YTSEJAM Digest 3863
Today's Topics:
1) How I got into DT
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
2) Re: Am I an asshole?
by Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov>
3) Under a Glass Hootie?
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
4) Review: Into the Great Unknown OANR
by newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb)
5) Grrrrr
by someone@enteract.com
6) Charlie D. and --- MDND
by Christian Morency <anakinsolo@geocities.com>
7) Re: Another Random Post
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
8) Current warm-up band for DT?
by ujonegr@psf220.lexis-nexis.com (Greg Jones)
9) <yawn> How I got into DT...
by Wesley H Foll <gs01whf@panther.Gsu.EDU>
10) Why so much debate!?!?
by Wesley H Foll <gs01whf@panther.Gsu.EDU>
11) Ms. Coldfire
by Lisa Marie <jessie@dreamt.org>
12) respect
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
13) Re: Another Random Post
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) DT in Brazil
by "Nilton da Silva Júnior" <a9415530@mbox.ccs.ufsc.br>
15) Re: Another Random Post
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
16) bum
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
17) is playing technical of emotional or both?
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
18) Is DT selling out?
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:22:34 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: How I got into DT
Message-ID: <01BD7AAF.611B81A0@MARK>
Here's my story in a nutshell... In 1989 a friend of mine made
me a tape of WDADU. They've been my favourite band ever since,
along with Marillion. A coupla months after I "discovered" DT,
I read in a Dutch progrock magazine that Dominici was asked to
leave and that DT lost their record deal. I kinda assumed that
was the end of DT. I didn't even know they were still together
until IAW was released !
And now I'm running a Dream Theater website, that gets between
700 and 800 visits a day. :-)
The End.
____
Policastro Cosimo asked :
> (where are you from Lisa??)
Heaven. :-)
Fabrice Dray asked :
> Hey "digital man", how old are you?
You can look it up on the Ytsejam birthday calendar at :
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm
Mark Bredius
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Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
* http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 05-07-1998
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Date: 08 May 1998 13:00:46 -0400
From: Ivan Navarro <Ivan.Navarro@noaa.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Am I an asshole?
Message-ID: <00B5435533A3E021*/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=GOV+NOAA/o=CCNWS/s=Navarro/g=Ivan/@MHS>
>Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 16:14:27 +0200
>From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the
>illusion of integrity...
>Message-ID: <35531342.B61792D6@algonet.se>
>
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>I'm forwarding here a short email conversation I have had with Mike
>Portnoy around two weeks ago. You be the judge: is DT losing its
>musical integrity in search for money? Am I an asshole since I didn't
>grovel before mike and because I don't worship the ground he walks
>upon?
I think they've changed only as far as a great band's evolution and in the
process may become more accesible to a larger audience. What's wrong with
that? FII is an awsome album by my measure. Do you want them to be another
Boston? As for Rush, I was a huge Rush fan and still listen to them a lot,
but frankly I just don't listen to anything made after "Moving Pictures."
To me, Rush lost their integrity - IMO. (flame away!)
I hope OFB's audience grows and they sell more records -> make more money.
As MP said, it means they'll be able to make more music - key point. If
they "sell-out" I'll stop buying records. (Although I am now being a
hypocrit 'cause I have every Rush album even though I don't listen to the
new ones much, I guess I'm always hoping the next one will WOW me the way
they used to - another subject.)
YES, I think your were being an asshole for persisting with the same line
of questioning. I OBJECT - You're badgering the witness!
YES, I think you're a major asshole for posting private emails. Although I
enjoyed reading MP's thoughts, it's still a very uncool violation of
netiquett!
I'm glad to see MP took the high road and didn't put you in your place
himself (I think this forum will do it in a violent and entertaining way).
It's amazing to me that he continued to reply to you as often as he did!
I'm going to sit back and really enjoy this thread! Thanks for providing a
subject for discussion.
I-Man
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:06:54 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Under a Glass Hootie?
Message-ID: <88728e15.35533baf@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-08 08:34:45 EDT, you write:
<< Tying this in to music, let me play devil's advocate. Could a DT fan,
objectively criticize "Hootie and the Blowfish" upon the basis that
their music is too simple? And couldn't this allegation be objectively
proven? Now this doesn't mean that someone is ignorant if they like
"Hootie" for they may agree that Hootie is simple music but respond
that they don't want to listen to complex music. The simple music of
Hootie moves them more than DT's complexity. >>
I get enjoyment from both Hootie and DT. What's wrong me? Am I conflicted?
Am I insane? Who cares.
Just listen and enjoy.
But, man am I learning a lot!
Kez
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:59:27 -0500
From: newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Review: Into the Great Unknown OANR
Message-ID: <19980508172506982.AAB108@newcombr.netdot.com>
I just got my introduction CD from Open All Night Records called "Into the
Great Unknown." All of the tracks are great and sound great. There are
two DT tracks UAGM and PS. They are amazing. This CD is well worth
getting! ! ! Plus it is not priced out of this world, $10. Here is a list
of the tracks listed.
Dream Theater --Under A Glass Moon
Dream Theater --Peruvian Skies
Megadeth --Angry Again
Megadeth --Mechanix
Savatage --The Wake of Magellan
Savatage --Dead Winter Dead
Paradise Lost --Disappear
Paradise Lost --Ember Fire
Vanden Plas --Rainmaker
Vanden Plas --Father (acoustic version)
Gamma Ray --Valley Of The Kings
Hammerfall --Dragon Lies Bleeding
Royal Hunt --Stranded (acoustic version)
Besides LTE, this is the best CD I have gotten this year! Go order it.
You won't regret it.
Thorin
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:16:00 +0000
From: someone@enteract.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Grrrrr
Message-ID: <199805081710.MAA09125@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: "Michael J. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
Sounds like you've got a winner for "The most kick ass time on The
FII tour" so far. :)
> > I'm forwarding here a short email conversation I have had with Mike
> > Portnoy around two weeks ago. You be the judge: is DT losing its
> > musical integrity in search for money? Am I an asshole since I didn't
> > grovel before mike and because I don't worship the ground he walks
> > upon?
I didn't get 3860, but this is all I need to see, for my own
purposes.
Okay... you are entitled to your opinion of their music. But so is
Mike entitled to his, and so is each member of this list entitled to
his/hers. My own opinion is that if this were a sell out, they'd
have lost LaBrie for someone who could whine better, and lost
Petrucci for someone out of tune. They would have cut off one of
Portnoy's arms and legs, and given him 1/4 of his kit to play on.
Myung would be missing fingers, and they'd find some way to make his
bass only playable below the 5th fret. Derek, well... as long as he
still dresses goofy, all they'll have to do is turn him down, and
make him lip sync. :)
Now I have a question for you, Serrousi. What genre is Dream
Theater trying to be in, if they're trying to sell out? What genre
could you fit this whole album in, that might qualify FII as a sell
out? I can't think of one. And to me, this sounds more DT than
ever. Of course, I'm the one who says this is a more "mature album"
which some of you just can't accept (the concept of Mature... because
it is ambiguous). I would never kiss Portnoy's ass, or any other DT
member's ass. I'll never go up to them bubbling over and saying "You
guys are like totally my gods. Can I be like you?" I don't feel
that my opinion of FII is influenced by any need to kiss their asses.
I hope that you never try to make music, Serrousi. Because you may
just get an opportunity to be questioned by someone as disrespectful
as yourself, and you WILL fail to yeild a polite response. We know
your personality from your many posts to this list. Go on burning
your bridges and closing your mind a little further.
- Madsman
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 13:23:35 -0400
From: Christian Morency <anakinsolo@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Charlie D. and --- MDND
Message-ID: <35533F96.5645D24C@geocities.com>
Hi,
On the subject of Charlie D. Yes I admit he doesn't have the best voice
out there... but sometimes it reminded me of Geddy Lee (bassist and
vocals of Rush). And maybe for people who have never listen to Rush,
this is difficult to appreciate this kind of vocals.
However, IMHO, I really think the songs on this album is great, much
better than on Falling Into Infinity (now this is my opinion). I don't
dislike FII, I just think the order of the songs aren't that great and
each time you hit a good song, the next one will probably be not as
good... so the tension is not rising, but always at the same level.
WDADU was a great musical CD and only to have the original YtseJam and
Light Fuse and Get Away, I would have kept it if I was the guy who said
he brought it back to the store... I really think you made a mistake !
Of course, it would be great if DT consider re-recording some parts of
WDAD and even the Majesty Demos... like Iced Earth have done for its
"Days In Purgatory" CDs.
---On the other subject, I just bought Myst=E8re de Notre Dame... WOW !!! A really good album !!! A must-have for any DT fan IMHO... remind me of Awake at times.
Best regards Chris
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:21:44 EDT From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Another Random Post Message-ID: <e842199a.35533f29@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-08 12:26:37 EDT, you write:
<< No, but Mike was right - you copped out on the last email when you didn't answer his questions. For the record, was it totally appropriate or necessary for you to post this private email conversation between you and him to this list? Maybe it's me, but you should have kept this private. - Nick >>
Agreed 1000 times over. Itchy, can something be done about this? Get him outta here.
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:12:59 -0400 From: ujonegr@psf220.lexis-nexis.com (Greg Jones) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Current warm-up band for DT? Message-ID: <199805081712.NAA18129@psf220.pclprod.meaddata.com>
Do you guys know who is currently opening up for DT? I'll be seeing them in Cincinatti next monday.
Greg
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:29:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Wesley H Foll <gs01whf@panther.Gsu.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: <yawn> How I got into DT... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980508132542.28596A-100000@panther.Gsu.EDU>
A fellow tape trader from the net sent me a tape with some DT, Savatage and various other bands on it to listen to. It had Take the Time, Pull Me Under and Metropolis on it. And that's it. 8->
To quote David Lee Roth, "I'm an easy man."
Just thought I'd share that priceless moment with you all. heheh
Pellaz and Adam Pye: Have fun at the PHILLY show without me! 8(
cheers,
Wes aka Beavis
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:32:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Wesley H Foll <gs01whf@panther.Gsu.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Why so much debate!?!? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980508132923.28596B-100000@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Hey all, I'm not flaming anyone here or anything, but just posing one simple question: Why so much debate on whether or not some forms of music are good?
Maybe I'm just a simpleton but hey, I just listen to whatever-the-fuck sounds good and I like. No apologies, no explanations on why I like it, and no changing my mind to what others feel I should like.
I'm not a satanist but I like what Antone LaVey (sp?) said, "Do what thou wilt, is the whole of the law."
Fuck yeah,
Wes
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 11:00:06 -0700 From: Lisa Marie <jessie@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ms. Coldfire Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980508110004.00c6d174@postoffice.pacbell.net>
At 09:58 AM 5/8/98 -0700, Carol Dellinger wrote: > >Remember...if you have manners and respect you have everything!
Some people have even more then that... some people have a BIRTHDAY TODAY!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY COLDFIRE! :o)
With love and light, "Jessie"
Lisa Marie jessie@dreamt.org http://www.dreamt.org/jessie _____________________________________ THOUGHTS - Spock's Beard Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard _____________________________________
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 14:07:43 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: respect Message-ID: <355349EF.86363D70@bdm.com>
coldfire wrote:
> George, you so eloquently reminded us of something we tend to forget > sometimes...the world does not revolve around us. Thanks! > Remember...if you have manners and respect you have everything!
DT puts out music for us to enjoy. They do deserve some respect from us. The band respects the fans so it should be the other way around also. Serousi showed a complete lack of respect.
SP (still playing):DT-The Darkest of Winters -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email : pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:05:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Another Random Post Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980508135824.29881A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Fri, 8 May 1998, KEZCOM wrote:
> > In a message dated 98-05-08 12:26:37 EDT, you write: > > << No, but Mike was right - you copped out on the last email when you didn't > answer his questions. > For the record, was it totally appropriate or necessary for you to post this > private email conversation between you and him to this list? Maybe it's me, > but you should have kept this private. > > - Nick >> > > Agreed 1000 times over. Itchy, can something be done about this? Get him > outta here. >
Whoohoo! Itchy is the new moderator! Isn't there a problem with this - I mean, won't he have like a total monopoly on Dream Theater Internet stuff - I mean, first, the widely plugged, (understandably) and thoroughly informative Under a Cyber Moon (I'd put the addy here but it's been posted so many times I've blocked it from my brain! :) and now moderator of the Ytsejam Mailing List. Sheesh, somenoe get the FTC over here quick. Next thing you know, he'll be selling boots of DT, as well as developing YtseCash for purchase of DT members' unmentionables as well over the Net........fear Itchy, for he is wiser than all and he will soon take over all that is Ytse. hmm.......say it, everyone .... "ytse".....now say "itchy". Coincidence? I think not.
By the way - Seroussi - you're a douche - for multiple reasons, including the whole posting of private conversations, arguing in an uninformed manner to a member of DT, basically quashing his integrity as a musician - hopefully you didn't mention the fact that you're a Ytsejammer, though it was probably understood.
May you get anally violated by a dried out corn cob.
hugs and kisses,
Al
===================================================================== b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 15:13:43 -0300 From: "Nilton da Silva Júnior" <a9415530@mbox.ccs.ufsc.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT in Brazil Message-ID: <35534B57.9DA7E0EB@mbox.ccs.ufsc.br>
Is there a possibility that DT plays in Brazil in 1998 ?
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Another Random Post Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980508141122.6013B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Fri, 8 May 1998, KEZCOM wrote:
> > In a message dated 98-05-08 12:26:37 EDT, you write: > > For the record, was it totally appropriate or necessary for you to post this > private email conversation between you and him to this list? Maybe it's me, > but you should have kept this private. > > - Nick >> > > Agreed 1000 times over. Itchy, can something be done about this? Get him > outta here. >
Whoohoo! Ithcy is the new moderator of Ytsejam! Congratz! Hey, wait a second - does anyone else see a problem with this. I mean, with this, he's sure to have a monopoly on Dream Theater Internet information. I mean, first you have the unendingly plugged (understandably) and informative Under a Cyber Moon (I would put the addy here, but I've seen it so many times, I've blocked it from memory), and now moderator of the Ytsejam mailing list? I dunno - someone better call the FTC really quick. I mean, the next thing you'll know he'll have a Most Frequent Poster webpage, know every Ytsejammers' birthday, start selling DT boots (by basically taking over all others), and then, to top it all off (shudder) - the introduction of YtseCash to be used by all to purchase DT members' unmentionables....Oh, fellow brethren (and sistren) of this list...BEWARE!, for Itchy is wiser and more cunning than us all....he is everything Ytse, and this is just one step closer to total Ytsedomination.....c'mon now, say it with me....."yt-se".....now say "it-chy"....coincidence? I think not.
BTW, Seroussi -- you're a douche. For many different reasons, that have been and will be exposed on this list.
May you be anally violated by a dried corn cob.
hugs and kisses,
Al
===================================================================== b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 14:27:31 -0400 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: bum Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980508142731.00964af0@maila.wm.edu>
>>I'm BEGGING, if ANYONE has ANY ticket that will go unused for tomorrow nights show at Irving Plaza, PLEASE mail me at EVO V@aol.com, I'll pay for the ticket. Andy D>>
They're out there....I gave up my claim to one, and saw another one offered. Bum. If I could've made it out of southern VA after I'd heard about all these tickets, I'd be there, at my first show too. Bum.
Hope you have a good one, and thanks to everyone who tried to help me out!!
Alex
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 14:52:09 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: is playing technical of emotional or both? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980508145209.007b0d80@pop3.afn.org>
Hmm. To argue that the technical/emotional question in performance is not an either/or question, one needs only two easy words: Steven Rothery.
-=- "I went outside to get a life, but everything was closed up tight."
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 12:00:39 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Is DT selling out? Message-ID: <199805081900.TAA10877@lainet1.lainet.com>
As a vocalist in a progressive rock band, I was hoping to shed a little light on the subject for the twit posting private email to the list...
You have three options as a musician that isn't signed to a record deal:
1) You can make music you know will make you money. You may or may not like this music. It doesn't matter to you as long as it makes you money.
2) You can make music you like and not really care about money. This is what most "artists" like to believe they're doing.
3) You can make music you like, and try and make money doing it. A realistic approach to it all, don't you think?
I'm a network engineer by trade. At nights, I'm a vocalist in a progressive rock band. Let's put a couple things into perspective here: 1) I have to have some sort of income in order to pay my rent, feed myself, and keep myself happy with assorted toys and what not. I do this by working 9-5 everyday. Do I get my hands greasy? Does it matter? I work and get my money. 2) I love to make music. However, since most of society has chosen to look the other way of the genre of music my band produces, chances are I'm going to have a hard time making money at it.
Now, if I could roll the two into one... If there was a way I could get people to -pay- for the music that -I love to make- am I selling out? If I had toured the world playing to less-than-5,000-people gigs, and then a larger band comes along and says, "Hey, you wanna open for us?" what kind of idiot do you think I'd be to say, "No. That'd be selling out." ? I'm a progressive rock musician. If I'd toured the world over playing tiny clubs and a group like Smashing Pumpkins came along and said, "Hey, wanna open shows for us?" do you really think I'd say no? Do you realize the exposure? Do you realize that I'd have people listening to me that would never have considered me otherwise? Is it selling out? No. It's selling records, which tell me I have money to make more of the music I love.
Get it through your head that Mike and the rest of the boys aren't selling out. They're insuring we hear more of them.
-sp00l
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