YTSEJAM Digest 3825
Today's Topics:
1) Bassists and Me.
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
2) Washington-area Jammers
by rpark@space-dye.com (Ryan Park)
3) elton
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
4) Bass Players
by Ivan Carvajal <usnavi@rocketmail.com>
5) Re: Fastest guitarist (new spin on a BAD thread)
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
6) Disappearing digests
by Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com>
7) FS: Japanese "Awake" w/ Eve Bonus Disc
by James Utz <james.utz@usa.net>
8) Music Street Journal 4
by Yes0001 <Yes0001@aol.com>
9) ? for whoever has the Rollins sig.....
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
10) bahr 'jam contributions
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
11) just plug the IV in...ahhh, much better...
by "Michael J. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
12) Peter "Mars" Cowling
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@aircell.com>
13) Re: Bass players
by Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
14) Image Beyond
by Awake77 <Awake77@aol.com>
15) Blipiblip
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
16) Re: JP video
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
17) Chicago Jammers Thang
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:02:04 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bassists and Me.
Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE51B6D64@HAMSXHA2>
D-Man wrote,
>So, I'm interested in the opinions of everybody (bassists, other musicians,
>non-musicians) on what makes a bass player good, and how, if at all, they
may
>be compared.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: it's called "Bass" for a reason.
So, in my opinion, a bass player who can hold the groove of a song (be that
song a James Brown Funk Jam or The Foo Fighters or Morbid Angel) is doing
his job. The trick here, though is that - just like in a normal 9-5 job -
you just don't want to 'do your job' - you want to rise to the occasion, so
to speak. So the challenge that every bass player has is to take the groove
of the song and keep it intact and then embellish what you're playing.
Simon Gallop of the Cure and John Taylor of Duran Duran are masters of this,
right off the top of my head, as is Geddy Lee. They'll take a basic beat and
do something totally different with it, making it sound their own, and yet
keeping with the spirit of the song (listen to 'Fascination St.' by the Cure
for an example of this, or 'New Moon on Monday' by Duran Duran).
>But, most importantly, I
>realized that I did not have to sit back and play quarter notes when the
>guitarist in my band wanted to wank. As a result, I realized why a guitar
>solo can sound so thin if the bass isn't supporting it, and, more
importantly,
>how to fill in the gaps.
Hear, hear. I've always been a fill-y player, trying to throw these little
melodic gaps in here and there throughout the song, be it trying to support
the guitarist or the vocalist. But one thing I've always wanted to try to do
is be tight with the drummer. I don't mean tight as in, "hit the bass every
time he hits the kick."
I mean tight as in, "Wow. Not even Ron Jeremy could fit in there, it's so
tight." A PERFECT example of this is the Dave Matthews Band. The drummer and
bass player are so tight it's not human. And that's the challenge that I've
given myself - to get to a point where the drummer and I aren't playing
separate parts, or even playing 'in the pocket' - but playing as one
distinct voice in a song that compliments every other part of the song
around us, while sounding distinctly separate.
It's easy in the studio. Doing it live in an improvised jam is a LOT harder.
And, of course, being in a band would help my situation.... :)
>I'll stop here, because I realize that this post is a classic finals-week
>avoidance technique (I think I'm going to go home and clean the bathroom
:).
>But I really am interested in what you find good, bad, intriguing, boring,
>tasteful, wanky, etc about bassists. Discuss. :)
I'm not even IN school, though! :)
Nicholas Giannotti
JointSTARS Contracts
giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
"Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool."
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 09:23:46 -0400
From: rpark@space-dye.com (Ryan Park)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Washington-area Jammers
Message-ID: <Version.32.19980501092159.00deb900@pop.circ.gwu.edu>
Hey guys,
I just lost my transportation to Baltimore for Tuesday night's concert...
Is anyone from Washington going to Daytona's on Tuesday? Would you be able
to do a HUGE favor and allow me to grab a ride with you? I don't have a
car, and I really don't want to pay $40+ to take the train and assorted
cabs...
Thanks in advance,
Ryan
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 09:44:50 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: elton
Message-ID: <01IWIJFEDP5I0001I2@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 1-MAY-1998 09:41:39
Merlo warbled:
>/me sings: Caaaaaaaaaan you feeeeeeel the loooooooooove
>toniiiiiiiiiiiiight?
Hey, you know what? Just for that song, if I *ever* see elton john in the
vicinity, and he's in striking distance, I *will* uppercut him so hard
his head'll come off, fatality style.
meltin' josh
............................................................
mailto: rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:35:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ivan Carvajal <usnavi@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bass Players
Message-ID: <19980501133552.22842.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com>
"The bassist in a band (to me) was exactly what D-Man
said: The guy who
stands off to the side playing quarter-notes
There's a couple of other players (Stu Hamm, Les
Claypool, John Myung) who do something suimilar, and
I enjoy them for the same reason. Not for huge solo
work, but for doing something "different" within a
band framework."
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I don't blame you for your opinion about bass
players, because that's what an "average" listener
would say; but for your conception about band
framework, and it's relation with bass... Try to take
and inside, more specific look at DT, and really
discover why John Myung is said to be the best in the
band... although they are ALL the greatest musicians
I have ever seen.
Anyway, TRY RUSH, what more different framework do
you need?
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fastest guitarist (new spin on a BAD thread)
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980501101512.27423A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Alan Estrada wrote:
>
> > What about Stanley Jordan? Does he count? I'd consider his playing the
> >fastest among contemporarys. He's not your basic picker, he plays the
> >guitar like a piano...all tapped.
>
> I just saw a concert of him on TV 2 days ago...I was amazed..he was playing
> with 2 guitars...on one he did only chords on the other he was paing like
> crazy, but is not standard tapping...is as you said piano playing....I've
> heard some of his albums and I was not amazed at all until I saw him.
> ---
Stanley Jordan is just amazing - I saw a special on him on PBS
a few years back, and he totally blew me away - and I'm not
even a guitarist.
Plus, he does a KILLER version of "Eleanor Rigby", with the
two guitar thing....unreal
-Al
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u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s
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HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:32:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Disappearing digests
Message-ID: <19980501143240.22829.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>
Hi
I have not received any digests since yesterday and number 3823
Has anyone else had this problem?
Could you email me privately if they are still going and forward the
digests to me if possible?
Simon
my band Cereal Killer-not that great really
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 09:37:50 -0500
From: James Utz <james.utz@usa.net>
To: Ytse Jam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FS: Japanese "Awake" w/ Eve Bonus Disc
Message-ID: <3549DE3E.B4C03467@usa.net>
Hi,
I put this up on Ebay last night. If you would
like this CD, you can use this link to see the item and
bid.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=12647168
I've got some other 80's metal singles for sale too. My
other items are listed here.
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Thanks,
James
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:04:34 EDT
From: Yes0001 <Yes0001@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Music Street Journal 4
Message-ID: <9c0a6116.3549e483@aol.com>
Music Street Journal 4 is up. In addition to the Dream Theater dates, this
issue features reviews of Tony Levin-From the Caves of the Iron Mountain,
Anubis Spire-Old Lions (In the World of Snarling Sheep), Ajalon-The Light At
the End of the Tunnel (includes an interview with Randy George), Lands End-
Natural Selection (includes comments about the tracks by drummer Mark
Lavallee), Fish-Internal Exile, Autumn Rest-Poems From the Fire, Fates
Warning-Parallels, Blue Oyster Cult-Heaven Forbid, and Hawkwind-Levitation.
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Arena/9250/
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:28:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ? for whoever has the Rollins sig.....
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980501112658.26605C-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
Sorry, but someone has a sig with a Rollins quote about
hope being the last thing before someone's defeated or
something like that. Can that person please e-mail me.
thanks,
Al
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b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m
u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:31:00 -0400
From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: bahr 'jam contributions
Message-ID: <199805011523.LAA07711@bertelsmanncis.com>
from mike bahr:
> So just so people know, my long-winded "meaty" posts to the Jam
have
>impacted my CD work exactly ZERO PERCENT. :) In fact, just now I have
to
>reach over and change the disc in Rand, my main machine, to the second
>of ten VS disc 2's it's tasked to make this afternoon.
i'm way behind on 'jams, so i might be about to read a whole shitstorm
of stuff about this, or maybe not. but frankly, to those people
complaining about mike writing long posts instead of making his boots or
whatever, to hell with you. i am enjoying the hell out of some of the
best threads i can remember in a long time; to that, i want to thank
mike. this is some of the best reading i've done in recent memory.
--MATt
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:00:15 -0400
From: "Michael J. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
To: "'Lifting Shadows Off A Ytse'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: just plug the IV in...ahhh, much better...
Message-ID: <01BD74F8.B46BFF90@MEMERSON>
greetings, fellow 'jammers!
as if seeing OFB 3 nights in a row on the first leg of the tour wasn't =
awesome enough, now i get the opportunity to do it again!
5/7 - Birch Hell
5/8 - Irving Plaza
5/9 - Electric Factory
WOOHOO!!!
i'm gonna be in heaven next weekend!
mikE
p.s.: a friend of mine says that his co-worker is...get this...Mike =
P.'s COUSIN!! how f**king awesome is that? and he (my friend, not his =
co-worker) is going with me to the Elec. Factory show, so we get to =
(hopefully) see if he was telling the truth...i'll let y'all know... -- =
m.
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"His final scene, the actor bows /
And all those years are gone somehow /
The crowd applauds, the curtain falls..."
Dream Theater - "Take Away My Pain"
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:00:28 -0600
From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@aircell.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Peter "Mars" Cowling
Message-ID: <001901bd751a$447ec4c0$30c926d1@subtropolis.AirCell.COM>
>One of my favorites, for the same reasons stated here, is Peter 'Mars'
>Cowling, who used to play with Pat Travers. He definitely introduced me to
>how much more a bass player could be, within the band framework. Anyone
else?
Wow...another person who was influenced by Mars Cowling. I love his early
work with Pat Travers, particularly the first PT album. The last time I saw
Mars, he was playing with PT in Tulsa (mid-80's). Although he looked older
than Keith Richards, he still had his chops. He made "Crash and Burn" sound
10X better than the album (I still love the beginning of that song!). Some
of Travers' best songs, though, were instrumentals such as "Prelude" and
"What you mean to me". I also enjoyed his "delay-abuse" album,
Radioactive...lots of great stuff! I really miss his old style of playing.
In the 90's he was signed to Blues Bureau, and now plays strictly blues
stuff, which isn't bad...it's just not the old PT I'm used to hearing. I am
glad that he's managed to stay alive in today's music scene...most musicians
from his era no longer play. Anyone know what ever happened to Pat Thrall,
one of PT's early guitarists?
Tom Baddley
"I've got demons inside my head! Gremlins with pickaxes, chopping my mind
into little tiny pieces"
Pat Travers - I Don't Want To Be Awake
"Wanna buy some Mandies, Bob?"
Frank Zappa - Flakes
Oh yeah...DT Rulez!!
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:15:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bass players
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980501121411.107252B-100000@archa16.cc.uga.edu>
Someone asked about what we consider "good" and "bad" concerning bass
players, so here's my take:
Good: CLIFF BURTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bad: He's dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Album Currently Playing: Dave Matthews Band--Before These Crowded Streets
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Matt Smith "When Dream and Day Unite, Images and Words
ktulu@arches.uga.edu Awake A Change of Seasons Falling Into
Infinity."
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:11:19 EDT
From: Awake77 <Awake77@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Image Beyond
Message-ID: <b685c458.354a0238@aol.com>
Hey
Anyone hear ever hear of the band Image Beyond? if got a demo of theirs
that a friend sent me. I really like their sound, and Id like to hear more,
but I dont know if their signed or anything. If someone here knows, please
email me.
Also, what happened to Power of Omens? Did they get signed? If they havent
they should! Are they comming out with more music soon?
-Chris
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:13:50 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Blipiblip
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980501101350.00697018@pop.cfmc.com>
>From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: guitarists
>
>Kerry King Sucks shit on lead guitar, he should stick to rhythm.
>the other guy used to suck, but atleast when SITA came out he decided to
learn
>a scale and play a solo in key.
>playing fast means ABSOLUTELY nothing when you don't have ANY idea what you
>are playing at all, like playing a fast run in Eb when the key is Eminor, and
>thats what all slayer guitar solos prior to SITA were.
>
>Rocky
>p.s. don't even think of flaming me for this, especially if you are a
drummer.
I'm not a drummer, I'm a bassist. And I don't really like Slayer all that
much (though "Seasons" is actually a great song). But isn't that the
point, more or less? I mean, a great deal of what Slayer pioneered with
their sound IS that dissonance. To have someone doing cool, advanced
playing harmonically...Alex Skolnik or something (within vaguely the same
genre, that is, I'm not beginning to suggest the guy is Hans Reichel or
George Van Eps)...isn't really what gives the band its sound.
>From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
>Subject: Enough guitar. What about bass?
>Message-ID: <199804302148.RAA31726@ren.cs.wm.edu>
>
>So, I'm interested in the opinions of everybody (bassists, other musicians,
>non-musicians) on what makes a bass player good, and how, if at all, they
may
>be compared.
Now THIS is a worthwhile topic to discuss...heh....
I'm gonna echo a lot of what our esteemed Mr. Merlo said previously, here,
I think...
Geddy Lee is The Man on bass for me. I was drawn to Rush fairly early on,
before I was really too far down the road, as far as being a bassist goes.
In fact, I liked Rush before I played bass, but they became THE band for me
a little after I took up the instrument. The thing that I really dig about
Geddy's role in the band is not necessarily just that he could flash and
play technically challenging lines -- there are a fair number of
bassists...and there WERE a fair number of bassists even in '74...who can
play technically challenging music -- but that, compositionally, he was
slotting interesting and melodic bass lines in the context of suprememly
emotional music. One of the things that bassists sometimes miss is that
rooted eighth notes are a really useful tool. But they're best used to
build tension in a line...to create a consistent propulsion that moves the
song toward a powerful end. But the way they're used in a lot of bands,
they end up being the static backdrop that something more interesting
happens on top of. Geddy was one of the guys (along with Squire,
Entwistle, Bruce, and a few others) who really libertated rock bass from
being the bass drum personified.
I've got a number of other role models, too. Jaco was so constantly
melodic and had the quickest musical mind, I think, of anyone who's picked
up the instrument. There was just a tremendous fluidity to his playing.
Steve Harris defined what it is to play dynamic bass for more aggressive
songs (that trademark gallop, among other things). Jeff Berlin plays some
incredibly dense, vertical lines and has probably the best right-hand
articulation in the history of the instrument. Stanley Clarke added a
greater sense of rhythm to high-technique bass playing, bringing with him a
tremendous amount of energy. Jack Bruce defined what it is to improvise at
full volume, with that glorious, ugly EB-3 sound. Chris Squire plays with
an assertive sound of his own, and plays with that tremendous confidence.
And Jamerson, of course, brought the instrument out of the closet (funny, I
didn't know it was gay...).
Five Gratuitous CD's:
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1. Blues Traveler: Four
2. Shawn Colvin: Cover Girl
3. Kyuss: Welcome to Sky Valley
4. Rush: Hold Your Fire
5. Lost Souls: Howlin' at the Moon
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:52:14 -0500
From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: JP video
Message-ID: <l03102801b16fbaa7a9a5@[128.83.128.136]>
I got the Video as soon as it came out, and I really like it. It has some
really good warmup exercises and practicing tips, and some good excercises
for building up speed and stamina. He's touched on some of the topics in
his Guitar World Column, but I think the video is definitely worth getting.
At the end of the video, as a bonus, JP gives a tour of his live
rig, which I really dug, being a Mesa/Boogie phreaque. He also does some
jamming, showing how to put the concepts together, etc, and it's really
awesome to get a good close up view of how fluidly his hands move. It's so
weird. His hands barely move, but all that lightning fast stuff comes out
of his amp.
Well, I gotta go finish packing; I'm finally moving out of the
dorm! Woo-Hoo!!!
James C. Shields
Undergraduate
University of Texas at Austin
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Man, I know, I've gotta go
It's the same thing every time
But I don't think another drink's
Gonna make me lose my mind.
So I think about my next drink
And it's you and me and the bottle makes three tonight
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:21:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chicago Jammers Thang
Message-ID: <199805011821.NAA24220@enteract.com>
Hey...
I mangled that script on the Chicago Jammers Page, so if you tried to
post and it wouldn't work, or you had posted correctly, yesterday, go
ahead and repost your info now. It should be working just fine. Sorry
about the waste of bandwidth!
http://www.prognosis.com/chicago
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