YTSEJAM Digest 3839
Today's Topics:
1) my final word on all this guitar stuff
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
2) Re: Detroit Show
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
3) Re: Doh!
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
4) Re: Doh!
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
5) An Request for a DRUMMER in the CT/NY area
by Wilson Layne Lowery <pnut@bu.edu>
6) Re: Doh!
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
7) Perfect pitch
by AL <al@isd.net>
8) Detroit Show
by "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net>
9) Kevin Moore
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
10) Re: Megadeth
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
11) Re:Load/ReLoad and hollowbodies
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
12) Re: hello
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
13) Re: Theory not important????
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3838
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3837
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
16) Re: Theory not important????
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
17) Hollow Years
by "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:05:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my final word on all this guitar stuff
Message-ID: <19985423136241@ix.netcom.com>
I just have one last thing to say about this whole guitarist dispute thingy, then I'll shut my big mouth. Play
for yourself. If people around you don't like it, fine. Just play what you think you should, and don't give a
crap about what anyone else thinks. If they like it, they'll come to you, if they don't, they'll go see someone
else. These were the words (well, not word for word) of John Mcglochlin (sp) in a recent Guitar Shop issue.
If you want to be "brutal" then go ahead, if you want to be fast and precise, go ahead, if you want to be
bluesy...well you get the idea.
Matt
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 23:11:18 -0400
From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Detroit Show
Message-ID: <354E8356.62BA@mtu.edu>
>Can all of us Detroit 'jammers work out to meet somewhere for the DT
>show?
How about the line? Thats where I'll be (hopefully first). I'm not
driving 8-10hrs to not get front row. Same goes for chicago the next
night.
Matt
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:11:33 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Doh!
Message-ID: <27efcef8.354e8366@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-04 22:42:51 EDT, you write:
<< Thank you Pat D., for being a bit more genuine.
Hey Chris, what does it feel like to be the smartest AND coolest person on
the
planet, huh?
Laters,
Kez >>
Yes, I AM responding to my own post. Please ignore this previous post. I was
wrong. Again. So shoot me. Please. First shot, MADS?
Kez, apologizing profusely for my temporary oversensitivity.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:35:52 EDT
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Doh!
Message-ID: <b880f206.354e891a@aol.com>
> Hey Chris, what does it feel like to be the smartest AND coolest person on
the
> planet, huh? >>
well, if it makes any difference, i think Chris is the smartest AND coolest
person on the planet, well, maybe next to Steve Vai... =]
Rocky
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 23:41:14 -0400
From: Wilson Layne Lowery <pnut@bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: An Request for a DRUMMER in the CT/NY area
Message-ID: <354E8A5A.A4834CC5@bu.edu>
-- Well I am moving to the Connecticut area for the summer and I have a
band lined up that is gonna rock. Infortunately we don't have a
drummer. We are going to record a CD starting the end of may. We would
very much like to have a drummer considering we will be a METAL band.
we have a few gigs lined up and possible opening slots for signed
bands. if you are a drummer or know of one that is GOOD, it would help
massively. If we don't find a drummer, our other guitarist will resort
to playing percussion and well, it will be interesting to say the
least. email me if you wanna hear more possibilities.
notice: this is not for META SECTION but for a completely different
project. Hope to hear from ya
- Layne
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Check out my new band META SECTION at
http://members.xoom.com/METASECTION/meta.htm It's a mix of
metal/industrial/progressive/rock. Check it out
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:46:16 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Doh!
Message-ID: <6a42c609.354e8b89@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-04 23:29:54 EDT, you write:
<< Wait... maybe you got mad at me because you really DO have stumpy
legs? In that case, I apologize. I could not have known I'd be
touching a nerve. >>
THAT'S RIGHT! Now you've made me cry.........WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
If anyone cares, I was wrong, and I know it, and I've already told MADS so
privately.
End of subject.
Kez
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 23:44:37 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: YTSE Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Perfect pitch
Message-ID: <354E9935.2E91A287@isd.net>
Does anyone know what a perfect pitch is?
A perfect pitch is when you throw an accordion into a dumpster,
and it lands on a banjo!
-- See ya, AL...Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 01:04:33 -0400 From: "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Detroit Show Message-ID: <199805050458.VAA16605@odin.ax.com>
I'm also going to the Detroit show. It'll be my first DT live experience. I can't wait. Unfortunately, I don't know any other people that are into DT. I'm dragging along my girlfriend to the show, and hopefully I can convert her into a true DT believer! BTW, does anyone know the setlist for the show? I hope they play some non-album stuff too. Does anyone have any directions to get to the show? I'll find out one way or another, but I'm wondering if anyone knows coming from I-96 from Grand Rapids. I gotta go out and buy LTE again, (If I can find it in the store) because my car stereo was stolen a month ago, and guess which CD was in it? Death Lord
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 00:08:16 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kevin Moore Message-ID: <199805050508.AAA160692@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
I always thought of Kevin Moore as a magician in a dungeons & dragons story, I dont know why but for me he has the look of a magician (of course this is long hair era)
yesterday I was watching the Images and Words live in tokyo video and the the ppv video, they are both jewels....Im only wishing that the band decides to release another video as the images and words or at least japannesse tv broadcasting another concert (I dont know why did I say japannesse, I should have said mexican...whatever)
what was derek's musical tuition? I dont think he studied on berklee, did he? I remember derek on wayne's world 1, whe is on alice's band, he had long hair...
another question...did kevin moore already relased his material? I havent even heard his demos, how do they sound like? --- Alan Estrada Adler Personal Site: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025 Cool Comics by a 13 year old: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/7460/ "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do your next." Monterrey, Mexico al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:59:52 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Megadeth Message-ID: <l03102802b1744a4b5d01@[128.83.204.152]>
>Well Jimmy, I think I get your point now. It seems like Megadeth should >pierce the shit out of their faces and play country and alternative >songs instead of getting better every album... >DAMN YOU'RE RIGHT!!!
first off, don't ever call me Jimmy again, or I'll do something really mean and nasty to your dog (like make it listen to Load/ReLoad all the way through)
Did I say they should change like metallica did? NO! but putting out a bunch of the same stuff album after album ain't all that cool, either. I will admit that I didn't give the whole album a real close listen, and I did kinda like the song that got played on the radio, but most of the stuff I heard was real generic. one riff was straigt from kill 'em all (and don't go off about mustaine being in metallica all those years ago, everyone knows that already). now, if megadeth went a different direction (say Fear Factory or even DT-esque), that would have been really cool. I really dig some of megadeth's stuff (although you have to admit that Cyclotron was pretty stupid), but straight-ahead metal isn't much my thing anymore, especially if it sounds regurgitated like what i heard on Cryptic Writings. maybe I was a little harsh since it ain't my thang no more, but I still really get off to kick ass heavy guitar or just plain cool guitar, and I didn't hear much on Cryptic writings.
James C. Shields Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Spread before you is your soul So forever hold the dreams within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace I'm Learning to Live "Learning to Live" Dream Theater =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:46:55 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:Load/ReLoad and hollowbodies Message-ID: <l03102800b174467074fd@[128.83.204.152]>
>And am I the only one who found it amusing >that after saying how glad he was that Metallica is changing James followed >it up by saying he was going to a Metallica concert because he wanted to >hear their old stuff? Anyhow I think I'll give Metallica one more shot >before I give up on them.
Yeah, because the old stuff is good. BUT, if they had put out five master of puppets or Ride the Lightnings, it would start to get old. Up till load/Reload, I liked hearing the progression of their music from album to album. I'm glad they changed a bit each album, i just don't like this new twist.
>Actually Load and Reload are more or less one album. They were >recorded in the same session, and rather than releasing a double album they >split it up and released two seperate albums. I don't know why, maybe >there was more money it for them or something. Like the general says in Dr >Strangelove, I don't think it's quite fair to condemn the whole program >because of a single slip up.
I made a similar point in a personal email i got about Megadeth. I'm not totally condemning Metallica, but I am disappointed in L/RL. but like you, I'm willing to give metallica one more chance (they were my unqestionably favorite band for about three years, after all)
on to another topic... I'm putting together a swing band along the lines of Big Bad Voodoo Daddy (from the movie Swingers) and the Brian Setzer Orchestra, and i'm interested in getting a hollowbody guitar, preferably with a Bigsby trem. Right now I'm running my SG into my roommate's Peavy Classic 50 (he's going to be the singer w/o guitar duties in this band) which sounds pretty damn nice, but it's not quite there. If any of you have played with hollowbodies and can give me some advice, drop me a line. Thanks!
James C. Shields Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Man, I know, I've gotta go It's the same thing every time But I don't think another drink's Gonna make me lose my mind.
So I think about my next drink And it's you and me and the bottle makes three tonight
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 00:09:37 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: hello Message-ID: <l03102803b1744f779494@[128.83.204.152]>
>Date: Mon, 4 May 98 21:37:41 CST >From: a@a.com >To: <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Hello >Message-ID: <48354313_42166198> > > > ><a href="http://www.cybererotica.com/ad/cybererotica.cgi/fc_210"> > Click here for even more!!!!</a> > > > >Sign Up Free For One Week!!! > > >------------------------------
Yippee!!!!!!!
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 01:19:43 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Theory not important???? Message-ID: <354EAF7F.2A37@bellsouth.net>
>I don't know music rules, because there >is no such thing. Nobody knows ALL of music theory because there are varying >schools of theory. So I know theory, and I know I don't know all of music >theory. So I guess no one can break the rules, because no one knows all the >rules. Good RULE. I'd hate to live in your musical world. And guess what? >I can go off hitting any string on the guitar because it FEELS right and think >there is nothing wrong with it. Music theory is there to help you, not limit >you. I'm sure there are many musicians we all listen to who don't know music >theory but are amazingly musical. Music THEORY. THEORY. THEORY. Get it? >Music can stand alone without theory. Music THEORY can't stand along without >music. So to say Music Theory comes before Music, ROTFLMAO. I am not saying >you should AVOID theory. I'm just saying you shouldn't use theory to control >your musical ideas. Technique is more important than theory. Technique can >limit what you want to play. Lack of knowledge of Music Theory can't. And >without music in your head, technique and theory are worthless - unless you >want to be in a cover band or be a non-writing member. I can't imagine >somebody wanting to play a musical instrument but not want to write music.
My friend, I hate to jump on a fellow jammer's ass, but almost everything you said is total idiocy. You say you don't see anybody wanting to play music they don't write??? Don't tell that to the many classical or jazz musicians out there(though jazz musicians create as they play other's songs) There is alot to be said for being able to take someone else's music and putting your own interpretation into it. And, technique and theory are NEVER useless in true MUSIC. OH yeah, a band of crap like Prodigy can say that, because they are not true artists of music, they are entertainers. My definition of music(not saying that this is the almighty word of God) is this: an art form in which different sounds are produced in a comprehensive blend of melody, harmony, rhythm and form. While style is one thing, technique and theory is a totally different thing. One cannot appropriately express his or her style without having the ability to do it. When you look at great musicians, what do they have in common?? They all KNOW THEORY. They use that as the basis of what they are doing. Do we consider rappers to be great musicians?? hell no, or at least i hope not, very few of them know much, if anything, about MUSIC, they know how to entertain, and know how to write words, but that's about it... Much of what Adam said I agree with, but I also think this, that once a musician hits a certain level of excellence, they cannot really be compared as "who's better," for instance take Terry Bozzio and Dave Weckl, both are highly gifted and amazing drummers, but they both have a great technique, but also have extremely different styles, and each should be taken as that... Musicians don't have to be university trained either, but they do need to know their shit, you mention Vai, Petrucci, and Portnoy, as musicians who never graduated, that's true, but I'm sure they still know and respect the idea of music theory. You say that music came before rules, well, that may be true, if you're talking about ancient tribal music, but, Western music as it has become is based around certain tonal principles that should never be forgotten, and someone who wants to learn about music needs to learn these principles before thinking they are any kind of "musician"
Sorry for my ramblings, but I get really peeved at the idea that music should be just some thrown together mess, that's why I'm into more progressive metal and jazz, because most of them know what they're doing, if you want no rules, or think that "anything goes," then go pick up the latest #1 CD or some other shit that some popular band comes out with. There's some simplicity for you, where the guys think they can pluck anything that "feels good"
-- Geaux Tigers!!!! http://www.angelfire.com/la/qryche/index.html "I Know If I Try, I'll Get Where I'm Going/ Keeping My Eyes On the Sky" -"Some People Fly" by Queensryche
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 03:01:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3838 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980505025035.43818A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 4 May 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Richie, the 80s dude wrote: > >But did we really have to hear "Mean Streets?" > > Man, are you nuts?! I've been waiting to hear VH play Mean Streets (or any > other obscure older material) for many years! And I was psyched to see > Eddie rip through all those ass-kicking guitar lines with such fury.
I understand that a die-hard DLR-era fan of the band would want to hear that. And if I was at the show, I wouldn't mind sitting through it. I was just upset that they chose it air on the MTV show instead of something I like better, which more often than not will come from the Van Hagar era. Just an opinion. Personally, it has never been one of my favorite DLR-era songs. I would have much rather heard them do "Dance The Night Away" or "Feel Your Love Tonight," both of which they are apparently playing on this tour as well. It's just a personal preference. > > I think they focused more on the DLR-era material because they weren't able > to do much of it with Sammy at the helm, and because so many fans have been > dying to hear it.
I respect that. But they're basically doing to the Van Hagar stuff what they did to the DLR stuff when Sammy was in the band. I just wish they could strike a happy medium. Of course you can't please everybody. > PS - No offense to Richie, I just happen to be in serious disagreement with > his statement.
No offense taken. That's while people join e-mail lists: to hear different opinions/thoughts on a topic loved by both parties. Disagree away...
Richie "the 80s guy" Rivera
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 03:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3837 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980505030204.43818B-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 4 May 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> The courts guidelines are only used if there is a dispute within the band. > Otherwise - the band can do whatever they want. Now if the writing team was > listed as Ptacek-D man-Syrinx, then the court view that as a 33 1/3% split > UNLESS the band has a legal document stating other wise.
Damn, someone beat me to this. I've got start checking my e-mail earlier. Just to clarify: it's my understanding that if the writing credits plainly list Ptacek-D man- Syrinx, then you're right: each gets a third. But if the credits are more specific, such as "Music: Ptacek, Syrinx" and "Lyrics: D-man" then things change since the automatic default of the courts is 50% for the music and 50% for the lyrics. Thus, barring any internal agreement to the contrary, Ptacek and Syrinx would have to split the 50% music credit (25% a piece) and D-man gets to keep his full 50%. > As far as the Van Halen equal division concept - that is the other extreme. It > was made to EASE BAND TENSION but it also ADDS band tension by having Eddie > think "I'm tire of that fat piece a crap drinking Jack Daniels and not > contributing one note sharing in the profits". The best way to do it is on a > song by song basis. Yeah - it can get to business like - but it will help > from egos raging and feelings being hurt later on.
It depends on what type of band you're in. If you're in Phish, then it probably is fair to say that each band member is contributing more or less equally. But since I'm not Trey, nor do I ever want to be anything close to Trey, I'm just talking out of my ass. The song-to-song basis is the most rational approach, but it has a tendency to leave a member or two in the dust while the main writer(s) speeds away in a new sports car. Okay, that rarely happens. But you get my point. One way to make the playing field more level is that if you're going to do the song-to-song basis, give the non-writers in the band a little bit bigger percentage of the merchandising. That way everybody gets to drive away in a new sports car (yeah, right). Some people advocate giving the non-writers a bigger cut from live performances, but I don't think that's fair since everybody busts their ass during a show. But it's been done before.
comes up with the initial spark for the song is AUTOMATICALLY > entitled to 51% of the writing credits because that is the hardest part. I > don't care if it is one riff - it is the first riff then 51%.
That's a little rough, don't you think? Sure, they're providing the creative springboard, but haven't you been in situations where you present something to a band and by the end of the session your initial idea has changed keys, changed time signatures, changed tempos, etc? Then really how much of what you end up with is your own idea? I'm not saying your 51% idea is wrong or bad, it's not the way I would do things.
And I give credit when a drummer comes up with his > drum part because the drummer always gets screwed.
Now THAT'S the way I would do things. But then again I'm a bit biased.
Richie
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 03:45:22 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Theory not important???? Message-ID: <79001646.354ec393@aol.com>
I must say i agree with Kevin mostly, but in some points i do agree with the other guy.. i mean, in early american blues music, there were slaves playing music.. they obviously had no training, they had to play music from their heats and souls. the style that they were playing had a unique sound "then", it's also the basis for most music we hear today. BUT they what they played sounded melodic, had some FORM to it, not just mindless wanking on any note that your finger touches. they did a lot of experimenting to form other variations like jazz (which i love), but even as wild as some jazz can be, they always fallow some music basis. As far as slayer goes, and bands like that, the songs are cool, heavy, but the guitar solos, atleast the older guitar solos were so noisey, and horrible sounding i could never stand it.. some people will say that that was the point of the music, i don't think so, because when the one guy decided to learn to play guitar on the SITA CD he actually tried to stay in key, and not sound horrible, BUT he kept his unique stlye of wanking, it's just more in key now, and not a screaming Eb over an E5 chord. Also, i agree with the other dude, who origionally posted saying "I can't imagine somebody wanting to play a musical instrument but not want to write music." i know people who are great at an instrument, but completely suck musically, they just have no want at all to write any form of music, they just play whatever they are told, or whatever cover is popular, that to me is just wasted talent. Kevin i think you probably misunderstood him, i don't think he was saying that he can't imagine someone wanting to play something that they didn't write, i think he was more saying never writing your own music.
bleh, Rocky
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:01 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hollow Years Message-ID: <199805050801.3I4a@memo-smtp.sto.sema.se>
--- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46(0)670-16060 98-05-05 10.01
-> ytsejam(a)ax.com
Hello!
I know the subject have been discussed here before, but I can't remember. So if you have the answer, email me PRIVATLY.
What songs are there on the "Hollow Years" six track mini from Japan?. Are there any new songs?
Thanks,
Greger Ronnqvist Email: greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se http://hem2.passagen.se/jihas
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 3839 **************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 18:08:57 EST