YTSEJAM digest 3884

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Date: Tue May 12 1998 - 11:31:12 EDT

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YTSEJAM Digest 3884

Today's Topics:

  1) i hate aol
by Madsag <Madsag@aol.com>
  2) Re: rap
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com>
  3) Petrucci in guitarist
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
  4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3883
by "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
  5) Cincy *SPOILERS*
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
  6) Live at the Marquee?
by Andreas Hult <andreas.hult@swipnet.se>
  7) re: Yste????jam or everybody else in sight
by "radmax" <radmax@ufigur8.out>
  8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3883
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
  9) b-day fan club
by EricD91011 <EricD91011@aol.com>
10) In Defense of Myself
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
11) Which one is Pink?
by "Rafaloff, Ryan " <Bimmered@mjet.com>
12) Re: earplugs
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
13) This is of no interest
by The Working Man <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
14) Re: Happy Birthday Lisa Marie !
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
15) Tales of Yesterday
by "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie>
16) Rik Emmit at Jaxx(No DTC)
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
17) Spock's Beard shipped.......radmax complained
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
18) DT show
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
19) Rudess
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
20) rap...
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:43:34 EDT
From: Madsag <Madsag@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: i hate aol
Message-ID: <a8732ef2.355827d7@aol.com>

if someone could fwd me jam # 3883 i would love you forever.
ok, at least for like a day or something.
aol ate it again.
i thought it finally stopped pulling that shit too.

steve case must be puff daddy's biggest fan or something
thanks a lot guys.

~melissa~
madsag@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:14:11 -0400
From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: rap
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980512071356.007db100@mail.geocities.com>

>Yeah, I could probably compose a rap song,
I agree on this one.. I could, and have made a rap song once.

>but I doubt I could compose a good rap song.
Then again... I have yet to HEAR a good rap song... :)

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:24:35 +0100 (BST)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Petrucci in guitarist
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.42-0512112435-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>

British jammers, the June edition of Guitarist has an interview with
Petrucci.

Graham

-- 
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                                         WWW :  http://www.apsoft.co.uk
Alternative Publishing Ltd               Tel :  0141 418 0881
30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ           Fax :  0141 418 0889
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:32:24 -0300
From: "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3883
Message-ID: <002e01bd7d88$e191e0a0$264431cc@imemnok.gnt.net>
>
>Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:45:15 +0100
>From: The Working Man <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
>To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Re: Matej and Anouk
>Message-ID: <98May12.094935gmt+0100.31363@gate.tranemo.se>
>
>
>> Leave the rap for rappers, enjoy prog if that`s what makes you happy. I
>> wish sometimes there was more musical tolerance among the
>> jammers. (I just bought Anouk`s CD and like it very
>> much..anyone have a problem with it?)
>
>Oh yeah, you bet we have! I have just begun to hate you - with all of my
heart and soul.
>
>Nah, I'm just kidding... or am I?
>
>Greets,
>
>--------------------------------
>
>//tHe WoRkInG mAn
>  aka Per Pettersson
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>|  It seems to me                   |
>|  I could live my life             |
>|  A lot better than I think I am.  |
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
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End of YTSEJAM Digest 3883
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I am sorry..but on this digest at least mine their was no ending....
I just needed some closure....I couldn't handle the suspense
anymore........It's like I am watching 'Friends' and I am like you know so
obsessed cuz Like you know it was one of them gnarly cliffhanger shows, ya
know,,,,and so I can't like you know deal with more than one suspenseful
item at a time.....I am like soooo sawryyy to waste this space but you know
like I had to like get some piece of mind and stuff ya know.......(snap
snap)...*that was bubblegum*.....well like anyways I am like totally out of
here and stuff...ooo RAD....
    Matt Halloran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hah...I got more squigglies than Eckie....and mine is much longer........ohh
and it is after my name, unlike that really cliche' squiggly before
thing.......:)
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:47:47 -0400
From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cincy *SPOILERS*
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980512014747.0079f3c0@mail.erinet.com>
mike, john, john, james, and derek "the rock star"- you all rule!!!!
====================================================================
well, no UaGM, ANM, Scarred, Ytsejam, Voices...like in Columbus in Oct...
but they added TTT, Lie, Paradigm Shift (from LTE), CiaW, LtL, ToT...
great show!!!!  they had a lot of teasers, like "Freebird" and "Hot for
Teacher," plus Pink Floyd and Metallica teasers during Peruvian Skies.
excellent.  derek's intro to LitS was longer, and cooler than last time.
also, the end of PMU, they sang "Pull My Finger."
also, i liked Portnoy's drum solo better this time, and he got the crowd
into it, really.  he brought a drum out to the crowd.
and the end/encore was a Metrop/LtL/ACOS medley...
Later,
Dan
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:51:53 +0200
From: Andreas Hult <andreas.hult@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Live at the Marquee?
Message-ID: <199805121151.NAA29688@mb06.swip.net>
If I got all the studio albums,
is it a wise decision to buy
Live at the Marquee?
(In other words: Does it show
DT from its best side?)
And what the hell is LTE?
Sincerly,
Andy
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:32:43 -0500
From: "radmax" <radmax@ufigur8.out>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Yste????jam or everybody else in sight
Message-ID: <002d01bd7daa$72700c20$51c694cd@default>
9) Re:  Saviour Machine
3) how puff daddy and jimmy page made me nauseous
2) Re: Buckshot LeFonque, Ben Folds
13) Vito is a putz
3) Rick Wakeman
4) A Mistake, Pink Floyd, Genesis
yada yada yada (sorry!)
How much of my drive space is going to be taken up by off subject ramblings
like the above?  I work 14 hour days, and barely have time to read through
the real e-mail.  Now when I get 6+ jams a day filled with useless
ramblings, endless taunts, arguments over 'how much better Floyd is', and
how MP/DT is a sellout just cause they want  to earn a decent living ('nuff
said to THAT 'serious' a-hole).... I ALMOST want to get off the jam.
Who gives a RATS ASS about SNL or  PUFF DADDY SHIT FOR BRAINS?  I DON'T!!!
This is SUPPOSED to be a newsletter for FANS of DT and SIMILAR bands to
voice views and news.  I'm NOT saying you all can't have differing taste and
appreciate other forms of music.  But I for one, and several others that I
know of, want THIS forum to stay true to what it is called YTSEJAM....NOT  '
Various things that everyone (who just happens to like DT) likes.'  Can we
PLEASE trim the activity down to PROG news and views.
This trash had gotten so thick in recent weeks (meaning I had quite even
reading the subject headings) that I didn't even know about the NY and
Philly shows until it was too late to get to them (ah well, so much for
seeing DT this tour... the life of a road warrior!!!)  If I don't float away
from all the rain here in the wilds of PA, maybe I'll be lucky and get to
see them sometime in the fall.
Meanwhile, I'ld LIKE to hear about Prog in general, opinions and things
technical and not-so-technical....but PLEASE no more 'just cause you're
blind does'nt mean you can't be expected to spell rite'? BULLSHIT!!!  Life
is TOO short to go around wasting EVERYBODIES TIME putting other people down
(a PERFECT person wouldn't HAVE to cast the first stone).  In other words
"GROW UP PEOPLE"  no matter how old you really are!
TEMPUT FUGITS.....CARPE DIEM  (TIME FLIES.....
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 05:45:38 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3883
Message-ID: <35584472.EC2ACF39@imap1.asu.edu>
Matt Halloran must have visited Mexico recently:
*that was bubblegum*.....well like anyways I am like totally out of
> here and stuff...ooo RAD....
> 
>     Matt Halloran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hah...I got more squigglies than Eckie....and mine is much longer........ohh
> and it is after my name, unlike that really cliche' squiggly before
> thing.......:)
Please, save our poor, young college students from a fate like Matt's. 
The Finals Season is upon us, and all we ask is for $5 a day to keep our
students at least grasping to the edges of sanity with their pinkies. 
Only you can make a difference.  Pick up the phone now.
~Eckie ain't had sleep in over an hunnnnnnnnnndred years
P.S.-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(Sorry
Damon, he challenged my squiggly-ness)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
P.P.S.-
Oh, like this isn't the first useless post you've read in the past two
weeks!
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:57:27 EDT
From: EricD91011 <EricD91011@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: b-day fan club
Message-ID: <541be85f.35584738@aol.com>
I received a package with a card and pin as well.  Pretty impressive and a
nice gesture for all the fans.
-Eric
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:02:37 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: In Defense of Myself
Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE524B7EA@HAMSXHA2>
I once wrote, 
>The difference is that Petrucci would probably have a drummer re-record
>the
>drums, a bassist re-record the bass, and a keyboardis re-record the >keys. 
>Then he'd have a producer and an engineer in the booth tweaking the >knobs.
>Puff gets one of those vocal-eliminators that radio stations use and >then
>sings over it. 
>
>Doing a cover is a tribute to a band, IMO. What Puff is doing is raping
>the song. 
Then, Matt Grginic replied, 
>I VERY much doubt that that`s the way PD does his business, if u know 
>this for a fact then say so, don`t just ASSUME and make PD look like
>some musical idiot who`s stealing other people`s stuff and putting his
>label on it. Also I thing you and a couple of other simmilar fellas here
>are in no position to judge objectively because you are obviously
>heavily under rap prejudice. Leave the rap for rappers, enjoy prog if
>that`s what makes you happy. I wish sometimes there was more musical
>tolerance among the jammers. (I just bought Anouk`s CD and like it very
>much..anyone have a problem with it?)
Maybe that's not the way PD does his business, and you are correct in
stating that I assumed, which was wrong of me. 
You then, however, blow your whole email to shit by ASSUMING that me 'and a
couple of other simmilar fellas here are in no position to judge
objectively.'
Who clued you in to what my musical preferences were? How do you know that I
don't like rap/hip-hop/R&B? For the record, Matt, I do like rap. Not all of
it, but then, I don't like all prog, but I don't think that makes me a bad
jammer. 
And as far as wishing there was more musical tolerance among the jammers:
I'll put money on it that you'd have to search long and hard to  find a more
musically tolerant or appreciative group out there on the Internet. I'm
constantly impressed with the level of appreciation that the people on this
list have for a wide variety of musical styles, and have broadened my
horizons with recommendations from them - people I have never met, but whose
judgement I trust. 
Nicholas Giannotti
JointSTARS Contracts
giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
"Save the whales - collect the whole set."
P.S. Damon - your 'you sighted fucks' email had me hysterical. I'm printing
it and mailing it to you to sign so I can put it on my wall. :) 
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Date: Tue, 12 May 98 09:11:38 EST5EDT
From: "Rafaloff, Ryan " <Bimmered@mjet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Which one is Pink?
Message-ID: <199805121312.GAA19277@odin.ax.com>
I"M WITH GRAHM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STOP catering to this guys crap...just stop.  I am still on a high from the Irving Plaza show, and I don't want to be brought into a dark Floyd funk with all of this.  A lot of Floyd tunes do that to me.  I've realized that most PF tunes tend to make me feel depressed.
But that band will always have a special place inside me.  
BUT Dream THeater always puts a smile on my face.  It gives me energy. 
Whatever, this whole message is getting weird.  Can we please save the PF talk for the PF lists.  Thanks very much.  I'm, sure I'm not alone on this one. 
Later All,
-Raf-
BTW, everyone should go get the LTE disc.  It's soooo cool.
This CD has shown me why J. Rudess could probably never fit into DT.
==================================
"Sometimes, the anguish we survive,
And the mysteries we nurture,
are the fabrics of our lives..."
Lines in the Sand - Dream Theater
==================================
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:15:16 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: earplugs
Message-ID: <3412862b.35584b65@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-11 23:54:23 EDT, you write:
<< Anyway, on the one thread that I have an opinion on, I would say to
 get a pair of Sonic II earplugs, to the person who was asking.  I got
 mine for like $12-$15 at a music store, and they do a really good job,
 filtering about evenly, as opposed tho the foam ones, which let in way
 too much bass, and little of anything else, IMO.   >>
These are the exact models that I wore at the Daytona's show, and it took 5
days to get my full hearing back.  They were highly recommended, but I found
them wholly inadequate.  Granted, the sound during the show was much better
than with the foam type, and there was none of the painful screeching that
comes with over-amplification in a small club, but the 5 days of postshow ear-
ringing just weren't worth it.  I'm going back to foam.
I sure wish that there were some decent size stages here in the D.C. area that
OFB could play.  I'm sick of missing all of the second-kit songs, and not
seeing the guys being able to move around a little.  Oh well, no further
complaints.  At least I got to see them(Sorry Damon).  
Last but not least, Bafu, you are the greatest!  I even had my wife(who is not
a 'Jammer) laughing hysterically at that 'orangutan boy' post.  What a great
story, better than pictures!  Thanks.
Kez
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:21:59 +0100
From: The Working Man <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
To: "'Multiple recipients of list'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: This is of no interest
Message-ID: <98May12.160532gmt+0100.31376@gate.tranemo.se>
I told you!
Testing the Swedish charachters � � � � � �
Did it work? If not, I hate MS Exchange.
--------------------------------
//tHe WoRkInG mAn
  aka Per Pettersson
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  It seems to me                   |
|  I could live my life             |
|  A lot better than I think I am.  |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:09:15 EDT
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Lisa Marie !
Message-ID: <1e76dd4d.3558580c@aol.com>
BARF
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:14:17 +0100
From: "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tales of Yesterday
Message-ID: <61F3B4EC9D23D11181A0006097AD1D7318285E@skylight.mvt.ie>
I've mentioned this one before but one of my favourite Magna Carta CDs
is "Tales of Yesterdays - Yes Tribute".  It's an ideal album to use as a
springboard into the whole Yes scene - I personally have difficulty with
the airy-fairy vocals but many of the reworkings of classic Yes songs
make the Yes' originals a lot more accessible (that's not a bad thing).
I have heard this mentioned a few times about this album so I'm not
alone.
Anyone interested in checking out Yes' music should stick this album
near the top of your shopping list.
Just a thought,
Rob.
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:13:25 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rik Emmit at Jaxx(No DTC)
Message-ID: <22330d9.35585908@aol.com>
I just checked the Jaxx calendar(www.jaxxroxx.com) and saw that former Triumph
guitarist Rik Emmitt will be appearing June 5th, as well as Savatage on June
19th.
Any other Triumph fans out there?  I will definitely be at these 2 shows, and
was wondering if any other D.C. area 'jammers would be interested in
attending.
BE THERE(or be someplace else),
Kez
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:24:49 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spock's Beard shipped.......radmax complained
Message-ID: <48b195bc.35585bb3@aol.com>
Hey all,
Just wanted to let you all know that I just got shipping confirmation from
Music Blvd. on my Spock's Beard 'The Kindness of Strangers'.  Ordered on April
30th, shipped on May 12th.  Not too shabby, and with a $15 discount to boot.
I can't wait to finally here what all the fuss is about.
Sorry for no DTC, radmax, but I like the list the way it is, and I think the
majority of 'jammers do, also.  If you don't, I will send the directions for
unsubscribing.
Ytse on Garth,
Kez
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:37:32 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT show
Message-ID: <35585EAC.46E94AA0@ameritech.net>
Hey guys, 
What's the best way to get autographs/pictures etc. after the show?
After the show, just leave and go around back?
How long after the show do the guys usually come out?
Thanks is advance,
- Joe DeAngelo
  jdeangelo@home.com
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:42:05 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rudess
Message-ID: <35585FBD.C9775B28@bdm.com>
I was looking in the Magna Carta catalog that came with my LTE and they
are still saying "Jordan Rudess (Dream Theater)". So he played one gig
or whatever, does that make him formerly of DT? I guess that means John
Arch is formerly of DT and Fates...
NP:Peter Gabriel-Secret World Live
-- 
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| Pat Daugherty Email : pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com                        |
|               Web   : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html   |
|===================================================================|
|          "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files           |
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:17:29 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: rap...
Message-ID: <35586809.25161E1@ameritech.net>
I said.....
>> I agree absolutely 100& with every word of Damon's post.  Rap is really
>> ridiculous bullshit.  I don't even consider it music, and I think the
>> fact that it's so popular speaks volumes on how ignorant the general
>> populous of the U.S. is.
Mr. Ptacek said....
>                Yeah.  Prog is ridiculous bullshit too.  All those dudes with all 
> that hair, screaming like little girls and playing guitar as fast as 
> they can.
  
At least they PLAY INSTRUMENTS, unlike "rap aritsts" *LOL*..... rap
artists....... heheheh.
> All those time signature changes just to make it 
> impossible to really groove on, and to make sure they show us who 
> knows more about how to write a hard riff.  
> Come on.  Anyone who puts down a complete genre of music as 
> bullshit is a fucking shithead.
I guess I'm a shithead then.......
Seriously though,  I admit I should have added a big ol' ---IMO--- after
my statements.
(and I AM entitled to my OWN opinion, aren't I?)
May I also explain why I HATE rap with such a passion?  Thanks.
I never cared about rap before (neither liked, nor hated), because I
didn't have to hear it ALL THE TIME.
Now, almost every person I work with listens to it (90%), my girlfriend
listens to it, and probably 60-70% of my friends!
The ONLY time I can ever listen to my own damn music (DT, Savatage, SG,
PF etc.) Is when I'm by myself!
If I go to a party I have to listen to rap!  In my own fucking car (if
I'm with my girlfriend) she bitches at me to "turn this fucking shit
off" (DT)!
I can't hold a decent conversation with anyone about rock music (much
less PROG).  They'd much rather chat about Puff Daddy, or Tupac (or
2pac, or however the hell he spells it), or the new Busta Rhymes CD!
Having to hear it all the time sucks I tell you!  That's why the 'jam is
so cool........ a chance to talk about music that's important to ME!
Okay, I'm done ranting.......
Thanks,
Joe DeAngelo
p.s.  sorry if I offended you Chris
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