YTSEJAM Digest 3858
Today's Topics:
1) rick James
by Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
2) right on
by Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
3) Re: right on
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
4) con? my ass! (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
5) how i got into dt...not
by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
6) Re: Club Gigs.
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
7) Re: right on
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) Re: Daytonazzz....
by PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
9) The Next Steve Vai
by EVO V <EVOV@aol.com>
10) Monday's show
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
11) playin with that organ....
by PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
12) YTSEDrinking Game
by EVO V <EVOV@aol.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3854
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 01:37:24 +0200
From: Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
To: dream theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: rick James
Message-ID: <355245B4.135@club-internet.fr>
Rick James did Superfreak
Curtis Mayfield did Superfly.....Check out the new double cd version of
that soundtrack, you won't regret it.
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 01:44:38 +0200
From: Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr>
To: dream theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: right on
Message-ID: <35524766.1137@club-internet.fr>
You are completely right, I wonder what I am doing on this list.
Therefore take me out of it.
Most of you should just think about how annoying and pretentious you are
and not just you, digital big head.
I love DT and I thought getting on this list was a great mean to have
news on the band or at least talk about bands related to Dream Theater,
like some of you do.
Instead you are filling my computer with crap and senseless talk since
noone will ever change their mind with your "precious" advices.
Fabrice
Please don't even answer.
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:11:32 -0400
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: right on
Message-ID: <199805080011.UAA02436@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> You are completely right, I wonder what I am doing on this list.
> Therefore take me out of it.
*sigh*
% echo "unsubscribe ytsejam" | mail -s "asdf" ytsejam-request@ax.com
> Most of you should just think about how annoying and pretentious you are
> and not just you, digital big head.
Is it annoying and pretentious to suggest that we discuss music, of all
things, on a music list? Would you rather discuss James' hair color? Believe
me, anything you want to find out about the band, you'll find here. We cover
it all. The problem, for those of you (Fabrice) who seem to have been
demand-fed as babies, is that we don't discuss it all at once. Not every
digest is going to be filled with Fabrice's Favorite Topics. You know why?
Cause this isn't the FabriceJam. There are over a thousand people on this
list. And you know what? WE ALL LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS. That's why this list
is so cool. Say it with me now. "Diversity." There ya go.
> I love DT and I thought getting on this list was a great mean to have
> news on the band or at least talk about bands related to Dream Theater,
> like some of you do.
Then talk about what you want to talk about! Bitching that you don't like
something doesn't change dick. All it does is clutter our inboxes with your
whining. You want to talk about bands related to Dream Theater? Go.
Guaranteed it'll start a thread.
You want to bitch about the content? Go. Guaranteed it'll start a thread.
Which one would you rather read?
> Instead you are filling my computer with crap and senseless talk since
> noone will ever change their mind with your "precious" advices.
No, we're not. We're not filling your computer with anything. We're
discussing what is important to us, and that is music. If you want to
contribute a topic for debate or discussion, then fucking do it. But stop
whining.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. This is *our* mailing list. The
content is up to *us*. Us means you and me. Vous et moi. You are as
responsible for what goes on here as any of us. If the topics being discussed
don't please you, then you're not pulling your weight, Piggy. This is our
island.
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:25:38 -0400
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: con? my ass! (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980508002538.0071f204@pop.pipeline.com>
Adam "The cow escaped out the" Barnhart dribbled:
>See above. Consonant is the opposite of dissonant.
Funny, I thought the opposite was assonant ;-)
CD of the Day, from an elitist perspective, naturally:
Stratovarius - Visions of Europe
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
First Round of the Playoffs vs. Phoenix Coyotes
Detroit Wins 4-2
Second Round, vs. St. Louis Blues
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:07:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: how i got into dt...not
Message-ID: <19980508000705.21522.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>
> > That's all for now Jimmy. ;)
> >
> >Ernesto
>
> OK, ernie, now I'm going to do bad things to your butthole!
>
huh? did i even say that?
in any case, please leave my butthole alone:)
> While everyone else is duking it out on the other side of this, I'll
just
> get on with my little battle with Ernesto (okay, picking on people
with
> finals forthcoming is cruel, but slaving for The Man isn't a whole lot
> better [I'm compiling at the moment])....
>
I have to say it's great to finally find someone to discuss all this
stuff. I've been reading a lot, and coming up with my own theories,
but in the end, you dont really learn anything until you start talking
about it...and you seem to know your shit:)
> "(He) did something revolutionary by being convervative" is an
interesting
> phrase. It isn't entirely wrong, in that not changing a paradigm of
change
well, yes, the whole thing is paradoxical, but even though he
definitely was a revolutionary, he considered himself a conservative
(as far as i've been informed)
> Nothing has been proved about music at all? Music DOESN'T
communicate to
> us?
I'll admit I kinda contradicted myself there. You're right, there are
things that have been proven...
> 1) We don't know the totality of the story of the introduction of
music to
> human society. Anthropologists have looked at great length into the
> proto-musics that existed long ago, but a need to organize sound
predates
> recorded history, hence we're not likely to have meaningful answer.
Right
> now, the oldest music we know about in detail is the Dies Irae,
which only
> traces back to the Dark Ages. There are several indications in human
> record, of course, that indicate the presence of music millenia
before that.
>
Correct me if i'm wrong, but hasnt Japanese traditional music, which
has remained virtually unchanged over the years, been around for
longer than that? (I'm really asking you to correct me, beacause i'm
not sure...no sarcasm intended)
> 2) Its purpose in society in manifold. It IS entertainment AND an
art form.
>
> 3) If you don't know how the expression of individuals helps society
as a
> whole, you're going to fail your final, Ernesto.
>
It went quite well, thank you:P The thing is, ever since i was born,
i was told how great art for society is. But nobody's ever told me
why, and i've thought about it, and couldn't come up with an answer.
Art for a certain era, will definetely help us understand that era
better. But then again, i've noticed that i'm kinda peculiar, in that
the only art i really care about is music. I'm not a very visual guy,
i dont care about architecture or painting. But I've noticed most
people find it very interesting...maybe thats why i'm missing something.
And as far as music goes, i can say it's definitely been great for me,
but if i had never heard music, would i miss it? Do i really need it,
or is it just a drug as Stravinsky said? I'm just questioning what
i've been spoonfed and havent come up with an answer yet.
> 4) As has been suggested in the other debate going on here, one's
listening
> experience has quite a lot to do with the ways that we experience
certain
> sonic characteristics emotionally. To narrow, in the western world,
we
> associate minor seconds with discord, minor thirds with melancholy,
broadly
> speaking (context can, of course, change this radically). There are
> acoustic reasons for these selections, but it's the conjuncture of
nuture
> and nature that brings us what we feel when we hear various musics.
>
Fair enough, but there's still that mystery behind it you know? You
can say we associate this with that, but in the end, why i'm reacting
so deeply to sound? Why dont i get chills when i'm looking at a
painting? Or are there people who do get chills from paintings?
> 5) That, of course, is a speculative issue. A lot of people would
argue
> music is pre-cognitive. I'm not sure it may not be super-cognitive.
It's
> an interesting area of inquiry, that much is for sure.
>
Yeah i was starting to go off in a tangent there. :)
>
> > And there are certain things that we know about sonic
> >> qualities -- a minor second is a dissonant interval, an octave is a
> >> consonant interval.
> >
> >A minor second is *more* dissonant than and octave. I'm sure you
know
> >the whole 'perfect fifth's used to be considered dissonant' schtick.
>
> See above. Consonant is the opposite of dissonant.
>
There are people that see it entirely as 'degrees of dissoance'.
Since it seems, as time passes by, we start seeing dissonant intervals
as consonant, or less dissonant.
> This is an evolutionary trait. Loud noises get our attention. You
may
> tune out a constant sound of loud noise and in silence, a soft hum
may get
> your attention.
agreed
> Well, insofar as Sociology, Anthropology, and History are Social
Sciences,
> sure, I AM talking about scientific data. But the reason the Social
> Sciences are my life's work is because they have meaningful things
to say
> about the things that are most meaningful to us, cognitively and
> affectively. The minutiae of why "Lines in the Sand" affects you
the way
minutiae? Whoah, I'm a music student for crying out loud, speak in a
language i can understand:)
> It's a disservice to science and the humanities not to let them
intersect
> and give us information where they can. There's quite enough
mystery in
> the world...I rather like the idea that there are things that I can
have
> some knowledge of.
>
I'm not saying you have to throw science out the window. As far as i
can tell, that's the only way we're ever going to understand these
things.
read somewhere that to Iranians (in
> >the 70's, i dont know about now) all western music sounds the same.
> >Disco, rock, classical. It all sounded similar and lacked variety.
>
> That has to do with what they're attenuated to as listeners. I'm
sure you
> know that already. That there are a number of views on music
doesn't mean
> that music is ultimately unknowable.
But that's exactly what I'm getting at. They're obviously looking for
something else in music than our culture is...maybe their music has
something that our's doesn't and vice versa. Maybe we're all pushing
to an 'ideal music'. Ok, i'm starting to get philosophical here...
But I'm not a believer in cultural
> relativism, nor am I a believer in musical relativism. Like the other
> Adam, I believe in the development of hierarchies. There aren't an
awful
> lot of people here (I can't imagine there's ANYONE here) who don't
have
> likes and dislikes, musically. We can argue all day about what their
> compostion is, could be, and should be, but to argue that they don't
exist
> is absurd.
>
I really dont see where this came from, because that's not what i was
talking about. Of course everybody has their likes and dislikes; you
cant argue with that. But you cant ever say that one music is better
than another, just because of its complexity, or beacuse of our
preconcieved notions of what music 'should be'
> >about it? I sometimes get frustrated of music schools because they
> >teach everything to you as if it were the only way. The never tell
> >you "This is just the way Western Europe looked at music, want to a
> >try another way? "
>
One thing, i forgot to type 'some' befor 'music schools'...obviously
there are schools that offer the possibility.
In any case. my point is this....ALthough we know a lot about our
reactions to music, and what it does in our society...we still don't
know for sure what it is and what it's for. THere's this sound, and
it's making me react a certain ways. People make tons of money out of
music (sadly, most are not musicians) Right now its mostly
entertainment and art....but in all cultures, music has at sometime
been associated with spiritual rituals and events...maybe there's some
connection there...maybe at some time we missed the boat, and are
using music 'the wrong way'...if there is such a thing.
I'm gonna have limited access to computers for a while, so dont be
surprised if i reply in 2 weeks:)
later,
Ernesto
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:07:15 EDT
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Club Gigs.
Message-ID: <70747c2d.35525ac4@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-07 13:59:45 EDT, you write:
<< I'm not a big guy. I don't
want to pick a fight OR get sucked into one, but if someone goes too far
<and I do NOT have a short fuse by any means> I am going to go down
swinging. I'm glad to say that those who pissed me off at that gig are
going to be sore a few days longer than I am. >>
hey man, i was there with 4 of my friends 2 of which could kick some major
ass, so we got your back if anything went down =]
we'll all be at the PA show too, with 1 extra ass kicker, but we're going up
in the balcony for this show.
Rocky
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:09:35 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: right on
Message-ID: <199805080109.SAA20593@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before proofreading..., Fabrice "HazeX II" Dray said:
>
>You are completely right, I wonder what I am doing on this list.
>Therefore take me out of it.
>Most of you should just think about how annoying and pretentious you are
>and not just you, digital big head.
Sometimes I wonder, is HazeX just the same guy, that resubbs from multiple
addresses and comes on here to fart away?
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Daytonazzz.... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980507210319.9412A-100000@rac2.wam.umd.edu>
from out of the shadows kez whispered:
>Left out back around 2:15(MP was still there), then went to Denny's with >Steve, Ryan, and Lerxt.
<delurk> yes!!! i'm officially referenced in the jam. i've hit the big time. what's up, kez? thanx again for the denny's, but uh,
you bore me. :)
>Agreed, though I liked the changes that were made in the set from the >previous >leg, INCLUDING Anna Lee. I just like this song, and was glad to here it >live. word. it was kjlb's birthday, he wrote it, let him sing it. imho it sounded great.
>Not going to happen, according to MP. The band had a choice between >Daytona's >and Jaxx for May 5th, and Jaxx was the smallest venue that they played on >the >last U.S. leg, so they wanted to try someplace different. apparently the keyboard/bass tech had something to do with the decision. i'm not gonna brag to anyone about how I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< WAS LET IN THE CLUB AT 1PM, GOT TO SET UP THE STAGE, MET MAGEE AND ALL THE TECHS, DROVE VINNIE'S RENTAL (PLYMOUTH BREEZE) BACK TO BWI AIRPORT, GOT TO SET UP THE DRESSING ROOM, WATCHED DEREK WARM UP FOR TWO HOURS, GOT TO TALK TO MP AND JP BEFORE THE SHOW, SAW THE SOUNDCHECK, GOT FREE FOOD, AUTOGRAPHS, ETC ETC ETC
:) :) (true story) , but i was talking to him during set up and he said that jaxx was his least favorite place because he thought the stage was tiny. he didn't want dt to go back there. i think that's because the club decided to move the PA cabs as close to the center of the stage as possible, for some reason....
btw, who was that DORK trying to get his rickenbacker autographed after the show?
</delurk>
- il -- Trek|RockShox|Shimano|Continental|Specialized|White Bros. /\/ \ /\ /\ /\/ \/\ \/\/ __o / \/\/ /\ / / / \/ / _'\<,_ / \/ / ..... \ .. (*)/'(*).. .. -- Pakkrat studio site: http://www.ee.umd.edu/~lerxst/pakkrat "serving your synthesis needs"
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:22:21 EDT From: EVO V <EVOV@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Next Steve Vai Message-ID: <304dd9a0.35525e4e@aol.com>
Ok, I'll explain the tag ONCE, and ONLY once. You've got no clue how many times I'm bothered with this thing, its insane. I started using it on message boards about 9 months ago as something as a goal for my playing, like in so many years, I will achieve Vai's playing skills, or so I hope. Its nothing like, "I'm as good as Vai" or "I'm so good I'm going to be Vai", its just a little tag I've used to make a goal for my playing, and its a joke at school as well. There-that was it, that will be the only time I explain it, next time someone asks about it, they'll get a nice kind ‹^› Fuck You ‹^› and that'll be the end of it. See ya all lata Andy D The Next Steve Vai
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:43:02 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Monday's show Message-ID: <v01530502b17821170f4f@[209.50.99.27]>
>>I'm going to see DT live next monday and I was wondering if anyone had a >>complete listing, in order, of their current set?
Hey Greg, That would be the show at Annies, corrrect? Matt (another ytsejammer) and I will be there as well. Anyone else? Is there a gathering planned?
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:26:26 -0400 (EDT) From: PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: playin with that organ.... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980507212108.9412B-100000@rac2.wam.umd.edu>
for the synth-etically minded out there, derek has switched from the dual-manual korg BX-3 to the new wunderkid single-manual roland VK-7 as his organ of choice. i personally liked the former. for some reason, the leslies really sounded dead with this one, imho.... he's also sporting a new korg TR-rack (as if 2 trinity's aren't enough already).
- il -- Trek|RockShox|Shimano|Continental|Specialized|White Bros. /\/ \ /\ /\ /\/ \/\ \/\/ __o / \/\/ /\ / / / \/ / _'\<,_ / \/ / ..... \ .. (*)/'(*).. .. -- Pakkrat studio site: http://www.ee.umd.edu/~lerxst/pakkrat "serving your synthesis needs"
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:27:42 EDT From: EVO V <EVOV@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEDrinking Game Message-ID: <fc28b3a1.35525f8f@aol.com>
I'm sorta scared to play this game because I know if I do, I'll be throroughly SLOSHED OFF MY ASS by the time I was done reading the first mail. Man, its insane. Its like the Guitar chats I go into, if we arent talking about sex, we're arguing about who sucks and who is God and whatnot. I'm still kinda getting used to everything, so gimme some time before I can start making wiseass cracks on everything. See ya all lata. Andy D The Next Steve Vai
Hey Bafu, any relation to Steve?
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:53:06 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3854 Message-ID: <199857214933541@ix.netcom.com>
>>(..or in other words, you can play as fast as you want, with infinite complexity but if is does not "fit" into the song musically it is redundant.)<<
yeah, but speed isn't the most important thing. There are plenty of great Prog guitarists that don't shred (Dave Gilmour, Steve Hackett (at least not on any of the stuff Genesis did), Robert Fripp, and Steve Howe) although speed is a nice touch if used correctly. I DONT like guys who aer all speed and no emotion (Satriani and the type). If you can get a good blend of speed and emotion (Petrucci), thats the playing I really like.
Matt
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