YTSEJAM Digest 3838
Today's Topics:
1) Detroit show
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
2) Guitarists? Bassists? Feh!
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
3) Birch Hill
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
4) VH song selection
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
5) Re: ELP album
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
6) in my defence
by Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
7) slashing Metallica
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com>
8) Foes of Anal Leakage Unite! (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
9) Randy Rhodes
by newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb)
10) ROTFLMAO
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
11) Re: ROTFLMAO
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
12) mfp award
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
13) Re: Doh!
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
14) Re: Maritime Hall gig
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3837
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
16) Re: Doh!
by someone@enteract.com
17) Hello
by a@a.com
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:56:16 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
To: kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu, YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Detroit show
Message-ID: <354E478F.26EDA622@ameritech.net>
> As for some DTC, who all is going to the Detroit show? Later.
Me!
8 days and counting to Dream Theater! (*grin* *grin* *grin*)
15 days to Van Halen! (lower bowl, row J tix..... I hope that means
10th row)
37 days to Savatage! (I'm not obsessed or anything) ;-D
LIFE IS GOOD!
Can all of us Detroit 'jammers work out to meet somewhere for the DT
show?
That would be great, especially since I don't really know any big DT
fans (around here, I mean) ..... for example, I'm going with someone
who's ONLY HEARD about 4 tracks off FII from DT - and nothing else!
(I'll change that in a hurry though!)
Thanks,
- Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:07:51 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Guitarists? Bassists? Feh!
Message-ID: <01BD7776.CDE33DF0.aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
EVERYONE knows that the only musicians worth a damn ar kazoo players. The
rest of us are just wankers who can't handle the pressure of true musical
expression.
~Chris
(Anyone wanna start a progressive-metal all kazoo band?)
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:14:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Birch Hill
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980504191031.23180A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, since I can't seem to find anybody who is willing to drive my ass to
birch hill on 5/7, let me throw it out to you. Anyone living in the area
and going to either the BH or the Irving plaza show, who wouldn't mind
having a bit of company, please get in touch with me. No, I haven't bought
tickets yet, due to a lack of credit card, but if one wants to purchase a
ticket for me and I will give them money on the night of the show,t that
can work. Just think, all of you people who are just dying to meet me, (I
know that there's somebody), here's your chance. OK, since that may not
work, try this on for size.
Please, please, please, somebody, anybody, going to either of the local
NJ/NY shows, take me along with you. Why would you want to disappoint the
only blind ytsejammer you know of? This is a guy who did everything he
could for DT's exposure, playing them on alternative radio, (so what it
was college, we had more than five miles of coverage), risking his kneck
to get his favorite band discovered by an audience. If I had the means, I
wouldn't be gbegging. But, I can't drive, and I can't even get out to get
the tix. I am not asking anybody to go out of their way, hell, I will even
put some gas in your car and pay tolls if I have to. Cut me a break. I
know there is somebody out there reading this, and maybe shedding a tear
somewhere. Please, help me!!! (sob, cry, weep uncontrolably).
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980------------------------------
Date: 04 May 98 13:58:20 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VH song selection Message-ID: <199805042316.QAA02816@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Richie, the 80s dude wrote: >But did we really have to hear "Mean Streets?"
Man, are you nuts?! I've been waiting to hear VH play Mean Streets (or any other obscure older material) for many years! And I was psyched to see Eddie rip through all those ass-kicking guitar lines with such fury.
I was actually disappointed that they played "Panama", "Ain't Talkin Bout Love", etc, since they have played those at almost every show for the past 12 years.
I think they focused more on the DLR-era material because they weren't able to do much of it with Sammy at the helm, and because so many fans have been dying to hear it. They're playing "Romeo Delight" on this tour - these lesser known (but intense and totally unique) songs are the essence of early VH. I simply cannot wait to see this live..
Gary did a mighty fine job on vocals, covering songs from all three eras - the video and sound quality were also top-notch. Does anybody know if the entire show will ever be commercially available?
Counting the days until DT in SF...
-Neil.
PS - No offense to Richie, I just happen to be in serious disagreement with his statement.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:24:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: ELP album Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980504192354.23180B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I think Benny the bouncer is a cute song.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 01:33:16 +0200 From: Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr> To: dream theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: in my defence Message-ID: <354E503C.6A@club-internet.fr>
Hi, I guess I have to apologize. My only defense would be that it was 4 in the morning when I read Jeff's message and that I wrote back. Fabrice
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 19:38:22 -0400 From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: slashing Metallica Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980504190728.007e9e80@mail.geocities.com>
>>What are you talking about?! Megadeth sucks hardcore! Cryptic >>Writings or whatever the new one is called is so regressive! I felt >like >>I was back in 1985 when my friend put it one my stereo (the suck >>part of '85, mind you). >>It's like Mustaine just stood up and and shouted "Yep, we're doing >>the same old shit as always, you can count on us just like you can >>with AC/DC" Well..
I am once again calling for deep and intense flames, but oh well.. If a band makes great music (imho, alltho I only have cryptic writings) what is the point in changing?
Let's put it this way.. Changes are good... some times. Example: Pantera.. I bought Vulgar Display of Power first.. and ended up buying every one of their cd's one by one & little by little If I had bought great southern trendkill first, I would never have bought them all, mainly because I really don't like it too well..
Some times it is like I can't get enough of one album, and then I hate the next, silently cursing every singe one of the bandmembers, wishing they had stayed the same..
As for Dream theater, I ended up buying Awake first.. Loved it.. And got all of their cd's (uhmm.. almost) now..
Guess changes can be both good and bad..
Haje Jan +----------------+ / Haje Jan Kamps / +-------------------+----------------+ / http://home.sol.no/~lrovers/haje/ / +------------------------------------+ I'm through just getting by Countless times a friend has told me Watch out for the wave Now it seems the sea will be my grave And still you swim to save me Even though the water is much colder now
Dream Theater: Don`t look past me
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 19:49:42 -0400 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Foes of Anal Leakage Unite! (NDTC) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980504234942.0068f8a4@pop.pipeline.com>
Does anyone have the new Page/Plant? I want to buy it, but I don't trust it... Someone, do a review!
CD of the Day: Primal Fear - Primal Fear
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
First Round of the Playoffs vs. Phoenix Coyotes Detroit Wins 4-2
Second Round, vs. St. Louis or Colorado
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:45:49 -0500 From: newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Randy Rhodes Message-ID: <19980505001106070.AAA208@newcombr.netdot.com>
I forget who wrote that Randy Rhodes did not write much of the music with Ozzy but this is totally untrue. Try looking in the credits before you post stuff like this :)
Thorin
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:31:24 EDT From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ROTFLMAO Message-ID: <63c7b554.354e5ddd@aol.com>
In response to Adam Cook:
Adam - "In my mind, music should not only have some sort of artistic value, but most of all it should be listenable."
Well, you can't argue what is listenable. I can't listen to Univers Zero - but I've heard a lot of people on the jam that love them. You can argue whether someone is sloppy or has poor technique - but listenable? If anyone had the answers to what is listenable and what isn't and therefore what should be music and what shouldn't, their CD collection would be the entire catalog of music. So my point was that the MI teacher was commenting on my style and not my technique. If he said I was sloppy or even hinted that I could have tried other ideas - I would have had no problem. But he just said my whole style was too "brutal". Well if he got the fact that I played brutal, and I wanted to play something "brutal" - then I'd say I didn't have a problem expressing myself. He got it, he just didn't accept it.
Adam - "meaning things that sound like there is some logic behind them, before you can go off breaking all the rules"
So everytime I meet someone I have to play something "accepted" to prove that when I play something "out there" they can say to themselves "Well he is playing 'out there' but he knows he is 'out there' so it is okay". That is the dumbest logic I have ever heard. You don't have to know the rules before you can break them. You have to know the rules before you "know" you are breaking the rules. Music came before rules. And the fact that you call them rules is laughable. It is "Music Theory" not "Music Rules". You do know the difference don't you?
Adam in reference to my playing 'out there' - "This is pure garbage. You have to know the rules before you can break them. You can't just go off hitting any strings on the guitar because it FEELS right and you think there's nothing wrong with it. That's bullshit and unmusical."
First - how do you know I don't know music theory? When I said I can't explain it, I didn't mean I can't explain what I am doing THEORY wise. If you really know THEORY, theory can explain just about anything you do. As far as my statement " I can't really explain it" I was referring to my style. I don't think it is revolutionary. I just think that trying to put things into words sometimes loses the actual idea. I don't know music rules, because there is no such thing. Nobody knows ALL of music theory because there are varying schools of theory. So I know theory, and I know I don't know all of music theory. So I guess no one can break the rules, because no one knows all the rules. Good RULE. I'd hate to live in your musical world. And guess what? I can go off hitting any string on the guitar because it FEELS right and think there is nothing wrong with it. Music theory is there to help you, not limit you. I'm sure there are many musicians we all listen to who don't know music theory but are amazingly musical. Music THEORY. THEORY. THEORY. Get it? Music can stand alone without theory. Music THEORY can't stand along without music. So to say Music Theory comes before Music, ROTFLMAO. I am not saying you should AVOID theory. I'm just saying you shouldn't use theory to control your musical ideas. Technique is more important than theory. Technique can limit what you want to play. Lack of knowledge of Music Theory can't. And without music in your head, technique and theory are worthless - unless you want to be in a cover band or be a non-writing member. I can't imagine somebody wanting to play a musical instrument but not want to write music.
Adam states - "I'm also sure that it's bullshit that EVERY other teacher and student would tell you how cool you were. Believe it or not you have some fuckin FAULTS and if you were smart you would try to improve on them instead of ignoring any opinion of your playing that you don't like. "
Where did you get the idea that I thought I was perfect? I said people liked my style. I have a problem with someone telling you your style is wrong. If he wanted to give me hints on some melodic ideas, I would have taken them. But he just said my style was wrong. That isn't teaching. What can I learn from that? And I am glad that your comprehension led you to the conclusion that I ignore any opinion of my playing that I don't like. I recall talking about economy vs. alternate picking a month ago here and I don't alternate pick. But I never said economy picking was better. I said that after trying both methods, economy picking was better for ME. I think if anyone should look at themselves - it should be you. You should really look at what music theory really is. You suggest it is a rule, it isn't.
Adam continues - "But unforunately, the best way to do that is to play many types of music and be versatile, and MI is not going to do that for you. "
So you have been to MI? It probably is more "rock" oriented, but it is not rock exclusive. Not by a long shot. You learn because you want to, not because you are forced to. If you are forced to learn something you don't want to learn, odds are you haven't learned anything. You could exchange MI in your quote with any school name. It is the player that makes the difference. Some people think MI is a joke, some people think Berklee is a joke. Those people are so CLOSE MINDED that they probaby will never get that far in life. And I'm glad you think the object in rock is to get a record contract. That is the business side of music. It has nothing to do with how good you are. And I suppose if you don't play rock, you don't want a record contract. Why would the connection of record contract-rock be any more significant to you than record contract-jazz? But I guess if you go to Berklee, they hand out a record contract with your degree? Hello, Steve Vai - didn't graduate. John Petrucci - didn't graduate. Mike Portnoy - didn't graduate. Reb Beach - didn't graduate.
Somebody asked about Berklee and MI. I could only speak on my experience at MI. I believe I even ended by saying Berklee may actually be the better music school, but I don't know. I have never attended Berklee. And just so you know, the summer course isn't going to Berklee. That is not even close to the Berklee experience.
And I'm sure someone will have someone come up to themand say that you are "strident, dissonant, too melodic, boring, brutal, wimpy". If their statement is an opinion without any reason, what can you possibly learn from them. And not everyone can always teach you something. Some people just have opinions, but they really don't have anything else.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 98 19:42:28 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ROTFLMAO Message-ID: <354e60703fde002@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Mon, 4 May 1998 17:44:41 -0700 (PDT) from Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>:
> You don't have to know the rules before > you can break them. You have to know the rules before you "know" you are > breaking the rules. Music came before rules. And the fact that you call > them rules is laughable. It is "Music Theory" not "Music Rules". You do > know the difference don't you?
I have to say, I sort of agree with this. While I wouldn't recommend purposefully avoiding theory, it seems from my personal experience that one can come up with some interesting things if you don't have all those 'rules' clouding your mind. Of course, if you know some theory behind harmonies and such it can make writing much easier. :) Trial-and-error will only get you so far, but it can get you to some fairly interesting 'so fars.'
But hey, that's only my opinion, and my guitar playing sucks. :)
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 21:05:28 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mfp award Message-ID: <01IWNE1OP5PU000H2K@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 4-MAY-1998 21:01:05
>What is the prize for MFP anway? I hope its a CD-R cause I really need >one
well, it depends, but in most cases, the most frequent poster award involves a 200 pound german woman named helga, waiting on your doorstep with latex gloves and a full body cavity search warrant.
josh
............................................................ mailto: rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:31:53 EDT From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: someone@enteract.com Subject: Re: Doh! Message-ID: <13a7ca47.354e6c0b@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-04 18:56:10 EDT, you write:
<< > This is a sincere question, and I would appreciate genuine responses. Just > want a couple of sigs, and pictures, if possible, with the guys. Thank you > for your kind consideration, and please be nice to others. :~) Oh. In that case, just wait out in front before the show, and when they walk by, ask if they have a moment, or may a little later. Then you can beg and plead to be allowed to watch the soundcheck, and if you beg and plead some more, and they're in an extraordinarily good mood, you may get in to the aftershow, if there is one. If that fails, wait out somewhere between the doors to the club, and the tour bus, and scream "Mike PORTNOY! YO! PORTNOY!!!!!" when you see him walk by, and hope he doesn't run like a freak to the bus, faster than your stumpy legs will carry you.>>
Thanks, Chris. I'll remember NEVER to ask any sincere advice from you. I just thought that I would try to learn from some more experienced 'Jammers. Forgive me for trying to be mature and do things the right way....................Asshole :~P
Thank you Pat D., for being a bit more genuine.
Hey Chris, what does it feel like to be the smartest AND coolest person on the planet, huh?
Laters, Kez
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:31:53 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Maritime Hall gig Message-ID: <354E6C09.13AE@pacbell.net>
James Bennett wrote: > > To all, > > Anyone else going to the SF show at Maritime Hall? > > I feel so alone.......contact me if you r going also > > James
James,
Hi! There are many of us going to the show in SF. If you haven't been contacted already, please contact Dave and Kim Thomas as they are organizing a pre-show event!
there ya go!
See ya there! --
Coldfire GalleryMistress@dreamt.org ICQ: 4656934 http://www.dreamt.org/coldfire The Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List galleryofshadows@coollist.com Gallery of Shadows http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows/
"Fly where your dreams go...." - Crystalline Dream, Shadow Gallery
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:45:56 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3837 Message-ID: <199854214215241@ix.netcom.com>
>False. Absofalsilutely. You can use fingers as fast and sometimes >faster than people can pick.
I know I've only seen DT twice (I got into them when FII came out) but as much as I can remember, John Myung never used a pick at all. And another thing on the speed issue...playing as fast as you can isn't necissarily a good thing. Playing what is right for the moment is what should be done. If the moment calls for a slow bluesy thing, then you should do just that. Just listen to Petrucci. He doesnt just play 100 mph on every song, there are certain songs where he doesn't play fast at all, but the solos can be better than any super fast passage (for example, his duet with Jordan Rudess on LTE).
Matt
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:32:15 +0000 From: someone@enteract.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Doh! Message-ID: <199805050227.VAA22785@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> Oh. In that case, just wait out in front before the show, and when > they walk by, ask if they have a moment, or may a little later. Then > you can beg and plead to be allowed to watch the soundcheck, and if > you beg and plead some more, and they're in an extraordinarily good > mood, you may get in to the aftershow, if there is one. > If that fails, wait out somewhere between the doors to the club, and > the tour bus, and scream "Mike PORTNOY! YO! PORTNOY!!!!!" when you > see him walk by, and hope he doesn't run like a freak to the bus, > faster than your stumpy legs will carry you.>>
I'll leave this in, just so everyone can see why I got flamed. I'm a bad, bad person. I should be shunned. I should be flogged. Wait... maybe you got mad at me because you really DO have stumpy legs? In that case, I apologize. I could not have known I'd be touching a nerve.
> Thanks, Chris. I'll remember NEVER to ask any sincere advice from you. I > just thought that I would try to learn from some more experienced 'Jammers. > Forgive me for trying to be mature and do things the right > way....................Asshole :~P
YOU'RE mature? I made a joke, at no one's expense, while basically explaining EXACTLY what people generally do to SUCCESSFULLY meet the band, and you call me an asshole. Go back and reread what's quoted above. Explain how that's immature, or mean spiritied. Maybe you're just trying to usurp my crown as "the smartest AND coolest person on the planet" by throwing stones at me. If you can't handle sarcasm, you're on the wrong list. > Hey Chris, what does it feel like to be the smartest AND coolest person on the > planet, huh?
Damn. You cut me. Right in the cold darkness that is my cobweb filled heart. It really hurt. Why don't you tell me what it's like to be the most original and creative person on the planet? You bore me.
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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