YTSEJAM Digest 3872
Today's Topics:
1) Re: What the FUCK is this world coming to?
by Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
2) LedZep ripoff
by "Mr. Totikus" <totikus@hotmail.com>
3) Re: General responses
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
4) Re: What the FUCK is this world coming to?
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3871
by Htdmhd <Htdmhd@aol.com>
6) Re: if you didn't go to the Philly DT show...
by Dona Kim <dmkim@fas.harvard.edu>
7) Surely you can't be Serioussi...
by Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
8) Floyd
by Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
9) re: Jokingggsi
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
10) The Philly show last night
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
11) Re: Saviour Machine
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
12) Re: Chicago show
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
13) snl
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
14) Zagnut
by someone@enteract.com
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:54:06 -0700
From: Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: What the FUCK is this world coming to?
Message-ID: <3555DBAE.749B@idt.net>
>
> 4) anyone, uh, save any recent performances for posterity? :)
I got the Irving Plaza show, which pretty much kicked total ass.
Watching Petrucci "yawn" through Hot For Teacher says it all... If
anyone has any other shows they want to trade, I'm up for it.
> 5) 5's gone. there is no 5. (name the movie, win a prize.)
That would be "Short Circuit". Now what do I win?!?!
-- John DiBella President/Xanadu Records http://idt.net/~rsch1/index.htmlDream Theater Tourdate Archive http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/grunge/49/DreamT.html
* In the stream of consciuosness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit, we're dying *
Dream Theater
* Be EXCELLENT to each other! *
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 07:01:44 PDT From: "Mr. Totikus" <totikus@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LedZep ripoff Message-ID: <19980510140144.8977.qmail@hotmail.com>
<<I know this is non-DT related, but it relates to the discussion about rap singers stealing work from real musicians. I am watching right now probably the WORST and most DISGRACEFUL performances of a great song by a rap singer. I am watching SNL and Puff Daddy is totally RUINING Kashmir by Led Zeppelin. I feel terribly sorry for the millions of kids around my age being exposed to this catastrophy of a song, instead of the great original.>> Well...I haven't heard this one yet, but I did hear a rap "remake" of Stairway to Heaven... do the original artists actually give their permission to the rappers to do this? Can't believe it... Totikus
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:53:06 -0400 From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: General responses Message-ID: <199805101453.KAA16590@ia.cs.wm.edu>
Seroussi graced my inbox with:
> Well, no matter how I respond to that you would say I'm an > asshole. But please, explain why it is so terrible to post > a private email conversation.
Dude, seriously. If you don't understand that, you don't deserve to have an e-mail account.
Imagine you had a serious phone conversation with somebody. It doesn't have to be embarrasing, just highly personal. Say you discussed your income, and how you feel about your boss. Now imagine hearing that conversation on the radio the next morning.
> I doubt that there's any > information on the email that neither MP nor me would > consider extremely private and it does involve the jam in > a way. Anyways, I apologize if I offended anyone by doing > that, it won't happen again.
You offended all of us, because you sullied one of the most basic forms of trust on the internet -- that private mail stays private.
> respect, etc. I tend not to treat people on the net the same as I > would if I were to talk to them face to face. Maybe I should change > that, but I can't undo what I have already done.
Yeah, you definitely need to get out of the house a little more before you start sending e-mail again. This isn't make-believe. Just because we show up as words on a screen, rather than pictures and sounds, doesn't mean we're not real people. Your computer isn't making this up. We exist. We're people. Respect all people the same way, regardless of the medium of communication.
> Anyways, don't > expect me to be ultimately polite to mike if you can't do the same.
That's a revoltingly illogical argument. If we all treat you like shit and kick your dog and feel up your sister, Mike still has done nothing but show you respect. Therefore, he deserves your respect back. Judge what each person deserves based on how each person treats you.
Abused children use that same line of reasoning to abuse their children. It's kinda frightening to see it used here.
> Ok, THIS IS NOT ME - I don't post on the internet to showcase my > personality, I discuss. I don't expect to make any friends, nor do
That's good. Don't sit by the phone.
> it because I enjoy it, I don't have the chance to do this in real life,
THIS IS REAL LIFE. For the benefit of everyone else on earth, I suggest that you stop using e-mail altogether until you understand that.
I bet you *still* don't understand that. -d
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:55:23 -0400 From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: What the FUCK is this world coming to? Message-ID: <199805101455.KAA16605@ia.cs.wm.edu>
Xanadu Records graced my inbox with:
> > 5) 5's gone. there is no 5. (name the movie, win a prize.) > > That would be "Short Circuit". Now what do I win?!?!
Sorry, guess again. :) (I should probably mention, out of fairness, that the above is a paraphrase. Replace the 5s with the name of a character, and *then* identify the movie.)
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:20:58 EDT From: Htdmhd <Htdmhd@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3871 Message-ID: <18ea1034.3555c5db@aol.com>
My DS encounters: First off, I saw them play at the now defunct Strand in Providence on Fix '96 mini tour. One of the best shows I've seen in general. Anyway, I got my first ever backstage pass from the club. I was hanging out after the show, and Derek was the first one out. There were about 5 or 6 girls with whom he was talking to. Needless to say, it took me about 15 minutes to get him to sign my ACOS cover. He did come off at first like everyone else has been saying. But then, we started talking about Kiss' "Revenge" tour in '92, on which he played, and that I found him to be much better than Gary Corbett. Also, we were taling about Eric Singer, who is his roomate. After a while, I got to meet the other guys, which was great. Mike even remembered me from one of his drum clinics a few weeks before. Fast forward to last Oct. They played at Lupo's here asa a warm up gig for the local radio station. About halfway into the 2nd band's set, who walks out but DS!! He had remembered me from 10 mos. earlier! This guy's got a great memory. Anyway, the show was great,as usual, and this time I met everyone again, except for JM. Oh, well. Anyway, that's my story. Later jammers.
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:51:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dona Kim <dmkim@fas.harvard.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: if you didn't go to the Philly DT show... Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980510112617.9682H-100000@login3.fas.harvard.edu>
Dios mio! That show was ABSOLUTELY phenomenal!!! I came all the way out from Boston and was not the least bit irritated with the discomfort of a cumulative 16 hours in a bus, b/c the show made the journey TOTALLY worth it. I LOVE DT's group dynamic. All the members had something unique to contribute to the show, both musically and in terms of presence. They all complement each other very very very well. Impressions...At first, I felt that Derek seemed like a pretty arrogant musician...But, as the show progressed, he was continually smiling at the audience and playing stage games with MP. Mike was super interactive with the fans and played an incredible drum solo. Woo hoo!! NP reincarnate...(though I realize the divine Peart is still kicking). :) James LaBrie is perhaps the best vocalist I have ever heard. Anna Lee was tremendous. JP played a SUPER cool guitar solo (I especially appreciated the classical allusion). He also presented himself as a very genuine person on stage. No arrogance. John Myung was perhaps the least pronounced among the band members, only because he seemed so shy. I don't think I saw him smile once during the entire show (despite the fact that I was yelling amusing Korean phrases at him). :) Nevertheless, his fellow band members made up for any lack of extroversion on Myung's part. And his bass playing was FLAWLESS. I am still in awe of their performance.
Just as a side remark. I've read the various comments about DT "selling out." I totally agree that they have a right to vary their musical style. That is what progressive rock is...the perpetual metamorphoses of music...the introduction of new instruments, the fusion and reconstitution of old genres...Nobody should think that b/c FII isn't quite as heavy as some of their past work that it is not legitimate.
Dona
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:05:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Surely you can't be Serioussi... Message-ID: <199805101605.MAA17305@fuzzfactor.com>
> > They have a right to change. They have a right to > > make money also. Music is their job and source of income. > [and the likes] > > I never said they're not allowed to do that. I just suggested > that they don't have to earn more money through music but get > another job than that, trying to make their music what they want > (and FII might be that, though it seems more commercial) without > considering sales of albums.
Suggested, my ass. You told Mike Portnoy to get another job to earn money because that would be the only way that his music could continue to make you happy. We may very well buy the records, but if we stop liking the music we'll just stop buying them. THAT is the end of the artist-fan relationship. DT is great and makes it stronger than that. <Thanks, guys.> When Mike Portnoy starts telling YOU how to do YOUR job, well, then you may have something worthwhile to say, but for now you're just mudslinging, antagonizing, whatever.
Should we tell Jimmy Page that if he doesn't stop playing for Puffy then we, the record-buying public, will be upset? <Actually, maybe we should!>
Do you know--do you have any CLUE--how much it means for a musician to make a living through music? Well, it means a great deal. I learned a long time ago that a musician who gets the most pleasure out of his art <regardless fo how much money it makes him> should always think of himself as a musician FIRST. If you work in sales during the day and gig at night, don't tell people that you're a salesman who has a band; tell people you're a musician who also works in sales. Does that make you a poseur? No, of course not. As long as you really do consider yourself a musician, your conscience is clear. You'll FEEL better, too.
If you're fortunate enough to make your living solely through your art you'll try to hang onto the means to do so, namely a contract. That's what DT is doing. Trying to make themselves, their bosses and the customers happy. Do any of us do any less in our respective jobs?
> This is the internet, where > does it say one is not allowed to have a person faced with > questions considering his method of making a living?
STOP saying that! It is obvious that choose to hide in the anonymity of the internet due to you other comments about how things said over the internet you wouldn't say in real life. I'm sure many of us here on the 'jam <like me> don't say anything over the email that we wouldn't say in real life.
What do you do for a living? are you happy with it? How do you know WE are happy with what you do for a living? If you don't care what we think about how you make YOUR living, then you have nothing to say to Mike Portnoy about how he makes his.
Steve Z
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:09:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Floyd Message-ID: <199805101609.MAA17322@fuzzfactor.com>
> >tries, I am not a nice guy when flamed. Ask some of the ytsevets about the > >f sharp incident. :) > > you stupid ass, it's not f sharp, it's F#. And you call yourself a > musician. :)
Don't you hate when you're trying to write a music paper and the word processor doesn't have the musical symbols loaded in and you can't get that little "b" for the flat sign so you have to write out -sharp, -flat, and -natural? I sure do.
> >Actually, I don't know what the point of this was. Wait, yes I do. The > >point is I just fuckin' HATE Pink floyd. > > Oh..oh... > That's TOO strong!
Oh, yeah!??!?!?!?!?!? Can't take it, hmmmm?
:)
Steve Z
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:20:33 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Jokingggsi Message-ID: <3555D3D1.21202353@ici.net>
> I do > it because I enjoy it, I don't have the chance to do this in real life, > because then my personality is more involved and I'm putting more of > myself on the line. This is different - this is the internet.
It is this mentality that makes the internet such a dangerous place. Indulge me for a minute, and consider someone else using a defense like that. Say, one of the denizens of AOL's chat pits. Say a 45-year old male pedophile logged in posing as a 13-year old girl in order to make contact with young boys. Let's say he gets caught, and in his defense, he says "I do this because I enjoy it. I don't have a chance to do this in real life. This is different - this is the internet."
I think you can see here why I, personally, don't buy that crap. Anyone who is so deluded as to believe that they can "be" whatever they want on the internet, and simply by the nature of the medium, it absolves them of any resposibility for the consequences; well....I'm sure you can finish that thought.
> Ok, THIS IS NOT ME
So what you're saying is that you are misrepresenting yourself; not being true to yourself; passing yourself off as something you're not. Hey! isn't that what you were all upset at Mike for doing with DT?
Pot/Kettle/Black
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:31:17 -0400 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Philly show last night Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980510123117.00aa0c54@postoffice.ptd.net>
THAT FUCKING RULED. I don't think I could have possibly asked for a better show. James's singing was flawless. Portnoy's drum solo during CIAW was absolutely mind-numbing. Petrucci's guitar solo was amazing, especially Flight of the Bumblebee and Paradigm Shift (during which MP came out and played). "Speak to Me" was a nice surprise. It sounds great live. Basically the set list was the same as Irving Plaza the night before -- "ACOS I&II", "JLMB", "BMS", "TTT"(w/Freebird), "LITS", "AL", "STM", "TOT", "CIAW", "Lie", "PS"(w/Have a Cigar), "PMU", Encore Medley "MetI, LtL, ACOS VII". (I may have screwed up the order there).
Disappointments: No "Voices", "Scarred", "New Millenium". Driving in Philly REALLY SUCKS. Couldn't stay afterwards and meet the band. Didn't meet any 'jammers. James was sporting a 'stache. :)
Good things: No "YNM". Someone behind me who wasn't ashamed to really get into the music thus making me not the only idiot in the back totally grooving to every song, singing, and banging my friggin' head to the heavy parts. :) All in all, my first DT concert was the best show I've ever been to, topping Pantera in August '96 and Metallica in Feb. '97.
Enough out of me anyway.
+=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-+ | Brian Larkin - ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net | | "I could sail by on the winds of silence, | | and maybe they won't notice . . . But this | | time, I think it'd be better if I swim" | | - John Petrucci | +=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-=~=-+
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:38:56 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Saviour Machine Message-ID: <199805101637.JAA20159@odin.ax.com>
> Just wondering, is anyone planning to go see Saviour Machine at > Cornerstone this year? I'm thinking of going... should be killer since > they come on at midnight.. .:) I will be there. I STRONGLY urge anyone else to go check them out, too. Last year's performances were simplay amazing, and this year looks to be even better.
Dale R. Newberry
P.S. For anyone going to the Chicago DT show this Wed., I'll probably be wearing a SM shirt, so look for me. drnewb@spiff.net
"By the time they had dimished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:50:09 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Chicago show Message-ID: <199805101648.JAA20238@odin.ax.com>
I was out of town for 4 days, but when I got back, my tickets for the Chicago show were waiting for me. WOO HOO!!! As long as I've been into DT and even been on the jam, this will be my first time actually seeing them. I am so amped for the show. It'll kick some ass.
Dale R. Newberry drnewb@spiff.net
"By the time they had dimished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:53:44 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: snl Message-ID: <01IWVAGR62D4001OLS@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 10-MAY-1998 12:44:54
The Diggity Man implored:
>2) why are any of you watching saturday night dead anyway? that show has >been among the worst trash on tv for the past 10 years. you should all be >watching quality programming like mst3k. :)
not fair, not fair! This was one of the funniest episodes I've seen! Celebrity Jeophardy is always funny, goat boy is always funny, and david duchovney smashing that guitar was hysterical. He does a great jeff goldblum. I had no idea he could be funny.
They only really started sucking around '92-'93 or so, when they just kept puking out the same stagnant sitcom-parody crap. But Lorne fired almost everyone, had farley killed and norm mcdonald kidnapped, and it's much better now. I am pretty sick of those cheerleading skits though. I say replace them with more joe pesci.
>5) 5's gone. there is no 5. (name the movie, win a prize.)
This is one of those things I *know* I should know, ah fuck it, I give up.
josh
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:07:16 +0000 From: someone@enteract.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Zagnut Message-ID: <199805101701.MAA19981@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: rpark@space-dye.com (Ryan Park) > Most opening bands are very "sloppy" and you can't hear a note of the > music. It just sounds like a bunch of noise. I felt Big Wreck was that > way
Maybe you saw em at a shitty club... Big Wreck was not at ALL sloppy when we saw em. I didn't dig the music too much, but there was no doubt that the guitarist had chops. He was a cross between Steve Morse and Bonnie Raitt or something. :) The music and the lyrics were kind of tired. They bored me.
> 9) finals suck! especially if they happen while dt's touring!
Wow. You're a dick. You don't even explain your reasons... you just say "This sucks," or "This Rules!" What can we POSSIBLY gain from a review like that.
> As for comparing FII and LTE, it is kind of silly i think.
My sentiment exactly. I really don't think any of this stuff sounds too much like DT. Maybe on Petrucci's improvised solos, where his "style" is the connecting factor. But for the most part, this sounds more like a Steve Morse record than a DT record.
> From: AL <al@isd.net> > Subject: Chicago show at the Vic!
> Has there been any pre-show Ytseplans set in concrete for the 13th?
Since we're all losers, we're gonna wait in front for the several hours we have, in hopes of catching the band and getting good seats. We're thinking about doing some hard core eating afterwards... and I realize that may be too late for some jammers... but if you have any other plans/ideas, just let me know.
> From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> > Subject: General responses
Why do you bother?
> Well, no matter how I respond to that you would say I'm an > asshole. But please, explain why it is so terrible to post > a private email conversation. I doubt that there's any > information on the email that neither MP nor me would > consider extremely private and it does involve the jam in > a way.
It's just not yours to decide. You know? I mean, if he wanted it to be a public exchange, he would have addressed it publicly. His statements were directed at YOU alone. And sometimes people will say something to a friend that they wouldn't want to say to a group of people, like "Hey, that Dr_Mosh is a real fruitbag!" It's okay to say, but it's not something your friend should pass on.
> I never said they're not allowed to do that. I just suggested > that they don't have to earn more money through music but get > another job than that, trying to make their music what they want > (and FII might be that, though it seems more commercial) without > considering sales of albums. This is the internet, where > does it say one is not allowed to have a person faced with > questions considering his method of making a living?
It's considered that in life, you do not have the right to question the rights of someone else to make a living exactly how they want to, so long as it doesn't break any laws. The pursuit of happiness. I am appalled that you can't just see how your simple question is completely rude and obnoxious. I teach guitar. If you seriously suggested that I should just flip burgers, because I'd have more hours, and with overtime I might make more money, I might just fly out there and beat your head in, or I might just ignore you as a real jag off. You make your living how you want. Mike Portnoy doesn't question you on that. So long as Portnoy isn't selling drugs or manufacturing kiddie porn, I think he's right in his career choice. And I still don't see how you think this is a sell out album. Do you think DT would release a disc they're not proud of?
> A question to everyone that flamed (I don't mean disagreed with) me: > Some of you pointed a lack of respect to Mike on my side, wouldn't > it be appropriate to practice what you preach and show some respect > for me too?
You lit the fire. You're the one who's gonna get burned.
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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