YTSEJAM Digest 3826
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Hummm...
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
2) re: free EMPTY TREMOR promo tapes
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
3) Re: Kirk/Slayer
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
4) Re: ELP album
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
5) ProgEst, DT Unplugged?
by Derfelt <Derfelt@aol.com>
6) NYC ticket deal
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
7) Re: ELP album
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
8) Spock's Beard and others (Progfest'97)
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
9) ELP
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
10) Re: ELP album
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
11) Re: ELP album
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
12) Peter Hammill - the boot of the Moscow show
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3824
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
14) Re: DT stuff for sale
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3824
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
16) Re: ELP album
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl>
17) ELP album
by "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" <Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com>
18) Emerson Lake and Palmer
by Robert Linus Koehl <robertk@jove.acs.unt.edu>
19) Hedges
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
20) Re:MattB, Improving on TOT...not improv-ing
by JKorby1973 <JKorby1973@aol.com>
21) Petrucci video
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
22) Hi
by Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:26:32 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Hummm...
Message-ID: <199805011833.LAA25530@baygate.bayarea.net>
> To whom it may concern: I'm unsubscribing from this list.
>
> []s, Roger...
I hope you're kidding. You're one of the few people whose
posts I always read, because you almost always have something
worthwhile to say. If you're serious about this, then I hope you'll
at least come back soon.
Paul
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Paul Humm
humm@levy.com
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 21:10:27 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: free EMPTY TREMOR promo tapes
Message-ID: <354A9CB3.7E3B@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
>Im from Mexico and I got the tape just yesterday, it is great...I would like
>to thank danielle and the guys on empty tremor....
>the thing i dont get is why do they tape so many complete songs?
>they should tape one or 2 complete songs and then bits of the others...
>I know they want to get some exposure but I guess they would like to sell
>some albums too....
Well, I have the same opinion, but these guys are just TOO NICE ;-)
They will pay all the costs of making these tapes by their self, just to
present you their awesome music.
Don't forget that, as far as I know, there are still 3 kick ass songs on
APOCOLOKYNTOSYS which aren't on the demo tape.
>anyway, thanks for the tape, I'll get the CDs as soon as is distributed on
>the US.
It depens on MAGNA CARTA and if they will release it in America or not.
You can help Empty Tremor and send a good recomandation to Magna Carta and
request the realese of the album for North and South America.
Btw, the Fan Club site has been update with more ET news.
NP : Spock's Beard - The Kindness Of Strangers
Arash
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Date: Fri, 1 May 98 14:10:26 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Kirk/Slayer
Message-ID: <354a1e225605003@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <35498B70.8BA803D6@pop3.utoledo.edu>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
>
>
> The comments about Kirk's solos being handed to him by Cliff Burton were
> made by Dave Mustaine shortly after he was fired from Metallica. I have
> a feeling he said them to kinda get back at the guy who replaced him.
Well, I know (because I've heard boots of early stuff with Mustaine) that Kirk's
solos on Kill 'Em All were written by somebody else before he was in the band
(by Mustaine, I assume). It seems that Burton was the only one in the group who
knew shit from shinola, musically, so I'm inclined to believe that he wrote
Hammet's solos for Ride the Lightning/Master of Puppets.
-Brian
"Some things are expensive because people are passionate about them. Look at
guitars. People will pay thousands of dollars for them. But then look at Jolly
Ranchers. Nobody is passionate about Jolly Ranchers. Sure, they're good, but
nobody's gonna slam a $100 bill down on the counter for 'em. "
Coleridge on IRC Web: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hayd0029
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:52:49 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ELP album
Message-ID: <199805011952.PAA00949@me.cs.wm.edu>
> I'm looking for a good Emerson, Lake & Palmer album but since I've only
> gotten into them recently, I wouldn't know where to start. I've already
> got "Tarkus" and "Pictures at an Exhibition" which are awsome. Can anybody
> suggest which album to buy next?
Just about any ELP fan you'll ask will tell you to start with "Brain Salad
Surgery." It's got the full version of Karn Evil 9 (more than just the 5
minutes you hear on the radio), as well as some other ELP staples. (I forget
which now, since the CD is at home.)
Of course, you could do what I did. Get a Greatest Hits CD, and decide from
there which albums to pursue, based on what you like most. (BTW, after
getting the greatest hits, I got BSS next. :)
-d
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:27:30 EDT
From: Derfelt <Derfelt@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ProgEst, DT Unplugged?
Message-ID: <aa61d401.354a3034@aol.com>
I've been wondering for some time now...is that festival actually called
ProgEst, or is it a more reasonable "ProgFest?" What would a prog Est session
be like, anyway? Naziesque seminar administrators forcing instrumentalists to
overcome their playing difficulties? "Those aren't 32nd notes!! What the
fuck's wrong with you?" "No, you can't just play chords, ya pussy!" "You
call that a polyrhythm?" "That bass has two few strings, sonny." "That
keyboard's under regulation size, and it needs to be on a flying platform!"
(extremely feeble attempt at humor...those who know what Est is might get it)
On a more serious note...what if DT made a video for New Millennium, it became
a hit (which I think is very possible), and they did an MTV Unplugged special?
What songs would you want them to play? Why?
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 16:28:58 -0400
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NYC ticket deal
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980501162857.0073e2bc@maila.wm.edu>
Hey,
does anyone know what the status of tickets for the NYC show on the 8th is?
I was wondering if it would be advisable to buy tickets ahead of time, or
whether it would be risking too much to get them at the door.
Thanks!
Alex
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:01:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: ELP album
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980501170125.27741C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Trilog is another great album, but I would urge you to get brain salad
surgery. It is a must-have.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:08:05 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spock's Beard and others (Progfest'97) Message-ID: <v01540b01b16ff701b110@[205.134.227.221]>
Hi all,
To all Spock's Beard fans: If you want to see Spock's and others prog bands (John Wetton, The Flower Kings, Big Elf, Arena, Le Orme and Sinkadus) who played at Progfest'97 in LA, please go to
http://www.pangeamusic.com/ and click on "outer music"
You can order videos and cd's from Pangea. I'm going to order some for myself because I was at the show.
Have fun, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 17:10:57 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ELP Message-ID: <354A3A61.3F65CCBE@bdm.com>
> From: George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > > I'm looking for a good Emerson, Lake & Palmer album but since I've only > gotten into them recently, I wouldn't know where to start. I've already > got "Tarkus" and "Pictures at an Exhibition" which are awsome. Can anybody > suggest which album to buy next?
Well from what I've read on here, Brain Salad Surgery is suppose to be one of the ultimate progressive cds around.
since I've gotten a real computer here at work, one with a cdrom drive, I decided to go through my whole cd collection and bring 5-6 cds a day to work until I have listened to all 600+ of them... I'm currently at the D's so that means a lot of DT, Dokken, and Def Leppard...
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: ELP album Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980501141529.28343B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
I would suggest "Brain Salad Surgery". It's got a nice huge epic track (Karn Evil 9) and, while it does have one "throwaway" track (Benny the Bouncer -- ugh) it's got a good 40 minutes of music that kicks in the same way Tarkus (the song) does.
--Matt
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:37:44 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ELP album Message-ID: <v01540b00b16ffde04eba@[205.134.227.221]>
George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:
>I'm looking for a good Emerson, Lake & Palmer album but since I've only >gotten into them recently, I wouldn't know where to start. I've already >got "Tarkus" and "Pictures at an Exhibition" which are awsome. Can anybody >suggest which album to buy next?
Get - Ladies and Gentleman "Welcome Back my friends to the show that never ends". It IS a very good live album. (2 cd) - Triogy (this one has Hoedown) - Brian Salad Surgery (If I'm correct this one has Karn Evil 9) Albums from "Love Beach" until now are pretty commercial and boring.
Regards, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 01:42:21 +0400 From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Peter Hammill - the boot of the Moscow show Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980502014221.0090b580@messagebox.com>
I just got a boot of the Show Peter Hammill did in Moscow on March 17th here in Moscow - I wrote about it before. The quality is pretty good, it's only lacking the final song. If anyone is interested in trading, please, mail me.
cya, Pete ========================================================== The maintainer of the YtseJamCD Project site: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/Ytze mirror: http://tripod.members.com/~Pete339 Home: http://www.web4free.com/Bass_p IRC: Hammman ICQ:425-8962 ===========================================================
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Date: Fri, 1 May 98 16:03:58 -0700 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com>, <gt4@ukc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3824 Message-ID: <199805012307.QAA14798@network-services.uoregon.edu>
It was on 5/1/98 3:10 PM that A daily dose of Ytsejam... said:
>gotten into them recently, I wouldn't know where to start. I've already >got "Tarkus" and "Pictures at an Exhibition" which are awsome. Can anybody >suggest which album to buy next?
I would suggest pick up "Brain Salad Surgery" next, and after that, "Trilogy". These are both great albums. Then you might want to pick their self-titled album, and then move on to their later stuff.
Andrew
+-------------------------------------------+ Andrew Embler - aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ +-------------------------------------------+ Random Frank Zappa Quote: "I have a message to deliver to the cute people of the world...if you're cute or maybe you're beautiful...there's MORE OF US UGLY %!@#$! OUT THERE THAN YOU ARE!! So watch out.
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:07:57 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT stuff for sale Message-ID: <77cfc5a8.354a55ce@aol.com>
this should start some good flames...
Rocky
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:13:34 EDT From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3824 Message-ID: <dc458ce0.354a571f@aol.com>
Some guy asked:
<< So, I'm interested in the opinions of everybody (bassists, other musicians, non-musicians) on what makes a bass player good, and how, if at all, they may be compared. >>
I'm a guitarist and here is what I think makes a good bass player:
I write the bass parts and he plays them EXACTLY as I have written them. The only time he speaks is when I he has something better, but he/she knows when to back down when I am right - which is always. So lets leave it at he doesn't speak.
(The bass player doesn't have to be a he, you can read this with she in there if it helps you sleep at night)
And if a bass player shows me a pick, I'll show him (her) the door.
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:22:26 -0400 (CLT) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ELP album Message-ID: <199805012322.TAA10267@antonia.webhost.cl>
> >Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:54:06 +0100 (BST) >From: George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: ELP album >Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.95.980501135242.3285A-100000@merlin.ukc.ac.uk> > >Hi. > >I'm looking for a good Emerson, Lake & Palmer album but since I've only >gotten into them recently, I wouldn't know where to start. I've already >got "Tarkus" and "Pictures at an Exhibition" which are awsome. Can anybody >suggest which album to buy next?
Get _Trilogy_, then _Brain Salad Surgery_. I have heard good comments about the King Biscuit live album, but haven't heard it.
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:18:41 -0400 From: "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" <Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: "'gt4@ukc.ac.uk'" <gt4@ukc.ac.uk> Subject: ELP album Message-ID: <199805012324.TAA16618@thomas.ge.com>
QUOTE: >>I'm looking for a good Emerson, Lake & Palmer album but since I've only gotten into >>them recently, I wouldn't know where to start. I've already got "Tarkus" and "Pictures at >>an Exhibition" which are awesome. Can anybody suggest which album to buy next? "Brain Salad Surgery" is one of the all-time very very best progressive albums. The "ELP" self-titled first album is also highly recommended-lots of piano & Hammond organ; less synthesisers-this is from the early days of the Moog. "Trilogy" is also quite good, almost on a par with title piece from "Tarkus".
-Randall sent: 5/1/98 4:18 PM PDT email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com **"great is the forest, set by a small flame, like a tongue on fire, no one can tame" from 'Fire in the Hole' by Gary Cherone/Van Halen; see James 3:3-6**
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:37:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Linus Koehl <robertk@jove.acs.unt.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Emerson Lake and Palmer Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980501183031.14450A-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu>
On Fri, 1 May 1998, George Tryfonas <gt4@ukc.ac.uk> wrote
> I'm looking for a good Emerson, Lake & Palmer album but since I've only > gotten into them recently, I wouldn't know where to start. I've already > got "Tarkus" and "Pictures at an Exhibition" which are awsome. Can anybody > suggest which album to buy next?
Hi, I'm a die-hard ELP fan, and I'm glad you asked :):):) I've got the entire cataloge, and my opinion is that "Black Moon" and "Live at the Royal Albert Hall" are the best. Also great are "Works Volume One," and if you liked Tarkus, you'll love "Trilogy" and the self titled debut album. "Brain Salad Surgery" has some really cool moments, but drags here and there.
AVIOD "Works Volume 2" and "Love Beach" at all costs!!!!!!!! They royally suck.
Robert Koehl
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:47:43 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hedges Message-ID: <007001bd755b$8c45cba0$662746cf@micron.micron.net>
For all you Michael Hedges freaks out there, http://www.bignet.net/~divine/tab.html has about 50 Hedges songs transcribed.
woot
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 20:19:40 EDT From: JKorby1973 <JKorby1973@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:MattB, Improving on TOT...not improv-ing Message-ID: <161ae69e.354a66aa@aol.com>
> As for improvisational solowing in TOT, listen to the fan club CD. I >think that entire solow was rehearsed. If I'm wrong, I totally will chew >on my foot for a while, but I don't think Petrucci has the tallent to >totally improvise a solow like that. Comments? Wellness. >Matt B
I know Petrucci can improvise a solo, but you may be right- I'm not sure if can improvise a SOLOW. I've been playing for 13yrs, and still don't know how to play a SOLOW. Man, I must keep up on these new trends! What does it take to get good at SOLOWING? Ha ha ha. Man, am I one sarcastic SOB or what? Justin
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 20:48:30 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Petrucci video Message-ID: <354A6D5E.2FF867C2@ameritech.net>
A quick question.....
How much does the JP: Rock Discipline video go for? Somebody (at Guitar Center) told me $50 !?!?! Is that the going rate for instructional vids (that's what he said)?
Also, the video is for intermediate/ advanced players, right? I'm a total beginner, but thought it would be cool to get anyhow, but it wouldn't be worth it (to me) for $50.
Thanks, - Joe DeAngelo
Hey, has anybody ever noticed that James looks like a deer frozen in headlights on the cover of the Christmas CD? Just a thought......... (hey, we all take some bad pictures).
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 03:20:20 +0200 From: Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hi Message-ID: <354A74D4.7123@club-internet.fr>
Hi, I am new to the list and I am writing from France. I saw DT twice on their last European tour and they were amazing (Can you believe it?). The last date,in Bourges, James had a bad cold and only sang for half the show, but it just made you wonder if he can be bad someday. i thought I had to share that with you. On another matter: I have a copy of the cd "Scenes from a memory" but I don't have the explanation paper that should be inside, can anyone tell me where are the songs on that cd coming from. Also, I never understood where those numbered cds were coming from ( I only have two of them) as I don't think they are bootlegs. Can I also have some explaining on that matter? I hope new ones are still coming out. Fabrice
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