YTSEJAM Digest 3875
Today's Topics:
1) The old-ass ytsejam drinking game
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
2) Ytsethis and Ytsethat
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) Strunz and Monkey
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
4) DT at jones beach??
by "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com>
5) Re: Saviour Machine
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
6) Re: SM/Cornerstone/GC
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
7) Re: Strunz and Monkey
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
8) blind?
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com>
9) SF DT show
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
10) prog/mainstream
by EricD91011 <EricD91011@aol.com>
11) Re: Strunz and Monkey
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) Re: blind?
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
13) Re: blind?
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Re: New Address and Phone Number
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
15) Re: Derek in Madison
by Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com>
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:40:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The old-ass ytsejam drinking game
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980510213743.11415A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
If there are any newbies to the jam, you gotta go to dr. mosh's site,
don't have the url handy, but I am sure you will hear from him soon
enough, and read the rules for the ytsejam drinking game. And any vets,
you should go there and read it as well. Brings back lots of memories,
especially since I was mentioned twice in the damn thing. Hey, anybody
want to make the attempt to update it? I know a few things that have come
true that we never thought possible. For instance, MP posting to the jam,
I wonder if he's seen this yet. Technically, the game could use some
updating. BTW, we are all still in shock over Al sending Pat the tapes,
aren't we? What do you say, Mosh. Time to update the ytsedrinking game?
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980------------------------------
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:35:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ytsethis and Ytsethat Message-ID: <199805110235.VAA26384@enteract.com>
> From: Jon Parmet <jonp@wicked.stigmata.org>
You just systematically reduced this guy to a heap of quivering jelly. I thought I had a copyright on that. My lawyers will be in touch.
> From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
> I'm going HOME FOR THE SUMMER in a few days, and want to start stockpiling > my ytsejams there ... no really, I just don't feel like un-subbing and > re-subbing. Lazy ass me. Thanks!
So... instead of writing two sequential one line letters to the listserv, now you get to write one medium length letter to the jam, wait for a response that you probably won't get, and then you get to write a one line letter... or two if no one helped you. Lazy, or just not too quick? :)
> Subject: Re: LedZep ripoff
I personally don't mind it. The Stayin Alive rip actually sounds cool to me. The Sting one only sucks because the lyrics are LAME as hell, IMO. Haven't heard Kashmir (the PD version). I'm not a rap fan... but I don't mind this stuff, as long as he's giving credit where credit is due, and clearly PD is.
> From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> > > GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. I hate you bastards. I fucking hate you!!!! I begged. > I pleaded. I got on my knees for you. All I asked for is a ride.
None of us want you to play with your weenie in our cars, that's all. You think we don't know what causes blindness? Seriously now... please focus your hatred upon the jammers in your area. You're on the east coast, right? Then say "I hate you east coast jammers." I agree with you, that it IS a fucking sick ass disgrace that people couldn't put in the extra effort to help you hit the show... I am really shocked that no one decided to stand up and help you out. That would not happen in the Chicago area, nor do I believe for a second that it would happen in the Cali or Texas areas. It's a damn shame, and I really am disturbed that you were left out like that.
- Madsman
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:54:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Strunz and Monkey Message-ID: <199805110254.VAA01225@enteract.com>
> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
> That's it, you blind bastard! Let your speech synthesis chew on this > for a while!
LOL! I think I wasted more time than Damon did on this one. I sat there trying to figure out how the voice thing would pronounce all that!
> open (gosh I wish I had Ircle here) Anyway.. Is irc.dreamt.org EFNET? > UNDERNET??
Ytsenet. > Subject: Re: Saviour Machine
I'm going if someone wants to come with for the drive from Chicago. It's about 3 hours or so. Mosh may join for the car ride. :)
> I dont know about this. I think Puffy is open to any way he can make even > more money. He should start writing his own shit instead of biting of other > peoples music. Whats next a mix of Dream Theater and puffy??
I'm of the minority opinion that it sort of IS his own music. I mean, I bet at least half of you think of DT when you hear Perfect Strangers, and the other half of you are still thinking about Balky and Cousin Larry. I think QR when I hear Scarborough Fair. I think PD changes the lyrics every time and everything. I think "I'll be missing you" is lame, because he didn't change the lyrics enough to make sense, and because that song is about a stalker, not love or longing.
> From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
> Except perhaps for a few by Bafu back in the day, this is the coolest EOJ > ever.
I've been getting a lot of EoJ's. I figured out the secret. It's to post long letters instead of short letters. :) I guess there's something to be said for not being a concise writer!
> From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
> There's been all this talk recently about who are the true guitar gods. > I've known for years that they're Jorge Strunz and Ardeshir Farah. Talk > about speed? These guys may not be the fastest, but they're fast and it > sounds effortless. Their playing is also musical and well improvised.
Sort of the DiMeola/McLaughlin/DeLucia musical vein, with a bit more tribal influence. Not a big fan, but I dig em somewhat. > Strunz and Farah's music comes from Latin America and the Middle East, > the old world flamenco and the new world of jazz improvisation, > traditional classical guitars and electric bass. As Adrian Belew says,
It's more Flamenco guitar than classical. And I really hesitate to call it jazz. But it's certainly extremely talented and infectious music.
> This mp3 sample is in mono and could be a bit better quality, but still > this isn't bad. It's a good introduction to these musicians (Strunz-right > channel, Farah-left).
One of those special "Stereo Mono" MP3s? > 3. Peruvian Skies - prog Not really.
> 5. Burning my Soul - prog Not really at all.
> 9. Just Let Me Breathe - prog Borderline.
This is the problem inherent to classifying music. People develop these necessary characteristics to defend the music by, when in fact, the characteristics may not be the key. If you set up standards, and then something comes up that doesn't meet the standard, you have to admit it's not prog, even when you think it is. On the other hand, if you just say "this is Dream Theater, so it's prog" then you're sort of affirming the consequent. I classify music for the purpose of describing it to someone. Not so that I can say what I'll like or dislike. To me, the genre is meaningless... it's all about what the music does for me. This is why I stopped running a prog metal page... my interests go so far beyond prog metal, and I don't really like having to say something's prog or not... because sometimes there are borderlines, at which people argue, and it's such a complete waste of time to get into with people... > > 5) 5's gone. there is no 5. (name the movie, win a prize.) > > Uh ... there is only Zool?
It's any number of scifi movies. Just kick Merlo in the head a couple times for being so vague. :) - Madsman
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:46:30 -0400 From: "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT at jones beach?? Message-ID: <01bd7c87$00c854c0$LocalHost@default>
<<mpm_2112 wrote: Oh well, I'm probably gonna try and the them with ELP and Deep Purple (THAT should be an interesting show) at Jones Beach in August. >> did u say DT was coming to Jones Beach?? THERE"S HOPE FOR ME! let me know the details and where u heard abt this if anyone knows more. -Rob, bassicrob@geocities.com Visit my webpage for my latest NIN Desktop Theme, bass solo mp3's, and other useless info. http:\\www.geocities.com\SunsetStrip\Mezzanine\1566
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:07:00 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Saviour Machine Message-ID: <199805110305.UAA26265@odin.ax.com>
> Yeah, I'm there. I saw 'em play twice at last year's Cornerstone Fest. > Dale Newberry was there last year. You goin' again this year?
Damn straight I am.
Dale R. Newberry drnewb@spiff.net
"By the time they had dimished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:10:32 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: SM/Cornerstone/GC Message-ID: <199805110309.UAA26273@odin.ax.com>
> oh, Cornerstone is in Bushnell, IL, from July 1-5. SM plays on July 2nd at > midnight, and the Galactic Cowboys play on July 4th at midnight. Haha, fuckin' A! This is looking to be a good year. Now only if Klank was scheduled to play...
Anyone that might be going, let me know.
Dale R. Newberry drnewb@spiff.net
"By the time they had dimished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:09:59 -0400 From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Strunz and Monkey Message-ID: <199805110309.XAA20577@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> > That's it, you blind bastard! Let your speech synthesis chew on this > > for a while! > > LOL! I think I wasted more time than Damon did on this one. I > sat there trying to figure out how the voice thing would pronounce all > that!
Hey, Damon, can you record it and mail us a .wav or an .mp3 or something? :)
> > > 5) 5's gone. there is no 5. (name the movie, win a prize.) > > It's any number of scifi movies. Just kick Merlo in the head a > couple times for being so vague. :)
Nononononono. I told you, the word "5" doesn't appear anywhere in the actual quote. You have to replace all the "5"s with the name of a character from the movie. (Say it out loud, that might help.)
And it's not sci-fi. It's drama. -d
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:25:08 -0400 From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: blind? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980510231312.007d4710@mail.geocities.com>
>> hey, D. Why would anybody want to call your ass anyway? :) > >That's it, you blind bastard! Let your speech synthesis chew on this >for a while! <cut a load of unnececary bullcrap>
Well said, D! I am very very proud of you.. And it thought me a new dimention of the DT list.. Let's harass people! That sounds like fun. I am a volenteer, and I concider myself a worthy opponent to the "O great digital person" jsut too friggin bad we are so far apart..
OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: if we ever decide to arrange no hold barred fights, I want to pick the first fight with the digital hombre...
"In the blue corrrrnerrrr.. We have Haje Jan.. 6'4" tall, 180 lbs, 17 years old, with seven years experience in martial arts, versus some moron who thinks he is brave when he messes with people's disabilities"
Oh yea.. I missed something somewhere.. Why is this Dream Theater related?
Haje Jan
+---------------------+ | Haje Jan Kamps | +-------------------+---------------------+ | http://home.sol.no/~lrovers/haje/ | +-----------------------------------------+ |I'm through just getting by | |Countless times a friend has told me | |Watch out for the wave | |Now it seems the sea will be my grave | |And still you swim to save me | |Even though the water is much colder now | | | |Dream Theater: Don`t look past me | +-----------------------------------------+
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:32:20 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: SF DT show Message-ID: <000b01bd7c8d$74ffdc40$ac2746cf@micron.micron.net>
Forgive me if this has been answered already, but I'm way behind on jams all the sudden.
My brother and I are making the trip to SF for the Saturday concert. I need to know if and where the little ytsefest is taking place beforehand, and especially I need to know if there's a cheap motel anywhere in the area. Any other information that's prudent to the situation would also be appreciated. I look forward to meeting some of the bay area jammers. Private email please, as I'm not sure if I'll be caught up by Saturday.
woot
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:35:31 EDT From: EricD91011 <EricD91011@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: prog/mainstream Message-ID: <de205c11.35567204@aol.com>
I find "Peruvian Skies" and "Burning My Soul" very mainstream. To label those two as prog is a stretch. Granted there are some progressive elements (Derek's solo in BMS is far from mainstream) but those two tracks are pretty straightforward hard rock. I would consider Lie or The Mirror more progressive then those two.
-Eric
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:54:06 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Strunz and Monkey Message-ID: <35567656.584ECCD0@caribe.net>
Christopher Ptacek wrote:
> > > Sort of the DiMeola/McLaughlin/DeLucia musical vein, with a bit > more tribal influence. Not a big fan, but I dig em somewhat. > > > Strunz and Farah's music comes from Latin America and the Middle East, > > the old world flamenco and the new world of jazz improvisation, > > traditional classical guitars and electric bass. As Adrian Belew says, > > It's more Flamenco guitar than classical. And I really hesitate > to call it jazz. But it's certainly extremely talented and infectious > music. >
Id say its *very* latin jazz oriented...being brough up on latin jazz ( my dad's a big fan ) i like s&F a lot. Theyre blazing fast fingerstyle players.. and they always IMO sound interesting, as opossed to many flamenco guitarrist which IMO always their solos sound too similar. And the middle eastern flavor farah brings is very unique... now im gonna whip out my S&F live cd again!...
--
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:57:11 -0400 From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: blind? Message-ID: <199805110357.XAA20833@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> Well said, D! I am very very proud of you.. And it thought me a new > dimention of the DT list.. Let's harass people! That sounds like fun.
Wow, you're a stupid fuck, aren't you? Why do so many people assume that just because this is an Internet mailing list, none of us know each other personally? I consider myself lucky to have Damon as a personal friend. If I lived anywhere near him, I would have driven him to Irving Plaza, Birch Hill, and the Philly show. (As a matter of fact, even though I *don't* live anywhere near him, if I had driven up from VA to see the shows, I would have gone and gotten him. Fucking finals.) Damon and I have known each other for quite some time (apparently, a great deal longer than you've been on the list), and I know for a fact that he's cool with me busting on his sightlessness. If I weren't absolutely sure that it doesn't bother him, I wouldn't do it.
> a volenteer, and I concider myself a worthy opponent to the "O great > digital person" jsut too friggin bad we are so far apart..
Ooh. The chicks must love that macho facade.
> "In the blue corrrrnerrrr.. We have Haje Jan.. 6'4" tall, 180 lbs, 17 years > old, with seven years experience in martial arts, versus some moron who > thinks he is brave when he messes with people's disabilities"
I didn't mess with Damon's disability. He has overcome it in a manner that inspires me to fight my own battles. You, on the other hand, clearly need to get a grip on your own emotional disabilities.
> Oh yea.. I missed something somewhere.. Why is this Dream Theater related?
It isn't. Why are you perpetuating the thread?
Next time you're going to make a character judgment about someone based on one e-mail message taken out of context, think twice. A wiser man would have attempted to gather more evidence before launching an attack like that.
Who's the moron now?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:02:52 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: blind? Message-ID: <3556786C.E66FDBB3@caribe.net>
Haje Jan Kamps wrote:
> Well said, D! I am very very proud of you.. And it thought me a new > dimention of the DT list.. Let's harass people! That sounds like fun. I am > a volenteer, and I concider myself a worthy opponent to the "O great > digital person" jsut too friggin bad we are so far apart.. > > OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: if we ever decide to arrange no hold barred fights, > I want to pick the first fight with the digital hombre... > > "In the blue corrrrnerrrr.. We have Haje Jan.. 6'4" tall, 180 lbs, 17 years > old, with seven years experience in martial arts, versus some moron who > thinks he is brave when he messes with people's disabilities" > > Oh yea.. I missed something somewhere.. Why is this Dream Theater related? > > Haje Jan >
Ok..i dont know if youre serious or just being sarcastic..but hey.. flame me if im wrong but i think your "seven years of martial arts experience" have clouded your mind on helping you recognize when 2 people who know each other are joking between them... oh well maybe youre a 3rd party in their own little joke , in that case id be completely posting bullshit! Heh..nevermind.. i just spent 3 hours withough electricity...and it HAD to go out 10 min into X files!
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:06:35 EDT From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New Address and Phone Number Message-ID: <514aa671.3556794c@aol.com>
> Damon Fibraio graced my inbox with:
>> hey, D. Why would anybody want to call your ass anyway? :)
>That's it, you blind bastard! Let your speech synthesis chew on this >for a while!
>oooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm>mmmmmmm >ffffffffffffffffffffffffffhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhlllllllllllllllllllllll >ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp>ppppp >gggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii >chchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchflflflflflflflflflflflflflflfl >aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>xxxxx >uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuylpgwrtquxgrooovvv>vv
Oh my God, D-Man, that may be the funniest post I have ever seen here!!!!!!! No disrespect meant to you, Damon, but that was fucking hilarious!!! Damn, that made my weekend....
G'Nite..... Matt T.
PS: I saw "Deep Impact" this weekend. Check it out - it kicks ass!
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:24:18 -0500 From: Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com> To: "'YJ Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek in Madison Message-ID: <01BD7C6A.C6E7CEA0.mail@beyondthemirror.com>
AL <al@isd.net> wrote...
<<<I met Derek for the first time in Madison on... <<<day in question... he was very personable <<<to my friends and I. Were you acting like a dork?
Derek's tantrum was not aimed at me. I was adjusting lights when he was checking out his gear. I had hoped to have the chance to talk to him when he was done - but after he had gone ballistic over his monitor I chickened out. By the way, yesterday I talked with two other people who were there and they remembered the incident pretty much the same way I did.
Note: I'm not claiming that I'm not a dork, just that it wouldn't have had anything to do with Derek's behavior :-)
Josh Becker josh@beyondthemirror.com http://www.beyondthemirror.com
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