true. The Beatles were (are) great musicians but you would almost never see that showing up on their songs. I love Dream Theater (I wouldn't have subscribe to the list otherwise) but I also happen to love Nelson and Winger (who by the way is a very talented musician). Nelson's second album; "Because they can", and Winger's last, "Made by hand", are two fabulous album. You would not hurt youself by checking them out and maybe that would change your mind on thinking that great guitar playing makes a great album. It is very boring to my ears to listen to a guitar wanker who prefers to show off his talent rather than writing songs, (Dream Theater being about the only able to do both at the same time); But, if it's your idea of good music...
Fabrice
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 13:34:23 +0200 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Two-Handed Tapping Guitarists Message-ID: <354C563F.34897522@stones.com>
>and that's why I rank him as one of the top five >or six guitarists on the planet. (Hmm...Holdsworth, Vai, Morse, Petrucci, >Lane, Greg Howe and Helmerich...that sounds about right...) > Any of you out there know of any other brilliant two-hand tappers besides >Eddie Van Halen (who did NOT invent the technique, contrary to popular belief) >and the aforementioned Stanley Jordan? I'd mention the likes of Michael >Manring, Stuart Hamm and John Alderete, but they're *bass* players, and that's >a whole other thread... <grin>
Man, if u haven`t heard/seen the queen of guitar tapping Jennifer Batten, u haven`t seen anything :) I got to see her last year at her guitar clinic in Ljubljana/Slovenia and she totally blew my socks off. There are plenty of women who play guitar around, but Jennifer totally masters the instrument and her speciality are two hand tappings. Check her out, you won`t be disappointed. She`s got two CD`s out and they`r both very high on my recomendation list.
Mat
P.S. If u like her ALOT, I can send you a copy of her guitar clinic from Ljubljana that I videotaped myself...impressive stuff.
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 13:45:31 +0200 From: "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Steelheart Message-ID: <354C58DB.F44E3876@hm.telia.no>
Hello ! Yes, Steelheart released a rather successful debut in 1990 and it`s a great album if you`re into melodic heavy ala Firehouse/Heaven`s Edge. Their follow up didn`t reach the standard of the debut, but it`s a good album after all. Then they split and Mike released an album in Japan only under the name Steelheart. "Wait" is nothing like the two first albums. It has a more modern sound combnined with even some 70`s (Zeppelin) feeling to it. If you like the two first albums you will probably be dissapointed with "Wait". But if you`re a die hard fan of Mike`s voice, then i suggest you go buy the album. The songs are not as strong as on the debut, but there are some good songs on it though. I would say it`s an ok album, nothing more, nothing less. =20 I`d suggest you get their debut first because that`s a classic hard rock album. Bye, Bj=F8rnar, Norway !
=20 Robert Taylor wrote: >=20 > On Sat, 2 May 1998, Dan Abosso wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone has any information on the band > > "Steelheart" .. where/are they popular? >=20 > I'm not sure of the album sales or just how "popular" they were or > anything. Their first s/t album came out in 1990 with the hit single > "I'll Never Let You Go." That's where I first heard of them. Then the= ir > second album ("Tangled In Reins") came out in 1992. I gadn't heard > anything off of it before. Then the singer got seriously injured when > some lighting equipment fell on him during a show (so I've been told). > But he recovered and reformed the band (himself the only original membe= r). > The album is called "Wait" and I don't have it yet. That's because you > can only import it from Japan for $30 as far as I know. But I hear its > a good album. >=20 > Robert Taylor > rctaylor@uiuc.edu > http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 08:08:27 EDT From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Music Theory - matching "scales - and I'm pissed Message-ID: <38d30c13.354c5e3c@aol.com>
I read through a post that stated something to the effect of: Yeah - but Slayer playing an Eb minor scale over a E minor scale is just plain stupid, atleast the other guy (Jeff Hanneman) is making an effort to figure it out.
I just paged down through it, but it really started to gnaw away at me. And then tonight (this morning) I had an idea for a song. I usually analyze my songs, but always after (if I can help it - sometimes I recognize things before my mind is done writing and it can spoil the song because theory can really screw up an "inspired" composition).
So as I am analyzing my song I start to think, there is probably some dickhead out there who would look at this and say "it's all over the place - or he decided to use the chromatic scale - or he decided to use Eb Phrygian and mix it with Eb Aeolian because he uses the minor and major second". or even "doesn't this moron know that he established the key in Eb Phrygian and to throw in the major 2nd is 'against the rules'". The point is - to use theory to prove something is wrong IS WRONG.
True - the guy from Slayer may be an idiot playing notes that are just noise, or he may have applied the wrong scale, or he may have actually heard the solo in his head and just played what he heard in his head. I can't tell you - because I'm not him. I like some of Slayer's work. And I've met a bunch of people who just scream "Angel of Death". They love Slayer. And that is all that really matters.
There is nothing wrong with analyzing somebody's musical work - but to say it was written incorrectly is ridiculous. I feel into this pit trap when I was first learning Music Theory. But when you learn Music Theory from a Classical (or Jazz) perspective - you start to realize that even Bach and Mozart "broke the rules" and they are "tame" for orchestral composers. I definitely won't say Bach and Mozart are idiots that "couldn't follow the rules". Its the people who follow the rules that are the boring, and have nothing new to offer. If your musical mind is so eager to fit into music theory, you probably should wonder if you even have a musical mind.
You can use analyzation to grow. Definitely. But what I read was the opposite of growth and it irritated me. But I am sure I'll slip up somewhere in the near future and turn my "opinion" into a "forced fact" (probably did it a couple times just in this email) and show myself to be the hypocrite I am so proud to be. So I don't hold to much ill will towards the original poster. I can't even remember who it was :o)
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 13:47:08 +0100 From: Andrew <Andrew.Unwin@durham.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bass stuff and the UK shows Message-ID: <354C674C.4A99@smtphost.dur.ac.uk>
Point 1 - there is an interview in this month's Bassist magazine with John Myung and a transciption of Burning my Soul Point 2 - does anyone have a copy of the set list for the Manchester show and could they email it to me please. Point 3 - what does anyone think of posting DT concert photos on the WEB? -- Andrew Unwin http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d704dr 1st year MSci (Chemistry) Grey College, Durham University "You'll Never Walk Alone"
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 13:20:44 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: moaning women Message-ID: <01BD76A6.2A65B840@Sisko.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
If you wanna hear some moaning and groaning, get the new Tori Amos CD (From The Choirgirl Hotel)... Of course, it wouldn't have been a Tori Amos CD without the words suck and fucking either. ;-) Got it last Friday and haven't stopped listening to it... Also get both "Spark" singles if you can, because those have leftovers... So far, I've only found disc 1... Does anyone know if disc two is out already ?
Sorry, No DTC this time. Oh well, look in my sig for all the DTC you need. ;-)
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 05-03-1998
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 08:42:00 -0500 From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com> To: Ytsejam Digest <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Soulfly Message-ID: <354C7428.16AEEF2E@ix.netcom.com>
> Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:26:05 EDT > From: Htdmhd > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3826 > Message-ID: > > > Does anyone have the YNM radio single; and also, know of any other tracks > being released to radio? DT on Unplugged would be great, but the narrow- > mindedness of their staff would overshadow the whole concept. It might be a > challenge to get things to sound right acoustically (aside from Mike > practically having the night off), but it would DEFINITELY be worth a try! > NP: Soulfly S/T > so what do you think of the soulfly cd? i think it is better and has more drive to it than roots. now i just have to wait til sepultura's new cd, to see if max's leaving was a good thing or not
Mentally Yours, Justin James jsj@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 08:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Even blind people should be able to spell. :) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980503075743.5622B-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Yo yo mama, Actually, though I thank Rick for being sensative, I also thank Justin for pointing out something that hopefully will stick in my mind the next time I write about a s o l o. Man, you'd really like to think that, if you can make it through high school and onward into college, you'd have to be able to spell anything five letters or less. :) Oh well, if I only had a brain. So, thanks rick, but I deserve to be made fun of just as much as anyone. Be well. Matt B
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 11:40:14 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Savatage! Message-ID: <354C8FDE.32847D20@ameritech.net>
> However, I recently bought "The Wake of Magellan"(thanks to a Newbury Comics Gift > Certificate I won from the Music Ed Dept. raffle, which I also used to get DT's very > own WDaDU) and I think it is at least three times as good as DWD.
> Although, when I asked the same question after buying DWD, someone else recommended > "Edge of Thorns" which I still have yet to hear.
> Eric Paul LaRue
Eric,
Personally my favorite two Savatage albums are DWD and TWoM. Third would be "Handful of Rain" (another really awesome disc). "Edge of Thorns" is my fourth favorite (It's more straightforward metal, and isn't very classical like DWD and TWoM - still really good though). Those are the only four discs with the awesome Zak Stevens on vocals (five if you count the import "Japan Live '94" - which rules also).
The other CD's feature Jon Oliva on vocals, and I'm not too terribly fond of his singing (Sava-holics please don't flame me ;-D ). The only Jon disc I have is "Hall of the Mountain King", and I'd have to say it's OKAY. Although I have heard that "Streets" and "Gutter Ballet" are really good (evidently he sings some songs in a softer, less screeching voice on these discs).
If you like Christmas Eve - Sarajevo 12/24, you probably should pick up Trans-Siberian Orchestra's "Christmas Eve and Other Stories". This is Savatage's pseudonym (along with some other backup players) they use on this CD . It features CE-Sarajevo 12/24, and a whole bunch of other Christmas tunes which Savatage has made cool.
See ya, - Joe DeAngelo (tickets for Savatage 6-10-98 in Detroit) :-)
*************************************** "Then he asked a village peasant What do Russian hearts desire? He answered peace on earth, of course And a little 'Stolichnaya'" - from Trans-Siberian Orchestra's The Silent Nutcracker ***************************************
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Date: 03 May 1998 12:40:00 +0100 From: christoph@ds.domino.de (Christoph Bauer) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sound of ACOS Message-ID: <6t8PCnJykeB@christoph.ds.domino.de>
Hi Jammers!
Since I listened to ACOS the first time, I wondered why it sounds comletely different to all the other DT Stuff. Especially the Drums and the Guitars. Am I alone with this opinion? If I'm not, does anybody know whether they used other drums or amps or just settings? Or is it just the mix?
Ciao Christoph
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Date: 03 May 1998 12:52:00 +0100 From: christoph@ds.domino.de (Christoph Bauer) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: JP's sound Message-ID: <6t8PDFgTkeB@christoph.ds.domino.de>
Hi again!
Since DT's little European Tour December 97, I noticed that JP's sound had chanced. Compare the Sound of the Marquee to the sound of the Tour which is just over (in Europe). it's quite different. Does anybody know if his rack was modified? Is it still the one you can see at mesa's Homepage? Does anybody have newest settings if there are any?
Anybody know what guitar JP used foh HY on this tour? It was an accustic! And through which Amp? The life performance of this song was so great!
BTW: what is the retail price of the M/B Triaxis preamp in America ? I think about getting one. But in Germany you have to pay a lot for it. (about 4000 DM) But since I know M/B it won't be a lot cheaper in the US..?
Ciao Christoph
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 13:00:17 -0400 From: Steve Godbout & Sonya Delisle <sgodbout@microtec.net> To: gehrig4@seacoast.com Subject: Birch Hill show Message-ID: <354CA2A0.FA954015@microtec.net>
Greetings,
>Anyone know the deal with tickets for the May 7 show at the Birch Hill,
>I just checked the Ticketbastard site and they don't have it listed, >though they do have all other Birch hill shows listed. Can you just call >Ticketmaster?
I bought my tickets for the BH show from ticketbastards a week and a half ago by phone. But not many (in fact no one) on this list have confirmed their presence there so I'm starting to wonder if I wont be the only one there (along with my sweet other half) except for a few locals. Good luck!
Steve
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 18:23:25 +0100 (BST) From: George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Legato Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.95.980503182012.3193A-100000@merlin.ukc.ac.uk>
Answering the question about 'what is legato': at least, as far as the piano is concerned (I have only studied classical piano, I'm afraid), it's when a series of notes come out of the instrument so that they sound linked together. It is the opposite of the staccato, which is done by just lightly tapping a piano key so that the note sounds sharp and short in duration. On the piano, to play a legato you have to hit one piano key, then the next and remove your finger from the first piano key the moment you hit the second.
I suppose that the whole concept is similar for the guitar.
Hope this helps. George
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